Erasing Southern Pride: U.S. Army War College Removing Confederate Generals Portraits

[eagle1462010]

During the Civil War what border states were slave states

Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware and Maryland were border states that remained in the union but still allowed slavery. The state legislatures of Kentucky, Delaware and Maryland voted to remain. Missouri voted to leave the union but union troops stormed the state capital and installed a pro union government to insure they remained with the union. Prior to the Emancipation Proclamation captured slaves were returned to their masters in Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware and Maryland and in fact there are records of the Union Army conducting slave auctions in the border states.

These states fought in the Union, but also allowed Slavery. This didn't change until near the end of the War.

The last four States to Secede only did so after Lincoln called up an army, and after Lincoln was going to march Union troops through these states......................That was the tipping point for them..............

 

[JimBowie1958]

During the Civil War what border states were slave states

Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware and Maryland were border states that remained in the union but still allowed slavery. The state legislatures of Kentucky, Delaware and Maryland voted to remain. Missouri voted to leave the union but union troops stormed the state capital and installed a pro union government to insure they remained with the union. Prior to the Emancipation Proclamation captured slaves were returned to their masters in Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware and Maryland and in fact there are records of the Union Army conducting slave auctions in the border states.

These states fought in the Union, but also allowed Slavery. This didn't change until near the end of the War.

The last four States to Secede only did so after Lincoln called up an army, and after Lincoln was going to march Union troops through these states......................That was the tipping point for them..............

Grant himself allowed slavery, lol, and had two through most of the war as personal servants.

 

[paperview]

So the North had elected Lincoln all by their lonesome with not a single Southern electoral vote.

Yeah. The South were such dicks, they didn't even allow him on the ballot - still, Lincoln won.

Ft Sumter was fired upon in response to Lincoln having the new tariff enforced from that fort in Charleston harbor. Though the South had formally left the Union, the North still wanted to collect its tariffs. So the Southerners took over the fort.

Lincoln uses this incident as provocation to justify invading these Southern states, and in response four more seceded, Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas and North Carolina.

But still somehow, it was ALL ABOUT SLAVERY?

Tariff bullshit again. It was about Slavery, full, front and center.

But don't listen to me, listen to all these states actually telling us why they were seceding

Hang on...sorry for the long one here folks:

Louisiana:

"Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity...

The people of Louisiana would consider it a most fatal blow to African slavery, if Texas either did not secede or having seceded should not join her destinies to theirs in a Southern Confederacy. If she remains in the union the abolitionists would continue their work of incendiarism and murder. Emigrant aid societies would arm with Sharp's rifles predatory bands to infest her northern borders. The Federal Government would mock at her calamity in accepting the recent bribes in the army bill and Pacific railroad bill, and with abolition treachery would leave her unprotected frontier to the murderous inroads of hostile savages....

That constitution the Southern States have never violated, and taking it as the basis of our new government we hope to form a slave-holding confederacy that will secure to us and our remotest posterity the great blessings its authors designed in the Federal Union. With the social balance wheel of slavery to regulate its machinery, we may fondly indulge the hope that our Southern government will be perpetual."

Geo. Williamson
Commissioner of the State of Louisiana
City of Austin Feby 11th 1861.
Address of George Williamson to the Texas Secession Convention
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The plea from South Carolina to the other southern states:

"We prefer, however, our system of industry, by which labor and capital are identified in interest, and capital, therefore, protects labor; by which our population doubles every twenty years; by which starvation is unknown, and abundance crowns the land; by which order is preserved by unpaid police, and the most fertile regions of the world where the Caucasian cannot labor are brought into usefulness by the labor of the African, and the whole world is blessed by our own productions....

