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CFCs don't react with water vapor so don't wash out the atmosphere with rain.
CFCs have been measured in the upper atmosphere Visible Earth: CLAES Measurements of CFC-12 In the Stratosphere
It doesn't need to. Once CFCs get high enough they are broken down by UV light. It's the free chlorine atoms that then go on to facilitate destruction of ozone.
Of course that is just a theory.
CFCs must be the magic gas. They weigh more then air but they don't obey same laws as everything else.
I've studied refrigeration for years and it has never been reported that anyone has found CFCs in the upper atmosphere.
Your report comes from NASA. It's very short on details.
NASA isn't what it used to be. So I don't trust something that falls under the President and he's turning into a Muslim outreach program.
"So I don't trust something that falls under the President and he's turning into a Muslim outreach program"
Reagan? He signed the Montreal Accord which made the CFC banning happen.
And Nixon formed the EPA.
You need to blame the correct side which in this case is also the "right" side.
The EPA was formed during the Clinton years.
Since then R 12 has been phased out, R 22 has jumped in price this year from $100 a jug to nearly $300. Soon the only refrigerant they will allow us to use will be 410a.
Just because they discovered an hole in the Ozone above the polls.
Who cares that extreme cold freezes water vapor and causes a hole in the ozone.
The EPA is the tool Obama is using to drive dirty energy out of business.
Partisan blinder on there?
the phasing out of R22 was planned long before Obama took office there bub.
But don't let the truth stand in your way.
Time Line for Phase Out of Refrigerant R22
In the year 1987 conference was held, where a protocol by the name Montreal Protocol was signed by a number of countries to phase out the use and production of CFC refrigerants. US is one of the 190 countries where the manufacturing of R22 has to be stopped in phase manner and where the alternatives have to be found out.
As per EPA (Environmental Protection Agency), the timeline for phase out of R22 from United States is as follows:
January 1, 2010: By this date there would be complete ban on the production and import of R22 and R142b. However, there is exception for the on-going servicing needs of the existing plants and equipment.
January 1, 2015: By this date there would be ban on the sale and use of R22. There is exception for certain cases, including the serving needs of the existing refrigeration and air conditioning equipment.
January 1, 2020: By this date there would complete ban on the production and import of R22 refrigerant. The gas would not be available even for servicing of the existing plants.
Read more: R22 Phase Out Timeline. Freon 22 Bans Timeline
President Ronald Reagan signed the Montreal Protocol.
hmmm
Sorry, but I didn't even mention Obama. But then again he is currently in charge of the EPA.
Btw, I know about the Montreal Protocol. I have a refrigerant license.
The EPA is forcing up the price of refrigerants in the United States. The EPA, which was formed during the Clinton years, used the Montreal Protocol as an excuse to drive up the price. Can anyone explain to me why we're so worried about too much ozone yet we still have to get rid of something that breaks ozone down?
Somebody's gonna have to decide if Ozone is good or bad because I'm seeing another scam going on here. Call me a skeptic.
The EPA claims that CFCs take 50 years to reach the upper atmosphere, but Freon is heavier then air.
How the fuck does that happen?
Of course that is just a theory.
CFCs must be the magic gas. They weigh more then air but they don't obey same laws as everything else.
I've studied refrigeration for years and it has never been reported that anyone has found CFCs in the upper atmosphere.
Your report comes from NASA. It's very short on details.
NASA isn't what it used to be. So I don't trust something that falls under the President and he's turning into a Muslim outreach program.
"So I don't trust something that falls under the President and he's turning into a Muslim outreach program"
Reagan? He signed the Montreal Accord which made the CFC banning happen.
And Nixon formed the EPA.
You need to blame the correct side which in this case is also the "right" side.
Obama's EPA is the motherfuckers raising the price, not Reagan's.
A few years ago a 30lb jug of R-22 cost $40. Now all of the sudden since the first of the year the price went from $150 to almost $300 in just 6 months.
You can expect the same thing to start happening to everything else Obama's EPA starts "regulating". That includes coal-fired generators that provide electricity. Obama has said he plans on driving up the price of energy to this country. Now why in the hell does he want to do that?
How about shutting down the EPA and putting them out of jobs.
You notice how it's OK to shut down private sector jobs ,but when it's government, it would be to hard on the economy, to pay government workers for unemployment checks and food stamps.
Partisan blinder on there?
the phasing out of R22 was planned long before Obama took office there bub.
But don't let the truth stand in your way.
Time Line for Phase Out of Refrigerant R22
In the year 1987 conference was held, where a protocol by the name “Montreal Protocol” was signed by a number of countries to phase out the use and production of CFC refrigerants. US is one of the 190 countries where the manufacturing of R22 has to be stopped in phase manner and where the alternatives have to be found out.
As per EPA (Environmental Protection Agency), the timeline for phase out of R22 from United States is as follows:
January 1, 2010: By this date there would be complete ban on the production and import of R22 and R142b. However, there is exception for the on-going servicing needs of the existing plants and equipment.
January 1, 2015: By this date there would be ban on the sale and use of R22. There is exception for certain cases, including the serving needs of the existing refrigeration and air conditioning equipment.
January 1, 2020: By this date there would complete ban on the production and import of R22 refrigerant. The gas would not be available even for servicing of the existing plants.
Read more: R22 Phase Out Timeline. Freon 22 Bans Timeline
President Ronald Reagan signed the Montreal Protocol.
hmmm
Sorry, but I didn't even mention Obama. But then again he is currently in charge of the EPA.
