Dr Carson: House Negro or just a man that thinks for himself who happens to be black?

[logical4u]

Well, the paying out of reparations would signal that whites had done something "immoral and wrong", which they today summarily dismiss as "the price of doing business" and ultimately improving the lives of Africans, who, otherwise, would have been trapped in Third World realities. How many times have I heard, that I'm better off due to slavery? LOL

Well then we'd have to track back to the first white child slaves in America and get the Brits to pay reparations for them.

Oh and the number of First Nations who held slaves. Well I guess we'd have to have First Nation pay First Nations for their slave trading.

Oh and then there were the black slave owners.....

Uh no we wouldnt since there was no agreement to do so...40 acres and a Mule was promised no matter how many other things you throw in it wont effect that truth

The blacks that came forward were offered forty acres and a mule. A few took it, most did not, because the forty acres were not "cleared", worked land. It was raw land (in some cases, swamp), most did not want it (it meant working harder than they had to as slaves). The ones that did take it were like other people, some made it, some did not. The gov't is not know for "real" generosity. It is usually a ploy for the gov't's purposes, not a "gift" to the citizen.... Pay attention, those that think gov't health care is a good thing....

 

[LilOlLady]

“I am convinced that knowledge is power - to overcome the past, to change our own situations, to fight new obstacles, to make better decisions.”-Dr. Ben Carson

I like this.

Gift of gab. Has a good rap. Lack real substance. Say what white republican want ot hear from a Negro.

 

[poet]

Hey, what's wrong with reparations? Sure the white people of today didn't own slaves but the debt 40 acres and a mule was a promise, right?
What's the expiration date on a deal?
Additionally, white are always surprised when I say this, but, reparations were never about handing everyone a check. Surprising right? Black people are not asking for a check or any money to them! Whhaaaa? Yes, the idea of reparations has and always will be money allocated to black communities and the development of programs for blacks. Weird right?
Sorta like Affirmative Action without the white ladies using it hard then blaming the blacks.

Well, the paying out of reparations would signal that whites had done something "immoral and wrong", which they today summarily dismiss as "the price of doing business" and ultimately improving the lives of Africans, who, otherwise, would have been trapped in Third World realities. How many times have I heard, that I'm better off due to slavery? LOL

No wonder you don't like Ben Carson. He pretty much made everything you said there, null and void!

He grew up poor. He chose to get an education. He chose to work hard to build a reputation and profession. He received financial rewards for his hard work. He is internationally know for that work. He is respected as a professional doctor. He can put two sentences together without "blaming" someone else for his problems!

Well, excuse me...but I grew up "middle class"...chose to get an education (2 years of college). Landed a college level position in a hospital lab, I held for 15 years. Independent musician, writer, and producer...respected and acclaimed. What problems? Who am I blaming for my success?

 

[LilOlLady]

Well then we'd have to track back to the first white child slaves in America and get the Brits to pay reparations for them.

Oh and the number of First Nations who held slaves. Well I guess we'd have to have First Nation pay First Nations for their slave trading.

Oh and then there were the black slave owners.....

Uh no we wouldnt since there was no agreement to do so...40 acres and a Mule was promised no matter how many other things you throw in it wont effect that truth

The blacks that came forward were offered forty acres and a mule. A few took it, most did not, because the forty acres were not "cleared", worked land. It was raw land (in some cases, swamp), most did not want it (it meant working harder than they had to as slaves). The ones that did take it were like other people, some made it, some did not. The gov't is not know for "real" generosity. It is usually a ploy for the gov't's purposes, not a "gift" to the citizen.... Pay attention, those that think gov't health care is a good thing....

40 acres and a mule was never a reality. Some believe we are paying "reparations" with entitlements for black and whites.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Well then we'd have to track back to the first white child slaves in America and get the Brits to pay reparations for them.

Oh and the number of First Nations who held slaves. Well I guess we'd have to have First Nation pay First Nations for their slave trading.

Oh and then there were the black slave owners.....

Uh no we wouldnt since there was no agreement to do so...40 acres and a Mule was promised no matter how many other things you throw in it wont effect that truth

Sadly the first children that were slaves in the Americas to the colonists were white and babies. They signed no agreement.

May I recommend with all due respect that you study up on Cromwell.

