Even Jesus Is A Zionist

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Jesus does not call and did not call for a resurrection of the homeland.

He offers Salvation right now for those who believe in Him and membership today in the Kingdom of God which is eternal LIFE with Him, for those who believe in Him.

The Jews of Israel are dealing with the Zion of present-day reality...

Resurrecting the Jewish Homeland after being scattered to the winds for so many centuries...

Given Jesus' decision to limit his start-up ministry to his own people (the Jews of Ancient Israel [Israel-Judah-Judea])...

Given Jesus' admonitions, to respect and obey the Law of Moses, and that he fulfilled all such Law and Prophecy, as those had previously manifested within Ancient Israel...

It's a good bet that he was in favor of sustaining a Jewish Homeland, some decades in advance of the 70 AD Sack of Jerusalem and the Judeo-Roman Wars...

And if he was in favor of sustaining a Homeland, it stands to reason that he would be in favor of re-establishing a Homeland, if the need ever arose...

He might very well not approve of tactics and violence employed by the Jews OR the Muslims, and those would probably force him to abandon what early Zionism has evolved into in recent decades...

But within the realm of non-violent action to resurrect a Jewish Homeland, it seems likely that his natural love for his own people would have caused him to favor a nonviolent reestablishment of Israel...

At its core or its roots, Zionism is nothing more than the Concept of bringing Jews back to the Holy Land in order to recreate a Jewish Homeland...

Of course, Jesus lived some 1800 years or more before the advent of Zionism, as we understand the concept in modern times...

He was already 'home' and had no need to 'return'...

But it seems entirely logical and reasonable to speculate that if Jesus could time-travel into the 19th and 20th and 21st Centuries, he would probably have supported Zionism, in whole or in part, in its earliest and nonviolent forms...

In a narrow, literal sense, of course Jesus was not a Zionist - the timing was all wrong...

But... metaphorically speaking (which is the mode of thought which any sane person would construe in assessing the OP)... and focused upon Zionism in its earliest forms...

Yes... it seems reasonable to speculate that Jesus would have been an Early-Days Zionist, even if he might have abandoned the movement, once the arguments and shooting began...

Thus speaketh the Middle Ground Approach to the challenge posed by the OP...

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Jesus does not call and did not call for a resurrection of the homeland.

He offers Salvation right now for those who believe in Him and membership today in the Kingdom of God which is eternal LIFE with Him, for those who believe in Him.

The Jews of Israel are dealing with the Zion of present-day reality...

Resurrecting the Jewish Homeland after being scattered to the winds for so many centuries...

Given Jesus' decision to limit his start-up ministry to his own people (the Jews of Ancient Israel [Israel-Judah-Judea])...

Given Jesus' admonitions, to respect and obey the Law of Moses, and that he fulfilled all such Law and Prophecy, as those had previously manifested within Ancient Israel...

It's a good bet that he was in favor of sustaining a Jewish Homeland, some decades in advance of the 70 AD Sack of Jerusalem and the Judeo-Roman Wars...

And if he was in favor of sustaining a Homeland, it stands to reason that he would be in favor of re-establishing a Homeland, if the need ever arose...

He might very well not approve of tactics and violence employed by the Jews OR the Muslims, and those would probably force him to abandon what early Zionism has evolved into in recent decades...

But within the realm of non-violent action to resurrect a Jewish Homeland, it seems likely that his natural love for his own people would have caused him to favor a nonviolent reestablishment of Israel...

At its core or its roots, Zionism is nothing more than the Concept of bringing Jews back to the Holy Land in order to recreate a Jewish Homeland...

Of course, Jesus lived some 1800 years or more before the advent of Zionism, as we understand the concept in modern times...

He was already 'home' and had no need to 'return'...

But it seems entirely logical and reasonable to speculate that if Jesus could time-travel into the 19th and 20th and 21st Centuries, he would probably have supported Zionism, in whole or in part, in its earliest and nonviolent forms...

In a narrow, literal sense, of course Jesus was not a Zionist - the timing was all wrong...

But... metaphorically speaking (which is the mode of thought which any sane person would construe in assessing the OP)... and focused upon Zionism in its earliest forms...

Yes... it seems reasonable to speculate that Jesus would have been an Early-Days Zionist, even if he might have abandoned the movement, once the arguments and shooting began...

Thus speaketh the Middle Ground Approach to the challenge posed by the OP...

