Erasing Southern Pride: U.S. Army War College Removing Confederate Generals Portraits

[bigrebnc1775]

Would that be the original photo or the photo shopped one?

the one that you said was taken in Philadelphia

Where do you see that in the original? Please point it out. The reason I ask is because it says US not CS.

An examination of the foreground and background in Figure 4 reveals that the patterned floor and wall coverings visible in Figure 1 have been digitally erased or painted over. A Union belt buckle (with the block letters “US&#8221, is faintly visible on the sixth black soldier from the left in Figure 1; however, because Figure 4 is a lower resolution derivative, the belt buckle on the same soldier (now the fifth from the left) is obscured. (It stretches credulity to suppose that Confederate soldiers would be photographed wearing belt buckles of the Federal Army!)

So again you expect people to believe that a white confederate soldier took a photo with a Union uniform on with Black confederate soldiers wearing Union uniforms in Philly?

Second soldier from the left buckle appears to be CS the third from left appears to be U.S.
Dude educate yourself on the subject,You could find confederate soldiers at any period of the war wearing portions of union uniforms.
Shermans march to the sea union troops wore what they could find in the field even off dead confederate soldiers, because union supply lines could not keep up with Sherman's march.

 

[Asclepias]

the one that you said was taken in Philadelphia

Where do you see that in the original? Please point it out. The reason I ask is because it says US not CS.

An examination of the foreground and background in Figure 4 reveals that the patterned floor and wall coverings visible in Figure 1 have been digitally erased or painted over. A Union belt buckle (with the block letters “US”), is faintly visible on the sixth black soldier from the left in Figure 1; however, because Figure 4 is a lower resolution derivative, the belt buckle on the same soldier (now the fifth from the left) is obscured. (It stretches credulity to suppose that Confederate soldiers would be photographed wearing belt buckles of the Federal Army!)

So again you expect people to believe that a white confederate soldier took a photo with a Union uniform on with Black confederate soldiers wearing Union uniforms in Philly?

Second soldier from the left buckle appears to be CS the third from left appears to be U.S.
Dude educate yourself on the subject,You could find confederate soldiers at any period of the war wearing portions of union uniforms.
Shermans march to the sea union troops wore what they could find in the field even off dead confederate soldiers, because union supply lines could not keep up with Sherman's march.

The original photo was taken in Philly. How did that happen if these were confederate soldiers?

 

[Asclepias]

Going on about the image means to keep bringing it up as a topic of discussion you are the one doing that.
OK LET'S do what I should have done first. Second and third soldier front left, the second one has a belt buckle that looks like it says CS the third one has a belt buckle that has US on it.
CS being Confederate States, U.S. being United States.
Now why would a union soldier have a Confederate belt buckle on?

Would that be the original photo or the photo shopped one?

the one that you said was taken in Philadelphia

I didnt say it. The people who took the photo documented it. Can you explain that?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Including the labor force of black slaves as combat or combat support troops, in a high school or college history report, would invalidate troop numbers and ratios.

This is one of the more stupid OPs of this year.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You made the 100,000 wide spread support for the union in the south claim.

I informed you about that because you don't know much about US History.

You informed me that you're a stupid clueless fuck
Now about those 100,000 troops, were they the contraband troops?

Reported for trolling your own thread.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Where do you see that in the original? Please point it out. The reason I ask is because it says US not CS.



So again you expect people to believe that a white confederate soldier took a photo with a Union uniform on with Black confederate soldiers wearing Union uniforms in Philly?

Second soldier from the left buckle appears to be CS the third from left appears to be U.S.
Dude educate yourself on the subject,You could find confederate soldiers at any period of the war wearing portions of union uniforms.
Shermans march to the sea union troops wore what they could find in the field even off dead confederate soldiers, because union supply lines could not keep up with Sherman's march.

The original photo was taken in Philly. How did that happen if these were confederate soldiers?

Because maybe you were misinformed? Because it wasn't taken in Phile. maybe?

 

[Yurt]

I informed you about that because you don't know much about US History.

You informed me that you're a stupid clueless fuck
Now about those 100,000 troops, were they the contraband troops?

Reported for trolling your own thread.

the board's most famous tattle tale strikes again

go run the mods jake, you whiny tattle tale

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Would that be the original photo or the photo shopped one?

the one that you said was taken in Philadelphia

I didnt say it. The people who took the photo documented it. Can you explain that?

I can't explain why you said in this thread it was taken in Phile.

 

[Intense]

First Google Search........


