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Drudge: Great Abortion article; 55 million abortions since roe/wade

Slavery was legal too
Owners then had a choice too
I thought you libberhoids detested slavery? What do I know
You shitstains created the kkk so your lame brain motives are anyone's guess
 
First up, Super_Lantern? Do we have another DC Comics fan on the board?

Next, there's not much to respond to here since it's mostly an emotional plea rather than a logical one. I mean, I guess respond emotionally, but I don't feel like doing so at the moment.

As for the gist of the discussion, I would like to see the pro-life crowd become more aggressive in their willingness to discuss the issues; I just hope that they don't become antagonistic because that just gets people to shut down and go with the flow which does not lead to any change of the heart and mind which are the real changes needed.

Let's see if I can find anything worth responding to in this.

Can anybody give me a link to the actual stats on how many people have been born since 1973? The one in three have been aborted statement is powerful, but I don't want to repeat it unless I can back it up, and a quick Googling didn't help.

Also, can someone explain to me the logic of the Roe Vs. Wade decision? I don't see how the 14th amendment can be construed as to say anything about abortion.

I'm not sure that pitting the mother against the child is an accurate depiction of abortion, but describing abortion as the ultimate discrimination is another solid point.

Never mind the vicious nonsense of claiming that an embryo has a “right to life.” A piece of protoplasm has no rights—and no life in the human sense of the term. One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate a potential with an actual, is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former, is unspeakable. . . . Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives. The task of raising a child is a tremendous, lifelong responsibility, which no one should undertake unwittingly or unwillingly.
- Ayn Rand

I agree that saying life begins at the moment of conception, when nothing remotely resembling humanity has been created, is ridiculous. On the other hand, that little packet of cells starts resembling a baby pretty quickly. It seems to me that since death is widely understood to be the cessation of brain activity, the beginning of brain activity should be the marker for the beginning of life. Brain waves can be detected at six weeks after conception. You want to kill that packed of cells before that point? Have at it. After that point, you are killing a thinking life form with its own human genetic code. That is the very definition of humanity.

Different stages of development...but still the same person.

you are in your retard phase huh?

still doesnt matter, its none of your business.

You are suggesting the murder of a human being is not society's business or you are suggesting that a fetus is not human? If it is the former, then that's quite a position. If it's the latter, then please take a look at the paragraph directly above starting, "I agree that..."

50% of American women will have an unwanted pregnancy in their lifetime. The Republicans want the government to force these women to bring their pregnancy to term. Unwanted children are much more likely to be abused.

Therefore, Republicans are pro child abuse.

I make the following argument not because I agree with it but just to point out the problem with your train of thought. Democrats support the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. That act made incandescent lights untennable and forced consumers to switch to CFLs. CFL lights release mercury into the air when broken.

Democrats are pro-mercury poisoning.

Every law will have far reaching effects some of which will be negative.
 
What kinds of women, demographically, have abortions? Are we talking members of high society and Mensa? Lots of Norwegians and Scots/Irish? College educated? Working, etc?

Pregnant women have abortions and its none of your business.

Yeah, yeah, you love big and invasive government and you hate women and you believe the Constitution should be thrown out and you don't believe men are equally responsible for pregnancy and you have not adopted even one homeless hungry child and you're against taking care of the children that are already here but none of that changes the fact that its none of your business.

MYOB

I'm pro-choice, you ninny.
 
*yawn*

same old same old. The pretense that we must have abortion for all in order to facilitate medical treatment to pregnant women, and the pretense that women who are raped and teenagers are best served by coerced abortion that protects their abusers by hiding the crime....while inflicting even more physical and psychological damage on them at the abortion clinic itself.

Just for the record, I've never said any of this.

This is where they say:

1. there are too many people anyway
2. you don't want to support their children anyway
3. they have abortion in Israel, don't they?
4. the babies would be deformed monsters!
5. what do you expect raped women to do...turn in the rapists?
6. white people shouldn't adopt black babies!
7. you hate poor people!

Never said any of this nonsense either.

