Euthanasia

[rightwinger]

If I ever get that old and sick, I would like the option of a graceful death

 

[PoliticalChic]

If I ever get that old and sick, I would like the option of a graceful death

I was about to go for the 'low hanging fruit..'...but I don't wish death on anyone.

 

[PoliticalChic]

At the center of their beliefs, whether it be Stalin, Hitler, Zeke Emanuel, Obama, or George Bernard Shaw....

...Leftists have no problem with the deaths of other human beings.....simply 'breaking a few eggs to make an omelette....'

Why do you think Progressives were so gung-ho about eugenics???

 

[rightwinger]

Jack Kevorkian was right

 

[PratchettFan]

What is morality with God?

Answer: It is whatever YOU think it is with someone else to blame it on.

Let's pretend that you actually have the ability to form a considered opinion based on the thread to which you've- seemingly- responded.

Do you imagine that believers would endorse euthanasia?

I was responding to a post. Believers in what? A believer in personal freedom, for example, would not deny someone the right to decide their own fate. Can you be more specific?

Sure.

A more careful reading would reveal that it is murder when any of those in charge decide on when the killing should take place.

"Believers in what?"

Don't pretend density.

Yes, believers in what? Is that too difficult a question? I know all kinds of believers and I don't want to assume we are talking about the same thing.

By "careful" I am guess you mean "selective". If someone is dying slowly from a painful disease and they beg you to help them end their suffering, that is euthanasia. To deny them the right to make that decision, to deny them that mercy, and then call it moral? I'm not quite sure what to call that.

Can't you read the words right in front of you????

Someone else pulls the plug because they decided you've been in the hospital bed long enough.


Here it is again, dope:

"A Reutersnews article that was written by Anthony Boadle and published on March 28 has reported that Dr. Virginia Soares de Souza has been charged with 7 counts of murder and may have killed 300 patients in order to, reportedly, “free-up” beds. (Doesn’t that sound familier) It has been suggested that de Souza could be one of the world’s worst serial killers.

Several years ago I heard a talk by a Dutch physician who did euthanasia. He referred to the patients who werenearing death, but not dying quickly, as “bed blockers.”I was shocked that he suggested, so plainly, how euthanasia was solvingthe problem of the “bed blocker”."
Doctor Killed 300 Patients in Euthanasia to Free Up Hospital Beds LifeNews.com

Yes, I certainly can read them. I also read the title of the thread. You did write the thread title, did you not? You understand that the title of thread is typically what the thread is about? Again, I don't want to assume you grasp these concepts.

Euthanasia is defined by Websters as: the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of hopelessly sick or injured individuals (as persons or domestic animals) in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy.

What you are presenting as examples of euthanasia do not meet that definition. If you wish to discuss euthanasia, that is fine. If you want to talk about murder, that is fine too. But combining the two as if they were the same thing is just dishonest.

 

[NoNukes]

Word of the day toilet paper?

Aha! a post from one who understands English as well as any parrot!

I fully understand your demand that I stick to words that you might understand....but your....inadequacies....are based on lacunae for which I am hardly responsible.

I would rather that you stick to words that YOU understand.A thesaurus is a wonderful tool for the insecure. You use it well.

You're actually hurt because my vocabulary is greater than yours?

Excellent.

"Any damn fool can be complicated. It takes a genius to be simple, but great" Woody Guthrie

Well, you're 'simple,' that's for sure.....just not great.

If you were unable to insult and cut and paste, you would not be able to function.

 

[Taz]

If you're against euthanasia, don't do it to yourself, but please leave everyone else alone, their life isn't your call.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Aha! a post from one who understands English as well as any parrot!

I fully understand your demand that I stick to words that you might understand....but your....inadequacies....are based on lacunae for which I am hardly responsible.

I would rather that you stick to words that YOU understand.A thesaurus is a wonderful tool for the insecure. You use it well.

You're actually hurt because my vocabulary is greater than yours?

Excellent.

"Any damn fool can be complicated. It takes a genius to be simple, but great" Woody Guthrie

Well, you're 'simple,' that's for sure.....just not great.

If you were unable to insult and cut and paste, you would not be able to function.

Yet, here you are.

 

[NoNukes]

I would rather that you stick to words that YOU understand.A thesaurus is a wonderful tool for the insecure. You use it well.

You're actually hurt because my vocabulary is greater than yours?

Excellent.

"Any damn fool can be complicated. It takes a genius to be simple, but great" Woody Guthrie

Well, you're 'simple,' that's for sure.....just not great.

If you were unable to insult and cut and paste, you would not be able to function.

Yet, here you are.

There you go, weaker and weaker.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you're against euthanasia, don't do it to yourself, but please leave everyone else alone, their life isn't your call.

Nor is it the 'call' of many so sentenced.

Learn to read,

 

[Toronado3800]

Whether it be genocide, gulags, abortions, death panels, inseparable from Leftist doctrine...communism, Liberalism, whatever....all represent how insignificant human life is to Leftist worldviews.


They laughed when the Right pointed out that ObamaCare included rationing and Death Panels...but last week the architect of ObamaCare, Dr.Zeke Emanuel came out an said that at 75, time to die.

" If Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel doesn’t die by age 75, should he get the Death Panel?"
Ezekiel Emanuel Obamacare people should die at age 75




And the facilitation for that view is that none of Leftist iterations view religion as important, or even necessary.


1. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there.
Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’


2. "There is no God: This concept is an essential element of Marxism.
As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."
If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.

When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor."
The Schwarz Report Essays

a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too."
"The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression," by Jean-Louis Panné, Andrzej Paczkowski, Karel Bartosek and Jean-Louis Margolin , p.123-124.