Retouching History:
The Modern Falsification of a Civil War Photograph
Jerome S. Handler and Michael L. Tuite, Jr. [1]

Introduction

“In the past decade,” the Yale historian David Blight has recently written, “the neo-Confederate fringe of Civil War enthusiasm . . . has contended that thousands of African Americans, slave and free, willingly joined the Confederate war effort as soldiers and fought for their ‘homeland’ . . . . Slaves’ fidelity to their masters’ cause - - a falsehood constructed to support claims that the war was not about slavery - - has long formed one of the staple arguments in Lost Cause ideology.” [2]

In this paper we discuss a graphic example of Blight’s contention by examining a Civil War-era posed studio photograph of black Union soldiers with a white officer. We maintain that this photograph has been deliberately falsified in recent years by an unknown person/s sympathetic to the Confederacy. This falsified or fabricated photo, purporting to be of the 1st Louisiana Native Guards (Confederate), has been taken to promote Neo-Confederate views, to accuse Union propagandists of duplicity, and to show that black soldiers were involved in the armed defense of the Confederacy. As of the date of this website this photograph is being sold on the web by an on-line retailer, confederate flags, confederate clothing, rebel stickers featured at www.RebelStore.com, which promotes itself as “The Internet’s Original Rebel Store,” and advertises this photograph as a legitimate photo of “Members of the first all Black Confederate Unit organized in New Orleans in 1861.” [3]
The Photograph

In a photographic studio somewhere in Philadelphia, probably in early 1864, a group of black Union soldiers posed for a rather somber photograph with a white officer. We know nothing of this group, but it may have formed part of a unit that had been recently formed in the union army [4]. In his preliminary emancipation proclamation of September 1862, President Lincoln announced that the federal government would enroll African-American soldiers as of New Year’s Day 1863. By June of that year, a committee of prominent Philadelphians had been appointed to raise black regiments. By the war’s end the federal government had raised 166 black units of infantry, cavalry and artillery totaling 185,000 combatants. Eleven of these units had been formed at Camp William Penn, “the largest camp existing for the organization and disciplining of Colored Troops,” located in Chelten Hills (now Cheltenham Township, just outside the northern city limit of Philadelphia). The white officers commanding the troops were trained under the auspices of the Free Military School for the Command of Colored Troops established in Philadelphia in 1863. [5]

Black Union Soldiers - Louisiana Native Guard - Photo Falsification

 

[bigrebnc1775]

First Google Search........


Retouching History:
The Modern Falsification of a Civil War Photograph
Jerome S. Handler and Michael L. Tuite, Jr. [1]

Introduction

“In the past decade,” the Yale historian David Blight has recently written, “the neo-Confederate fringe of Civil War enthusiasm . . . has contended that thousands of African Americans, slave and free, willingly joined the Confederate war effort as soldiers and fought for their ‘homeland’ . . . . Slaves’ fidelity to their masters’ cause - - a falsehood constructed to support claims that the war was not about slavery - - has long formed one of the staple arguments in Lost Cause ideology.” [2]

In this paper we discuss a graphic example of Blight’s contention by examining a Civil War-era posed studio photograph of black Union soldiers with a white officer. We maintain that this photograph has been deliberately falsified in recent years by an unknown person/s sympathetic to the Confederacy. This falsified or fabricated photo, purporting to be of the 1st Louisiana Native Guards (Confederate), has been taken to promote Neo-Confederate views, to accuse Union propagandists of duplicity, and to show that black soldiers were involved in the armed defense of the Confederacy. As of the date of this website this photograph is being sold on the web by an on-line retailer, confederate flags, confederate clothing, rebel stickers featured at www.RebelStore.com, which promotes itself as “The Internet’s Original Rebel Store,” and advertises this photograph as a legitimate photo of “Members of the first all Black Confederate Unit organized in New Orleans in 1861.” [3]
The Photograph

In a photographic studio somewhere in Philadelphia, probably in early 1864, a group of black Union soldiers posed for a rather somber photograph with a white officer. We know nothing of this group, but it may have formed part of a unit that had been recently formed in the union army [4]. In his preliminary emancipation proclamation of September 1862, President Lincoln announced that the federal government would enroll African-American soldiers as of New Year’s Day 1863. By June of that year, a committee of prominent Philadelphians had been appointed to raise black regiments. By the war’s end the federal government had raised 166 black units of infantry, cavalry and artillery totaling 185,000 combatants. Eleven of these units had been formed at Camp William Penn, “the largest camp existing for the organization and disciplining of Colored Troops,” located in Chelten Hills (now Cheltenham Township, just outside the northern city limit of Philadelphia). The white officers commanding the troops were trained under the auspices of the Free Military School for the Command of Colored Troops established in Philadelphia in 1863. [5]

Black Union Soldiers - Louisiana Native Guard - Photo Falsification

I heard that already but can't hide the CS belt buckle front row second soldier from the left.

