Donald Trump is Going to Get a Journalist Killed

[basquebromance]

CNN's Stelter After Airing Clip of C-SPAN Caller Threatening to Shoot Him: 'I’m Not Asking for Sympathy' | Breitbart

 

[Crepitus]

What do you think of the shit Maxine Waters and other Democrats like her say?

Do you consider it equally dangerous?

No. First, she has not called for violence. Second, liberals by and large are not gun-toting conspiracy theorists.

 

[WillowTree]

More journalists get killed then kill people. They are getting killed and jailed in record numbers around the world. They hold government and power accountable, often at great personal risk. Dictators and authoritarians HATE independent media. Something to think about. We should be very concerned about these attacks on media.

2018 World Press Freedom Index | Reporters Without Borders

RSF Index 2018: Hatred of journalism threatens democracies

The 2018 World Press Freedom Index, compiled by Reporters Without Borders (RSF), reflects growing animosity towards journalists. Hostility towards the media, openly encouraged by political leaders, and the efforts of authoritarian regimes to export their vision of journalism pose a threat to democracies.

The climate of hatred is steadily more visible in the Index, which evaluates the level of press freedom in 180 countries each year. Hostility towards the media from political leaders is no longer limited to authoritarian countries such as Turkey (down two at 157th) and Egypt (161st), where “media-phobia” is now so pronounced that journalists are routinely accused of terrorism and all those who don’t offer loyalty are arbitrarily imprisoned.


More and more democratically-elected leaders no longer see the media as part of democracy’s essential underpinning, but as an adversary to which they openly display their aversion. The United States, the country of the First Amendment, has fallen again in the Index under Donald Trump, this time two places to 45th. A media-bashing enthusiast, Trump has referred to reporters “enemies of the people,” the term once used by Joseph Stalin.


The line separating verbal violence from physical violence is dissolving. In the Philippines (down six at 133rd), President Rodrigo Duterte not only constantly insults reporters but has also warned them that they “are not exempted from assassination.” In India (down two at 138th), hate speech targeting journalists is shared and amplified on social networks, often by troll armies in Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s pay. In each of these countries, at least four journalists were gunned down in cold blood in the space of a year.


Verbal violence from politicians against the media is also on the rise in Europe, although it is the region that respects press freedom most. In the Czech Republic (down 11 at 34th), President Milos Zeman turned up at a press conference with a fake Kalashnikov inscribed with the words “for journalists.” In Slovakia, (down 10 at 27th), then Prime Minister Robert Fico called journalists “filthy anti-Slovak prostitutes” and “idiotic hyenas.” A Slovak reporter, Ján Kuciak, was shot dead in his home in February 2018, just four months after another European journalist, Daphne Caruana Galizia, was killed by a targeted car-bombing in Malta (down 18 at 65th).


“The unleashing of hatred towards journalists is one of the worst threats to democracies,” RSF secretary-general Christophe Deloire said. “Political leaders who fuel loathing for reporters bear heavy responsibility because they undermine the concept of public debate based on facts instead of propaganda. To dispute the legitimacy of journalism today is to play with extremely dangerous political fire.” ​

Journalists are being targeted and killed.

But you aren’t concerned with the attacks on the President and other Republicans are you?

 

[Crepitus]

Trump and his followers fail to understand that there is a difference between precise criticism of a reporter and saying as a group the press is the enemy of the people. If there is a story that hurts Trump's considerable yet fragile ego, he could do one of two the nags. He could deal with that specific reporter, his/her employer concentrating no on that specific story. Or, alternatively, he could act as an adult would act, respect the dignity of the office of the president of the United States and move on.

But painting journalism with a broad brush and saying journalists start wars and are dangerous begs unwarranted attacks on journalists.

Journalism can be and deserves to be criticized. But criticizing journalism as a group is wholly irresponsible.

When 90% of the media is against you the media DESERVES a broad brush dude. You can count on the fingers of both hands the number of journalists who are still acting like journalists. All of the rest are deeply mired in their political goals. They are thus incredibly biased, which makes them no longer reporters, but propagandists.

If, as you contend 90% of media coverage is negative, you might have a problem President. 10% support him? Perhaps they are enablers.

