Every Classroom Should Have Heavily Armed Teachers In It

[Curried Goats]

Do you want to take guns away from the police? Turn them into bobbies?

Eventually yes. That is the goal or at least it should be shouldn't it? If our society is such that we need armed officers on every corner, ready to respond to acts of gun violence at a moments notice it's because we've failed as a society. The countries who's police don't need to walk around armed are what succesful socities look like. You're so focused on protecting the gun that you've lost sight of why it's necessary. It's necessary because we've failed.

 

[Unkotare]

Eventually yes. That is the goal or at least it should be shouldn't it? ....

NO. You'd better start shopping around for another country to live in, because America will NEVER be that.

 

[Curried Goats]

NO. You'd better start shopping around for another country to live in, because America will NEVER be that.

Not with that attitude it won't. But apparently I'm more optimistic than you political nihilist clowns.

 

[Unkotare]

Not with that attitude it won't. .....

It's never going to happen here, regardless of your "attitude."

 

[Curried Goats]

It's never going to happen here, regardless of your "attitude."

Sure.

 

[Unkotare]

Sure.

Get used to it, or get packin'.

 

[Curried Goats]

Get used to it, or get packin'.

Okay.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

What a dumb fuck.

Most shooters don't enter a school "guns a blazin'" you fucking retard.


Of being the FIRST one shot...............by police.

End of discussion, moron.

The only moron in this discussion is yourself. They have different programs in different states but the armed faculty and staff train regularly with the police agencies that will be responding to school shootings in their districts.

They have no problem distinguishing school shooters from defenders.

Police regularly respond to calls where there plain clothes officers and "good guy" civilians and very rarely is there any confusion.

 

[flan327]

No......it doesn't.

We know from actual mass public shooters and their plans....and interviews...that they target gun free zones......

New York Mass Public Shooter Explicitly targeted: “areas where CCW are outlawed or prohibited may be good areas of attack” “areas with strict gun laws are also great places of attack,” Another Socialist/Environmentalist


10/26/19

Mass Shootings in Gun-Free Zones - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

According to ABC News, El Paso law enforcement officials advise that, moments before his killing rampage, the shooter cased the Walmart “looking for Mexicans.” While that may be so, it is nevertheless true that, consistent with his “manifesto,” his recon was also calculated to make sure that he would be attacking in a low-security area. In that regard, the Walmart store had no armed security guard, no police presence, and was located in a shopping mall that was a self-proclaimed “gun-free zone.”
Similarly, in the Dayton, Ohio, mass shooting on Sunday, which immediately followed the El Paso murders, the victims were attacked as they exited a nightspot that was a gun-free zone.
And, in the Garlic Festival shootings in Gilroy, California last week, the victims were trapped inside a fenced area after going through metal detectors to make sure that they were disarmed. The shooter avoided the metal detectors by cutting through the fence and then attacking a victim pool that the Gilroy authorities had rendered incapable of defending themselves.
So it is that these most recent massacres share the one common element of almost all mass casualty shootings: gun-free zones.In addition to the El Paso shooter’s “manifesto,” there is abundant anecdotal evidence that mass casualty shooters prefer gun-free zones. For example, in 2016, Dearborn Heights, Michigan, ISIS supporter Khalil Abu Rayyan had an online discussion with an undercover FBI agent in which he discussed his plan for a “martyrdom operation” by attacking a Detroit church. He told the agent that this would be an easy target because “people are not allowed to carry guns in church.” Fortunately, Abu Rayyan was arrested before he could achieve martyrdom.
Similarly, in 2015, Elliot Rodger murdered six people in a Santa Barbara, California, gun-free zone. In his 141-page “manifesto,” he explained that in planning his attack he had decided against launching it in other locations where someone with a gun might be present to cut short his killing spree.
In the 2012 Aurora, Colorado, theater massacre, the killer’s diary showed that he had decided against attacking an airport because of its “substantial security.” And, out of the seven movie theaters within 20 minutes of the shooter’s home, he chose the only one that had posted signs declaring it to be a gun-free zone.
Given this record, anyone concerned with eliminating — or at least substantially reducing — mass public shootings must ask whether or not gun-free zones pose a danger to the public by attracting killers who prefer an unarmed victim pool and should give serious consideration to the following propositions:



3/3-/18

Orlando, Pulse Night club shooter wanted to attack Disney land

Pulse shooter's initial target was Disney site, prosecutors say


Prosecutors say the Orlando nightclub shooter intended to attack Disney World’s shopping and entertainment complex by hiding a gun in a stroller but became spooked by police and chose the gay club as his target.
3/5/18
Profile of a School Shooter | National Review

The second thing: The shooter reveals that he thought seriously about whether his target would be a “gun free zone.” I mention this not to endorse any particular policy, but to make it clear that it is by no means rare for those who would do harm to first scope out their destinations and to make sure that they won’t encounter much resistance. The shooter openly explains that he chose the local elementary school, rather than the school he was really angry with (his own), because it lacked an armed guard. He also admits to having researched how long it took cops to respond in the area (15 minutes), and how long it would be before SWAT was on site (45 minutes). This echoes comments made by the shooter at Isla Vista, who considered carrying out his attack on Halloween, but decided against it because there’d be “too many cops walking around during an event like Halloween, and cops are the only ones who can hinder my plans.”