OH by the way the native guard was black that should even be up for debate.

 

[Intense]

First Google Search........


Retouching History:
The Modern Falsification of a Civil War Photograph
Jerome S. Handler and Michael L. Tuite, Jr. [1]

Introduction

“In the past decade,” the Yale historian David Blight has recently written, “the neo-Confederate fringe of Civil War enthusiasm . . . has contended that thousands of African Americans, slave and free, willingly joined the Confederate war effort as soldiers and fought for their ‘homeland’ . . . . Slaves’ fidelity to their masters’ cause - - a falsehood constructed to support claims that the war was not about slavery - - has long formed one of the staple arguments in Lost Cause ideology.” [2]

In this paper we discuss a graphic example of Blight’s contention by examining a Civil War-era posed studio photograph of black Union soldiers with a white officer. We maintain that this photograph has been deliberately falsified in recent years by an unknown person/s sympathetic to the Confederacy. This falsified or fabricated photo, purporting to be of the 1st Louisiana Native Guards (Confederate), has been taken to promote Neo-Confederate views, to accuse Union propagandists of duplicity, and to show that black soldiers were involved in the armed defense of the Confederacy. As of the date of this website this photograph is being sold on the web by an on-line retailer, confederate flags, confederate clothing, rebel stickers featured at www.RebelStore.com, which promotes itself as “The Internet’s Original Rebel Store,” and advertises this photograph as a legitimate photo of “Members of the first all Black Confederate Unit organized in New Orleans in 1861.” [3]
The Photograph

In a photographic studio somewhere in Philadelphia, probably in early 1864, a group of black Union soldiers posed for a rather somber photograph with a white officer. We know nothing of this group, but it may have formed part of a unit that had been recently formed in the union army [4]. In his preliminary emancipation proclamation of September 1862, President Lincoln announced that the federal government would enroll African-American soldiers as of New Year’s Day 1863. By June of that year, a committee of prominent Philadelphians had been appointed to raise black regiments. By the war’s end the federal government had raised 166 black units of infantry, cavalry and artillery totaling 185,000 combatants. Eleven of these units had been formed at Camp William Penn, “the largest camp existing for the organization and disciplining of Colored Troops,” located in Chelten Hills (now Cheltenham Township, just outside the northern city limit of Philadelphia). The white officers commanding the troops were trained under the auspices of the Free Military School for the Command of Colored Troops established in Philadelphia in 1863. [5]

Black Union Soldiers - Louisiana Native Guard - Photo Falsification

I heard that already but can't hide the CS belt buckle front row second soldier from the left.

OH by the way the native guard was black that should even be up for debate.

in fairness, consider that the buckle could have been issued him, or it could just as easily been a trophy.

 

[rightwinger]

the one that you said was taken in Philadelphia

Where do you see that in the original? Please point it out. The reason I ask is because it says US not CS.

An examination of the foreground and background in Figure 4 reveals that the patterned floor and wall coverings visible in Figure 1 have been digitally erased or painted over. A Union belt buckle (with the block letters “US&#8221, is faintly visible on the sixth black soldier from the left in Figure 1; however, because Figure 4 is a lower resolution derivative, the belt buckle on the same soldier (now the fifth from the left) is obscured. (It stretches credulity to suppose that Confederate soldiers would be photographed wearing belt buckles of the Federal Army!)

So again you expect people to believe that a white confederate soldier took a photo with a Union uniform on with Black confederate soldiers wearing Union uniforms in Philly?

Second soldier from the left buckle appears to be CS the third from left appears to be U.S.
Dude educate yourself on the subject,You could find confederate soldiers at any period of the war wearing portions of union uniforms.
Shermans march to the sea union troops wore what they could find in the field even off dead confederate soldiers, because union supply lines could not keep up with Sherman's march.

All the soldiers appear to have US belt buckles. All the shoes are standard issue. The officer is holding a Union cavalry saber. This picture is of union soldiers

 

[Asclepias]

Where do you see that in the original? Please point it out. The reason I ask is because it says US not CS.



So again you expect people to believe that a white confederate soldier took a photo with a Union uniform on with Black confederate soldiers wearing Union uniforms in Philly?

Second soldier from the left buckle appears to be CS the third from left appears to be U.S.
Dude educate yourself on the subject,You could find confederate soldiers at any period of the war wearing portions of union uniforms.
Shermans march to the sea union troops wore what they could find in the field even off dead confederate soldiers, because union supply lines could not keep up with Sherman's march.

