Eating catfish is just as sinful as homosexuality

[logical4u]

Being in the world I have lived in for the past 35 years, comparing the homosexuals that I have known and continue to know to dog fuckers, 2nd class citizens and immoral humans would be totally wrong.
I remember playing a lot of quarters for many years and crossed those white lines and then coached many a year. Years later I have learned through the fact that many humans now live who they are. Every one of the folks from that background that I know now are gay are outstanding individuals. They never quit, always were there and worked hard at what they did. They still do.
As a licensed private investigator for 32 years I have worked with attorneys, prosecutors, homicide detectives, police officers, forensic examiners, doctors, nurses, EMTs, other PIs and many others from various professions that are gay. I have seen how they are no different than me or anyone else other than who they fall in love with. When you have worked as many cases for trial as I have you know that it takes a team effort. You do not get very far in life when another team member you work with believes there are folks in the team that actively state that they are immoral, 2nd class citizens and are condemned to hell for being who they are. I vividly remember the APD homicide cop that years ago worked 85 hour weeks solving gthe stalking of a woman at the old Riverside Apartment complex in Atlanta. They believed this case was tied to another murder and his work proved it wasn't but he found the suspect and had the evidence to convict him on the stalking.The cop was gay. Would not meet a finer person ever. And those of us that work in such stress know that you never insult the others that are on the team with nonsense as I see here.
I come from a very large extended family. My wife has 7 brothers and sisters and I have 4. There are over 100 of us with kids and grand kids, neices and nephews, etc. There are a few gays and lesbians. And they are all very well educated and some are professionals and/or have masters degrees.
None of them are immoral, 2nd class people. So when I hear others state that all of the professionals I have known and now work with professionally and others that are family are the same as dog fuckers and label them as 2nd class citizens going to burn in hell as perverts I do not stand by and just listen to it. I fight it at every turn as I know how these people are no different than any other citizen in what really counts.
Again, my world was a competitive one for many years. You stand by and fight for those that have been there with you and paid the price.
Gays and lesbians are good and honest people. They have their bad apples just as the straight population does. America is the land of the free, not the land of religous mandates. Either you stand up and speak for everyone and their rights or you pick and choose who should get what rights, when and how and use The Bible, instead of the law, to make those choices.
True patriots of freedom seek to protect the rights ofeveryone, even those they may despise the most. The weak sit on the sidelines on the frigging bench and point fingers at those they believe to be gay/lesbian and judge them by labeling them as less than human.
To those that flee comes neither power nor glory.

I never said that they were second class citizens. You asked where in the Bible homosexuality was mentioned and saw the scripture where immoral sexual behavior, lewdness, and perversity (any of which would cover homosexual acts). Now you want to lecture us. What a great gimmic you have, you tell us you want evidence, and then you try to make us feel guilty for demonstrating that it is in the Bible.

You want to point out these "great" people that you know, and have known. Oh, how nice. I work with people every day that seem to be upstanding and professional. Truth is, I don't want to learn about their personal lives. Some of what I have discovered, I wish I had not. They smoke dope. They drink too much. They sleep around. One of the homosexuals posted suggestive pictures of themselves and their partner on the internet where others that I work with could see (oh, the crap I heard over that: my response, don't go there).

The point is: homosexual behavior is immoral. Just like when I commit a sin, it is immoral. It is not righteous, it is not just, it is immoral. Difference: I don't cry that nobody loves me and everybody is picking on me when they found out that I did something immoral. It is a "choice" that I made, and I have to live with that decision. I don't tell other people to "quit judging me", I don't tell people "you need to accept me as I am". I apologize. Or I just live with it, and take the shit that "I" earned. If you want to "coddle" sin, go on, suck it up, live with it. Do not ask the rest of us to follow you to the dark side.

 

[uscitizen]

One of the homosexuals posted suggestive pictures of themselves and their partner on the internet where others that I work with could see (oh, the crap I heard over that: my response, don't go there).

Who was the politician that recently posted his private parts on the web?
A homo no doubt?

Homosexuals are jsut like republicans not all of them have their heads up their asses.

 

[koshergrl]

I don't think it works that way us. But if you want to believe it, you go right ahead.

If you are saved, you'll look back on your sinful life, take responsibility for it, and live henceforth according to the Word. And of course nobody on the face of the earth can do that completely or without sin.