Sure, Ill look it up, Did the govt agree to do something for those people? They did with Blacks, then said Sike. Its like me and you go in on Lotto Tix but I walk to the store, I picked the numbers, I did everything to make it happen. We agree to split it, then you collect the winnings, ignore my phone calls, spend all the money and tell me...Thats not fair, you should've collected when I still had the money

 

[boedicca]

Hey, what's wrong with reparations? Sure the white people of today didn't own slaves but the debt 40 acres and a mule was a promise, right?
What's the expiration date on a deal?
Additionally, white are always surprised when I say this, but, reparations were never about handing everyone a check. Surprising right? Black people are not asking for a check or any money to them! Whhaaaa? Yes, the idea of reparations has and always will be money allocated to black communities and the development of programs for blacks. Weird right?
Sorta like Affirmative Action without the white ladies using it hard then blaming the blacks.

Well, the paying out of reparations would signal that whites had done something "immoral and wrong", which they today summarily dismiss as "the price of doing business" and ultimately improving the lives of Africans, who, otherwise, would have been trapped in Third World realities. How many times have I heard, that I'm better off due to slavery? LOL

I call shenanigans. I've never heard anyone say such nonsense other than lefties who claim that is what whites say.

 

[tinydancer]

Well, the paying out of reparations would signal that whites had done something "immoral and wrong", which they today summarily dismiss as "the price of doing business" and ultimately improving the lives of Africans, who, otherwise, would have been trapped in Third World realities. How many times have I heard, that I'm better off due to slavery? LOL

Well then we'd have to track back to the first white child slaves in America and get the Brits to pay reparations for them.

Oh and the number of First Nations who held slaves. Well I guess we'd have to have First Nation pay First Nations for their slave trading.

Oh and then there were the black slave owners.....

I don't want no stinking reparations. There is not enough gold in Fort Knox, to satisfy the debt owed, which would amount to "blood money", insulting and demeaning to the memory of my ancestors who had to endure the indignities. But don't for one minute imagine that you don't owe it. To everyone you mistreated.
And stop already with the "black slave owners", which probably amounted to 0.00001 % of slave ownership. Still doesn't excuse white participation and exploitation and injustices. Ever.

You're some nit wit white kid sitting in a basement playing black.

 

[logical4u]

Well, the paying out of reparations would signal that whites had done something "immoral and wrong", which they today summarily dismiss as "the price of doing business" and ultimately improving the lives of Africans, who, otherwise, would have been trapped in Third World realities. How many times have I heard, that I'm better off due to slavery? LOL

Well then we'd have to track back to the first white child slaves in America and get the Brits to pay reparations for them.

Oh and the number of First Nations who held slaves. Well I guess we'd have to have First Nation pay First Nations for their slave trading.

Oh and then there were the black slave owners.....

I don't want no stinking reparations. There is not enough gold in Fort Knox, to satisfy the debt owed, which would amount to "blood money", insulting and demeaning to the memory of my ancestors who had to endure the indignities. But don't for one minute imagine that you don't owe it. To everyone you mistreated.
And stop already with the "black slave owners", which probably amounted to 0.00001 % of slave ownership. Still doesn't excuse white participation and exploitation and injustices. Ever.

My ancestors did not own any African slaves on this continent. I have no idea about the ancestors before they came to this land. I suspect some were slaves or servants, others may have owned some.

I do have a question for you, though. Are you holding your African brethren responsible for capturing/kidnapping fellow Africans and selling them to the ME slave traders, that sold them to the "whites"? Are you telling the conquering, warrior tribes of Africa that they owe you "reparations", or even believe that they were guilty in the slave trade? After all, if they had not supplied a steady selection of blacks to the ME (Arab) slave traders, it is unlikely there would have been the number of slaves exported. It is unlikely that black lives would have been so undervalued, that the blacks could have received that terrible treatment and abuse. Also, are you holding the muslim/Arabs responsible for their part in the slave trade? Just why is it that you want to focus on the only group of people that worked to keep the slaves alive? Granted, it was for their own selfish reasons, but still the blacks that took the slaves, the Arabs that sold the slaves treated them worse, and were more likely to kill the slaves as a matter of convenience.

Oh, more questions. If slavery offends you so, why aren't you speaking out against the Africans that are still owning, and being taken as slaves? Why don't you speak out about the other races being taken as sex slaves or slaves for domestic servitude in many ME countries and in Asian countries?

Just want to see how deep or shallow your "convictions" flow.

 

[boedicca]

Even if he is what he claims, so what?

All of us had ancestors who endured awful conditions. Slavery and serfdom were the common conditions of most humans throughout known history. It's pathetic and ironic that the Western Philosophy that broke down slavery (in an admittedly rocky and bloody process) is blamed for it today. There isn't legal slavery in America today - but there are millions of slaves in other parts of the present day world. The energy would be better spent on those who are still slaves instead of those who are now free complaining about some ancestor's awful life.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Uh no we wouldnt since there was no agreement to do so...40 acres and a Mule was promised no matter how many other things you throw in it wont effect that truth

Sadly the first children that were slaves in the Americas to the colonists were white and babies. They signed no agreement.