When everyone tells you you are too drunk and should lay down a while, maybe you should listen.

No, based on the well documented cases of false reports coming from the MSM it is the media that is the problem. They aren't just making errors, they are making shit up. That is ethically bankrupt.

Lol @ "well documented cases".

You are falling for the fake news again.

 

[flacaltenn]

With the things he is saying to a base that is full of several conspiracy nutjobs, Trump is going to get a journalist killed, and then what? He is going to be sued for everything he owns, and he should be found guilty for it. MSNBC reporter Katy Tur reported this week how someone wrote her saying she should be raped and killed, followed by MAGA. We've already seen what Trump's supporters are capable of when one who believed Alex Jones Pizzagate shot up Comet Ping-Pong Pizza. It is the JOB of the news to hold the government and its official responsible for what they say and do. When Trump blatantly lies every couple of minutes, it is the media's job to point it out. The founders of the U.S. put the freedom of the press into the very first Amendment of the Constitution for a reason, it is fundamentally imperative to having a true democracy.

James Madison very clearly stated this when he wrote:

"A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."

A couple from Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Constitution:

"I am ... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents."

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe."

So self-proclaimed Constitutional Conservatives, why are you not defending the Constitution and the forethought of those who took part in creating it? Why are you still backing Trump who obviously isn't respecting the glue that put this country together? And before you say the press is lying and not reporting the truth, please educate yourself, as the Founders knew there would always be press that would explore the fringe of truth. They said that ALL press must still be protected by the Constitution, because once you start taking away the freedom of the press from some you feel is being untruthful, it becomes subjective and the freedom of press as a whole will suddenly be at risk.

In large part -- no Founding Father watching the political sewage that passes for journalism today would agree with you using their quotes. In the early days of the Republic, the press dug for nasty dirt. It was usually true and EVERYONE agreed the nasty acts were bad.

Those "journalists" complaining about the heat they pour gas on everyday need to check themselves. Mostly, their organizations are now "political advocacy groups" and should be subject to the rules for such advocacy. THEY have already gotten people shot and threatened and nearly wiped out the GOP softball team.

If THEY want to create a "war zone" in America -- they better buckle up the flak jackets. Because they are not "innocent principled bystanders"...

 

[JWBooth]

Trump is going to get a journalist killed,

Looking for a downside and not finding one.

 

[Crepitus]

More journalists get killed then kill people. They are getting killed and jailed in record numbers around the world. They hold government and power accountable, often at great personal risk. Dictators and authoritarians HATE independent media. Something to think about. We should be very concerned about these attacks on media.

2018 World Press Freedom Index | Reporters Without Borders

RSF Index 2018: Hatred of journalism threatens democracies

The 2018 World Press Freedom Index, compiled by Reporters Without Borders (RSF), reflects growing animosity towards journalists. Hostility towards the media, openly encouraged by political leaders, and the efforts of authoritarian regimes to export their vision of journalism pose a threat to democracies.

The climate of hatred is steadily more visible in the Index, which evaluates the level of press freedom in 180 countries each year. Hostility towards the media from political leaders is no longer limited to authoritarian countries such as Turkey (down two at 157th) and Egypt (161st), where “media-phobia” is now so pronounced that journalists are routinely accused of terrorism and all those who don’t offer loyalty are arbitrarily imprisoned.


More and more democratically-elected leaders no longer see the media as part of democracy’s essential underpinning, but as an adversary to which they openly display their aversion. The United States, the country of the First Amendment, has fallen again in the Index under Donald Trump, this time two places to 45th. A media-bashing enthusiast, Trump has referred to reporters “enemies of the people,” the term once used by Joseph Stalin.


The line separating verbal violence from physical violence is dissolving. In the Philippines (down six at 133rd), President Rodrigo Duterte not only constantly insults reporters but has also warned them that they “are not exempted from assassination.” In India (down two at 138th), hate speech targeting journalists is shared and amplified on social networks, often by troll armies in Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s pay. In each of these countries, at least four journalists were gunned down in cold blood in the space of a year.


