Evangelicals Have Higher-than-average Divorce Rates

[martybegan]

Actually it's probably because they marry at a higher rate, and earlier then the general population.

That's irrelevant, since it's a RATE of divorce, i.e. per capita. That means they're comparing Divorce per x-number of marriages, not comparing overall number of divorces.

It isn't irrelevant because they are more likely to be married, and married earlier than the general population.

More likely to BE married is not an excuse for being more likely to BE divorced. It's a comparison of MARRIED COUPLES who end in divorce, PER CAPITA.

That means, I'll type it slow..

Comparing A random sample of FIVE MARRIAGES
& An evangelical sample of....

(you guessed it...FIVE MARRIAGES...)

Has the evangelicals' sample set producing more divorces.

When something is a RATE, it controls for sample-set. Guess the statistics class missed you.

You are ignoring the human factor in all of this. Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical.

You are arguing hows, and not whys.

They whys are already established. It's their culture. It's inferior... for marriage.

All you're doing is reiterating the same thing that the statistic already shows, numerically.

An opinion, nothing more, and probably based on an anti-religion bias.

 

[22lcidw]

If you want marriage to be important again it has to return to being a serious endevour and commitment. Marriage is a circus as the Progs have turned it into anything goes is normal. Many long standing marriages are not that good today also.

 

[G.T.]

That's irrelevant, since it's a RATE of divorce, i.e. per capita. That means they're comparing Divorce per x-number of marriages, not comparing overall number of divorces.

It isn't irrelevant because they are more likely to be married, and married earlier than the general population.

More likely to BE married is not an excuse for being more likely to BE divorced. It's a comparison of MARRIED COUPLES who end in divorce, PER CAPITA.

That means, I'll type it slow..

Comparing A random sample of FIVE MARRIAGES
& An evangelical sample of....

(you guessed it...FIVE MARRIAGES...)

Has the evangelicals' sample set producing more divorces.

When something is a RATE, it controls for sample-set. Guess the statistics class missed you.

You are ignoring the human factor in all of this. Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical.

You are arguing hows, and not whys.

They whys are already established. It's their culture. It's inferior... for marriage.

All you're doing is reiterating the same thing that the statistic already shows, numerically.

An opinion, nothing more, and probably based on an anti-religion bias.

You argued it yourself. All you did was agree.

"Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical." - martyforgot

 

[G.T.]

If you want marriage to be important again it has to return to being a serious endevour and commitment. Marriage is a circus as the Progs have turned it into anything goes is normal. Many long standing marriages are not that good today also.

The divorce rate is finally declining thanks to millennials putting the commitment back into marriage that the boomers took a shit all over.

 

[martybegan]

It isn't irrelevant because they are more likely to be married, and married earlier than the general population.

More likely to BE married is not an excuse for being more likely to BE divorced. It's a comparison of MARRIED COUPLES who end in divorce, PER CAPITA.

That means, I'll type it slow..

Comparing A random sample of FIVE MARRIAGES
& An evangelical sample of....

(you guessed it...FIVE MARRIAGES...)

Has the evangelicals' sample set producing more divorces.

When something is a RATE, it controls for sample-set. Guess the statistics class missed you.

You are ignoring the human factor in all of this. Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical.

You are arguing hows, and not whys.

They whys are already established. It's their culture. It's inferior... for marriage.

All you're doing is reiterating the same thing that the statistic already shows, numerically.

An opinion, nothing more, and probably based on an anti-religion bias.

You argued it yourself. All you did was agree.

"Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical." - martyforgot

I was arguing that the comparison was skewed by the higher rate of marriage in evangelicals.

For a true comparison you would have to include marriage like co-habitations that end after a set time that are more prevalent in cultures that don't really care about pre marriage sex.

Assuming it's the culture of evangelicals that leads to a higher failure rate of RELATIONSHIPS would be a more appropriate study and would be more indicative of failures in the culture of evangelicals.