May I recommend with all due respect that you study up on Cromwell.

Sure, Ill look it up, Did the govt agree to do something for those people? They did with Blacks, then said Sike. Its like me and you go in on Lotto Tix but I walk to the store, I picked the numbers, I did everything to make it happen. We agree to split it, then you collect the winnings, ignore my phone calls, spend all the money and tell me...Thats not fair, you should've collected when I still had the money

While you're at it. Look up the phrase "40 acres and a mule" and learn something.

We've all heard the story of the "40 acres and a mule" promise to former slaves. It's a staple of black history lessons, and it's the name of Spike Lee's film company. The promise was the first systematic attempt to provide a form of reparations to newly freed slaves, and it was astonishingly radical for its time, proto-socialist in its implications. In fact, such a policy would be radical in any country today: the federal government's massive confiscation of private property -- some 400,000 acres -- formerly owned by Confederate land owners, and its methodical redistribution to former black slaves. What most of us haven't heard is that the idea really was generated by black leaders themselves.

But let's say you're right and a promise was made. The problem is there are no "former slaves" around to receive the reparations.

 

[Pheonixops]

Hey, what's wrong with reparations? Sure the white people of today didn't own slaves but the debt 40 acres and a mule was a promise, right?
What's the expiration date on a deal?
Additionally, white are always surprised when I say this, but, reparations were never about handing everyone a check. Surprising right? Black people are not asking for a check or any money to them! Whhaaaa? Yes, the idea of reparations has and always will be money allocated to black communities and the development of programs for blacks. Weird right?
Sorta like Affirmative Action without the white ladies using it hard then blaming the blacks.

Here's a "typical" answer you may receive from some of the Hannity type conservatives": "Because a duh, dats not what dat der Martin Luther King wanted, didn't you hear that one line from his one speech?".

 

[boedicca]

Hey, what's wrong with reparations? Sure the white people of today didn't own slaves but the debt 40 acres and a mule was a promise, right?
What's the expiration date on a deal?
Additionally, white are always surprised when I say this, but, reparations were never about handing everyone a check. Surprising right? Black people are not asking for a check or any money to them! Whhaaaa? Yes, the idea of reparations has and always will be money allocated to black communities and the development of programs for blacks. Weird right?
Sorta like Affirmative Action without the white ladies using it hard then blaming the blacks.

Here's a "typical" answer you may receive from some of the Hannity type conservatives": "Because a duh, dats not what dat der Martin Luther King wanted, didn't you hear that one line from his one speech?".

You're a racist.

Just sayin'.

 

[Pheonixops]

Hey, what's wrong with reparations? Sure the white people of today didn't own slaves but the debt 40 acres and a mule was a promise, right?
What's the expiration date on a deal?
Additionally, white are always surprised when I say this, but, reparations were never about handing everyone a check. Surprising right? Black people are not asking for a check or any money to them! Whhaaaa? Yes, the idea of reparations has and always will be money allocated to black communities and the development of programs for blacks. Weird right?
Sorta like Affirmative Action without the white ladies using it hard then blaming the blacks.

Here's a "typical" answer you may receive from some of the Hannity type conservatives": "Because a duh, dats not what dat der Martin Luther King wanted, didn't you hear that one line from his one speech?".

You're a racist.

Just sayin'.

You're a fool who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Just sayin...........

What race am I allegedly racist against?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Sadly the first children that were slaves in the Americas to the colonists were white and babies. They signed no agreement.

May I recommend with all due respect that you study up on Cromwell.

Sure, Ill look it up, Did the govt agree to do something for those people? They did with Blacks, then said Sike. Its like me and you go in on Lotto Tix but I walk to the store, I picked the numbers, I did everything to make it happen. We agree to split it, then you collect the winnings, ignore my phone calls, spend all the money and tell me...Thats not fair, you should've collected when I still had the money

While you're at it. Look up the phrase "40 acres and a mule" and learn something.

We've all heard the story of the "40 acres and a mule" promise to former slaves. It's a staple of black history lessons, and it's the name of Spike Lee's film company. The promise was the first systematic attempt to provide a form of reparations to newly freed slaves, and it was astonishingly radical for its time, proto-socialist in its implications. In fact, such a policy would be radical in any country today: the federal government's massive confiscation of private property -- some 400,000 acres -- formerly owned by Confederate land owners, and its methodical redistribution to former black slaves. What most of us haven't heard is that the idea really was generated by black leaders themselves.