Verbal violence from politicians against the media is also on the rise in Europe, although it is the region that respects press freedom most. In the Czech Republic (down 11 at 34th), President Milos Zeman turned up at a press conference with a fake Kalashnikov inscribed with the words “for journalists.” In Slovakia, (down 10 at 27th), then Prime Minister Robert Fico called journalists “filthy anti-Slovak prostitutes” and “idiotic hyenas.” A Slovak reporter, Ján Kuciak, was shot dead in his home in February 2018, just four months after another European journalist, Daphne Caruana Galizia, was killed by a targeted car-bombing in Malta (down 18 at 65th).


“The unleashing of hatred towards journalists is one of the worst threats to democracies,” RSF secretary-general Christophe Deloire said. “Political leaders who fuel loathing for reporters bear heavy responsibility because they undermine the concept of public debate based on facts instead of propaganda. To dispute the legitimacy of journalism today is to play with extremely dangerous political fire.” ​

Journalists are being targeted and killed.

Show us all the American Reporters getting killed by Trump Rhetoric............hmmm.

If the article is true then you should be able to show the dead..........waiting..........

Nice BS piece.........comparing him to Stalin........how typical.

Lol, you didn't even read it.

 

[Preacher]

With the things he is saying to a base that is full of several conspiracy nutjobs, Trump is going to get a journalist killed, and then what? He is going to be sued for everything he owns, and he should be found guilty for it. MSNBC reporter Katy Tur reported this week how someone wrote her saying she should be raped and killed, followed by MAGA. We've already seen what Trump's supporters are capable of when one who believed Alex Jones Pizzagate shot up Comet Ping-Pong Pizza. It is the JOB of the news to hold the government and its official responsible for what they say and do. When Trump blatantly lies every couple of minutes, it is the media's job to point it out. The founders of the U.S. put the freedom of the press into the very first Amendment of the Constitution for a reason, it is fundamentally imperative to having a true democracy.

James Madison very clearly stated this when he wrote:

"A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."

A couple from Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Constitution:

"I am ... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents."

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe."

So self-proclaimed Constitutional Conservatives, why are you not defending the Constitution and the forethought of those who took part in creating it? Why are you still backing Trump who obviously isn't respecting the glue that put this country together? And before you say the press is lying and not reporting the truth, please educate yourself, as the Founders knew there would always be press that would explore the fringe of truth. They said that ALL press must still be protected by the Constitution, because once you start taking away the freedom of the press from some you feel is being untruthful, it becomes subjective and the freedom of press as a whole will suddenly be at risk.

and then what?

THEN maybe they will learn to REPORT the NEWS not try and throw THEIR spin on it to trash an entire presidency and the people that support him....they have brought it on themselves..they can change anytime they please. THEIR rhetoric has almost gotten a fucking congressman murdered by a nutjob so I don't truly give a shit if some media asshole gets murdered...

 

[EvilCat Breath]

We should have an independent press and protect it. We just don't have an independent press. The press is the propaganda arm of the DNC.

 

[Coyote]

With the things he is saying to a base that is full of several conspiracy nutjobs, Trump is going to get a journalist killed, and then what? He is going to be sued for everything he owns, and he should be found guilty for it. MSNBC reporter Katy Tur reported this week how someone wrote her saying she should be raped and killed, followed by MAGA. We've already seen what Trump's supporters are capable of when one who believed Alex Jones Pizzagate shot up Comet Ping-Pong Pizza. It is the JOB of the news to hold the government and its official responsible for what they say and do. When Trump blatantly lies every couple of minutes, it is the media's job to point it out. The founders of the U.S. put the freedom of the press into the very first Amendment of the Constitution for a reason, it is fundamentally imperative to having a true democracy.

James Madison very clearly stated this when he wrote:

"A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."

A couple from Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Constitution:

"I am ... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents."

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe."

So self-proclaimed Constitutional Conservatives, why are you not defending the Constitution and the forethought of those who took part in creating it? Why are you still backing Trump who obviously isn't respecting the glue that put this country together? And before you say the press is lying and not reporting the truth, please educate yourself, as the Founders knew there would always be press that would explore the fringe of truth. They said that ALL press must still be protected by the Constitution, because once you start taking away the freedom of the press from some you feel is being untruthful, it becomes subjective and the freedom of press as a whole will suddenly be at risk.