 

[martybegan]

If you want marriage to be important again it has to return to being a serious endevour and commitment. Marriage is a circus as the Progs have turned it into anything goes is normal. Many long standing marriages are not that good today also.

The divorce rate is finally declining thanks to millennials putting the commitment back into marriage that the boomers took a shit all over.

Probably because they wait longer to get married, a trend that started with Gen X. The issue is they are having less kids, and that is another problem.

 

[G.T.]

More likely to BE married is not an excuse for being more likely to BE divorced. It's a comparison of MARRIED COUPLES who end in divorce, PER CAPITA.

That means, I'll type it slow..

Comparing A random sample of FIVE MARRIAGES
& An evangelical sample of....

(you guessed it...FIVE MARRIAGES...)

Has the evangelicals' sample set producing more divorces.

When something is a RATE, it controls for sample-set. Guess the statistics class missed you.

You are ignoring the human factor in all of this. Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical.

You are arguing hows, and not whys.

They whys are already established. It's their culture. It's inferior... for marriage.

All you're doing is reiterating the same thing that the statistic already shows, numerically.

An opinion, nothing more, and probably based on an anti-religion bias.

You argued it yourself. All you did was agree.

"Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical." - martyforgot

I was arguing that the comparison was skewed by the higher rate of marriage in evangelicals.

For a true comparison you would have to include marriage like co-habitations that end after a set time that are more prevalent in cultures that don't really care about pre marriage sex.

Assuming it's the culture of evangelicals that leads to a higher failure rate of RELATIONSHIPS would be a more appropriate study and would be more indicative of failures in the culture of evangelicals.

RATES arent skewed by having a higher overall number.

Thats WHY we use a rate, to ACCOUNT FOR THAT

 

[Lysistrata]

Evangelicals are more likely to push ideologies that are designed to function to drive a wedge between heterosexuals, like patriarchy and the notion of "complimentarianism," thus reducing or eliminating the chance for heterosexuals to develop relationships based on mutual respect, desire for intimacy, trust, mutual dependence, and the occasional bit of humor. When people are trained not to become partners, but to function in a role best filled by someone sent from Central Casting to act out a theatrical part, it is no wonder that there are more divorces.

 

[martybegan]

You are ignoring the human factor in all of this. Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical.

You are arguing hows, and not whys.

They whys are already established. It's their culture. It's inferior... for marriage.

All you're doing is reiterating the same thing that the statistic already shows, numerically.

An opinion, nothing more, and probably based on an anti-religion bias.

You argued it yourself. All you did was agree.

"Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical." - martyforgot

I was arguing that the comparison was skewed by the higher rate of marriage in evangelicals.

For a true comparison you would have to include marriage like co-habitations that end after a set time that are more prevalent in cultures that don't really care about pre marriage sex.

Assuming it's the culture of evangelicals that leads to a higher failure rate of RELATIONSHIPS would be a more appropriate study and would be more indicative of failures in the culture of evangelicals.

RATES arent skewed by having a higher overall number.

Thats WHY we use a rate, to ACCOUNT FOR THAT

Evidently you are unfamiliar with orders of reaction.

The skewing here is caused by comparison of only the demise of marriages, and not the demise of all long term relationships. Since evangelicals believe in marriage over cohabitation, it stands to reason that they would marry at a higher rate. If you want to see if evangelical beliefs lead to termination of relationships in general, you would have to include all relationships instead of just marriage, because the other groups you are using for comparison don't marry in the same numbers.

 

[G.T.]

They whys are already established. It's their culture. It's inferior... for marriage.

All you're doing is reiterating the same thing that the statistic already shows, numerically.

An opinion, nothing more, and probably based on an anti-religion bias.

You argued it yourself. All you did was agree.

"Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical." - martyforgot

I was arguing that the comparison was skewed by the higher rate of marriage in evangelicals.

