Dominionists run for highest office in US

[BDBoop]

Perry's prayer rally was a gathering of the Christian fringe.

I'd hate to see what would happen if those people took over.

Did you watch the videos? BAD memories!!!!

 

[catzmeow]

ZOMG! The dominionists are coming! The dominionists are coming!!!!!

Should I put a lantern in the tower of Christ Church? Is it one if by land and two if by sea? Or, two if by land and one if by sea???

 

[Sky Dancer]

The dominionists are coming and boy are they pissed! Dominion theology is a heresy.


"Conspiracy theorizing about the Christian Right’s supposedly “secret” agenda involves highlighting the hate-mongering and bizarre ideas of a handful of Christian Right players while neglecting the broad popularity of dominion theology."

Sara Diamond, Dominion Theology: The Truth About the Christian Right’s Bid for Power

 

[Dr.Drock]

Most of the stuff these dominionists say is just rhetoric that makes their base happy, not really policy stuff.


You really think Gingrich gives a damn what the Bible says about divorce and adultery?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Most of the stuff these dominionists say is just rhetoric that makes their base happy, not really policy stuff.


You really think Gingrich gives a damn what the Bible says about divorce and adultery?

See......that's the problem, they preach a "do as I say, not as I do" policy.

They're a bunch of hypocrites.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Most of the stuff these dominionists say is just rhetoric that makes their base happy, not really policy stuff.


You really think Gingrich gives a damn what the Bible says about divorce and adultery?

See......that's the problem, they preach a "do as I say, not as I do" policy.

They're a bunch of hypocrites.

Being a lying hypocrit is priority #1 to be a politician in the U.S. government.

 

[Sky Dancer]

"From this posture we will be strengthened as a mighty warrior and equipped to encounter the plots of the adversary set against this generation. The Lord is a Warrior and we are to be clothed in His militant attributes as it relates to the enemy who dwells in heavenly places. . . .

There will be times and seasons to hide ourselves in Christ and other times to be aggressive and militant in our posture. The seasons that we isolate ourselves with Christ is not for dormancy but to wait upon Him and minister to Him to gain His insight and blueprint for victory. . . .

There will be a marked escalation in the angelic activity surrounding the Church. Furthermore, this activity will carry a militant characteristic as Michael and the warring angels of Heaven are released to establish the design of Heaven in the earth. As in the days of Israel, the giants of the adversary are occupying the land of promise and must be displaced in order to access our inheritance. . . .

To experience the governmental release related to the dominion associated with His Kingdom design, we must also allow the Holy Spirit to equip us as "overcomers" clothed in garments of righteousness."

Bob Jones, White Dove Ministeries

http://www.discernment-ministries.org/ChristianImperialism.htm

 

[del]

Seems to me America has been dominated by dominionism for a number of years...

Another Christian blowing it off. Did you go to Perry's prayer rally or watch all 6 1/2 hours of it on TV?

You can't have an intelligent conversation with the uninformed.

Word.

 

[BDBoop]

In the days leading up to the historic vote on health-care reform in the Senate, Apostle Lou Engle led the Family Research Council's "Prayercast” against health-care reform, a Webcast featuring Republican Senators Jim DeMint (S.C.) and Sam Brownback (Kans.), and Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.). Earlier in the year, Engle, who leads the group TheCall, prayed over Newt Gingrich at a Virginia event called Rediscovering God in America. In 2008, Engle, at an event he staged at San Diego's Qualcomm Stadium, advocated acts of Christian martyrdom to end abortion and same-sex marriage. This "apostle" claims LGBT people are possessed by demons. And Engle is not the only NAR apostle with political connections.

Presidential campaign watchers got their first taste of the New Apostolic Reformation when it was revealed that Sarah Palin, while mayor of Wasilla, had been prayed over in a laying-on-of-hands by Rev. Thomas Muthee of Kenya, director of the NAR East Africa Spiritual Warfare Network, in a ceremony designed to protect Palin from witches and demons. Muthee, it turns out, is famous in his native land for driving out of town a woman he deemed a witch, a charge that had her neighbors calling for her stoning.

That's who prayed over Sarah Palin?



Heads Up: Prayer Warriors and Sarah Palin Are Organizing Spiritual Warfare to Take Over America | News & Politics | AlterNet

 

[del]

In the days leading up to the historic vote on health-care reform in the Senate, Apostle Lou Engle led the Family Research Council's "Prayercast” against health-care reform, a Webcast featuring Republican Senators Jim DeMint (S.C.) and Sam Brownback (Kans.), and Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.). Earlier in the year, Engle, who leads the group TheCall, prayed over Newt Gingrich at a Virginia event called Rediscovering God in America. In 2008, Engle, at an event he staged at San Diego's Qualcomm Stadium, advocated acts of Christian martyrdom to end abortion and same-sex marriage. This "apostle" claims LGBT people are possessed by demons. And Engle is not the only NAR apostle with political connections.

