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I call bullshit
The military worked during the shutdown and their officers clubs and golf courses funded by NAF were open
Certainly doesn't sound correct according to this ONE report .... [snip]Officials at Pope Field said the effect of the shutdown could be felt for a year. About 1,200 Reserve airmen at Pope were unable to work or train during the shutdown, and maintenance projects piled up, officials said.
The Army-funded Airborne & Special Operations Museum in downtown Fayetteville was closed during the shutdown as part of Fort Bragg's nonessential operations. The post's two commissaries also were closed.[/snip]
http://www.fayobserver.com/article_ee232f51-2e66-5fb6-bc04-df434e26fa54.html
Commissaries closed but you say officers clubs and golf courses remained open? We simply can't believe a word a subversive says!
http://www.fayobserver.com/article_ee232f51-2e66-5fb6-bc04-df434e26fa54.html
Wow....you figured out how the Google worked
I am proud of you
What stayed open during the Republican shutdown and what closed depended on funding. Comissaries are funded by congress. Anything related to morale are NAF.
Damn.....you are learning a lot since you joined this board aren't ya?
If this doesn't suggest that our unconstitutional putative president doesn't respect our WW2 vets and servicemen, then I don't know what to say. If alive today, my father and other family members who served in WW2 would not appreciate the disrespect this putative president has shown towards our courageous servicemen who fought to protect the Constitution and the integrity of this nation that is on the brink of disaster today. What we have is a administration full of blatant criminals who engaged in a act of aggression towards these hero's of the Pacific and European theater. The framers of the Constitution, namely Article 2 Section 1, wanted a natural born citizen as a future president for the sole purpose of having allegiance to the United States of America and it's armed forces. What liberals have put in office the last 6 years is a man who's birth was governed by the British Act of 1948 due to his father being a British subject with allegiance to the British Crown. That concept has given us a putative president born with dual allegiances and total disrespect for this nations principles and the veterans of the greatest generation who sacrificed to save this country from tyranny. Again, how disgusting and disrespectful.
Emails Reveal Obama Admin Shut Down WW II Memorial Knowing Vets Were Coming
Given that the memorial cost way more money to close than keep open, it's clear that it was done out of spite. Obama wanted to inflict the most pain on people and chose things accordingly. He wanted states to lose money on popular tourist locations. Some states wanted to reopen places, on their dime, and were refused.
Both parties were involved in the dispute that led to the sequester, but I think the Dems wanted it and were planning for it. Signs went up immediately, meaning they were already ordered in advance. Instead of minimizing damage, the Dems sought to hurt as many as possible. The Dems welcomed the closings and the media dutifully placed all blame on the Republicans.
Ummmmmm...whoop de do
I have seen the course at Ft Gordon and seen courses at other military bases that are pretty shitty.
Regardless they were built with taxpayer dollars and operated as NAF. During the Republican shutdown, the Military stayed on the job and they had access to their golf courses.
During the Republucan shutdown, the mall was open, the monuments were closed
So now the USGA is WRONG stating The Department of Defense oversees more than 150 golf facilities at military installations around the world...... we believe you subversive, we really do!
Only 150?
I thought it would be higher. Every rinky dink base I have been to has some type of golf course. Even 9 holes par 3.
Those courses are NAF funded. While you are busy with the Google, can you find a single one that isn't?
If this doesn't suggest that our unconstitutional putative president doesn't respect our WW2 vets and servicemen, then I don't know what to say. If alive today, my father and other family members who served in WW2 would not appreciate the disrespect this putative president has shown towards our courageous servicemen who fought to protect the Constitution and the integrity of this nation that is on the brink of disaster today. What we have is a administration full of blatant criminals who engaged in a act of aggression towards these hero's of the Pacific and European theater. The framers of the Constitution, namely Article 2 Section 1, wanted a natural born citizen as a future president for the sole purpose of having allegiance to the United States of America and it's armed forces. What liberals have put in office the last 6 years is a man who's birth was governed by the British Act of 1948 due to his father being a British subject with allegiance to the British Crown. That concept has given us a putative president born with dual allegiances and total disrespect for this nations principles and the veterans of the greatest generation who sacrificed to save this country from tyranny. Again, how disgusting and disrespectful.