In large part -- no Founding Father watching the political sewage that passes for journalism today would agree with you using their quotes. In the early days of the Republic, the press dug for nasty dirt. It was usually true and EVERYONE agreed the nasty acts were bad.

Those "journalists" complaining about the heat they pour gas on everyday need to check themselves. Mostly, their organizations are now "political advocacy groups" and should be subject to the rules for such advocacy. THEY have already gotten people shot and threatened and nearly wiped out the GOP softball team.

If THEY want to create a "war zone" in America -- they better buckle up the flak jackets. Because they are not "innocent principled bystanders"...

Really now? Journalists are to blame for that? Can we then blame Trump for the rise of violence against journalists? Don't you think you need a bit more "cause and effect" here?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

With the things he is saying to a base that is full of several conspiracy nutjobs, Trump is going to get a journalist killed, and then what? He is going to be sued for everything he owns, and he should be found guilty for it. MSNBC reporter Katy Tur reported this week how someone wrote her saying she should be raped and killed, followed by MAGA. We've already seen what Trump's supporters are capable of when one who believed Alex Jones Pizzagate shot up Comet Ping-Pong Pizza. It is the JOB of the news to hold the government and its official responsible for what they say and do. When Trump blatantly lies every couple of minutes, it is the media's job to point it out. The founders of the U.S. put the freedom of the press into the very first Amendment of the Constitution for a reason, it is fundamentally imperative to having a true democracy.

James Madison very clearly stated this when he wrote:

"A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."

A couple from Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Constitution:

"I am ... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents."

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe."

So self-proclaimed Constitutional Conservatives, why are you not defending the Constitution and the forethought of those who took part in creating it? Why are you still backing Trump who obviously isn't respecting the glue that put this country together? And before you say the press is lying and not reporting the truth, please educate yourself, as the Founders knew there would always be press that would explore the fringe of truth. They said that ALL press must still be protected by the Constitution, because once you start taking away the freedom of the press from some you feel is being untruthful, it becomes subjective and the freedom of press as a whole will suddenly be at risk.

In large part -- no Founding Father watching the political sewage that passes for journalism today would agree with you using their quotes. In the early days of the Republic, the press dug for nasty dirt. It was usually true and EVERYONE agreed the nasty acts were bad.

Those "journalists" complaining about the heat they pour gas on everyday need to check themselves. Mostly, their organizations are now "political advocacy groups" and should be subject to the rules for such advocacy. THEY have already gotten people shot and threatened and nearly wiped out the GOP softball team.

If THEY want to create a "war zone" in America -- they better buckle up the flak jackets. Because they are not "innocent principled bystanders"...

Really now? Journalists are to blame for that? Can we then blame Trump for the rise of violence against journalists? Don't you think you need a bit more "cause and effect" here?

NOT ONCE have you complained about the RHETORIC of hate and violence coming from the left about and too Trump, hypocrite much?

 

[Crepitus]

With the things he is saying to a base that is full of several conspiracy nutjobs, Trump is going to get a journalist killed, and then what? He is going to be sued for everything he owns, and he should be found guilty for it. MSNBC reporter Katy Tur reported this week how someone wrote her saying she should be raped and killed, followed by MAGA. We've already seen what Trump's supporters are capable of when one who believed Alex Jones Pizzagate shot up Comet Ping-Pong Pizza. It is the JOB of the news to hold the government and its official responsible for what they say and do. When Trump blatantly lies every couple of minutes, it is the media's job to point it out. The founders of the U.S. put the freedom of the press into the very first Amendment of the Constitution for a reason, it is fundamentally imperative to having a true democracy.

James Madison very clearly stated this when he wrote:

"A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."

A couple from Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Constitution:

"I am ... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents."

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe."

So self-proclaimed Constitutional Conservatives, why are you not defending the Constitution and the forethought of those who took part in creating it? Why are you still backing Trump who obviously isn't respecting the glue that put this country together? And before you say the press is lying and not reporting the truth, please educate yourself, as the Founders knew there would always be press that would explore the fringe of truth. They said that ALL press must still be protected by the Constitution, because once you start taking away the freedom of the press from some you feel is being untruthful, it becomes subjective and the freedom of press as a whole will suddenly be at risk.