Presidential campaign watchers got their first taste of the New Apostolic Reformation when it was revealed that Sarah Palin, while mayor of Wasilla, had been prayed over in a laying-on-of-hands by Rev. Thomas Muthee of Kenya, director of the NAR East Africa Spiritual Warfare Network, in a ceremony designed to protect Palin from witches and demons. Muthee, it turns out, is famous in his native land for driving out of town a woman he deemed a witch, a charge that had her neighbors calling for her stoning.

That's who prayed over Sarah Palin?



Heads Up: Prayer Warriors and Sarah Palin Are Organizing Spiritual Warfare to Take Over America | News & Politics | AlterNet

this would be huge news if it was still 2008






but it's not

 

[BDBoop]

News stops mattering because time has lapsed? Huh. Interesting concept.

Here's current.

Rick Perry

 

[tonystewart1]

I got it.

For all you people who fear the big bad Apostolics and Pentecostals just try to get legislation pushed through to make it illegal to be one. Good idea?



Not really since the highest law of the land would protect them just like it protects all people of all faiths in this country.

 

[Avatar4321]

Most of the stuff these dominionists say is just rhetoric that makes their base happy, not really policy stuff.


You really think Gingrich gives a damn what the Bible says about divorce and adultery?

See......that's the problem, they preach a "do as I say, not as I do" policy.

They're a bunch of hypocrites.

Being a lying hypocrit is priority #1 to be a politician in the U.S. government.

Unfortunately, I think the problem is further widespread than that. The corruption is among the people in general as well.

 

[Avatar4321]

Seems to me America has been dominated by dominionism for a number of years...

Another Christian blowing it off. Did you go to Perry's prayer rally or watch all 6 1/2 hours of it on TV?

You can't have an intelligent conversation with the uninformed.

Word.

The problem with conversation isn't that people are uninformed. In fact, most people are informed. They've just learned incorrect material.

But then, that's human nature. The key is to always be seeking a greater understanding of the truth.

I would add that the secondary problem is when people arrogantly presume that since someone isn't agreeing with everything they say they are "uninformed" or even worse when they presume others are simply stupid.

 

[freedombecki]

Mr Grouch,

It is YOU who are lying. I am not trying to stop Bachmann or Perry from running for POTUS. I am not trying to stop anyone from voting for them. I am merely pointing out the truth, that both these candidates have deep ties to dominionism.

I am showing that dominionism is a dangerous ideology for America. It puts separation of church and state at risk.

I am exercising my constitutional right to free speech. If you agree with dominionism and want to vote for Perry or Bachmann I certainly can't stop you.

I didn't make up this movement. I'm not lying about it.

Seems to me America has been dominated by dominionism for a number of years...

Another Christian blowing it off. Did you go to Perry's prayer rally or watch all 6 1/2 hours of it on TV?

That's not true at all skydancer. I am not blowing "it" off.

Noticing only one of General Washington's moments of prayer for his barefoot troops at Valley forge you call blowing off "Dominionism?" Madam, I challenge you to read Washington's presidential papers. He references his omnipotent Christian God in most every one of his Presidential letters and papers. In fact he has defended God in most every way Newby has on this USMB board thread in his official acts. God is everywhere in Washington's papers. He encouraged others to honor God in just about everything he said or did by merely speaking his mind about how he felt about God's presence in his life and in America's life.

Not one single candidate on the campaign trail has mentioned God as many times as Washington did in a week in office, and the nation did not fall apart but in fact, was strengthened by George Washington out of sheer respect for this gentle giant who prayed for and wept at the sight of his troops' perilous worn-out clothing and shoes.

I merely shared a picture of Washington doing what he did every day--in his rising, in his each and every meeting, in his planning, in every paper he executed in office, and he remembered God to every one who faced him. Out loud and with a reassuring polite manner.

The recent competitors for the U.S. Presidency aren't a quarter as outspoken on religion as our first several Presidents were.

In fact the Founders were so religious they wrote the First Amendment about free speech in regard to Religion, that we shall not direct ANY LAW whatsoever with re to the practice of religion, including the Christian religion and those who practice speaking about it.
As for your query, "Did you go to Perry's prayer rally or watch all 6 1/2 hours of it on TV?"

I didn't go to and didn't see one minute of Perry's prayer rally. Someone told me our Church's pastor went to the meeting, but he did not incorporate any of it (to my knowledge) into his sermon because he is trained in our own church's seminary, not someone else's, and he follows a disciplined and trained analysis of New as well as Old Testament lessons according to translations from the Greek and Aramaic writings.