Emails Reveal Obama Admin Shut Down WW II Memorial Knowing Vets Were Coming
Given that the memorial cost way more money to close than keep open, it's clear that it was done out of spite. Obama wanted to inflict the most pain on people and chose things accordingly. He wanted states to lose money on popular tourist locations. Some states wanted to reopen places, on their dime, and were refused.
Both parties were involved in the dispute that led to the sequester, but I think the Dems wanted it and were planning for it. Signs went up immediately, meaning they were already ordered in advance. Instead of minimizing damage, the Dems sought to hurt as many as possible. The Dems welcomed the closings and the media dutifully placed all blame on the Republicans.
What stayed open during the Republican shutdown and what closed did not depend on cost but whether it was an essential government function or nonessential
Guess what?
Parks were found to be nonessential
Given that the memorial cost way more money to close than keep open, it's clear that it was done out of spite. Obama wanted to inflict the most pain on people and chose things accordingly. He wanted states to lose money on popular tourist locations. Some states wanted to reopen places, on their dime, and were refused.
Both parties were involved in the dispute that led to the sequester, but I think the Dems wanted it and were planning for it. Signs went up immediately, meaning they were already ordered in advance. Instead of minimizing damage, the Dems sought to hurt as many as possible. The Dems welcomed the closings and the media dutifully placed all blame on the Republicans.
What stayed open during the Republican shutdown and what closed did not depend on cost but whether it was an essential government function or nonessential
Guess what?
Parks were found to be nonessential
They are essential to local economies, though that is something that tends to go over the heads of liberals. And states wanted to open them and pay for it, but the feds said no.
The whole sequester was staged and unnecessary. The Dems could give a rat's ass about saving tax payer money.
One park was opened for some illegal immigrants to protest. That was considered necessary by the administration.
Given that the memorial cost way more money to close than keep open, it's clear that it was done out of spite. Obama wanted to inflict the most pain on people and chose things accordingly. He wanted states to lose money on popular tourist locations. Some states wanted to reopen places, on their dime, and were refused.
Both parties were involved in the dispute that led to the sequester, but I think the Dems wanted it and were planning for it. Signs went up immediately, meaning they were already ordered in advance. Instead of minimizing damage, the Dems sought to hurt as many as possible. The Dems welcomed the closings and the media dutifully placed all blame on the Republicans.
What stayed open during the Republican shutdown and what closed did not depend on cost but whether it was an essential government function or nonessential
Guess what?
Parks were found to be nonessential
They are essential to local economies, though that is something that tends to go over the heads of liberals. And states wanted to open them and pay for it, but the feds said no.
The whole sequester was staged and unnecessary. The Dems could give a rat's ass about saving tax payer money.
One park was opened for some illegal immigrants to protest. That was considered necessary by the administration.
What stayed open during the Republican shutdown and what closed did not depend on cost but whether it was an essential government function or nonessential
Guess what?
Parks were found to be nonessential
They are essential to local economies, though that is something that tends to go over the heads of liberals. And states wanted to open them and pay for it, but the feds said no.
The whole sequester was staged and unnecessary. The Dems could give a rat's ass about saving tax payer money.
One park was opened for some illegal immigrants to protest. That was considered necessary by the administration.
All one has to do is take an unbiased look at what was closed and how it was closed and it's OBVIOUS that this was done as part of political theater to make the government shut down as painful for the American people as possible while blaming it all on the GOP.
What stayed open during the Republican shutdown and what closed did not depend on cost but whether it was an essential government function or nonessential
Guess what?
Parks were found to be nonessential
They are essential to local economies, though that is something that tends to go over the heads of liberals. And states wanted to open them and pay for it, but the feds said no.
The whole sequester was staged and unnecessary. The Dems could give a rat's ass about saving tax payer money.
One park was opened for some illegal immigrants to protest. That was considered necessary by the administration.
Let me explain how it works
During a sequester Congress tells an agency ...cut your budget 10%
Given that many expenditures are already committed, they slash payroll. Decisions are based on cost
The parks were closed during the Republican shutdown. This means that agencies are not authorized to expend funds. But in shutting down government, even Congress understands you can't allow people to die or assets remain unprotected. So congress allows essential functions to remain open during a shutdown
Now, guess whether parks are considered essential or nonessential functions?
They are essential to local economies, though that is something that tends to go over the heads of liberals. And states wanted to open them and pay for it, but the feds said no.
