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And here I thought we wanted to get married because we love each other and want to make a life together til death do us part.
Sheesh....do you really believe that shit you're peddling?
It says sodomy and oral sex is sodomy.
Today's Dictionary Definitions are not Applicable to the Bible...
What does it say in the Bible about a Married Couple Engaging in Oral Sex?...
peace...
So if it is not in the bible it is not a sin?
Does the bible speak of pornography?
Conservatives don't.
Before the religous right hijacked the party, the Republican party NEVER had a religous litmus test.
In fact, we looked down upon those that did.
Probably far before your time.
Conservatism has nothing to do with religous beliefs.
Where do "morals" originate?
From a society, not necessarially a christian one.
Where do "morals" originate?
From a society, not necessarially a christian one.
What makes a society?
Where do "morals" originate?
From a society, not necessarially a christian one.
What makes a society?
I've already refuted it, plus Jesus never spoke a word against it. You're ignoring the question of "What would Jesus do?" just so you don't have to better yourself by ending your bigotry.
How intolerant I am lol, that's cute. You're on here proudly boasting of your bigotry and you call me intolerant. When did I ever say or else about anything? You can be a bigot until the cows come in, it's your own flaw you have to deal with. Doesn't affect me any.
I agree the premise of the thread was wrong, because christians in america are going through a revolutionary change of mindset and better understanding their religion by knowing that Jesus would never advocate for the hate of your brothers and sisters, the way you do.
Christians deserve most of the credit for homosexuals being accepted in american society and not being looked down on, which I'm sure disgusts you.
Yeshua did teach against immoral sexual behavior, as well as lewdness and perversity. You just want to deny the Lord. He would have treated you as he did the religious leaders that tried to trip Him up with petty games.
Can I have a verse where Jesus advocated gay hating? I can provide plenty of verses that state the exact opposite.
How about a verse where Jesus even addresses gays or the act of being gay?
Can I have a verse where Jesus advocated gay hating? I can provide plenty of verses that state the exact opposite.
How about a verse where Jesus even addresses gays or the act of being gay?
Jesus not Hating on things doesn't make them Suddenly OK...
He didn't Hate on Dog Fucking, did he?...
Must be OK then, Correct?...
Do you Think ANY Point you've Attempted to make was a good one so far?...
peace...
Damn, son. You are an idiot.
Dog fucking?
FYI, there were many homosexuals in the day of Jesus. He stated to love thy neighbor.
It is ok to be an atheist if you want to and have no religous or Christian beliefs. Not claiming all atheists hate gays or anything but Christians do not compare others to dog fuckers.
Love thy neighbor. Being Christlike is an action, not a feeling.
Very interesting. Apparently the revisionist historians have always been with us.Literally "sin of Sodom"sodomy Look up sodomy at Dictionary.com
c.1300, from O.Fr. sodomie, from L.L. peccatum Sodomiticum "anal sex," lit. "sin of Sodom," from L. Sodoma (see Sodom).
There were a boatload of sins going on in Sodom. It sounds as if the word sodomy was just a colloquial term for sin in general.
It is really difficult to define meanings of terms in Biblical literature.
From a religious scholar site called Sacred Texts Archive.......
The sin of the city of Sodom was the originally considered to be the violation of the rights of Lot's guests. Defining the 'sin of Sodom' to be male homosexuality was a later interpretation, which was made by medieval Jewish and Christian writers, as a reaction to Pagan acceptance of homosexuality. Near Eastern hospitality, to this day, implies a responsibility to protect guests under one's roof. The fact that Lot was ready to make a huge sacrifice by offering up his virgin daughters to the mob instead of his guests underlines this.
There is abundant Haggadah, ancient Jewish folklore, which tells of the cruelty of Sodom to strangers, and their mistreatment of the poor and homeless. Among other stories, travelers are given gold but not food; when they starve to death, everything is stolen including the gold and the clothes off their backs, and their bodies are left to rot. One of Lot's unfortunate daughters is burned to death for the crime of giving a starving man food. Another woman who assists a poor man is smeared with honey and left to be stung to death by bees. Some of these stories are suffused with dark comedic twists. A poor man is assaulted and robbed. Eliezar, a servant of Abraham, is hit on the head when he intervenes. A judge rules that he must pay his assailant for medical treatment! (Bleeding was considered a surgical procedure). Eliezar then hits the judge on the head, drawing blood, and tells the judge to pay his fine. See Ginzburg's Legends of the Jews and Polano's The Talmud: Selections, for many more stories along the same lines. After reading these, I guarantee you'll be rooting for the Lord to rain down the brimstone on the cities of the plain...