3. And just one more example of that view is the murder endorsed by Liberal governments, Euthanasia.
Philosopher Helga Kuhse: "'Euthanasia' is a compound of two Greek words - eu and thanatos meaning, literally, 'a good death'. Today, 'euthanasia' is generally understood to mean the bringing about of a good death - 'mercy killing,' where one person, A, ends the life of another person, B, for the sake of B."
Euthanasia Fact Sheet The World Federation of Right to Die Societies

What if they don't ask B's permission? Wouldn't that make it murder?





4. In 1984, Holland legalized euthanasia, the right of Dutch doctors to kill their elderly patients. Would they do so based on their whim?

a. “The Dutch survey, reviewed in the Journal of Medical Ethics, looked at the figures for 1995 and found that as well as 3,600 authorized cases there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…. they thought they were acting in the patient's best interests.”
Involuntary Euthanasia is Out of Control in Holland

b. Euthanasia, as Dr. Peggy Norris observed with some asperity, "cannot be controlled." If this is so, why is Harris so sure that stem-cell research can be controlled? And if it cannot be controlled, just what is irrational about religious objections to social policies that when they reach the bottom of the slippery slope are bound to embody something Dutch, degraded, and disgusting? How many scientific atheists, I wonder, propose to spend their old age in Holland?"
David Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion."

I read through the 1st page and something about the big rampling anti liberal op diluted your message and turned this into an us vs them fest and nothing about Obamacare.

Is this quote from your article

Why I Hope to Die at 75

An argument that society and families—and you—will be better off if nature takes its course swiftly and promptly

Seventy-five.

That’s how long I want to live: 75 years.'

What brought this up or is there more in the video?

 

[Taz]

If you're against euthanasia, don't do it to yourself, but please leave everyone else alone, their life isn't your call.

Nor is it the 'call' of many so sentenced.

Learn to read,

Euthanasia is what you do to a terminally sick person. Or an animal, including those on death row. The rest is called murder.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you're against euthanasia, don't do it to yourself, but please leave everyone else alone, their life isn't your call.

Nor is it the 'call' of many so sentenced.

Learn to read,

Euthanasia is what you do to a terminally sick person. Or an animal, including those on death row. The rest is called murder.

...unless government does it.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

We get it. You hate liberals.

She hates granny even more.

Indeed, it would seem that she would demand that her beloved family members suffer what she would never force on the family dog.

 

[Katzndogz]

The dog is owned. It is a pet. Its life is under the control of someone else. The dog has no freedom and no say in whether it lives or dies. Such ownership is very much like the ownership of slaves. The slave also has no say in whether it should live or die. The slave master might well want to put someone they own out of their misery. An act of kindness.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The dog is owned. It is a pet. Its life is under the control of someone else. The dog has no freedom and no say in whether it lives or dies. Such ownership is very much like the ownership of slaves. The slave also has no say in whether it should live or die. The slave master might well want to put someone they own out of their misery. An act of kindness.

And that's why we force human beings to suffer? And why we take away the right to determine the time and/or method of one's own death?

As with the right to determine the time of one's reproductions, humans own their own bodies and should have the very basic right of choosing whether to live or die.

 

[PratchettFan]

The dog is owned. It is a pet. Its life is under the control of someone else. The dog has no freedom and no say in whether it lives or dies. Such ownership is very much like the ownership of slaves. The slave also has no say in whether it should live or die. The slave master might well want to put someone they own out of their misery. An act of kindness.

And that's why we force human beings to suffer? And why we take away the right to determine the time and/or method of one's own death?

As with the right to determine the time of one's reproductions, humans own their own bodies and should have the very basic right of choosing whether to live or die.

Yes. In the name of freedom, you must only be able to do what others approve of.

 

[Katzndogz]

The dog is owned. It is a pet. Its life is under the control of someone else. The dog has no freedom and no say in whether it lives or dies. Such ownership is very much like the ownership of slaves. The slave also has no say in whether it should live or die. The slave master might well want to put someone they own out of their misery. An act of kindness.

And that's why we force human beings to suffer? And why we take away the right to determine the time and/or method of one's own death?

As with the right to determine the time of one's reproductions, humans own their own bodies and should have the very basic right of choosing whether to live or die.

The fact is, they don't. That right becomes lost as "owners" exert power. Medicine becomes the principles of veterinary medicine with the government as the ultimate owner doing what the owner thinks is best. When a slave became old, sick, could no longer fulfill the function of a slave the master had the absolute right to go to the slave and put a bullet in his or her head. It was an act of "mercy". What kindly slave masters did to keep the slave from suffering. No one asked the slave if they wanted to live or die. The decision was made for them by those who know better.

That's what has happened in every country where euthanasia is legal. It becomes the substitute for the practice of medicine. It started out as mercy to those who wanted to die. Now euthanasia is the general treatment for children that are depressed. It is the prescription for dealing with mental illness. NOT asking for death when the power thinks a person should ask for death is itself an indication that the person should not be permitted to make that decision. It should be made for them. By the master. By the owner. By those who know better.

 

[rightwinger]

The dog is owned. It is a pet. Its life is under the control of someone else. The dog has no freedom and no say in whether it lives or dies. Such ownership is very much like the ownership of slaves. The slave also has no say in whether it should live or die. The slave master might well want to put someone they own out of their misery. An act of kindness.

And that's why we force human beings to suffer? And why we take away the right to determine the time and/or method of one's own death?

As with the right to determine the time of one's reproductions, humans own their own bodies and should have the very basic right of choosing whether to live or die.

I have had several dogs put to sleep. It was quick and it was painless
Meanwhile, I watched my father struggle for two hours after life support was removed and he was "allowed to die"

 

[Mr Natural]

There's a big difference between living and being alive.

And when may time comes, I hope I have the option to check out with dignity.