Don’t let the right tell you gun control does not work because it does.

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I agree, if you make guns harder to own gun deaths will go down

But is the goal to save lives or something else?
After all, alcohol kills far more people every year than guns, yet I hear no calls to ban alcohol, so why is that?
In fact, people die of heroin at a rate of almost 200 a day, yet there is no calls to secure to border better to stop the drugs from pouring into the country, nor is there any call to make the severity of dealing those drugs more harsh to that they are unable to be released to go do it again and again and again.
In fact, why not just ban cars? That would save millions every year.

So is the real issue saving lives or something else?

Hmm?

Also, how many lives are saved by owning guns? See, this is never addressed.

Again, this is never addressed nor do you want it talked about because saving lives is not the issue.
States are welcome to pass laws that prevent alcohol deaths. That doesn’t have to come in the form of banning the substance because Cali’s on gun control have nothing to do with banning guns completely.
 
Dems never talk about banning all guns. You just pretend we do because the nuance of gun control policy is too complicated I guess lol
Your pants-shitter-in-chief already went from campaigning for the removal of AR-15s to "9mm" and handguns as being unnecessary, and worthy of bans. Take your trash to someone stupid enough to believe it. You will NEVER take the weapons with a simple stolen vote. You don't have enough brown shirts or cops to get confiscation done but you're welcome to volunteer to kick doors if it means so much to you.
 
Yeah, Chicago is the 'poster child' for how effective Democrat / liberal gun control is.

Some of the nation's strictest gun laws in the nation, and there is what amounts to be a mass shooting, when you count the number of people shot / killed, every weekend.

The reason Democrats prefer gun bans is that it does not, presumably for now, cost them any money, whereas addressing their 'Defund The Police' campaign, mental illness, making schools more secure, their own violent rhetoric which has resulted in a political assassination attempt / domestic terrorist violence and bombings, & violent rap music and video games.

Again, however, Chicago alone proves anti-gun legislation alone does nothing but transform innocent Americans into VICTIMS.
The problem is the liberal judge tosses the gun charge. Then they can go free.
 
California is a shining example of success for curbing gun violence with gun control legislation. It doesn’t come from one specific policy - but a combination of several.

“For the last 20, maybe even 25 years — except for the two years of the pandemic, which have increased homicides and suicides across the country — our rates of firearm violence have trended downward,” said Wintemute, who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, Medical Center in Sacramento. “And this has been at a time when most of the rates in the rest of the country have gone up.”

California’s rate of firearm mortality is among the nation’s lowest, with 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020, compared with 13.7 per 100,000 nationally and 14.2 per 100,000 in Texas, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported. And Californians are about 25% less likely to die in mass shootings, compared with residents of other states, according to a recent Public Policy Institute of California analysis.

….California has done a lot to prevent high-risk people from purchasing firearms. We’ve broadened the criteria for keeping guns out of the hands of people who pose a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness. If you’re convicted of a violent misdemeanor in California, you can’t have a gun for the next 10 years; that offense has to be a felony in most states….

….We require background checks, and not just from licensed retailers; in most states, purchases from private parties require no background checks or record keeping of any kind. We have a system, that we’re evaluating now, for getting guns back from “prohibited persons” — people who have been convicted of violent crimes or who are facing domestic violence restraining orders. And we enforce these policies, unlike a lot of other states.


THAT is not only the most HYSTERICALLY FUNNY thing I've read this month so far, it is THE MOST LUDICROUS!

I was stuck in Hellifornia for 4 years........if they can't use guns, they use knives. If they can't use knives, they use their cars and trucks!! If they can't use their cars and trucks, they use crowbars, hammers, wrenches, baseball bats, tire irons, fire, plastic, or whatever else they can get their hands on.
 
Not a theory, Biden advocated that any ammunition that might actually kill someone (like 9mm) be banned. Biden said .22 caliber was okay though, well until he learns that also can kill. Under Dem rule future ammunition must be certified to not break the skin.
If someone actually explained that the AR most commonly fires a round that is essentially a .22 on steroids, he'd shit himself (again). These grabbers can't even be bothered to get their facts straight before they begin lying and crying.
 
Biden also said he went to the NAVAL ACADEMY.........lmao

Such a blatant lie even his handlers couldn't circle back on that one.
He lives in a fantasy world but he supposedly has the codes to use our nukes.
 
California is a shining example of success for curbing gun violence with gun control legislation. It doesn’t come from one specific policy - but a combination of several.

Correlation does not imply causation. If it did, then dozens of cities with highly restrictive gun laws and high crime rats, like New York, Baltimore, and Chicago, would lead us to conclude that gun control legislation causes more violence.
 
Correlation does not imply causation. If it did, then dozens of cities with highly restrictive gun laws and high crime rats, like New York, Baltimore, and Chicago, would lead us to conclude that gun control legislation causes more violence.
Not causes, fails to prevent, which is suppose to be the goal, right?
 
California is a shining example of success for curbing gun violence with gun control legislation. It doesn’t come from one specific policy - but a combination of several.

“For the last 20, maybe even 25 years — except for the two years of the pandemic, which have increased homicides and suicides across the country — our rates of firearm violence have trended downward,” said Wintemute, who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, Medical Center in Sacramento. “And this has been at a time when most of the rates in the rest of the country have gone up.”

California’s rate of firearm mortality is among the nation’s lowest, with 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020, compared with 13.7 per 100,000 nationally and 14.2 per 100,000 in Texas, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported. And Californians are about 25% less likely to die in mass shootings, compared with residents of other states, according to a recent Public Policy Institute of California analysis.

….California has done a lot to prevent high-risk people from purchasing firearms. We’ve broadened the criteria for keeping guns out of the hands of people who pose a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness. If you’re convicted of a violent misdemeanor in California, you can’t have a gun for the next 10 years; that offense has to be a felony in most states….

….We require background checks, and not just from licensed retailers; in most states, purchases from private parties require no background checks or record keeping of any kind. We have a system, that we’re evaluating now, for getting guns back from “prohibited persons” — people who have been convicted of violent crimes or who are facing domestic violence restraining orders. And we enforce these policies, unlike a lot of other states.

Works in all other nations.... I guess we're just more homicidal than other societies.
 
“For the last 20, maybe even 25 years — except for the two years of the pandemic, which have increased homicides and suicides across the country — our rates of firearm violence have trended downward,” said Wintemute, who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, Medical Center in Sacramento. “And this has been at a time when most of the rates in the rest of the country have gone up.”
Homicide and violent crime rates had been down nationwide and falling steadily for more than 20 years until BLM/ANTIFA started rampaging across the country.

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Your premise has more holes in it than a sieve.

In fact as licensed and constitutional carry has expanded across the country over the last 30 years we say a dramatic fall in homicide rates.
 
Works in all other nations.... I guess we're just more homicidal than other societies.
No it certainly doesn't work in all other nations. Take a few years off and go live in Mexico and you'll see for yourself what a miserable failure heavily restrictive gun laws can be.

I guess we're just more homicidal than other societies.

You're actually on to something here but you won't like where it leads.
 

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