But I've never had a preacher tell me that once you're saved you can *start over* in regard to relationships as if you'd never had any in the past...just disregard those unfortunate previous marriages and children and such. It doesn't work that way.

 

[logical4u]

Can I have a verse where Jesus advocated gay hating? I can provide plenty of verses that state the exact opposite.

How about a verse where Jesus even addresses gays or the act of being gay?

Yeshua addressed imoral sex, lewdness and perversity.

Mark 7:17-27 17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")20 He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.'21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.23All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "

Romans 1:27 NIV

In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Ephesians 5:5 NIV

For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Hebrews 13:4 NIV

Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Revelation 21:8 NIV

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

I am not advocating 'gay hating'. I am simply saying the behavior is sinful. I would say that pre-marital sex is sinful. I would say that allowing yourself to become addicted to drugs, alcohol, stealing, or sex is also sinful. The behaviors harm the soul, as well as the body. I have not claimed to be 'without sin', if anything it is just the opposite. I welcome fellow sinners to improve themselves with the grace of the Lord given by the Holy Spirit for those that genuinely ask for the Lord's help to overcome temptation. Only the Savior can do that, not me, not you, not any government law.

You accusing others of hatred is simply a cover, a deceit because there is no righteousness in your actions.

Lol those are your examples? Wow

Like I said, bigots will find and twist any rationalization for continuing their bigotry.

Again with the names? Yawn.

Bigotry implies that you know a better way to live. Please explain to us all a better way to live than to work towards being a good Christian. Demonstrate another way of life that is as beneficial to all that live in that society. Otherwise, get your nose out of the air, it is raining and you are starting to drown.

 

[uscitizen]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Jt_g10Jug]Armageddon!!... the gerbil - YouTube[/ame]

 

[logical4u]

You can proclaim your truth all you want. Just don't be pushing it as secular law on the rest of us. That's what the Muslims do.

Where did I EVER say that homosexual acts should be outlawed???????? Great dodge BTW. Instead of admitting that homosexual acts are sinful, you want to accuse others of trying to persecute you, you are bearing false witness (not a surprise, since you have chosen that lifestyle of which deceit is an important part).

So you don't have a problem with legalized civil marriage for gay couples. Fine. Never mind then.

Correction: I said that LEGISLATING immorality is wrong.

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, though.

 

[uscitizen]

Now I know why many right wingers keep yelling "Armageddon!"

 

[logical4u]

People.

There were and are places where there are people and there is no society: anarchy, tribal law, no society. What makes a society?

Tribal law is part of a society. It's not anarchy. And I'd like you to show us a place where there are people and NO society. Examples plz.

Most of the Continent of Africa. What society butchers its neighbors, and anyone perceived to have wealth?

 

[uscitizen]

There were and are places where there are people and there is no society: anarchy, tribal law, no society. What makes a society?

Tribal law is part of a society. It's not anarchy. And I'd like you to show us a place where there are people and NO society. Examples plz.

Most of the Continent of Africa. What society butchers its neighbors, and anyone perceived to have wealth?

Umm lots of groups in the ME?
And in major US urban areas too.

 

[logical4u]

If a person is re-married and they are not the same person as the one that divorced (they repented, and grew spiritually), then it is not a sin. They are entering that marriage as a "new" person in the eyes of the Lord.

Now that is some heavy duty rationalization.

That is what the person that is getting re-married should have done before considering going into marriage again. They should acknowledge their flaws and try to improve (with the grace of the Lord).

 

[uscitizen]

You are trying to use one part ogf the bible to overrule a part you do not like/agree with.
Hence rationalization.

 

[logical4u]

You are trying to use one part ogf the bible to overrule a part you do not like/agree with.
Hence rationalization.

If you are "forgiven". You are given the Lord's grace to overcome. You are not the same person that made the same mistakes. In many cases, people marry without inviting the Lord into their relationship. Once that marriage fails, they embrace the Lord and His ways; they are no longer the same person.

I did not say that is how it always works. You asked how someone that was divorced could be re-married. I explained how it could work in Christianity. In the NT, the disciples were given the power to forgive sins. A person that is cleansed of their sins, is not the same person that has given themselves over to temptation and ignores the ways of the Lord. They are still responsible for the decisions/choices they made in the past, but in the eyes of the Lord, they are "clean from sin", and can start, fresh.