In large part -- no Founding Father watching the political sewage that passes for journalism today would agree with you using their quotes. In the early days of the Republic, the press dug for nasty dirt. It was usually true and EVERYONE agreed the nasty acts were bad.

Those "journalists" complaining about the heat they pour gas on everyday need to check themselves. Mostly, their organizations are now "political advocacy groups" and should be subject to the rules for such advocacy. THEY have already gotten people shot and threatened and nearly wiped out the GOP softball team.

If THEY want to create a "war zone" in America -- they better buckle up the flak jackets. Because they are not "innocent principled bystanders"...

You don't know.much about historic journalism do you?

The stuff going on today is positively tame comparatively.

 

[Coyote]

By the way...there was no magical period where journalists dug for dirt and it was mostly true - ever read the history of yellow journalism? It's pretty interesting.

Yellow Journalism: The “Fake News” of the 19th Century

The journalistic standards we take for granted are a relatively modern invention. But regardless - there are many good journalists trying to expose really bad things, or just keep us informed. And that includes what Trump Inc. are doing.

 

[Coyote]

With the things he is saying to a base that is full of several conspiracy nutjobs, Trump is going to get a journalist killed, and then what? He is going to be sued for everything he owns, and he should be found guilty for it. MSNBC reporter Katy Tur reported this week how someone wrote her saying she should be raped and killed, followed by MAGA. We've already seen what Trump's supporters are capable of when one who believed Alex Jones Pizzagate shot up Comet Ping-Pong Pizza. It is the JOB of the news to hold the government and its official responsible for what they say and do. When Trump blatantly lies every couple of minutes, it is the media's job to point it out. The founders of the U.S. put the freedom of the press into the very first Amendment of the Constitution for a reason, it is fundamentally imperative to having a true democracy.

James Madison very clearly stated this when he wrote:

"A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."

A couple from Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Constitution:

"I am ... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents."

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe."

So self-proclaimed Constitutional Conservatives, why are you not defending the Constitution and the forethought of those who took part in creating it? Why are you still backing Trump who obviously isn't respecting the glue that put this country together? And before you say the press is lying and not reporting the truth, please educate yourself, as the Founders knew there would always be press that would explore the fringe of truth. They said that ALL press must still be protected by the Constitution, because once you start taking away the freedom of the press from some you feel is being untruthful, it becomes subjective and the freedom of press as a whole will suddenly be at risk.

In large part -- no Founding Father watching the political sewage that passes for journalism today would agree with you using their quotes. In the early days of the Republic, the press dug for nasty dirt. It was usually true and EVERYONE agreed the nasty acts were bad.

Those "journalists" complaining about the heat they pour gas on everyday need to check themselves. Mostly, their organizations are now "political advocacy groups" and should be subject to the rules for such advocacy. THEY have already gotten people shot and threatened and nearly wiped out the GOP softball team.

If THEY want to create a "war zone" in America -- they better buckle up the flak jackets. Because they are not "innocent principled bystanders"...

Really now? Journalists are to blame for that? Can we then blame Trump for the rise of violence against journalists? Don't you think you need a bit more "cause and effect" here?

NOT ONCE have you complained about the RHETORIC of hate and violence coming from the left about and too Trump, hypocrite much?

Remind me...when did you complain about the rhetoric of hate and violence coming from the right?

Oh...right. Never

 

[JBond]

With the things he is saying to a base that is full of several conspiracy nutjobs, Trump is going to get a journalist killed, and then what? He is going to be sued for everything he owns, and he should be found guilty for it. MSNBC reporter Katy Tur reported this week how someone wrote her saying she should be raped and killed, followed by MAGA. We've already seen what Trump's supporters are capable of when one who believed Alex Jones Pizzagate shot up Comet Ping-Pong Pizza. It is the JOB of the news to hold the government and its official responsible for what they say and do. When Trump blatantly lies every couple of minutes, it is the media's job to point it out. The founders of the U.S. put the freedom of the press into the very first Amendment of the Constitution for a reason, it is fundamentally imperative to having a true democracy.