For a true comparison you would have to include marriage like co-habitations that end after a set time that are more prevalent in cultures that don't really care about pre marriage sex.

Assuming it's the culture of evangelicals that leads to a higher failure rate of RELATIONSHIPS would be a more appropriate study and would be more indicative of failures in the culture of evangelicals.

RATES arent skewed by having a higher overall number.

Thats WHY we use a rate, to ACCOUNT FOR THAT

Evidently you are unfamiliar with orders of reaction.

The skewing here is caused by comparison of only the demise of marriages, and not the demise of all long term relationships. Since evangelicals believe in marriage over cohabitation, it stands to reason that they would marry at a higher rate. If you want to see if evangelical beliefs lead to termination of relationships in general, you would have to include all relationships instead of just marriage, because the other groups you are using for comparison don't marry in the same numbers.

Evangelicals, in the regard you are speaking of, are cheapening Marriage and taking the obviously dumber approach...hence the higher divorce rate.

 

[The Purge]

Penny. In true muslim style believes the spouse should be killed....She is a female with brain damage!

 

[martybegan]

An opinion, nothing more, and probably based on an anti-religion bias.

You argued it yourself. All you did was agree.

"Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical." - martyforgot

I was arguing that the comparison was skewed by the higher rate of marriage in evangelicals.

For a true comparison you would have to include marriage like co-habitations that end after a set time that are more prevalent in cultures that don't really care about pre marriage sex.

Assuming it's the culture of evangelicals that leads to a higher failure rate of RELATIONSHIPS would be a more appropriate study and would be more indicative of failures in the culture of evangelicals.

RATES arent skewed by having a higher overall number.

Thats WHY we use a rate, to ACCOUNT FOR THAT

Evidently you are unfamiliar with orders of reaction.

The skewing here is caused by comparison of only the demise of marriages, and not the demise of all long term relationships. Since evangelicals believe in marriage over cohabitation, it stands to reason that they would marry at a higher rate. If you want to see if evangelical beliefs lead to termination of relationships in general, you would have to include all relationships instead of just marriage, because the other groups you are using for comparison don't marry in the same numbers.

Evangelicals, in the regard you are speaking of, are cheapening Marriage and taking the obviously dumber approach...hence the higher divorce rate.

I doubt the have changed their views much on Marriage in the past 60 years or so, while other religious groups (and non religious) have married at lower rates over the same time.

Thus if you want a true comparison, you would probably have to figure out the average length of a marriage that ends in divorce, and then add in cohabitations that last as long as that to the base numbers. Then you would have an accurate analysis to see if evangelical beliefs are responsible for relationships terminating as opposed to their higher rate of marriage translating to a higher rate of divorce.

 

[G.T.]

You argued it yourself. All you did was agree.

"Being married earlier, and being in a culture that believes in sex after marriage probably leads to people who wouldn't be married if not evangelical being married when evangelical." - martyforgot

I was arguing that the comparison was skewed by the higher rate of marriage in evangelicals.

For a true comparison you would have to include marriage like co-habitations that end after a set time that are more prevalent in cultures that don't really care about pre marriage sex.

Assuming it's the culture of evangelicals that leads to a higher failure rate of RELATIONSHIPS would be a more appropriate study and would be more indicative of failures in the culture of evangelicals.

RATES arent skewed by having a higher overall number.

Thats WHY we use a rate, to ACCOUNT FOR THAT

Evidently you are unfamiliar with orders of reaction.

The skewing here is caused by comparison of only the demise of marriages, and not the demise of all long term relationships. Since evangelicals believe in marriage over cohabitation, it stands to reason that they would marry at a higher rate. If you want to see if evangelical beliefs lead to termination of relationships in general, you would have to include all relationships instead of just marriage, because the other groups you are using for comparison don't marry in the same numbers.

Evangelicals, in the regard you are speaking of, are cheapening Marriage and taking the obviously dumber approach...hence the higher divorce rate.