The whole sequester was staged and unnecessary. The Dems could give a rat's ass about saving tax payer money.
One park was opened for some illegal immigrants to protest. That was considered necessary by the administration.
All one has to do is take an unbiased look at what was closed and how it was closed and it's OBVIOUS that this was done as part of political theater to make the government shut down as painful for the American people as possible while blaming it all on the GOP.
How is closing a park painful?
Another misleading thread by SG. Obama personally shutdown the monument in the face of visiting vets? No. You don't get to pass blame for this. The shutdown occured due to the actions of the far-right wing of the GOP who apparently control the House. You wanted the shutdown. Own it.
Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.
There is really nothing complicated about the facts.
The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going except for ObamaCare.
This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.
As for the House of Representatives' right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.
Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.
ObamaCare is indeed "the law of the land," as its supporters keep saying, and the Supreme Court has upheld its Constitutionality.
But the whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution.
The hundreds of thousands of government workers who have been laid off are not idle because the House of Representatives did not vote enough money to pay their salaries or the other expenses of their agencies unless they are in an agency that would administer ObamaCare.
Since we cannot read minds, we cannot say who if anybody "wants to shut down the government." But we do know who had the option to keep the government running and chose not to. The money voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government does, except for ObamaCare.
The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a "clean" bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word "clean" like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?
If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.
You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.
When Barack Obama keeps claiming that it is some new outrage for those who control the money to try to change government policy by granting or withholding money, that is simply a bald-faced lie. You can check the history of other examples of "legislation by appropriation" as it used to be called.
Whether legislation by appropriation is a good idea or a bad idea is a matter of opinion. But whether it is both legal and not unprecedented is a matter of fact.
I saw that during National Lampoons Vacation. If you are a Griswald, it is very painful. You may even take a bb gun and force your way in. It could get under your skin and get infected.All one has to do is take an unbiased look at what was closed and how it was closed and it's OBVIOUS that this was done as part of political theater to make the government shut down as painful for the American people as possible while blaming it all on the GOP.
How is closing a park painful?
When you're in the middle of your vacation camping trip at a National Park and a Park Ranger drives up and tells you to pack up and leave because the park is closed? THAT would fit the very definition of "painful".
I saw that during National Lampoons Vacation. If you are a Griswald, it is very painful. You may even take a bb gun and force your way inHow is closing a park painful?
When you're in the middle of your vacation camping trip at a National Park and a Park Ranger drives up and tells you to pack up and leave because the park is closed? THAT would fit the very definition of "painful".
But most people just bitch about how inept Republicans in Congress are and come back in a couple of weeks
What IS painful about a Republican shutdown is sending employees home who are involved in cancer research, defense, veterans services and hundreds of other government functions.
They actually went as far as to close down scenic overlooks with orange traffic cones so that tourists could pull over and take pictures of Mount Rushmore. The Governor of South Dakota had to protest vigorously to get them reopened. That's the level of "pettiness" that the Obama White House brought to this.
They are essential to local economies, though that is something that tends to go over the heads of liberals. And states wanted to open them and pay for it, but the feds said no.
The whole sequester was staged and unnecessary. The Dems could give a rat's ass about saving tax payer money.
One park was opened for some illegal immigrants to protest. That was considered necessary by the administration.
Let me explain how it works
During a sequester Congress tells an agency ...cut your budget 10%
Given that many expenditures are already committed, they slash payroll. Decisions are based on cost
The parks were closed during the Republican shutdown. This means that agencies are not authorized to expend funds. But in shutting down government, even Congress understands you can't allow people to die or assets remain unprotected. So congress allows essential functions to remain open during a shutdown
Now, guess whether parks are considered essential or nonessential functions?
The government shut down was NOT the sequester, Winger. You need to keep your talking points straight! Congress did not tell the Obama White House what to shut down and what to keep open...those were choices made BY THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE and it's very instructive if you look at what they chose and how quickly it happened. This was something they had obviously planned. Someone in this White House sat down and drew up lists of things they thought would irritate the average American citizen if it was no longer available and then they shut THOSE things down.
Again.. Why are we arguing the benefits pro/con on the shutdown of parks, furloughs, etc?
The money was never returned to Washington.
There was no cost savings
-Geaux