We ask you to join us in forming a confederacy of Slaveholding States."
Address of South Carolina to Slaveholding States by Convention of South Carolina
Texas:

The States of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa, by solemn legislative enactments, have deliberately, directly or indirectly violated the 3rd clause of the 2nd section of the 4th article [the fugitive slave clause] of the federal constitution, and laws passed in pursuance thereof; thereby annulling a material provision of the compact, designed by its framers to perpetuate the amity between the members of the confederacy and to secure the rights of the slave-holding States in their domestic institutions-- a provision founded in justice and wisdom, and without the enforcement of which the compact fails to accomplish the object of its creation. Some of those States have imposed high fines and degrading penalties upon any of their citizens or officers who may carry out in good faith that provision of the compact, or the federal laws enacted in accordance therewith.

"In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.
Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union​

Speech to Tennessee Legislature by the Governor:

In discharge of official duty, I had occasion, within the past year, to demand of the Governor of Ohio " a person charged in the State (of Tennessee) with the crime " of slave stealing, who had fled from justice, and was found in the State of Ohio.' The Governor refused to issue his warrant for the arrest and delivery of the fugitive, and in answer to a letter of inquiry which I addressed to him, said: 'The crime of negro stealing not being known to either the common law or the criminal code of Ohio, it is not of that class of crimes contemplated by the Federal Constitution, for the commission of which I am authorized, as the executive of Ohio, to surrender a fugitive from the justice of a sister State, and hence I declined to issue a warrant," &c.; thus deliberately nullifying and setting at defiance the clause of the Constitution above quoted, as well as the act of Congress of February 12th, 1793, and grossly violating the ordinary comity existing between separate and independent nations, much less the comity which should exist between sister States of the same great Confederacy; the correspondence connected with which is herewith transmitted.
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It has, through the executive authority of other States, denied extradition of murderers and marauders.
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It obtained its own compromise in the Constitution to continue the importation of slaves, and now sets up a law, higher than the Constitution, to destroy this property imported and sold to us by their fathers.

It has caused the murder of owners in pursuit of their fugitive slaves, and shielded the murderers from punishment.

It has, upon many occasions, sent its emissaries into the Southern States to corrupt our slaves; induce them to run off, or excite them to insurrection.

It has run off slave property by means of the "underground railroad," amounting in value to millions of dollars, and thus made the tenure by which slaves are held in the border States so precarious as to materially impair their value.
Alabama."
Speech of Tennessee Governor Isham G. Harris for Secession
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(I particularly like this speech; if slavery was abolished and slaves set free, then Whites would be forced to commit murder!):

ALABAMA:

"I wish, Mr. President, to express the feelings with which I vote for the secession of Alabama from the Government of the United States; and to state, in a few words, the reasons that impel me to this act.

I feel impelled, Mr. President, to vote for this Ordinance by an overruling necessity. Years ago I was convinced that the Southern States would be compelled either to separate from the North, by dissolving the Federal Government, or they would be compelled to abolish the institution of African Slavery. This, in my judgment, was the only alternative; and I foresaw that the South would be compelled, at some day, to make her selection. The day is now come, and Alabama must make her selection, either to secede from the Union, and assume the position of a sovereign, independent State, or she must submit to a system of policy on the part of the Federal Government that, in a short time, will compel her to abolish African Slavery.
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Mr. President, if pecuniary loss alone were involved in the abolition of slavery, I should hesitate long before I would give the vote I now intend to give. If the destruction of slavery entailed on us poverty alone, I could bear it, for I have seen poverty and felt its sting. But poverty, Mr. President, would be one of the least of the evils that would befall us from the abolition of African slavery. There are now in the slaveholding States over four millions of slaves; dissolve the relation of master and slave, and what, I ask, would become of that race? To remove them from amongst us is impossible. History gives us no account of the exodus of such a number of persons. We neither have a place to which to remove them, nor the means of such removal. They therefore must remain with us; and if the relation of master and slave be dissolved, and our slaves turned loose amongst us without restraint, they would either be destroyed by our own hands-- the hands to which they look, and look with confidence, for protection-- or we ourselves would become demoralized and degraded. The former result would take place, and we ourselves would become the executioners of our own slaves. To this extent would the policy of our Northern enemies drive us; and thus would we not only be reduced to poverty, but what is still worse, we should be driven to crime, to the commission of sin; and we must, therefore, this day elect between the Government formed by our fathers (the whole spirit of which has been perverted), and POVERTY AND CRIME!
Speech of E.S. Dargan Secession Convention of Alabama 1861
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South Carolina:

Quote:
The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due." [Fugitive Slave Clause]

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them.
In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.
Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

Mississippi:

Quote:
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Mississippi Secession

Georgia:

For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery...