G-d promised the land to the Jewish people. That is all us Jews care about. We don't care for prophets. There is only one G-d and only He is to be worshiped, not man.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Jesus was the fulfillment of all promises of The Old Testament.

No promises of physical land left unfulfilled.

You believe in Him or stand condemned.

And you prove what you say is a lie.

If true, you would be on that promised land and others would not be saying it was stolen from others.

God owns all land. The best people get is a chance to live on land for a small period in time.

Jesus does not call and did not call for a resurrection of the homeland.

He offers Salvation right now for those who believe in Him and membership today in the Kingdom of God which is eternal LIFE with Him, for those who believe in Him.

The Jews of Israel are dealing with the Zion of present-day reality...

Resurrecting the Jewish Homeland after being scattered to the winds for so many centuries...

Given Jesus' decision to limit his start-up ministry to his own people (the Jews of Ancient Israel [Israel-Judah-Judea])...

Given Jesus' admonitions, to respect and obey the Law of Moses, and that he fulfilled all such Law and Prophecy, as those had previously manifested within Ancient Israel...

It's a good bet that he was in favor of sustaining a Jewish Homeland, some decades in advance of the 70 AD Sack of Jerusalem and the Judeo-Roman Wars...

And if he was in favor of sustaining a Homeland, it stands to reason that he would be in favor of re-establishing a Homeland, if the need ever arose...

He might very well not approve of tactics and violence employed by the Jews OR the Muslims, and those would probably force him to abandon what early Zionism has evolved into in recent decades...

But within the realm of non-violent action to resurrect a Jewish Homeland, it seems likely that his natural love for his own people would have caused him to favor a nonviolent reestablishment of Israel...

At its core or its roots, Zionism is nothing more than the Concept of bringing Jews back to the Holy Land in order to recreate a Jewish Homeland...

Of course, Jesus lived some 1800 years or more before the advent of Zionism, as we understand the concept in modern times...

He was already 'home' and had no need to 'return'...

But it seems entirely logical and reasonable to speculate that if Jesus could time-travel into the 19th and 20th and 21st Centuries, he would probably have supported Zionism, in whole or in part, in its earliest and nonviolent forms...

In a narrow, literal sense, of course Jesus was not a Zionist - the timing was all wrong...

But... metaphorically speaking (which is the mode of thought which any sane person would construe in assessing the OP)... and focused upon Zionism in its earliest forms...

Yes... it seems reasonable to speculate that Jesus would have been an Early-Days Zionist, even if he might have abandoned the movement, once the arguments and shooting began...

Thus speaketh the Middle Ground Approach to the challenge posed by the OP...

G-d promised the land to the Jewish people. That is all us Jews care about. We don't care for prophets. There is only one G-d and only He is to be worshiped, not man.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Worship of land is not the worship of God, it is Idolatry.

Jesus does not call and did not call for a resurrection of the homeland.

He offers Salvation right now for those who believe in Him and membership today in the Kingdom of God which is eternal LIFE with Him, for those who believe in Him.

The Jews of Israel are dealing with the Zion of present-day reality...

Resurrecting the Jewish Homeland after being scattered to the winds for so many centuries...

Given Jesus' decision to limit his start-up ministry to his own people (the Jews of Ancient Israel [Israel-Judah-Judea])...

Given Jesus' admonitions, to respect and obey the Law of Moses, and that he fulfilled all such Law and Prophecy, as those had previously manifested within Ancient Israel...

It's a good bet that he was in favor of sustaining a Jewish Homeland, some decades in advance of the 70 AD Sack of Jerusalem and the Judeo-Roman Wars...

And if he was in favor of sustaining a Homeland, it stands to reason that he would be in favor of re-establishing a Homeland, if the need ever arose...

He might very well not approve of tactics and violence employed by the Jews OR the Muslims, and those would probably force him to abandon what early Zionism has evolved into in recent decades...

But within the realm of non-violent action to resurrect a Jewish Homeland, it seems likely that his natural love for his own people would have caused him to favor a nonviolent reestablishment of Israel...

At its core or its roots, Zionism is nothing more than the Concept of bringing Jews back to the Holy Land in order to recreate a Jewish Homeland...

Of course, Jesus lived some 1800 years or more before the advent of Zionism, as we understand the concept in modern times...

He was already 'home' and had no need to 'return'...

But it seems entirely logical and reasonable to speculate that if Jesus could time-travel into the 19th and 20th and 21st Centuries, he would probably have supported Zionism, in whole or in part, in its earliest and nonviolent forms...

