Eliminate Minimum Wage

[Wyatt earp]

you do know that some union contracts are tied to the minimum wage right? what ever the federal % goes up to they get the same automatic % raise.

No, bear, I did not know that.

Would you be good enough to list the unions whose pay rates are based on minimum wages?

Thanks in advance for educating us about this.

those stats are hard to find out about. last I read 285 thousand workers contracts are tied to it.
Richard Berman: Why Unions Want a Higher Minimum Wage - WSJ.com

guess I had to research it again to prove thys point
Report: Minimum wage increases often trigger raises in union contracts | Washington Free Beacon

Many unions in the retail and service industries haven negotiated provisions into contracts that would boost union salaries in the event of minimum wage increases, according to a study from labor watchdog Center for Union Facts (CUF). “Some union contracts are triggered by raising minimum wage,” CUF Managing Director J. Justin Wilson said. “The workers are going to get an automatic wage hikes in addition to what they would already get.”

 

[nitroz]

Just because someone works for minimum wage doesn't mean they're lazy. What I'm not falling for is your crap.

If they aren't lazy then they are to stupid to get a good job. This means they are still over paid. If a person is lazy or stupid it doesn't justify laws that let him steal from his employer.

Who's stealing? Not the worker. They're just doing as job and getting paid what the LAW mandates. Calling that stealing just proves you're a scumbag.

Republicans like to use that term when they are legally obligated to pay any money of any sort.

 

[Oddball]

If they all went to get better jobs, who would do theirs?.

Illegals....They're doing so already.

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

In my opinion, it doesn't matter what the possible market affect minimum wage laws may have, nor the societal makeup of those who rely on said laws. What should matter, is that such laws are not congruent with the enumerated powers of Congress. And as such, should be repealed.

 

[Wyatt earp]

If they aren't lazy then they are to stupid to get a good job. This means they are still over paid. If a person is lazy or stupid it doesn't justify laws that let him steal from his employer.

Who's stealing? Not the worker. They're just doing as job and getting paid what the LAW mandates. Calling that stealing just proves you're a scumbag.

Republicans like to use that term when they are legally obligated to pay any money of any sort.

all this statement says to me is you are a weak person, who has no skills or talent and needs a Union to help ya. I dont need no Union to get what I want and how did that start? because a owner of a plastic company gave me a chance when I was just 18 years old. we need to get rid of mInium wage laws. I think it would help more then would hurt. these kids deserve a chance that couldnt afford to go to college. isnt that the democrat way?

 

[Supposn]

Bear513, you make the point that many union contracts are pegged to the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar.
Your posts express your opposition to labor organizations.

Your position regarding the numbers of dollars within an agreement that spans years of durations are not actually explicit. Are you opposed to their being expressed as indexed rather than finite numbers of U.S. dollars?

The purchasing value of the U.S. dollar is not a constant. I’m a strong proponent that dollars refereed to within laws, regulations or commercial agreements that extend further than a year’s duration be expressed as adjusted rather than finite numbers of dollars. It is best for all concerned. Of course how U.S. dollars are expressed within commercial agreements are not a legal concern of our nation's government).

[Social security retirement benefits are now annually adjusted to comply with the U.S. Bureau of labor Statistic’s cost-price index- urban, (i.e. CPI-U)].

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[lynn63]

Currently employers have the upper hand since there are so many people looking for work and getting rid of the minimum wage requirement would be interesting to see how this would work out.

 

[Supposn]

It seems to me that if almost 97% of hourly wage earners make more than minimum wage that we really don't need to be worried about it.

Skull Pilot, transcript of response #141:

Oddball, the minimum rate significantly affects no less than 20% of full time wage earners.

The minimum rate extremely significantly affects the least earning fifth of USA’s full time wage earners.

The minimum rate affects ALL wage and salary rates but it doesn’t affect them all equally. Its proportional effect is inversely to the differences between tasks’ pay scales and the minimum rate. Lesser paying jobs benefit proportionally more and higher paying jobs benefit proportionally less due to the minimum rate; but they do ALL benefit to some extent.
Proportionally, (due to the minim wage rate) the greatest reductions of wage scales exceeding the median wage are hardly perceivable. The reductions become more apparent as we scan down from the median wage.

The minimum rate very much affects wage rates approaching the minimum rate. You incorrectly underestimate the minimum's affect upon the median and all lesser incomes. The minimum rate extremely affects, (I believe no less than) the least earning fifth of USA’s full time wage earners.