All these classes saw this and felt it and cast about for new allies. The anti-slavery sentiment of the North offered the best chance for success. An anti-slavery party must necessarily look to the North alone for support, but a united North was now strong enough to control the Government in all of its departments, and a sectional party was therefore determined upon. Time and issues upon slavery were necessary to its completion and final triumph. The feeling of anti-slavery, which it was well known was very general among the people of the North, had been long dormant or passive; it needed only a question to arouse it into aggressive activity. This question was before us. We had acquired a large territory by successful war with Mexico; Congress had to govern it; how, in relation to slavery, was the question then demanding solution. This state of facts gave form and shape to the anti-slavery sentiment throughout the North and the conflict began. Northern anti-slavery men of all parties asserted the right to exclude slavery from the territory by Congressional legislation and demanded the prompt and efficient exercise of this power to that end. This insulting and unconstitutional demand was met with great moderation and firmness by the South...
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The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races, disregard of all constitutional guarantees in its favor, were boldly proclaimed by its leaders and applauded by its followers.

With these principles on their banners and these utterances on their lips the majority of the people of the North demand that we shall receive them as our rulers.

But they know the value of parchment rights in treacherous hands, and therefore they refuse to commit their own to the rulers whom the North offers us. Why? Because by their declared principles and policy they have outlawed $3,000,000,000 of our property** in the common territories of the Union; put it under the ban of the Republic in the States where it exists and out of the protection of Federal law everywhere; because they give sanctuary to thieves and incendiaries who assail it to the whole extent of their power, in spite of their most solemn obligations and covenants; because their avowed purpose is to subvert our society and subject us not only to the loss of our property but the destruction of ourselves, our wives, and our children, and the desolation of our homes, our altars, and our firesides. To avoid these evils we resume the powers which our fathers delegated to the Government of the United States, and henceforth will seek new safeguards for our liberty, equality, security, and tranquility.
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**property = humans
Georgia Declarations of Causes of Seceding States Civil War

Confederate Constitution Secession Articles of American Civil War

 

[asaratis]

Another attack on White History as well as American history. Fox News is reporting the US Army War College is considering removing portraits of Confederate Generals. An unidentified administrator is wondering why we honor these Americans.

Please, call or write to the US Army War College to voice why these portraits are a part of American History and should be preserved (be kind and considerate and just voice your concern).

US Army War College considers removing prints depicting Robert E. Lee, Confederate generals | Fox News

Military brilliance is as objective as it gets. If anything, General Lee and Jackson is an inspiration to all who study military history and tactics. Together, they broke every rule in the book of military conventional wisdom. Especially with the laws of attrition in mind, they are among the top Generals ever to have walked the face of the earth. To take their portraits down would be a disgrace to the military profession.

That is quite true. Both were brilliant tacticians and leaders.

So was Rommel. Should we hang his portrait there as well?

A study of great and effective Generals can be found in history books. The Army War College cannot change history. Though his reputation was tarnished by his association with the KKK, Nathan Bedford Forrest was an innovative leader and should be studied.

Our War College has likely been taken over by liberal numbnuts.

 

[JimBowie1958]

So the North had elected Lincoln all by their lonesome with not a single Southern electoral vote.

Yeah. The South were such dicks, they didn't even allow him on the ballot - still, Lincoln won.

Ah, your love of history and its fulfillment of your life is written all over that statement...lol, NOT. At lest your broke your posturing.

Ft Sumter was fired upon in response to Lincoln having the new tariff enforced from that fort in Charleston harbor. Though the South had formally left the Union, the North still wanted to collect its tariffs. So the Southerners took over the fort.