I doubt the have changed their views much on Marriage in the past 60 years or so, while other religious groups (and non religious) have married at lower rates over the same time.

Thus if you want a true comparison, you would probably have to figure out the average length of a marriage that ends in divorce, and then add in cohabitations that last as long as that to the base numbers. Then you would have an accurate analysis to see if evangelical beliefs are responsible for relationships terminating as opposed to their higher rate of marriage translating to a higher rate of divorce.

cohabitation is irrelevant because it's not the same thing as marriage

to compare marriages, we dont use cohabitation.

you want to change the subject to relationships in general...and there's a reason for that. it's because evangelicals cheapen the sanctity of marriage worse than the average population.

nobody is talking about the sanctity of cohabitation

we are talking about the institution of marriage.

in other words, you're deflecting because you have to, emotionally.

 

[martybegan]

I was arguing that the comparison was skewed by the higher rate of marriage in evangelicals.

For a true comparison you would have to include marriage like co-habitations that end after a set time that are more prevalent in cultures that don't really care about pre marriage sex.

Assuming it's the culture of evangelicals that leads to a higher failure rate of RELATIONSHIPS would be a more appropriate study and would be more indicative of failures in the culture of evangelicals.

RATES arent skewed by having a higher overall number.

Thats WHY we use a rate, to ACCOUNT FOR THAT

Evidently you are unfamiliar with orders of reaction.

The skewing here is caused by comparison of only the demise of marriages, and not the demise of all long term relationships. Since evangelicals believe in marriage over cohabitation, it stands to reason that they would marry at a higher rate. If you want to see if evangelical beliefs lead to termination of relationships in general, you would have to include all relationships instead of just marriage, because the other groups you are using for comparison don't marry in the same numbers.

Evangelicals, in the regard you are speaking of, are cheapening Marriage and taking the obviously dumber approach...hence the higher divorce rate.

I doubt the have changed their views much on Marriage in the past 60 years or so, while other religious groups (and non religious) have married at lower rates over the same time.

Thus if you want a true comparison, you would probably have to figure out the average length of a marriage that ends in divorce, and then add in cohabitations that last as long as that to the base numbers. Then you would have an accurate analysis to see if evangelical beliefs are responsible for relationships terminating as opposed to their higher rate of marriage translating to a higher rate of divorce.

cohabitation is irrelevant because it's not the same thing as marriage

to compare marriages, we dont use cohabitation.

you want to change the subject to relationships in general...and there's a reason for that. it's because evangelicals cheapen the sanctity of marriage worse than the average population.

nobody is talking about the sanctity of cohabitation

we are talking about the institution of marriage.

in other words, you're deflecting because you have to, emotionally.

People cohabiting today would be married 50 years ago. Evangelicals are one group bucking that trend, and probably even not completely.

I want to compare apples to apples. You want a bashing point for evangelicals.

And I am a lapsed Catholic at best, so no emotion here.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Hiding Immigrant Affiliation In Twenty Percent Religious None "

* Disguised Left Wing Motivation *

The OP article Evangelicals Have Higher-than-average Divorce Rates, According to a Report Compiled by Baylor for the Council on Contemporary Families - does not state a margin of divorce or whether it is significant , rather it directs to CCF Civil Rights Symposium: Fifty Years of Religious Change: 1964-2014 | Council on Contemporary Families , which includes some blatantly deceitful and dishonest assessments .

 

[G.T.]

RATES arent skewed by having a higher overall number.

Thats WHY we use a rate, to ACCOUNT FOR THAT

Evidently you are unfamiliar with orders of reaction.

The skewing here is caused by comparison of only the demise of marriages, and not the demise of all long term relationships. Since evangelicals believe in marriage over cohabitation, it stands to reason that they would marry at a higher rate. If you want to see if evangelical beliefs lead to termination of relationships in general, you would have to include all relationships instead of just marriage, because the other groups you are using for comparison don't marry in the same numbers.