James Madison very clearly stated this when he wrote:

"A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."

A couple from Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Constitution:

"I am ... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents."

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe."

So self-proclaimed Constitutional Conservatives, why are you not defending the Constitution and the forethought of those who took part in creating it? Why are you still backing Trump who obviously isn't respecting the glue that put this country together? And before you say the press is lying and not reporting the truth, please educate yourself, as the Founders knew there would always be press that would explore the fringe of truth. They said that ALL press must still be protected by the Constitution, because once you start taking away the freedom of the press from some you feel is being untruthful, it becomes subjective and the freedom of press as a whole will suddenly be at risk.

When a Bernie Sanders supporter attempted to assassinate Republicans, the media were quick to disassociate a politician from his radical supporters

 

[RetiredGySgt]

By the way...there was no magical period where journalists dug for dirt and it was mostly true - ever read the history of yellow journalism? It's pretty interesting.

Yellow Journalism: The “Fake News” of the 19th Century

The journalistic standards we take for granted are a relatively modern invention. But regardless - there are many good journalists trying to expose really bad things, or just keep us informed. And that includes what Trump Inc. are doing.

I repeat name once you called out any of the democrats calling for violence and hate against Trump and company?

 

[Maxdeath]

When reporters are in such a hurry that they do not check sources, check spelling, check grammar then they need to slow down and look at their work. When they spin headlines for the biggest impact with little to no regard for the truth, they may want to look at their work. When they run a story on the front page or at the top of every half hour then bury the retraction on a short, quick second in the middle of the night or on the page under help wanted, they might want to look at their work. When you refuse to cover news that might reflect well on the president or put it with something that may detract from that news, they might want to look at their work. When they spend hours and acres of column comparing the president to Hitler, Stalin and others they may want to look at their work. When they applaud someone being fired for a tweet yet hire or defend someone for the same type of tweet they may want to look at their work.

The left always points out that this or that person on the right did something wrong yet defends or laughs off when someone points out the left.

 

[Coyote]

By the way...there was no magical period where journalists dug for dirt and it was mostly true - ever read the history of yellow journalism? It's pretty interesting.

Yellow Journalism: The “Fake News” of the 19th Century

The journalistic standards we take for granted are a relatively modern invention. But regardless - there are many good journalists trying to expose really bad things, or just keep us informed. And that includes what Trump Inc. are doing.

I repeat name once you called out any of the democrats calling for violence and hate against Trump and company?

Who called for violence? Maxine Waters came closest, and though inappropriate, was not violence. That was called out and roundly condemned.

I'll wait to see when you've ever called out your side or your orange Messiah.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

With the things he is saying to a base that is full of several conspiracy nutjobs, Trump is going to get a journalist killed, and then what? He is going to be sued for everything he owns, and he should be found guilty for it. MSNBC reporter Katy Tur reported this week how someone wrote her saying she should be raped and killed, followed by MAGA. We've already seen what Trump's supporters are capable of when one who believed Alex Jones Pizzagate shot up Comet Ping-Pong Pizza. It is the JOB of the news to hold the government and its official responsible for what they say and do. When Trump blatantly lies every couple of minutes, it is the media's job to point it out. The founders of the U.S. put the freedom of the press into the very first Amendment of the Constitution for a reason, it is fundamentally imperative to having a true democracy.

James Madison very clearly stated this when he wrote:

"A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."

A couple from Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Constitution:

"I am ... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents."

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe."

So self-proclaimed Constitutional Conservatives, why are you not defending the Constitution and the forethought of those who took part in creating it? Why are you still backing Trump who obviously isn't respecting the glue that put this country together? And before you say the press is lying and not reporting the truth, please educate yourself, as the Founders knew there would always be press that would explore the fringe of truth. They said that ALL press must still be protected by the Constitution, because once you start taking away the freedom of the press from some you feel is being untruthful, it becomes subjective and the freedom of press as a whole will suddenly be at risk.