Lincoln uses this incident as provocation to justify invading these Southern states, and in response four more seceded, Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas and North Carolina.

But still somehow, it was ALL ABOUT SLAVERY?

Tariff bullshit again. It was about Slavery, full, front and center.

Lol, acting like the Mighty Oracle of Truth again. You do realize that that is what is called an unwarranted assertion, and I can just as easily rebut it; IT WAS NOT ABOUT SLAVERY!

See and I used all caps so I win, lol, you infantile dunce.

But don't listen to me, listen to all these states actually telling us why they were seceding...

You can take a million quotes out of their historical context and make them say anything you want them to. Didn't they teach you that in critical thinking class, or is that a requirement for hysterians any more?

Known FACTS: the South left the union. Lincoln then invaded the South to preserve the Union. The South fought back- thus we had a war.

Ending slavery was used as a device to defeat the South, and not used until Lincoln was certain it would help rather than harm the primary cause he invaded the South - PRESERVING THE UNION, duh.

 

[rightwinger]

So the Army War College decides to rearrange the pictures on their wall and the rightwing media goes into a frenzy

 

[JimBowie1958]

So the Army War College decides to rearrange the pictures on their wall and the rightwing media goes into a frenzy

Thus demonstrating once again how rightwinger is among the dullest of trolls.

 

[paperview]

You can take a million quotes out of their historical context and make them say anything you want them to.

You can take a million quotes of the Southerners saying their most vested interest was in slavery, as well as their Declarations of Independence, and their Constitution -- and it adds up to: Slavery. It's what mattered most.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Paperview, I must admit I was looking forward to debating the causes of the war with you, judging from all the hoopla and ass kissing you receive from the libtards around here and at least one respectable sort.

But so far you have not answered a single one of my questions. I have to admit that I am completely unimpressed with your legend.

Does this mean we aren't friends? I don't know if I can take the thought that we are not friends.

roflmao

 

[JimBowie1958]

You can take a million quotes out of their historical context and make them say anything you want them to.

You can take a million quotes of the Southerners saying their most vested interest was in slavery, as well as their Declarations of Independence, and their Constitution -- and it adds up to: Slavery. It's what mattered most.

In your unwarranted opinion.

hohum, this is easier than responding to rightwinger.

You should be blushing right now.

 

[asaratis]

Another attack on White History as well as American history. Fox News is reporting the US Army War College is considering removing portraits of Confederate Generals. An unidentified administrator is wondering why we honor these Americans.

Please, call or write to the US Army War College to voice why these portraits are a part of American History and should be preserved (be kind and considerate and just voice your concern).

US Army War College considers removing prints depicting Robert E. Lee, Confederate generals | Fox News

Military brilliance is as objective as it gets. If anything, General Lee and Jackson is an inspiration to all who study military history and tactics. Together, they broke every rule in the book of military conventional wisdom. Especially with the laws of attrition in mind, they are among the top Generals ever to have walked the face of the earth. To take their portraits down would be a disgrace to the military profession.

That is quite true. Both were brilliant tacticians and leaders.

So was Rommel. Should we hang his portrait there as well?

I see no reason to hang his portrait...but it makes sense to study his tactics. Had he not run out of gas, he might have won his territory.

I suspect that the removal of the Southern Generals' portraits is being orchestrated by sniveling, pantywaist, liberal Yankees who can't tolerate praise of superior intelligence exhibited by those that did not conform with their model citizen template. Self righteousness personified.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You can take a million quotes out of their historical context and make them say anything you want them to.

You can take a million quotes of the Southerners saying their most vested interest was in slavery, as well as their Declarations of Independence, and their Constitution -- and it adds up to: Slavery. It's what mattered most.