But let's say you're right and a promise was made. The problem is there are no "former slaves" around to receive the reparations.

Really? So Shermans Special Field Order no 15 was made up by black leaders and repealed by Andrew Johnson? That is amazing....ly untrue

Special Field Orders, No. 15 were military orders issued during the American Civil War, on January 16, 1865, by General William Tecumseh Sherman, commander of the Military Division of the Mississippi of the United States Army.[1] They provided for the confiscation of 400,000 acres (1,600 km²) of land along the Atlantic coast of South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida and the dividing of it into 40-acre (0.16 km2) parcels, on which were to be settled approximately 18,000 freed slave families and other Blacks then living in the area.

Sherman's Special Field Orders, No. 15 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[boedicca]

What race am I allegedly racist against?

Easy peasy....the Human Race.

 

[Ernie S.]

“I am convinced that knowledge is power - to overcome the past, to change our own situations, to fight new obstacles, to make better decisions.”-Dr. Ben Carson

I like this.

Gift of gab. Has a good rap. Lack real substance. Say what white republican want ot hear from a Negro.

Hope and change.

 

[Ernie S.]

Well, the paying out of reparations would signal that whites had done something "immoral and wrong", which they today summarily dismiss as "the price of doing business" and ultimately improving the lives of Africans, who, otherwise, would have been trapped in Third World realities. How many times have I heard, that I'm better off due to slavery? LOL

No wonder you don't like Ben Carson. He pretty much made everything you said there, null and void!

He grew up poor. He chose to get an education. He chose to work hard to build a reputation and profession. He received financial rewards for his hard work. He is internationally know for that work. He is respected as a professional doctor. He can put two sentences together without "blaming" someone else for his problems!

Well, excuse me...but I grew up "middle class"...chose to get an education (2 years of college). Landed a college level position in a hospital lab, I held for 15 years. Independent musician, writer, and producer...respected and acclaimed. What problems? Who am I blaming for my success?

By who, other than yourself.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Even if he is what he claims, so what?

All of us had ancestors who endured awful conditions. Slavery and serfdom were the common conditions of most humans throughout known history. It's pathetic and ironic that the Western Philosophy that broke down slavery (in an admittedly rocky and bloody process) is blamed for it today. There isn't legal slavery in America today - but there are millions of slaves in other parts of the present day world. The energy would be better spent on those who are still slaves instead of those who are now free complaining about some ancestor's awful life.

God, why do you guys make this claim like all slavery is the same.

How was slavery different for indentured servants than for people enslaved from Africa

The primary difference between indentured servants and people enslaved from Africa was freedom. Indentured servants were indebted to their masters to work and do their bidding for a temporary period of time. In most cases, indentured servants knew ahead of time how long they would be servants. At the end of that period the master was obligated to set the slave free. Indentured slaves also had rights, they could marry and even buy their way out of slavery.

Slaves who were captured and sold during the Transatlantic Slave Trade were bought and sold and classified by law as property. This is known as chattel slavery, and slaves who were subject to this form of slavery were condemned to a lifetime of slavery with no possible chance of being set free. In some rare instances slave owners granted their slaves freedom as a dying wish but this was rare. It is said that Thomas Jefferson who owned slaves requested in his will that his slaves and their children be set free. It was later discovered that Thomas Jefferson had fathered the children of his slave.

Chattel slavery was deeping dehumanizing and there have been no recorded incidents of chattel slavery being practiced other than during this dark period.

Again and again, I keep posting this and its ignored to make a point. A point you NOW KNOW is not true

 

[boedicca]

What a moron.

Arguing about degrees of how awful being a slave or serf is. It's not a contest. Everyone deserves to be free - but people like you advocate for dependency and serfdom for all

 

[poet]

No wonder you don't like Ben Carson. He pretty much made everything you said there, null and void!

He grew up poor. He chose to get an education. He chose to work hard to build a reputation and profession. He received financial rewards for his hard work. He is internationally know for that work. He is respected as a professional doctor. He can put two sentences together without "blaming" someone else for his problems!

Well, excuse me...but I grew up "middle class"...chose to get an education (2 years of college). Landed a college level position in a hospital lab, I held for 15 years. Independent musician, writer, and producer...respected and acclaimed. What problems? Who am I blaming for my success?

By who, other than yourself.

By Rod 2.O Beta, Narada Michael Walden, Rep. Shelia Jackson-Lee, Mayor Annise Parker, Outsmart Magazine, the Houston Gay Community, AIDS Foundation-Houston (for fundraising in excess of 15K). Now don't you feel foolish?