All the soldiers appear to have US belt buckles. All the shoes are standard issue. The officer is holding a Union cavalry saber. This picture is of union soldiers

Bigreds dying words will be that the photo is of Black confederate soldiers. He is willfully ignorant.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

First Google Search........


Retouching History:
The Modern Falsification of a Civil War Photograph
Jerome S. Handler and Michael L. Tuite, Jr. [1]

Introduction

“In the past decade,” the Yale historian David Blight has recently written, “the neo-Confederate fringe of Civil War enthusiasm . . . has contended that thousands of African Americans, slave and free, willingly joined the Confederate war effort as soldiers and fought for their ‘homeland’ . . . . Slaves’ fidelity to their masters’ cause - - a falsehood constructed to support claims that the war was not about slavery - - has long formed one of the staple arguments in Lost Cause ideology.” [2]

In this paper we discuss a graphic example of Blight’s contention by examining a Civil War-era posed studio photograph of black Union soldiers with a white officer. We maintain that this photograph has been deliberately falsified in recent years by an unknown person/s sympathetic to the Confederacy. This falsified or fabricated photo, purporting to be of the 1st Louisiana Native Guards (Confederate), has been taken to promote Neo-Confederate views, to accuse Union propagandists of duplicity, and to show that black soldiers were involved in the armed defense of the Confederacy. As of the date of this website this photograph is being sold on the web by an on-line retailer, confederate flags, confederate clothing, rebel stickers featured at www.RebelStore.com, which promotes itself as “The Internet’s Original Rebel Store,” and advertises this photograph as a legitimate photo of “Members of the first all Black Confederate Unit organized in New Orleans in 1861.” [3]
The Photograph

In a photographic studio somewhere in Philadelphia, probably in early 1864, a group of black Union soldiers posed for a rather somber photograph with a white officer. We know nothing of this group, but it may have formed part of a unit that had been recently formed in the union army [4]. In his preliminary emancipation proclamation of September 1862, President Lincoln announced that the federal government would enroll African-American soldiers as of New Year’s Day 1863. By June of that year, a committee of prominent Philadelphians had been appointed to raise black regiments. By the war’s end the federal government had raised 166 black units of infantry, cavalry and artillery totaling 185,000 combatants. Eleven of these units had been formed at Camp William Penn, “the largest camp existing for the organization and disciplining of Colored Troops,” located in Chelten Hills (now Cheltenham Township, just outside the northern city limit of Philadelphia). The white officers commanding the troops were trained under the auspices of the Free Military School for the Command of Colored Troops established in Philadelphia in 1863. [5]

Black Union Soldiers - Louisiana Native Guard - Photo Falsification

I heard that already but can't hide the CS belt buckle front row second soldier from the left.

OH by the way the native guard was black that should even be up for debate.

in fairness, consider that the buckle could have been issued him, or it could just as easily been a trophy.

In 1864 union regulations would have forbidden in from wearing the buckle.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

In all fairness why would non combative black troops be kept as POW'S ?

 

[Publius1787]

In all fairness why would non combative black troops be kept as POW'S ?

Cheap Labor

 

[JakeStarkey]

You informed me that you're a stupid clueless fuck
Now about those 100,000 troops, were they the contraband troops?

Reported for trolling your own thread.

the board's most famous tattle tale strikes again

go run the mods jake, you whiny tattle tale

So you gave up the title huh?

And you are Off Topic. Neither bigrebnc nor Yurt apparently understand just what were the relationships of the Union army on the march and in consolidation of conquered territory and the introduction and care and use of contraband.

 

[Unkotare]

Now about those 100,000 troops, were they the contraband troops?

I have already answered that question several times. Learn how to read, you illiterate fuck.

I asked you were they contraband troops. You haven't answered that question yet

Here's a quick quiz: What is the first word in the following quote, idiot?

"No, 'historian.' Did you repeat that often enough to feel stupid now or should I have given you a little more rope?"


Just how fucking stupid are you?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

In all fairness why would non combative black troops be kept as POW'S ?

Cheap Labor

So they kept them darkies as slaves?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I have already answered that question several times. Learn how to read, you illiterate fuck.

I asked you were they contraband troops. You haven't answered that question yet

Here's a quick quiz: What is the first word in the following quote, idiot?

"No, 'historian.' Did you repeat that often enough to feel stupid now or should I have given you a little more rope?"


Just how fucking stupid are you?

Were the 100,000 wide spread support for the union in the Confederacy troops contraband troops?