Are you going to run away again?
Blacks fighting for the south?
blacks fighting for the republic of Texas war with Mexico non slave holding country
Blacks fighting for the colonies war with England promised slaves they would be granted freedom if they fought for the crown

 

[paperview]

Yeah. Obviously, tariffs. lol

Stephan Dodson Ramseur, Confederate general: "...Slavery, the very source of our existence, the greatest blessing both for Master & Slave that could have been bestowed upon us."

Albert Gallatin Brown, U.S. Senator from Mississippi, December 27, 1860: "Mr. President, it seems to me that northern Senators most pertinaciously overlook the main point at issue between the two sections of our Confederacy. We claim that there is property in slaves, and they deny it. Until we shall settle, upon some basis, that point of controversy, it is idle to talk of going any further."

Richmond Enquirer, 1856: "Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves . . . freedom is not possible without slavery."

Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing."

G. T. Yelverton, of Coffee County, Alabama, speaking to the Alabama Secession Convention on January 25, 1861: "The question of Slavery is the rock upon which the Old Government split: it is the cause of secession."

John B. Baldwin, Augusta County delegate to the Virginia Secession Convention, March 21, 1861: "I say, then, that viewed from that standpoint, there is but one single subject of complaint which Virginia has to make against the government under which we live; a complaint made by the whole South, and that is on the subject of African slavery...."

 

[NoNukes]

Military brilliance is as objective as it gets. If anything, General Lee and Jackson is an inspiration to all who study military history and tactics. Together, they broke every rule in the book of military conventional wisdom. Especially with the laws of attrition in mind, they are among the top Generals ever to have walked the face of the earth. To take their portraits down would be a disgrace to the military profession.

That is quite true. Both were brilliant tacticians and leaders.

So was Rommel. Should we hang his portrait there as well?

I see no reason to hang his portrait...but it makes sense to study his tactics. Had he not run out of gas, he might have won his territory.

I suspect that the removal of the Southern Generals' portraits is being orchestrated by sniveling, pantywaist, liberal Yankees who can't tolerate praise of superior intelligence exhibited by those that did not conform with their model citizen template. Self righteousness personified.

So, you think that liberals control the War College too. This is not a Conspiracy Theory thread.

 

[paperview]

Let's look at the

Address of South Carolina to Slaveholding States by Convention of South Carolina

Yes, Taxation is addressed, but a better portion of it deals with how important their slaves were to them in the whole matter. In fact, in their actual Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union, pretty much most of it was about Slavery. Yes, they addressed what they saw as constitutional transgressions, but these centered around ...what? The constitutional protections of slavery!

But let's look at that Address:

"[At the time the Constitution was written] There was then, no Tariff � no fanaticism concerning negroes.

It was the delegates from New England, who proposed in the Convention which framed the Constitution, to the delegates from South Carolina and Georgia, that if they would agree to give Congress the power of regulating commerce by a majority, that they would support the extension of the African Slave Trade for twenty years.

African Slavery, existed in all the States, but one. The idea, that the Southern States would be made to pay that tribute to their Northern confederates, which they had refused to pay to Great Britain; or that the institution of African slavery, would be made the grand basis of a sectional organization of the North to rule the South, never crossed the imaginations of our ancestors. The Union of the Constitution, was a union of slaveholding States. It rests on slavery, by prescribing a Representation in Congress for three�fifths of our slaves."
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The believed the Union rested on Slavery. They believed the Founders never could have imagined any proposed abolition of the system of bondage and their way of life.

"But if African slavery in the Southern States, be the evil their political combination affirms it to be, the requisitions of an inexorable logic, must lead them to emancipation. If it is right, to preclude or abolish slavery in a territory�why should it be allowed to remain in the States? The one is not at all more unconstitutional than the other, according to the decisions of the Supreme Court of the United States. And when it is considered, that the Northern States will soon have the power to make that Court what they please, and that the Constitution has never been any barrier whatever to their exercise of power�what check can there be, in the unrestrained councils of the North, to emancipation?
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In Ironies of Ironies, above they cite the Dred Scott decision, the one that states even Free Blacks could never be and never were Citizens of this country. ..
More than of third of the populace of the South were Non-Citizens, yet they carry on about Freedom and Liberty, Contentment and Happiness:

"Indeed, no people ever expect to preserve its rights and liberties, unless these be in its own custody. To plunder and oppress, where plunder and oppression can be practiced with impunity, seems to be the natural order of things. The fairest portions of the world elsewhere, have been turned into wilderness; and the most civilized and prosperous communities, have been impoverished and ruined by anti�slavery fanaticism. ...
The very object of all Constitutions, in free popular Government, is to restrain the majority. Constitutions, therefore, according to their theory, must be most unrighteous inventions, restricting liberty.
....Contentment, is a great element of happiness, with nations as with individuals. We, are satisfied with ours.​

What they were concerned about, more than anything, was losing their free labor and subjugating their Non-Citizens, their Africans :

"We prefer, however, our system of industry, by which labor and capital are identified in interest, and capital, therefore, protects labor
�by which our population doubles every twenty years�by which starvation is unknown, and abundance crowns the land�by which order is preserved by unpaid police, and the most fertile regions of the world, where the white man cannot labor, are brought into usefulness by the labor of the African..."

 

[JimBowie1958]

Yeah. Obviously, tariffs. lol

Stephan Dodson Ramseur, Confederate general: "...Slavery, the very source of our existence, the greatest blessing both for Master & Slave that could have been bestowed upon us."

Albert Gallatin Brown, U.S. Senator from Mississippi, December 27, 1860: "Mr. President, it seems to me that northern Senators most pertinaciously overlook the main point at issue between the two sections of our Confederacy. We claim that there is property in slaves, and they deny it. Until we shall settle, upon some basis, that point of controversy, it is idle to talk of going any further."

Richmond Enquirer, 1856: "Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves . . . freedom is not possible without slavery."

Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing."

G. T. Yelverton, of Coffee County, Alabama, speaking to the Alabama Secession Convention on January 25, 1861: "The question of Slavery is the rock upon which the Old Government split: it is the cause of secession."

John B. Baldwin, Augusta County delegate to the Virginia Secession Convention, March 21, 1861: "I say, then, that viewed from that standpoint, there is but one single subject of complaint which Virginia has to make against the government under which we live; a complaint made by the whole South, and that is on the subject of African slavery...."

Factoid quotes absent a framework of reason that they support are out of context quotes being used out of any context.

Surely you can do better than this.

It would be a simple thing to list a bunch of 'it isn't about slavery' quotes from Lincoln, but the simple fact that Lincoln invaded the South thus causing the South to fight back is what caused the war. And Lincoln invaded the South to preserve the union.

Really, paperview, this is boring.

 

[JimBowie1958]

That is quite true. Both were brilliant tacticians and leaders.

So was Rommel. Should we hang his portrait there as well?

I see no reason to hang his portrait...but it makes sense to study his tactics. Had he not run out of gas, he might have won his territory.

I suspect that the removal of the Southern Generals' portraits is being orchestrated by sniveling, pantywaist, liberal Yankees who can't tolerate praise of superior intelligence exhibited by those that did not conform with their model citizen template. Self righteousness personified.

So, you think that liberals control the War College too. This is not a Conspiracy Theory thread.

Who said the left had to control the War College for this to happen, idiot?

 

[paperview]

You can take a million quotes out of their historical context and make them say anything you want them to.

You can take a million quotes of the Southerners saying their most vested interest was in slavery, as well as their Declarations of Independence, and their Constitution -- and it adds up to: Slavery. It's what mattered most.

Are you going to run away again?
Blacks fighting for the south?

I never ran away before.

You just keep repeating the same silly shit, and can't accept the answer.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/8266034-post493.html<---where you brought it up again, and I answered you -- in a Nelson Mandela thread, no less.

blacks fighting for the republic of Texas war with Mexico non slave holding country
Blacks fighting for the colonies war with England promised slaves they would be granted freedom if they fought for the crown

Birther idiot remains stuck on stupid ^^^

 

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