The families of the working poor, (those that can least afford the reductions) experience the greatest proportional reduction of their wages’ purchasing powers.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Supposn]

Eliminating the federal minimum wage laws would increase poverty of individuals and families; it would be an economically net detrimental to our nation.

Lmao. no it wouldnt, If you think if we eliminated the minimum wage, all companys would pay their employees $2 bucks an hour? your a fool....And we already give low wage workers food stamps and aid. so whats the differance if we get rid of mw completely? and like I posted before, Union membership would rise if all companys started low balling employee wages.

Bear513, yes I do believe that if the federal minimum wage were eliminated and not suitably replaced, the indefinite market driven purchasing value would soon be reduced below today's purchasing power of $2.

Refer to the first post upon the thread of
http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/232006-consequences-of-repealing-minimum-wage-rates.html

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[TruthOut10]

Ever since the liberals invented minimum wage laws the welfare leeches that couldn't get a free ride from the tax payers have depended on minimum wage laws. This makes the government force employers to overpay the lazy workers who would be sitting at home if they could. Instead of more of Obama's socialism by raising the minimum wage we should eliminate the minimum wage all together. This would bring prices down and let higher wage earners be able to afford a better lifestyle. It would raise profits and best of all it would motivate the lazy welfare leeches to go find better jobs that pay more if they want to survive. The liberals will boo hoo and cry for the poor but that is because most of them are the bums that are to lazy to go find a decent job and want to live off the hard working conservatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/b...income-distribution.html?partner=yahoofinance

The truly sad part is that you're so partisan with dumbass party loyalty that you and people like you constantly vote against your own pocket book interests time and time again.

How fooking stupid is that? Really, do you not understand what you're trying to sell to others on this board. The person who wrote this article probably is living pretty got damn comfortable, but yet for some reason you think you're on equal footing with him and have the nerve to come on this board spouting this bullshit.

Wake up, use your own damn brain for a hot second and think with it.

 

[OnePercenter]

Currently employers have the upper hand since there are so many people looking for work and getting rid of the minimum wage requirement would be interesting to see how this would work out.

Employees will get fucked......and not in the good way.

 

[The Rabbi]

Currently employers have the upper hand since there are so many people looking for work and getting rid of the minimum wage requirement would be interesting to see how this would work out.

Employees will get fucked......and not in the good way.

Yeah, given an opportunity to work and earn money instead of sitting around on 99 weeks unemployment. A royal fucking for sure.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It seems to me that if almost 97% of hourly wage earners make more than minimum wage that we really don't need to be worried about it.

Skull Pilot, transcript of response #141:

Oddball, the minimum rate significantly affects no less than 20% of full time wage earners.

The minimum rate extremely significantly affects the least earning fifth of USA’s full time wage earners.

The minimum rate affects ALL wage and salary rates but it doesn’t affect them all equally. Its proportional effect is inversely to the differences between tasks’ pay scales and the minimum rate. Lesser paying jobs benefit proportionally more and higher paying jobs benefit proportionally less due to the minimum rate; but they do ALL benefit to some extent.
Proportionally, (due to the minim wage rate) the greatest reductions of wage scales exceeding the median wage are hardly perceivable. The reductions become more apparent as we scan down from the median wage.

The minimum rate very much affects wage rates approaching the minimum rate. You incorrectly underestimate the minimum's affect upon the median and all lesser incomes. The minimum rate extremely affects, (I believe no less than) the least earning fifth of USA’s full time wage earners.

The families of the working poor, (those that can least afford the reductions) experience the greatest proportional reduction of their wages’ purchasing powers.

Respectfully, Supposn

Who Earns Minimum Wage? A Statistical Profile

•Most minimum wage earners are young. While 2.2% of all hourly workers earn minimum wage or less, just 1.4% of workers over the age of 25 are paid at or below the Federal minimum wage. More than half (51.2%) of minimum wage workers are between 16 and 24 years old. Another 21.2% are between 25 and 34.
•Most minimum wage earners work in food service. Nearly two-thirds of those paid minimum wage (or less) are food service workers. Many of these people receive supplemental income in the form of tips, which the government does not track.

 

[Oddball]

It seems to me that if almost 97% of hourly wage earners make more than minimum wage that we really don't need to be worried about it.