 

[uscitizen]

So just keep being forgiven and sinnin?

 

[mal]

So just keep being forgiven and sinnin?

Homosexuals can be Christian...

They just have to Acknowlege that in Christianity that the Defiance of God's Natural Design is an Abomination and stop doing it.

Otherwise, find a Faith that Embraces the Deliberate Deviation from what Creates us.



peace...

 

[Gadawg73]

Being in the world I have lived in for the past 35 years, comparing the homosexuals that I have known and continue to know to dog fuckers, 2nd class citizens and immoral humans would be totally wrong.
I remember playing a lot of quarters for many years and crossed those white lines and then coached many a year. Years later I have learned through the fact that many humans now live who they are. Every one of the folks from that background that I know now are gay are outstanding individuals. They never quit, always were there and worked hard at what they did. They still do.
As a licensed private investigator for 32 years I have worked with attorneys, prosecutors, homicide detectives, police officers, forensic examiners, doctors, nurses, EMTs, other PIs and many others from various professions that are gay. I have seen how they are no different than me or anyone else other than who they fall in love with. When you have worked as many cases for trial as I have you know that it takes a team effort. You do not get very far in life when another team member you work with believes there are folks in the team that actively state that they are immoral, 2nd class citizens and are condemned to hell for being who they are. I vividly remember the APD homicide cop that years ago worked 85 hour weeks solving gthe stalking of a woman at the old Riverside Apartment complex in Atlanta. They believed this case was tied to another murder and his work proved it wasn't but he found the suspect and had the evidence to convict him on the stalking.The cop was gay. Would not meet a finer person ever. And those of us that work in such stress know that you never insult the others that are on the team with nonsense as I see here.
I come from a very large extended family. My wife has 7 brothers and sisters and I have 4. There are over 100 of us with kids and grand kids, neices and nephews, etc. There are a few gays and lesbians. And they are all very well educated and some are professionals and/or have masters degrees.
None of them are immoral, 2nd class people. So when I hear others state that all of the professionals I have known and now work with professionally and others that are family are the same as dog fuckers and label them as 2nd class citizens going to burn in hell as perverts I do not stand by and just listen to it. I fight it at every turn as I know how these people are no different than any other citizen in what really counts.
Again, my world was a competitive one for many years. You stand by and fight for those that have been there with you and paid the price.
Gays and lesbians are good and honest people. They have their bad apples just as the straight population does. America is the land of the free, not the land of religous mandates. Either you stand up and speak for everyone and their rights or you pick and choose who should get what rights, when and how and use The Bible, instead of the law, to make those choices.
True patriots of freedom seek to protect the rights ofeveryone, even those they may despise the most. The weak sit on the sidelines on the frigging bench and point fingers at those they believe to be gay/lesbian and judge them by labeling them as less than human.
To those that flee comes neither power nor glory.

I never said that they were second class citizens. You asked where in the Bible homosexuality was mentioned and saw the scripture where immoral sexual behavior, lewdness, and perversity (any of which would cover homosexual acts). Now you want to lecture us. What a great gimmic you have, you tell us you want evidence, and then you try to make us feel guilty for demonstrating that it is in the Bible.

You want to point out these "great" people that you know, and have known. Oh, how nice. I work with people every day that seem to be upstanding and professional. Truth is, I don't want to learn about their personal lives. Some of what I have discovered, I wish I had not. They smoke dope. They drink too much. They sleep around. One of the homosexuals posted suggestive pictures of themselves and their partner on the internet where others that I work with could see (oh, the crap I heard over that: my response, don't go there).

The point is: homosexual behavior is immoral. Just like when I commit a sin, it is immoral. It is not righteous, it is not just, it is immoral. Difference: I don't cry that nobody loves me and everybody is picking on me when they found out that I did something immoral. It is a "choice" that I made, and I have to live with that decision. I don't tell other people to "quit judging me", I don't tell people "you need to accept me as I am". I apologize. Or I just live with it, and take the shit that "I" earned. If you want to "coddle" sin, go on, suck it up, live with it. Do not ask the rest of us to follow you to the dark side.

You are wrong as usual. I am not headed to the dark side.
Unlike you, I lead and shine the light.