There are also numerous Biblical passages warning about mistreating strangers, (with the story of Lot being implied), for instance this one in the NT: "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares." [Heb. 13:2]
Between the original concept of a violation of the law of hospitality and the medieval focus on a particular sexual act, there is an intermediate stage where Sodom was criticized for other reasons entirely. Where Sodom is mentioned in later books of the Tanach and in the New Testament, it is used as an example of a city which was corrupted by luxury, lacking in values such as charity and humility. Nowhere is this made clearer than in Ezekiel 16:48-50, where Ezekiel, speaking for 'the Lord God', enumerates the sins of Sodom: "Saith the Lord GOD...Behold, this was the iniquity of ... Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness ... neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good".
Note that in this context 'abomination' means human sacrifice and idol worship, not shared tax breaks for long-term same-sex couples, or sexual practices you can see on cable after 10 o'clock. Furthermore, 'abomination' is at the end of the laundry list. The primary sin of Sodom, by this account, was that their society was materialistic, greedy and uncharitable. Social and economic justice is a thread that runs through the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament alike, and it is not difficult to extrapolate this to modern struggles for equality, such as those of LGBT people. When governmental and religious institutions and their leaders perpetuate oppression, it would not be farfetched to say that they are committing the actual sin of Sodom.
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and here's what a poster just said to me (who I'll keep nameless for their sake) and I agree with this person;
"Mal goes thru these cycles of frantic posting about gays...I believe that's when he is trying hard to beat down his own gay urges."
Typically those who bash gays the most, are just gay themselves and they feel insecure about their urges and thus have to make up for it by bashing gays as a means of overcompensating.
and here's what a poster just said to me (who I'll keep nameless for their sake) and I agree with this person;
"Mal goes thru these cycles of frantic posting about gays...I believe that's when he is trying hard to beat down his own gay urges."
Typically those who bash gays the most, are just gay themselves and they feel insecure about their urges and thus have to make up for it by bashing gays as a means of overcompensating.
So, you know that you are wrong about the Savior, you know that you are wrong about homosexual acts being sinful, so you want to 'bear false witness' against those that would proclaim the truth? What a sad, little, tiny person you are.
Damn, this is so easy it is unreal.
The Bible lists 667 sins and does not distinguish between them like you do mal. The penalty for lust is death in the Bible.
Homosexuality is listed as sin the same as the 7 "deadly sins": greed, envy, pride, wrath/anger, lust gluttony and sloth.
I am sure you treat the sin of gluttony the same as you do homosexuality mal.
Of course it is the Old Testament that lists most of these sins. New Testament does not mention homosexuality at all.
And most of these sins are Jewish law. We do not go by religous law in this country.
Something about the United States Constitution.
You need to read Romans 14:4 10, Mark 9:42, Acts 21:28, Numbers 14:2-3, 16:3 mal. Get back to us when you have mastered that.
Matthew said it best: It is a sin to think evil against any of God's children.
Luke got it right: It is a sin to despise your neighbor.
From a society, not necessarially a christian one.
You think morals originate from a society?
So a person alone on an island does not and cannot have a moral sense or code?
LOL
No wonder you're a leftist.
Why would a person need morals if he lived with no one else?
Who would he learn them from?
Sodomy- is an "anal or other copulation-like act, especially between males or between male persons or between human being and animal," and one who practices sodomy is a "sodomite.
1 Corinthians 6:910 as follows:
Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbersnone of these will inherit the kingdom of God.
No homosexuality is not exempt.
Sodomy is condemned.
It includes gays and straights who perform anal sex. It means any anal sex, be it man with man, women with women, men with women or men with any animals,or women with any animals.
Sodomy may be a sin to you....then don't do it. But do NOT create CIVIL laws forcing your sin/no sin beliefs on other law-abiding, tax-paying adults. If it does not hurt others or their rights....it's NONE of your business.
Therefore the only problem God must have with homosexuals is anal sex.
As long as homosexuals are married to each other and don't engage in anal sex they have God's blessing.
That's one possible interpretation. Divorced from the words of the argument and the Bible.
But I dunno.
I'm not only not a Biblical Expert or particularly religious, but as I understand it, the Bible refers to men "laying" with men.
I guess I could Google it to refine the answer. But ... nah.
Anybody could do that.
I'm pretty sure it is men laying with men as if one of them was a woman. That would also imply anal sex.
Even there, all the quotes have to do with anal sex.
The quote from Jesus about sexual immorality more than likely is talking about sex outside of marriage.
It's quite easy. The passages from the bible that have been posted have God being against men having anal sex.
There is nothing in the bible about oral sex.
There is nothing in the bible about what married couples can do.
In other words, anal sex is forbidden. Sex outside of marriage is forbidden.
The bible is pretty clear.
btw, homosexuality among Christians wasn't made illegal until 390 A.D.
It's like this... The Bible doesn't Condone Homosexuality ANYWHERE in it... Front to Back...
It is Sin and Abomination in the Eyes of the Christian God.
Homosexuals can either see what they are doing as Sin, and stop and Repent...
Or find another Book.
Personally, I don't Care, but it's when these Activists are set on Changing a Religion to like what they Choose to do when it so Clearly goes Against it's Teachings...