The reason I don't watch television too much is because my ministry is in sewing. I sew quilts for the poor that look like I made them for the rich, because my bible says when we help those who cannot help themselves, we are helping God's people. I believe it, too. It does not leave me the luxury of time to watch events on television. I'm the slave of the poor, skydancer. I do it because I believe it is my best way to serve the God of who I believes loves even such a one as me.

I'm simply not critical of people who are open about their Christian faith. The First Amendment has only my admiration when it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech...etc."

I plan on supporting the First Amendment. People have the right to say what they think about their beliefs.

Not one of these candidates will be revoking any Gay rights. Not one. Yes, they have religious beliefs. No, they will not make religion into law. They cannot, firstly, because Congress makes the laws, and they cannot and would not establish a religious law according to the First Amendment out of respect for the founders who wrote the First Amendment clearly and in no uncertain terms.

Since I'm not blowing your deep worries off, I am wondering what purpose you have of accusing these candidates ahead of time of somehow endangering you by encouraging the passage of their religion. How would they force Congress to break the First Amendment?

I'm telling you, it ain't gonna happen. Do you see why this is so?

These people aren't dummies, they're Republican candidates for the highest office in the land. They're not going to erase Bill of Rights guarantees into some kind of a 3-ring religious circus. It wouldn't be fitting of them as persons voters entrust the defense of the Constitution. IOW: It ain't gonna happen.

We Republicans support the Bill of Rights. To the nines. You're completely safe.

I'm afraid I can't encourage you to not worry, because you're worried about somebody taking away what you feel was rightly granted to you. It won't be me supporting anyone who would do such a thing.

And there isn't one single candidate in any party who has the power to absolve the First Amendment of establishing a law about their religious beliefs from the Bill of Rights.

 

[freedombecki]

Seems to me America has been dominated by dominionism for a number of years...

Another Christian blowing it off. Did you go to Perry's prayer rally or watch all 6 1/2 hours of it on TV?

You can't have an intelligent conversation with the uninformed.

Word.

I used my afternoon to crochet a border for a soldier stocking. It takes a long time to do one. I interrupted the second one to come here to see if anyone understood the meaning of my posting George Washington's fervent prayer. I was horrified how poorly it was taken, when that wasn't my intention at all, to stir up angst and strife to people who are worried about safety issues. I wouldn't horrify one of my children, why on earth would I try to make any person here angry or say things about my alleged state of being uninformed or incapable of participating in intellectual matters of state.

I'm sorry my use of time today to encourage one of our nation's soldiers that people at home love and support him inconvenienced you and your worried friends. It was purely unintentional to hurt you or sky dancer, or any person who is worried that their rights will be impeded by any one of our Republican candidates. I assure you if they did, they'd be getting my two cents on the First Amendment if they even considered doing such a nefarious thing.

Have a lovely evening. It took me a couple of hours to address skydancer's misgivings, and my dry eye syndrome is flaring up, so I am retiring.

Regards,

becki

 

[daveman]

Maddow exposes Rick Perry's ties to the New Apostolic Reformation and Seven Mountains Dominionism | God Discussion

Did Maddow ever do an expose' on Obama's America-damning black theology church? Or was she too afraid of being called racist?

 

[daveman]

So. "Clowns (Mormons) to the left of me, Jokers (NAR) to the right" - who to vote for? Oh, I know.

Obama gets baby to stop crying - YouTube

Your little tin god?

 

[daveman]

ZOMG! The dominionists are coming! The dominionists are coming!!!!!

Should I put a lantern in the tower of Christ Church? Is it one if by land and two if by sea? Or, two if by land and one if by sea???

Yes, put a lantern in the church...and then burn it down. It's too dangerous.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Seems to me America has been dominated by dominionism for a number of years...

Another Christian blowing it off. Did you go to Perry's prayer rally or watch all 6 1/2 hours of it on TV?

That's not true at all skydancer. I am not blowing "it" off.

Noticing only one of General Washington's moments of prayer for his barefoot troops at Valley forge you call blowing off "Dominionism?" Madam, I challenge you to read Washington's presidential papers. He references his omnipotent Christian God in most every one of his Presidential letters and papers. In fact he has defended God in most every way Newby has on this USMB board thread in his official acts. God is everywhere in Washington's papers. He encouraged others to honor God in just about everything he said or did by merely speaking his mind about how he felt about God's presence in his life and in America's life.

Not one single candidate on the campaign trail has mentioned God as many times as Washington did in a week in office, and the nation did not fall apart but in fact, was strengthened by George Washington out of sheer respect for this gentle giant who prayed for and wept at the sight of his troops' perilous worn-out clothing and shoes.