Evangelicals, in the regard you are speaking of, are cheapening Marriage and taking the obviously dumber approach...hence the higher divorce rate.

I doubt the have changed their views much on Marriage in the past 60 years or so, while other religious groups (and non religious) have married at lower rates over the same time.

Thus if you want a true comparison, you would probably have to figure out the average length of a marriage that ends in divorce, and then add in cohabitations that last as long as that to the base numbers. Then you would have an accurate analysis to see if evangelical beliefs are responsible for relationships terminating as opposed to their higher rate of marriage translating to a higher rate of divorce.

cohabitation is irrelevant because it's not the same thing as marriage

to compare marriages, we dont use cohabitation.

you want to change the subject to relationships in general...and there's a reason for that. it's because evangelicals cheapen the sanctity of marriage worse than the average population.

nobody is talking about the sanctity of cohabitation

we are talking about the institution of marriage.

in other words, you're deflecting because you have to, emotionally.

People cohabiting today would be married 50 years ago. Evangelicals are one group bucking that trend, and probably even not completely.

I want to compare apples to apples. You want a bashing point for evangelicals.

And I am a lapsed Catholic at best, so no emotion here.

apples to apples is marriages to marriages

cohabitation is not marriage

 

[martybegan]

Evidently you are unfamiliar with orders of reaction.

The skewing here is caused by comparison of only the demise of marriages, and not the demise of all long term relationships. Since evangelicals believe in marriage over cohabitation, it stands to reason that they would marry at a higher rate. If you want to see if evangelical beliefs lead to termination of relationships in general, you would have to include all relationships instead of just marriage, because the other groups you are using for comparison don't marry in the same numbers.

Evangelicals, in the regard you are speaking of, are cheapening Marriage and taking the obviously dumber approach...hence the higher divorce rate.

I doubt the have changed their views much on Marriage in the past 60 years or so, while other religious groups (and non religious) have married at lower rates over the same time.

Thus if you want a true comparison, you would probably have to figure out the average length of a marriage that ends in divorce, and then add in cohabitations that last as long as that to the base numbers. Then you would have an accurate analysis to see if evangelical beliefs are responsible for relationships terminating as opposed to their higher rate of marriage translating to a higher rate of divorce.

cohabitation is irrelevant because it's not the same thing as marriage

to compare marriages, we dont use cohabitation.

you want to change the subject to relationships in general...and there's a reason for that. it's because evangelicals cheapen the sanctity of marriage worse than the average population.

nobody is talking about the sanctity of cohabitation

we are talking about the institution of marriage.

in other words, you're deflecting because you have to, emotionally.

People cohabiting today would be married 50 years ago. Evangelicals are one group bucking that trend, and probably even not completely.

I want to compare apples to apples. You want a bashing point for evangelicals.

And I am a lapsed Catholic at best, so no emotion here.

apples to apples is marriages to marriages

cohabitation is not marriage

Again, people who would have been married years ago due to societal pressures may just cohabitate today, that robs your attempted analysis of any historical information if you just try to compare marriages.

 

[Penelope]

" Hiding Immigrant Affiliation In Twenty Percent Religious None "

* Disguised Left Wing Motivation *

The OP article Evangelicals Have Higher-than-average Divorce Rates, According to a Report Compiled by Baylor for the Council on Contemporary Families - does not state a margin of divorce or whether it is significant , rather it directs to CCF Civil Rights Symposium: Fifty Years of Religious Change: 1964-2014 | Council on Contemporary Families , which includes some blatantly deceitful and dishonest assessments .

I knew this would happen you state that Baylor is bias yet:

Other Research
Barna isn't the only group to arrive at these numbers. Other researchers have also found that conservative Protestants get divorced more often than other groups, even more often than "mainline" Protestants. The fact that atheists and agnostics divorce less often than other religious groups was, however, surprising to many. Some have simply refused to believe it.