In a narrow, literal sense, of course Jesus was not a Zionist - the timing was all wrong...

But... metaphorically speaking (which is the mode of thought which any sane person would construe in assessing the OP)... and focused upon Zionism in its earliest forms...

Yes... it seems reasonable to speculate that Jesus would have been an Early-Days Zionist, even if he might have abandoned the movement, once the arguments and shooting began...

Thus speaketh the Middle Ground Approach to the challenge posed by the OP...

G-d promised the land to the Jewish people. That is all us Jews care about. We don't care for prophets. There is only one G-d and only He is to be worshiped, not man.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Jesus was the fulfillment of all promises of The Old Testament.

No promises of physical land left unfulfilled.

You believe in Him or stand condemned.

And you prove what you say is a lie.

If true, you would be on that promised land and others would not be saying it was stolen from others.

God owns all land. The best people get is a chance to live on land for a small period in time.

Jesus does not call and did not call for a resurrection of the homeland.

He offers Salvation right now for those who believe in Him and membership today in the Kingdom of God which is eternal LIFE with Him, for those who believe in Him.

G-d promised the land to the Jewish people. That is all us Jews care about. We don't care for prophets. There is only one G-d and only He is to be worshiped, not man.

We will be on the Promised Land of Israel when our Messiah comes.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

John 3:16-18

English Standard Version (ESV)

For God So Loved the World

“For*God so loved*the world,[a]*that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not*perish but have eternal life.*For*God did not send his Son into the world*to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.*Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not*believed in the name of the only Son of God.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3:16-18



Jesus Messiah came over 2000 years ago, accept Him as Messiah or stand condembed.

Choose wisely now.

Jesus was the fulfillment of all promises of The Old Testament.

No promises of physical land left unfulfilled.

You believe in Him or stand condemned.

And you prove what you say is a lie.

If true, you would be on that promised land and others would not be saying it was stolen from others.

God owns all land. The best people get is a chance to live on land for a small period in time.

G-d promised the land to the Jewish people. That is all us Jews care about. We don't care for prophets. There is only one G-d and only He is to be worshiped, not man.

We will be on the Promised Land of Israel when our Messiah comes.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Nah, Jesus was a false Messiah. We are waiting for the real Messiah.

 

[Phoenall]

The Myth of Jewish Rejection of Jesus





by Paul Sumner





"Now when he was in Jerusalem at the Passover many believed in his name ...
many of the multitude believed in him ...
many came to believe in him ...
many of the Samaritans believed in him ...
a great many of the priests became obedient."
(John 2:23; 7:31; 8:30; 4:39; Acts 6:7)



"You see, brother, how many tens of thousands there are among the Jews
of those who have believed,
and they are all zealous for the Torah."
(Acts 21:20)


Hebrew Streams: The Myth of Jewish Rejection of Jesus

They never rejected the teacher or the rabbi that was Jesus, they just rejected the assumption that he was the messiah.

Just as the arabs never rejected the gods of old so Mohamed gave them a place in the Koran, now rejected by the arabs as the satanic verses.

 

[Phoenall]

If that were true, they would be accepting Jesus as Messiah.

The promises of The Old Testament were fulfilled in Jesus.

And the Jews of Israel are dealing with the Zion of present-day reality...

Do you accept Mohamed as the one who comes after as JESUS COMMANDS, or do you reject him as another religions leader ?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

John 3:16-18

English Standard Version (ESV)

For God So Loved the World

“For*God so loved*the world,[a]*that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not*perish but have eternal life.*For*God did not send his Son into the world*to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.*Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not*believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Nah, Jesus was a false Messiah. We are waiting for the real Messiah.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I believe in Jesus, there is no one else to believe in.

If that were true, they would be accepting Jesus as Messiah.

The promises of The Old Testament were fulfilled in Jesus.

And the Jews of Israel are dealing with the Zion of present-day reality...

Do you accept Mohamed as the one who comes after as JESUS COMMANDS, or do you reject him as another religions leader ?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

However, the past is understood it does not change what Jesus says about today, Salvation comes from belief in Jesus.

John 3:16-18

English Standard Version (ESV)

For God So Loved the World

“For*God so loved*the world,[a]*that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not*perish but have eternal life.*For*God did not send his Son into the world*to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.*Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not*believed in the name of the only Son of God.