MYOB
 
What kinds of women, demographically, have abortions? Are we talking members of high society and Mensa? Lots of Norwegians and Scots/Irish? College educated? Working, etc?

Pregnant women have abortions and its none of your business.

Yeah, yeah, you love big and invasive government and you hate women and you believe the Constitution should be thrown out and you don't believe men are equally responsible for pregnancy and you have not adopted even one homeless hungry child and you're against taking care of the children that are already here but none of that changes the fact that its none of your business.

MYOB

I'm pro-choice, you ninny.

I'm happy to hear that but that fact was not clear from your post and I'm not familiar with your previous posts on the subject.

I apologize if I've missed your posts in the past.
 
Seeing as how the numbers of women seeking abortion before Roe v Wade is statiscally the same as after, I'm more concerned about the number of women who died after a botched abortion during those illegal years. It's been estimated to be 10k or over.

That said, no male on this forum has any right to say what a woman should do or not do to her body. That is her singular decision and only hers.

True.

This also goes to the fact that ‘banning’ abortion will in no way end the practice, where those who seek to ‘ban’ abortion aren’t concerned about ‘saving babies’ but are instead concerned about keeping a hot-button issue alive for purely partisan reasons.
 
I saw a link to this article on Drudge today and wondered if I could get the thoughts from both pro-choice and pro-life people on the points raised in this opinion piece. I bolded things that stood out to me:



What can I say that hasn’t already been said about today?

Yesterday evening, I was sitting in my living room working while watching my sons play. I began to think about what my life would have been without them. How different I would be. How their lives have already made this world a different place since they were born. How much I would hurt if I had chosen abortion.

Then, I thought of the more than 55,000,000 lives that have been taken in the U.S. since 1973, and I became overwhelmed at the tragedy. Tragedy for the babies, their mothers, their fathers, families, and us.

Who is our nation missing? What price is our society paying for the ultimate deceit of abortion?

40 years ago today, seven men on the Supreme Court decided in favor of a case presented to them from a 27 year-old, unknown, post-abortive lawyer, Sarah Weddington. That case was Roe v. Wade and, along with its companion Doe v. Bolton, it legalized abortion in all 9 months of pregnancy, for any reason, in the United States.

Today, this 27 year-old is writing to you as a survivor of that decision. The undeniable fact is that nearly a third of my generation is missing. We are missing brothers, sisters, cousins, friends, husbands and wives.

You see, Miss Weddington’s generation got it wrong. In attempting to correct gender inequality in the workplace and in our society, they set into motion the ultimate act of discrimination – abortion. Instead of glorifying motherhood, they pitted the mother against her child, creating an endless cycle of selfishness, pain, and deceit.

But this generation is determined to set it right. We’ve seen the ultrasounds of our siblings, googled “abortion” and seen the bloody images, and sat with a friend as she cried about her abortion. This youth generation is the most pro-life generation of young people since 1973; we’re even more pro-life than even our parents’ generation.
And this week our presence will be known as this generation will be the predominant participants in Friday’s March for Life in Washington, D.C. and pro-life rallies across the nation.

This week, we will be proudly carrying our “I am the Pro-Life Generation” signs, and Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry will watch their target audience slip away.

In fact, we already have. When Nancy Keenan, the former president of NARAL/Pro-Choice America, announced her resignation last year, she cited the lack of young pro-abortion leaders as the reason she wanted to step down. This month’s Time magazine headline story dealt with the same problem, claiming that the pro-abortion movement has been losing since 1973.

And last week’s new Planned Parenthood video and talking points on abortion confirm this fact. They don’t want to use the term “pro-choice” anymore because it’s too negatively associated with abortion. You see, they know when abortion is mentioned, their favorability falls. Their goal? Never bring it up.

So, what should be our goal? To bring up abortion in every conversation we can – in church, the grocery store, at school, and at the neighborhood party. To never forget about abortion, no matter how busy our lives may get or how sad or immobilized we become by this immense, overwhelming tragedy.

Friend, it’s time to rise up. Rise up off of your couch, out of your dorm room, or pew. Rise up and dedicate your life to something bigger than yourself.