Skull Pilot, transcript of response #141:

Oddball, the minimum rate significantly affects no less than 20% of full time wage earners.

The minimum rate extremely significantly affects the least earning fifth of USA’s full time wage earners.

The minimum rate affects ALL wage and salary rates but it doesn’t affect them all equally. Its proportional effect is inversely to the differences between tasks’ pay scales and the minimum rate. Lesser paying jobs benefit proportionally more and higher paying jobs benefit proportionally less due to the minimum rate; but they do ALL benefit to some extent.
Proportionally, (due to the minim wage rate) the greatest reductions of wage scales exceeding the median wage are hardly perceivable. The reductions become more apparent as we scan down from the median wage.

The minimum rate very much affects wage rates approaching the minimum rate. You incorrectly underestimate the minimum's affect upon the median and all lesser incomes. The minimum rate extremely affects, (I believe no less than) the least earning fifth of USA’s full time wage earners.

The families of the working poor, (those that can least afford the reductions) experience the greatest proportional reduction of their wages’ purchasing powers.

Respectfully, Supposn

I call bullshit.

Source?

 

[OnePercenter]

Currently employers have the upper hand since there are so many people looking for work and getting rid of the minimum wage requirement would be interesting to see how this would work out.

Employees will get fucked......and not in the good way.

Yeah, given an opportunity to work and earn money instead of sitting around on 99 weeks unemployment. A royal fucking for sure.

Employee costs are a subsidized expense for employers. It doesn't matter whether an employee is paid existing minimum wage or $2.00 an hour, effectively it ends up being the same. Do the math.

Setting precedent of no minimum wage will kill the middle class by making wage disproportionate greater than the Republicans have done.

But then again, your probably one of those 'I've got mine so fuck the rest of them' sociopaths.

 

[zeke]

Easy to understand why the scum sucking right wingers want a decrease in minimum wage. They want more and more low wage people to qualify for food stamps and other government support, thereby giving them even more people to bitch about. More on food stamps, more receiving ALL their paid income taxes in a refund. All those things they really get upset about.

I mean just think about it; right now the right wing hacks are apopletic about the number of people receiving help. Decrease the minimum wage and wft do they think will happen?
Prosperity will break out all over the land. LMAO.

 

[Oddball]

Employees will get fucked......and not in the good way.

Yeah, given an opportunity to work and earn money instead of sitting around on 99 weeks unemployment. A royal fucking for sure.

Employee costs are a subsidized expense for employers. It doesn't matter whether an employee is paid existing minimum wage or $2.00 an hour, effectively it ends up being the same. Do the math.

Pure crap....TNSTASFL.

Setting precedent of no minimum wage will kill the middle class by making wage disproportionate greater than the Republicans have done.

Economically illiterate swill.

But then again, your probably one of those 'I've got mine so fuck the rest of them' sociopaths.

Project much?

 

[OnePercenter]

Yeah, given an opportunity to work and earn money instead of sitting around on 99 weeks unemployment. A royal fucking for sure.

Employee costs are a subsidized expense for employers. It doesn't matter whether an employee is paid existing minimum wage or $2.00 an hour, effectively it ends up being the same. Do the math.

Pure crap....TNSTASFL.

Setting precedent of no minimum wage will kill the middle class by making wage disproportionate greater than the Republicans have done.

Economically illiterate swill.

But then again, your probably one of those 'I've got mine so fuck the rest of them' sociopaths.

Project much?

Show me where I'm wrong.

 

[Oddball]

Employee costs are a subsidized expense for employers. It doesn't matter whether an employee is paid existing minimum wage or $2.00 an hour, effectively it ends up being the same. Do the math.

Pure crap....TNSTASFL.

Economically illiterate swill.

But then again, your probably one of those 'I've got mine so fuck the rest of them' sociopaths.

Project much?

Show me where I'm wrong.

That's not how it works, Gomer....You show where you're right.

But since you have such a warped perception of even the most elementary concepts, like "subsidy", I have little hope of getting anything more than dopey leftbat platitudes, bromides and yapping points out of you.

 

[dblack]

Support for the minimum wage law is usually based on the delusion that it guarantees low-wage earners a dignfied income. But that's not the nature of the law. It doesn't promise anyone a job earning a decent wage. It just tells them that if they can't find a job paying the established minimum, they're not allowed to work at all. That's fucked up.