In large part -- no Founding Father watching the political sewage that passes for journalism today would agree with you using their quotes. In the early days of the Republic, the press dug for nasty dirt. It was usually true and EVERYONE agreed the nasty acts were bad.

Those "journalists" complaining about the heat they pour gas on everyday need to check themselves. Mostly, their organizations are now "political advocacy groups" and should be subject to the rules for such advocacy. THEY have already gotten people shot and threatened and nearly wiped out the GOP softball team.

If THEY want to create a "war zone" in America -- they better buckle up the flak jackets. Because they are not "innocent principled bystanders"...

Really now? Journalists are to blame for that? Can we then blame Trump for the rise of violence against journalists? Don't you think you need a bit more "cause and effect" here?

NOT ONCE have you complained about the RHETORIC of hate and violence coming from the left about and too Trump, hypocrite much?

Remind me...when did you complain about the rhetoric of hate and violence coming from the right?

Oh...right. Never

I am not in a thread whining about it am I? You on the other hand want it both ways you want to call out the right for fictitious wrongs while ignoring the violence and hate coming from the left. By the way name for us how many democratic congress critters were shot by a rightie? I can name a republican shot by the left.

 

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With the things he is saying to a base that is full of several conspiracy nutjobs, Trump is going to get a journalist killed, and then what? He is going to be sued for everything he owns, and he should be found guilty for it. MSNBC reporter Katy Tur reported this week how someone wrote her saying she should be raped and killed, followed by MAGA. We've already seen what Trump's supporters are capable of when one who believed Alex Jones Pizzagate shot up Comet Ping-Pong Pizza. It is the JOB of the news to hold the government and its official responsible for what they say and do. When Trump blatantly lies every couple of minutes, it is the media's job to point it out. The founders of the U.S. put the freedom of the press into the very first Amendment of the Constitution for a reason, it is fundamentally imperative to having a true democracy.

James Madison very clearly stated this when he wrote:

"A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."

A couple from Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Constitution:

"I am ... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents."

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe."

So self-proclaimed Constitutional Conservatives, why are you not defending the Constitution and the forethought of those who took part in creating it? Why are you still backing Trump who obviously isn't respecting the glue that put this country together? And before you say the press is lying and not reporting the truth, please educate yourself, as the Founders knew there would always be press that would explore the fringe of truth. They said that ALL press must still be protected by the Constitution, because once you start taking away the freedom of the press from some you feel is being untruthful, it becomes subjective and the freedom of press as a whole will suddenly be at risk.

In large part -- no Founding Father watching the political sewage that passes for journalism today would agree with you using their quotes. In the early days of the Republic, the press dug for nasty dirt. It was usually true and EVERYONE agreed the nasty acts were bad.

Those "journalists" complaining about the heat they pour gas on everyday need to check themselves. Mostly, their organizations are now "political advocacy groups" and should be subject to the rules for such advocacy. THEY have already gotten people shot and threatened and nearly wiped out the GOP softball team.

If THEY want to create a "war zone" in America -- they better buckle up the flak jackets. Because they are not "innocent principled bystanders"...

Totally wrong, as I also posted their logic. Once you start picking and choosing those who you THINK is not reporting the truth, it becomes subjective and the foundation behind the freedom of the press is no longer valid.

It's been posted in this thread now, but a Trump supporter (Yes he admitted it on the phone) called into C-Span to say if he saw Brian Stelter or Don Lemon he would shoot them.

Now let me give a little information that some on this forum may not not. In court cases there are different standards to convict. In a murder case for example, the jury must find that the person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That means they must be 100% positive they are guilty with no possible questions of doubt in their mind. In a civil case the level of guilt is MUCH lower. It generally is just a preponderance of evidence, which just means the plaintiff gave enough evidence to make it more than likely the defendant is liable.

So if some psycho Trump supporter kills a journalist, and says they did it because Trump told them the media is an enemy of the state, Trump can be held liable in a civil suit, because he incited someone to commit a crime. If it happens now, after journalist have warned Trump about death threats, and Trump continues with his current narrative, it is more likely than ever he would be held liable in a civil suit. He needs to get out in front of this and tell his supporters to stop, and do it now before someone gets hurt.