It is the time for us to tell our stories to our friends and family about how abortion has hurt us. It’s time to paint the vision by telling people what our nation will look like without abortion and how it’s possible. It’s time to seek real justice with those young women and men facing unplanned, crisis pregnancies. It’s time to shine the light of truth, to expose Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry for what they really are.

It’s the time to stand courageously for Life.

Friends, I believe this generation of survivors will see abortion abolished in our lifetime. But it won’t be easy.

“Never give up, for that is just the place and time that the tide will turn.” – Harriet Beecher Stowe

I hope today, on this day of overwhelming sorrow, you will join us. There’s so much you can do.




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I Am Overwhelmed by 55 Million Babies Killed Since Roe v. Wade | LifeNews.com

Don't consider myself pro-either side. If my own girlfriend or wife got pregnant it'd be by deisgn and a 'wanted pregnancy.' Would be against her getting an abortion unless her life or well-being was threatened by it, or in case someone raped her and got her pegnant. But as a matter of legislation, what other people do to their own blood is on their soul, not mine. Have enough going on in my life without minding other people's business.

As an aside it's always seemed strange to me how Republicans are usually the ones against abortion, and Democrats are the ones for it. Dunno for certain, but am of the impression most abortions are to minority women. If Republicans got their way and it became illegal again, wouldn't there be a great increase in minorities and thus Democrats? Isn't having the anti-abortion plank sorta self-defeating?

See there a huge difference between your brain and others,pro life people look at the unborn as people,not voting blocks or us-full tissues.

Its called humanity

Until they are born, then they are domocrat scum takers and their mothers are welfare queens, right? That is until they turn 18 when they can be used as cannon fodder in your neocon wars.
 
Its really a very simple NON-issue. Its none of your business what women choose. That's it. That's all there is to it.

MYOB

It is everyone's business when innocents are being murdered.

Ignorant nonsense and hyperbole.

Abortion is not ‘murder,’ and one is not legally or Constitutionally a person until after he is born.

If you believe abortion is ‘murder,’ then don’t have an abortion.

Otherwise, you’re at liberty to exhibit your ignorance, but you are not at liberty to seek to codify that ignorance, and in this context it is indeed none of your business.
 
Abortion is murder.

And yes, we are at liberty to codify it. And if we do so, that's none of your business...applying your own crap logic.
 
Abortion is the reason why need illegal aliens flooding in here. 55 million people is 1/3 of a generation. The missing third has to come from someplace. They are trucked in illegally.
 
This is where they say:

1. there are too many people anyway
2. you don't want to support their children anyway
3. they have abortion in Israel, don't they?
4. the babies would be deformed monsters!
5. what do you expect raped women to do...turn in the rapists?
6. white people shouldn't adopt black babies!
7. you hate poor people!

its not your business...do shut up already.

Well, you certainly have seen fit to make it your business.. that and pretty much everything else.. you lefties slay me.. you stick your nose in everything and then tell everyone else to butt out.

Sorry PlasticBalls... killing babies is everyone's business.

Seeking to violate citizens’ civil liberties is in no way your ‘business.’
 
Abortion is murder.

And yes, we are at liberty to codify it. And if we do so, that's none of your business...applying your own crap logic.

This doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, unsurprisingly.

But the fact that a North Carolina measure seeking to place an undue burden on citizens’ right to privacy was recently invalidated is indeed proof that you and other authoritarian conservatives are wrong, and may not codify your ignorance and disdain for individual liberty.
 
The authoritarianism is from the judges who are overruling the will of the people of the state.
 
to put this into perspective, the murder rate for aborted babies is a little under 55 times the amount of total US military killed in all wars in our entire history.

United States military casualties of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact, the number of abortions committed since 1973 are in the neighborhood with total fatalities in all of WW2 (estimated 50-85 million).

World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a genocide committed on our own people. The worse genocide in human history. The Holocaust's highest estimate was approx 17 million which is a little over 3x less than abortion. Words can not even begin to describe how appalling that is....
 

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