I merely shared a picture of Washington doing what he did every day--in his rising, in his each and every meeting, in his planning, in every paper he executed in office, and he remembered God to every one who faced him. Out loud and with a reassuring polite manner.

The recent competitors for the U.S. Presidency aren't a quarter as outspoken on religion as our first several Presidents were.

In fact the Founders were so religious they wrote the First Amendment about free speech in regard to Religion, that we shall not direct ANY LAW whatsoever with re to the practice of religion, including the Christian religion and those who practice speaking about it.
As for your query, "Did you go to Perry's prayer rally or watch all 6 1/2 hours of it on TV?"

I didn't go to and didn't see one minute of Perry's prayer rally. Someone told me our Church's pastor went to the meeting, but he did not incorporate any of it (to my knowledge) into his sermon because he is trained in our own church's seminary, not someone else's, and he follows a disciplined and trained analysis of New as well as Old Testament lessons according to translations from the Greek and Aramaic writings.

The reason I don't watch television too much is because my ministry is in sewing. I sew quilts for the poor that look like I made them for the rich, because my bible says when we help those who cannot help themselves, we are helping God's people. I believe it, too. It does not leave me the luxury of time to watch events on television. I'm the slave of the poor, skydancer. I do it because I believe it is my best way to serve the God of who I believes loves even such a one as me.

I'm simply not critical of people who are open about their Christian faith. The First Amendment has only my admiration when it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech...etc."

I plan on supporting the First Amendment. People have the right to say what they think about their beliefs.

Not one of these candidates will be revoking any Gay rights. Not one. Yes, they have religious beliefs. No, they will not make religion into law. They cannot, firstly, because Congress makes the laws, and they cannot and would not establish a religious law according to the First Amendment out of respect for the founders who wrote the First Amendment clearly and in no uncertain terms.

Since I'm not blowing your deep worries off, I am wondering what purpose you have of accusing these candidates ahead of time of somehow endangering you by encouraging the passage of their religion. How would they force Congress to break the First Amendment?

I'm telling you, it ain't gonna happen. Do you see why this is so?

These people aren't dummies, they're Republican candidates for the highest office in the land. They're not going to erase Bill of Rights guarantees into some kind of a 3-ring religious circus. It wouldn't be fitting of them as persons voters entrust the defense of the Constitution. IOW: It ain't gonna happen.

We Republicans support the Bill of Rights. To the nines. You're completely safe.

I'm afraid I can't encourage you to not worry, because you're worried about somebody taking away what you feel was rightly granted to you. It won't be me supporting anyone who would do such a thing.

And there isn't one single candidate in any party who has the power to absolve the First Amendment of establishing a law about their religious beliefs from the Bill of Rights.

Two of these GOP candidates are dominionists, Perry and Bachmann. The GOP is now the party of religious extremism.

I want to keep separation of church and state. I do not want to live in a theocracy just because George Washington prayed. I hope all Presidents pray. That's not the point. The point is not making Christianity the official religion and the US a theocracy.

I do not want state sponsored organized Christian prayers in public school. I do not want religion taught in science class. I do not want to see Christian prayers plastered on every school and government building in the US.

I want to see all American citizens free to be atheists, theists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, LDS, JW etc etc etc.

Bachmann most certainly will revoke any gay rights. She wants to reverse DADT, and she wants to make sure that gay children and teenagers continue to be bullied in school, because she doesn't want gays to be considered "normal" or even citizens. She opposes marriage equality. That is CIVIL marriage. Marriage by a justice of the peace in a courthouse. It has nothing to do with her damn church.

Perry's whole prayer rally was funded by domionists. He is clueless about separation of church and state.

Both candidates have every right to run, I question their fitness to serve as POTUS. Having a dominionist President would be horrible for our country.

I'm happy for you, that you sew for the poor and that you consider that your ministry.

I don't agree with your assessment of the Founders. Christian reconstructionism is the re-writing of history to make it seem that the US has always been a "Christian nation". That is BS.

You live in Texas and don't watch TV. I don't watch TV either. Maybe you read newspapers. Do you have any idea what you Texans have done to the public school history curriculum? Completely rewritten it from a right wing perspective. Look into it.

Texas wants to reinstitute sodomy laws and start locking up gay people again. You execute more people in Texas than they do in many countries Perry is a strong supporter of this.

I am a second generation gay person. My father was gay. I offer my gay civil rights activism in memory of him. I know you don't share my concerns. That's ok. I have them nonetheless. I haven't walked in your shoes this lifetime and you haven't walked in mine.

Thank you for your post. I appreciate more than you can imagine your committment to separation of church and state.

Do you think atheists have a right to serve their country too?