Btw, I know about the Montreal Protocol. I have a refrigerant license.
The EPA is forcing up the price of refrigerants in the United States. The EPA, which was formed during the Clinton years, used the Montreal Protocol as an excuse to drive up the price. Can anyone explain to me why we're so worried about too much ozone yet we still have to get rid of something that breaks ozone down?
Somebody's gonna have to decide if Ozone is good or bad because I'm seeing another scam going on here. Call me a skeptic.
The EPA claims that CFCs take 50 years to reach the upper atmosphere, but Freon is heavier then air.
How the fuck does that happen?
How the fuck do you manage to be so stupid and find your way to a computer?
In the troposphere, ozone is a poison and pollutant. On the outer edge of the stratosphere, it blocks hard ultraviolet, which is damaging to all life.
"So I don't trust something that falls under the President and he's turning into a Muslim outreach program"
Reagan? He signed the Montreal Accord which made the CFC banning happen.
And Nixon formed the EPA.
You need to blame the correct side which in this case is also the "right" side.
Obama's EPA is the motherfuckers raising the price, not Reagan's.
A few years ago a 30lb jug of R-22 cost $40. Now all of the sudden since the first of the year the price went from $150 to almost $300 in just 6 months.
You can expect the same thing to start happening to everything else Obama's EPA starts "regulating". That includes coal-fired generators that provide electricity. Obama has said he plans on driving up the price of energy to this country. Now why in the hell does he want to do that?
and you have a liscence but do not understand the law of supply and demand on a reduced access/use substance like R22?
Which Reagan signed the accord banning/limiting its manufacture and applications.
Obama's EPA is the motherfuckers raising the price, not Reagan's.
A few years ago a 30lb jug of R-22 cost $40. Now all of the sudden since the first of the year the price went from $150 to almost $300 in just 6 months.
You can expect the same thing to start happening to everything else Obama's EPA starts "regulating". That includes coal-fired generators that provide electricity. Obama has said he plans on driving up the price of energy to this country. Now why in the hell does he want to do that?
and you have a liscence but do not understand the law of supply and demand on a reduced access/use substance like R22?
Which Reagan signed the accord banning/limiting its manufacture and applications.
I also understand that regulations caused the price to go up, not just supply and demand. Most HVAC units in service today use R22, but Obama is trying to speed up the process by forcing the price up faster then normal. All he's doing is costing more and more money everywhere.
This did not happen with R12.
and you have a liscence but do not understand the law of supply and demand on a reduced access/use substance like R22?
Which Reagan signed the accord banning/limiting its manufacture and applications.
I also understand that regulations caused the price to go up, not just supply and demand. Most HVAC units in service today use R22, but Obama is trying to speed up the process by forcing the price up faster then normal. All he's doing is costing more and more money everywhere.
This did not happen with R12.
This did not happen with R12?????
LOL the price of R12 went from $20 a 20 lb can to $200 virtually overnight.
I was there and in the business.
I have guided several friends this month on how to convert their R12 auto AC to R134.
Not sure but I think R12 is maybe $45/lb now.
I also understand that regulations caused the price to go up, not just supply and demand. Most HVAC units in service today use R22, but Obama is trying to speed up the process by forcing the price up faster then normal. All he's doing is costing more and more money everywhere.
This did not happen with R12.
This did not happen with R12?????
LOL the price of R12 went from $20 a can to $200 virtually overnight.
I was there and in the business.
You're a God Damned liar too.
Hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs) Phase-out Management Plan (HPMP)
Under the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer, especially Executive Committee (ExCom) 53/37 and ExCom 54/39, Parties to this Protocol agreed to set year 2013 as the time to freeze the consumption and production of HCFCs. They also agreed to start reducing its consumption and production in 2015. The time of freezing and reducing HCFCs is then known as 2013/2015.
Montreal Protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dumbass, the restrictions started in 2010 read my above post or do your own research.
Dumbass, the restrictions started in 2010 read my above post or do your own research.
Dumbass?????
Now who's using bad language now???
I did my own research.
A freeze in production wasn't to begin till 2013.
For you to be correct somebody must have gone around the original agreement and moved the date up.
The final date wasn't to be until 2030 for it to be completely out of service.
Dumbass, the restrictions started in 2010 read my above post or do your own research.
Dumbass?????
Now who's using bad language now???
I did my own research.
A freeze in production wasn't to begin till 2013.
For you to be correct somebody must have gone around the original agreement and moved the date up.
The final date wasn't to be until 2030 for it to be completely out of service.
By using dumbass I was being very kind to you
Anyone who has lost his or her job thanks to the EPA just go 600 new friends to keep them company.
EPA responds to American Electric Power on closing coal-fired plants » Local News » Bluefield Daily Telegraph, Bluefield, WV
GLEN LYN, Va. A spokesperson for the Environmental Protection Agency responded Friday to an announcement from American Electric Power on Thursday, stating that it would retire or down-size 11 coal-fired power plants, prompting the loss of 600 power plant jobs worth $40 million in wages in order to comply with EPA requirements.
Thank God the EPA is looking out for us.
Dumbass?????
Now who's using bad language now???
I did my own research.
A freeze in production wasn't to begin till 2013.
For you to be correct somebody must have gone around the original agreement and moved the date up.
The final date wasn't to be until 2030 for it to be completely out of service.
By using dumbass I was being very kind to you
Old Rocks started it by neg-repping me and insulting me in a PM.
Next time, if you want to be nice mind your own business.