The Myth of Jewish Rejection of Jesus





by Paul Sumner





"Now when he was in Jerusalem at the Passover many believed in his name ...
many of the multitude believed in him ...
many came to believe in him ...
many of the Samaritans believed in him ...
a great many of the priests became obedient."
(John 2:23; 7:31; 8:30; 4:39; Acts 6:7)



"You see, brother, how many tens of thousands there are among the Jews
of those who have believed,
and they are all zealous for the Torah."
(Acts 21:20)


Hebrew Streams: The Myth of Jewish Rejection of Jesus

They never rejected the teacher or the rabbi that was Jesus, they just rejected the assumption that he was the messiah.

Just as the arabs never rejected the gods of old so Mohamed gave them a place in the Koran, now rejected by the arabs as the satanic verses.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

It seems that it is copy/paste Sherri's shift at the post mill.

 

[MJB12741]

Excellent point. If as you say "Worship of land is not the worship of God, it is Idolatry" then why did the Muslims conquer by force & steal all their lands from the previous indigenous peoples? As just one example, how very sad it's Istanbul, not Constantinople.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQrKZcYtqg]THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" - YouTube[/ame]

Worship of land is not the worship of God, it is Idolatry.

Jesus does not call and did not call for a resurrection of the homeland.

He offers Salvation right now for those who believe in Him and membership today in the Kingdom of God which is eternal LIFE with Him, for those who believe in Him.

G-d promised the land to the Jewish people. That is all us Jews care about. We don't care for prophets. There is only one G-d and only He is to be worshiped, not man.

 

[Shaarona]

Excellent point. If as you say "Worship of land is not the worship of God, it is Idolatry" then why did the Muslims conquer by force & steal all their lands from the previous indigenous peoples? As just one example, how very sad it's Istanbul, not Constantinople.


THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" - YouTube

Worship of land is not the worship of God, it is Idolatry.

G-d promised the land to the Jewish people. That is all us Jews care about. We don't care for prophets. There is only one G-d and only He is to be worshiped, not man.

There were Arabs long before Islam.. and the Arabs .. like the Romans ... didn't push indigenous people off the land.

 

[Bumberclyde]

If that were true, they would be accepting Jesus as Messiah.

The promises of The Old Testament were fulfilled in Jesus.

And the Jews of Israel are dealing with the Zion of present-day reality...

Do you accept Mohamed as the one who comes after as JESUS COMMANDS, or do you reject him as another religions leader ?

Mohammed wiped his ass with an uneven number of rocks. True story. Which makes me wonder, what did Jesus wipe his ass with since he had no money?

 

[MJB12741]

Just curious. What ever happened to the indigenous Persian Zoroastrians once the Muslims paid them a little visit?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Response to Post 4215

That is certainly the story I read about in the book The Life And Times of Jesus The Messiah by Alfred Edersheim.

At the time of Jesus , Jews were scattered, because they had left on their own for other places, or those forcibly taken centuries of years before were now free to return. But they did not choose to.

 

[Shaarona]

If that were true, they would be accepting Jesus as Messiah.

The promises of The Old Testament were fulfilled in Jesus.

Do you accept Mohamed as the one who comes after as JESUS COMMANDS, or do you reject him as another religions leader ?

Mohammed wiped his ass with an uneven number of rocks. True story. Which makes me wonder, what did Jesus wipe his ass with since he had no money?

There were some 60,000 hadiths written up to 250 years after the death of Muhammed.. Most have never been authenticated.. Calling it a true story is rather silly.

Most hammams have both tissue and a hand held shower next to the commode.

 

[Shaarona]

Just curious. What ever happened to the indigenous Persian Zoroastrians once the Muslims paid them a little visit?

There were NO Zoroastrians in Arabia.

Although older, Zoroastrianism only enters recorded history in the mid-5th century BCE. Herodotus' The Histories (completed c. 440 BCE) includes a description of Greater Iranian society with what may be recognizably Zoroastrian features, including exposure of the dead.

When the Sassanid dynasty came into power in 224 CE, they aggressively promoted the Zurvanite form of Zoroastrianism and, in some cases, persecuted Christians.[18] When the Sassanids captured territory, they often built fire temples there to promote their religion. After Constantine, the Sassanids were suspicious of Christians, not least because of their perceived ties to the Christian Roman Empire. As such the Persian Church (the Church of the East) officially broke with Roman Christianity, and was tolerated and even sometimes favored by the Sassanids. wiki