Go to another fucking Church.
But it's not about that... As with all of these Activists, it's about Forcing People to Embrace their Choice in the Hopes that it will be Validated.
End of List.
peace...
Anal sex is the abomination. Not homosexuality. You can keep stamping your feet and denying it, but it is very clear in the bible.
If same sex marriage didn't exist, why did the Christians feel the need to outlaw it and make it punishable by death around the year 300?Sodomy may be a sin to you....then don't do it. But do NOT create CIVIL laws forcing your sin/no sin beliefs on other law-abiding, tax-paying adults. If it does not hurt others or their rights....it's NONE of your business.
Okay that's stupid.
I also think fornication is a sin. I'm not going to create laws against it.
OR adultery, etc.
We are NOT talking about laws. We are talking about what is considered a sin in the Bible.
Next you will claim we are, because of "gay marriage" blah blah blah.
Sorry, but it is not Christians forcing a change to any laws, IT'S THE GAYS.
Gay marriage has never existed the HISTORY of the world. Go back to Ancient cultures. Look at Greece where homosexuality was touted and encouraged. THERE WAS NEVER A THOUGHT OF MARRIAGE.
As a matter of fact the "normal" relationship in ancient Greece was pedophilia. YES, that's true. Look it up. Pedophilia. Guess where the word pederasty comes from. Bingo! Greece! It means quite literally "love of boys."
That's how it worked most of the times in Greece (for example, cultures like Sparta) An older man, preying on a young boy, and we he got tired of him and wanted another young boy, er I mean decided the boy was ready to "move on," he would find a wife for the "youth." THEN the boy would be married. But it was always to a WOMAN, not another guy.
It's gays who are trying to FORCE LAWS on us, changing the concept of marriage to something that HAS NEVER EXISTED.
Marriage is an institution for raising a family (and just because some couples can't have children doesn't change that. There are always exceptions to the rule, that doesn't CHANGE the rule)
I don't care how you cut it, the ONLY institution were you create a child IS A MAN AND A WOMAN. -- PERIOD!
That sure sounds like Christians forcing laws to me.
So then why do you spend so much time denying gays the sacrament of marriage? If gays are married, sodomy laws and God's wrath would not apply to them.Actually the definition of Sodomy is:
So actually any husband that has ever gotten a hummer from his wife is a sodomite.Merriam-Webster
Definition of SODOMY
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex;
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Except for one thing!
Hebrews 13:4 King James Version
4Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
In other words, just like Vegas, what happens between a married man and a married woman, stays between them. Their bed is undefiled.
Sodomy applies to those outside marriage.
Sodomy may be a sin to you....then don't do it. But do NOT create CIVIL laws forcing your sin/no sin beliefs on other law-abiding, tax-paying adults. If it does not hurt others or their rights....it's NONE of your business.
Okay that's stupid.
I also think fornication is a sin. I'm not going to create laws against it.
OR adultery, etc.
We are NOT talking about laws. We are talking about what is considered a sin in the Bible.
Next you will claim we are, because of "gay marriage" blah blah blah.
Sorry, but it is not Christians forcing a change to any laws, IT'S THE GAYS.
Gay marriage has never existed the HISTORY of the world. Go back to Ancient cultures. Look at Greece where homosexuality was touted and encouraged. THERE WAS NEVER A THOUGHT OF MARRIAGE.
As a matter of fact the "normal" relationship in ancient Greece was pedophilia. YES, that's true. Look it up. Pedophilia. Guess where the word pederasty comes from. Bingo! Greece! It means quite literally "love of boys."
That's how it worked most of the times in Greece (for example, cultures like Sparta) An older man, preying on a young boy, and we he got tired of him and wanted another young boy, er I mean decided the boy was ready to "move on," he would find a wife for the "youth." THEN the boy would be married. But it was always to a WOMAN, not another guy.
It's gays who are trying to FORCE LAWS on us, changing the concept of marriage to something that HAS NEVER EXISTED.
Marriage is an institution for raising a family (and just because some couples can't have children doesn't change that. There are always exceptions to the rule, that doesn't CHANGE the rule)
I don't care how you cut it, the ONLY institution were you create a child IS A MAN AND A WOMAN. -- PERIOD!
I always appreciate people making my case for me. Let's talk about Adultery.
It's one of the BIGGIES in the 10 Commandments....but Adulterers are allowed to marry...and marry...and marry.
People even got killed (ok, women got killed)for Adultery....but there is no DOMA for Adulterers.
There are most likely MORE adulterers in the country than there are gay people....but no religious effort to deprive Adulterers of the rights of marriage.
Adultery is, without a doubt, a CHOICE....but again, no state propositions to take away the right of Adulterers to marry or have children.
Adultery destroys the sanctity of marriage on a daily basis in ALL states...but no one is doing a damn thing to legally put curbs on it.