 

[Gadawg73]

Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooo, what the hell do you think fornication means????????

I mean you cannot be that ignorant of the Bible. This is NEWS to you that sex outside of marriage is a sin?????????

Good Grief!!!!!!!!!!

Why am *I* required to preach on something that is so damn OBVIOUS to anyone who simply opens up the Bible?

I didn't start a thread claiming people who eat catfish are no different than people who screw around!

Are you now admitting you haven't read the Bible instead of making up more BS? You really should. It's kind of obvious!

WHAT IS the marriage sacrement for if sex outside of marriage is okay? I mean DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good we agree, the Bible says sex outside of marriage is a sin.

So if all sex outside of marriage is a sin, and remarrying breaks one of the Ten Commandments making it the worst kind of sin, why do homophobic bigots ONLY spend their time babbling about the sin of homosexuality?

Why aren't they bashing about 99% of straight people who mess around before marriage or the enormous number of married people who previously divorced?

Why aren't you bigotted against straight people who mess around without a ring?

Yes, all sex outside is sinful. (Are there any people trying to pass legislation saying it isn't so?)

If a person is re-married and they are not the same person as the one that divorced (they repented, and grew spiritually), then it is not a sin. They are entering that marriage as a "new" person in the eyes of the Lord.

Straight people that mess around, just "do it", they don't try to force legislation saying they are "the same" as a married couple.

Homosexual activists are trying to force immorality to be LEGISLATED, not "freely" accepted. It would be like legislating that every time you noticed someone in an adulterous affair, you would have to praise them, publicly. Most of us know right from wrong, and will not interfere with another person's choices if they don't seem to harm anyone. Then again there are a lot of places in this country where people will stop you, if they see you trying to hurt another. Personally, I hope that never changes.

Only YOUR religous beliefs state it is immoral.
You have NO other justification in your claims.
Take that away and homosexuals are not "forcing immorality to be legislated".
And there are millions of religous Chrisians just like me that do not believe homosexuals are immoral in wanting to marry those they love.
Jesus never said a thing about it. ONLY MAN has condemned it and only a few times as old Jewish law and once by Paul.
BTW, calling someone immoral for who they are is a pretty bad thing.

 

[koshergrl]

Being in the world I have lived in for the past 35 years, comparing the homosexuals that I have known and continue to know to dog fuckers, 2nd class citizens and immoral humans would be totally wrong.
I remember playing a lot of quarters for many years and crossed those white lines and then coached many a year. Years later I have learned through the fact that many humans now live who they are. Every one of the folks from that background that I know now are gay are outstanding individuals. They never quit, always were there and worked hard at what they did. They still do.
As a licensed private investigator for 32 years I have worked with attorneys, prosecutors, homicide detectives, police officers, forensic examiners, doctors, nurses, EMTs, other PIs and many others from various professions that are gay. I have seen how they are no different than me or anyone else other than who they fall in love with. When you have worked as many cases for trial as I have you know that it takes a team effort. You do not get very far in life when another team member you work with believes there are folks in the team that actively state that they are immoral, 2nd class citizens and are condemned to hell for being who they are. I vividly remember the APD homicide cop that years ago worked 85 hour weeks solving gthe stalking of a woman at the old Riverside Apartment complex in Atlanta. They believed this case was tied to another murder and his work proved it wasn't but he found the suspect and had the evidence to convict him on the stalking.The cop was gay. Would not meet a finer person ever. And those of us that work in such stress know that you never insult the others that are on the team with nonsense as I see here.
I come from a very large extended family. My wife has 7 brothers and sisters and I have 4. There are over 100 of us with kids and grand kids, neices and nephews, etc. There are a few gays and lesbians. And they are all very well educated and some are professionals and/or have masters degrees.
None of them are immoral, 2nd class people. So when I hear others state that all of the professionals I have known and now work with professionally and others that are family are the same as dog fuckers and label them as 2nd class citizens going to burn in hell as perverts I do not stand by and just listen to it. I fight it at every turn as I know how these people are no different than any other citizen in what really counts.
Again, my world was a competitive one for many years. You stand by and fight for those that have been there with you and paid the price.
Gays and lesbians are good and honest people. They have their bad apples just as the straight population does. America is the land of the free, not the land of religous mandates. Either you stand up and speak for everyone and their rights or you pick and choose who should get what rights, when and how and use The Bible, instead of the law, to make those choices.
True patriots of freedom seek to protect the rights ofeveryone, even those they may despise the most. The weak sit on the sidelines on the frigging bench and point fingers at those they believe to be gay/lesbian and judge them by labeling them as less than human.
To those that flee comes neither power nor glory.