Credit should be given to George Barna, himself a conservative evangelical Christian, for at least trying to face up to these results and what they might mean: "We would love to be able to report that Christians are living very distinct lives and impacting the community, but...in the area of divorce rates they continue to be the same." According to Barna, his data raises "questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families" and challenge "the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriage."

 

[G.T.]

Evangelicals, in the regard you are speaking of, are cheapening Marriage and taking the obviously dumber approach...hence the higher divorce rate.

I doubt the have changed their views much on Marriage in the past 60 years or so, while other religious groups (and non religious) have married at lower rates over the same time.

Thus if you want a true comparison, you would probably have to figure out the average length of a marriage that ends in divorce, and then add in cohabitations that last as long as that to the base numbers. Then you would have an accurate analysis to see if evangelical beliefs are responsible for relationships terminating as opposed to their higher rate of marriage translating to a higher rate of divorce.

cohabitation is irrelevant because it's not the same thing as marriage

to compare marriages, we dont use cohabitation.

you want to change the subject to relationships in general...and there's a reason for that. it's because evangelicals cheapen the sanctity of marriage worse than the average population.

nobody is talking about the sanctity of cohabitation

we are talking about the institution of marriage.

in other words, you're deflecting because you have to, emotionally.

People cohabiting today would be married 50 years ago. Evangelicals are one group bucking that trend, and probably even not completely.

I want to compare apples to apples. You want a bashing point for evangelicals.

And I am a lapsed Catholic at best, so no emotion here.

apples to apples is marriages to marriages

cohabitation is not marriage

Again, people who would have been married years ago due to societal pressures may just cohabitate today, that robs your attempted analysis of any historical information if you just try to compare marriages.

No, it actually helps mine and hurts yours.

People have lent more respect to Marriage by not doing it unless they're more certain about it.

By arguing that more people co-habitate, all you're doing is arguing that the regular population got smart, didn't jump into something and thus aren't hurting the institution of marriage like the dummy evangelicals are.

You're literally making the point while being too daft to realize you're doing it.

 

[martybegan]

I doubt the have changed their views much on Marriage in the past 60 years or so, while other religious groups (and non religious) have married at lower rates over the same time.

Thus if you want a true comparison, you would probably have to figure out the average length of a marriage that ends in divorce, and then add in cohabitations that last as long as that to the base numbers. Then you would have an accurate analysis to see if evangelical beliefs are responsible for relationships terminating as opposed to their higher rate of marriage translating to a higher rate of divorce.

cohabitation is irrelevant because it's not the same thing as marriage

to compare marriages, we dont use cohabitation.

you want to change the subject to relationships in general...and there's a reason for that. it's because evangelicals cheapen the sanctity of marriage worse than the average population.

nobody is talking about the sanctity of cohabitation

we are talking about the institution of marriage.

in other words, you're deflecting because you have to, emotionally.

People cohabiting today would be married 50 years ago. Evangelicals are one group bucking that trend, and probably even not completely.

I want to compare apples to apples. You want a bashing point for evangelicals.

And I am a lapsed Catholic at best, so no emotion here.

apples to apples is marriages to marriages

cohabitation is not marriage

Again, people who would have been married years ago due to societal pressures may just cohabitate today, that robs your attempted analysis of any historical information if you just try to compare marriages.

No, it actually helps mine and hurts yours.

People have lent more respect to Marriage by not doing it unless they're more certain about it.

By arguing that more people co-habitate, all you're doing is arguing that the regular population got smart, didn't jump into something and thus aren't hurting the institution of marriage like the dummy evangelicals are.

You're literally making the point while being too daft to realize you're doing it.

How can you assume "more respect"? It could also be because they don't care about marriage, and thus don't do it.

You are assuming that people who cohabitate care about the "sanctity" of marriage, and that is their reason to not get married.

All to bash evangelicals.