I never said that they were second class citizens. You asked where in the Bible homosexuality was mentioned and saw the scripture where immoral sexual behavior, lewdness, and perversity (any of which would cover homosexual acts). Now you want to lecture us. What a great gimmic you have, you tell us you want evidence, and then you try to make us feel guilty for demonstrating that it is in the Bible.

You want to point out these "great" people that you know, and have known. Oh, how nice. I work with people every day that seem to be upstanding and professional. Truth is, I don't want to learn about their personal lives. Some of what I have discovered, I wish I had not. They smoke dope. They drink too much. They sleep around. One of the homosexuals posted suggestive pictures of themselves and their partner on the internet where others that I work with could see (oh, the crap I heard over that: my response, don't go there).

The point is: homosexual behavior is immoral. Just like when I commit a sin, it is immoral. It is not righteous, it is not just, it is immoral. Difference: I don't cry that nobody loves me and everybody is picking on me when they found out that I did something immoral. It is a "choice" that I made, and I have to live with that decision. I don't tell other people to "quit judging me", I don't tell people "you need to accept me as I am". I apologize. Or I just live with it, and take the shit that "I" earned. If you want to "coddle" sin, go on, suck it up, live with it. Do not ask the rest of us to follow you to the dark side.

You are wrong as usual. I am not headed to the dark side.
Unlike you, I lead and shine the light.

Yeah you do. You're a veritable little ray of sunshine.

 

[uscitizen]

So just keep being forgiven and sinnin?

Homosexuals can be Christian...

They just have to Acknowlege that in Christianity that the Defiance of God's Natural Design is an Abomination and stop doing it.

Otherwise, find a Faith that Embraces the Deliberate Deviation from what Creates us.



peace...

Well now they would not be homosexuals if they did that then would they?
So your post is non sequiter.

 

[Gadawg73]

I never said that they were second class citizens. You asked where in the Bible homosexuality was mentioned and saw the scripture where immoral sexual behavior, lewdness, and perversity (any of which would cover homosexual acts). Now you want to lecture us. What a great gimmic you have, you tell us you want evidence, and then you try to make us feel guilty for demonstrating that it is in the Bible.

You want to point out these "great" people that you know, and have known. Oh, how nice. I work with people every day that seem to be upstanding and professional. Truth is, I don't want to learn about their personal lives. Some of what I have discovered, I wish I had not. They smoke dope. They drink too much. They sleep around. One of the homosexuals posted suggestive pictures of themselves and their partner on the internet where others that I work with could see (oh, the crap I heard over that: my response, don't go there).

The point is: homosexual behavior is immoral. Just like when I commit a sin, it is immoral. It is not righteous, it is not just, it is immoral. Difference: I don't cry that nobody loves me and everybody is picking on me when they found out that I did something immoral. It is a "choice" that I made, and I have to live with that decision. I don't tell other people to "quit judging me", I don't tell people "you need to accept me as I am". I apologize. Or I just live with it, and take the shit that "I" earned. If you want to "coddle" sin, go on, suck it up, live with it. Do not ask the rest of us to follow you to the dark side.

You are wrong as usual. I am not headed to the dark side.
Unlike you, I lead and shine the light.

Yeah you do. You're a veritable little ray of sunshine.

Yeah, you are right, not much of a ray of sunshine at all anymore.
I am no longer that maniac defensive end so I try my best to defend the rights of others no matter who they are.
Bad knee, ankle, really bad shoulder so I carry that torch now.

 

[Sky Dancer]

So just keep being forgiven and sinnin?

Homosexuals can be Christian...

They just have to Acknowlege that in Christianity that the Defiance of God's Natural Design is an Abomination and stop doing it.

Otherwise, find a Faith that Embraces the Deliberate Deviation from what Creates us.



peace...

Nope, homosexuals CAN NOT be Christian, unless they agree to forsake their loved ones and remain celibate.