The actual story linked above...



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The Colorado theater shooter evidence...

Did Colorado shooter single out Cinemark theater because it banned guns?

Yet, neither explanation is right. Instead, out of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, it was the only one where guns were banned. In Colorado, individuals with permits can carry concealed handgun in most malls, stores, movie theaters, and restaurants. But private businesses can determine whether permit holders can carry guns on their private property.
Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns. But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater’s entrance.
A simple web search and some telephone calls reveal how easily one can find out how Cinemark compared to other movie theaters. According to mapquest.com and movies.com, there were seven movie theaters showing "The Dark Knight Rises" on July 20th within 20 minutes of the killer’s apartment at 1690 Paris St, Aurora, Colorado. At 4 miles and an 8-minute car ride, the Cinemark’s Century Theater wasn't the closest. Another theater was only 1.2 miles (3 minutes) away.
There was also a theater just slightly further away, 10 minutes. It is the "home of Colorado's largest auditorium," according to their movie hotline greeting message. The potentially huge audience ought to have been attractive to someone trying to kill as many people as possible. Four other theaters were 18 minutes, two at 19 minutes, and 20 minutes away. But all of those theaters allowed permitted concealed handguns.
So why would a mass shooter pick a place that bans guns? The answer should be obvious, though it apparently is not clear to the media – disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks


FBI: Dearborn Heights ISIS supporter planned to attack Detroit church

In conversation's between Abu-Rayyan and the undercover agent, Abu-Rayyan described his desire to commit a martyrdom operation.

The complaint filed in federal court doesn’t specify which Detroit church he was allegedly planning to attack, only that it was close and could seat 6,000 members.

The complaint quotes Abu-Rayyan saying:

“It's easy, and a lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church. Plus it would make the news. Everybody would've heard. Honestly I regret not doing it. If I can't do jihad in the Middle East, I would do my jihad over here."

He had also told the undercover agent that a church would be an easy target because people are not allowed to carry guns there and that it would make the news.

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Minnesota…...

Minnesota teen made bombs, stockpiled guns in prep for school massacre: police

The unhinged teen told cops, after being busted Tuesday, that he planned to shoot his sister, mom and dad with a .22-caliber rifle before he went to a rural field and set a fire to distract cops.
The 11th-grader then said he planned to go to Waseca Junior and Senior High School where he would toss Molotov cocktails and explode pressure-cooker bombs to try and kill “as many students as he could” in the cafeteria during lunchtime.
About 1,000 students, in 7th through 12th grade, attend the school.
LaDue, according to the notebook of his plan, would kill the school resource officer before continuing to kill other students. He was prepared to be gunned down by a SWAT Team, police said.


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Vince Vaughn is right about guns (and was brave to be so honest) | Fox News

Last June, Elliot Rodger, who killed six people in Santa Barbara, Calif., explained his own choice. In his 141-page “Manifesto,” Rodger turned down alternate targets because he worried that someone with a gun would cut short his killing spree.

That same month, Justin Bourque shot to death three people in Canada. His Facebook page made fun of gun bans, with pictures of defenseless victims explaining to killers that they weren’t allowed to have guns.

The diary of the Aurora, Colorado, “Batman” movie theater killer, James Holmes, was finally released this past week. It was clear that he was considering both attacking an airport and a movie theater, but he turned down the airport option because he was concerned about their “substantial security.”

Of course, there are numerous other examples such as the Columbine killersopposing the concealed carry law that was then working its way through the state legislature. The bill would have allowed people to carry permitted concealed handguns on school property. The killers timed their attack for the very day that final passage of the law was planned for in the legislature.

If you go to the link for the Colorado theater shooter they have a photo of his journal where he has notes about airports…..he lists one of the items…."Substantial Security"

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/james-holmes-notebook-dragged.pdf
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Sandy hook, did not have police resource officer

Building a safer Sandy Hook | News21: Gun Wars

The high school and middle school, which already had armed resource officers, doubled down on security and restricted all visitors that didn’t have prior permission to enter.
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No one has time for your CRAP

 

[flan327]

Okay.

No one can FORCE me to buy a gun

Dumbo

 

[Big Bend Texas]

You don't have a solution. You haven't proven that having more guns is a good solution to stopping gun violence, all you've done reiterate that it is your right to own guns. The evidence shows the opposite. Every other developed nation doesn't allow its citizens to stock up on guns and ammo in the same place they buy little league gear and they don't have all the mass shootings and gun violence that we do.

What other nations have the 2nd Amendment?

 

[Unkotare]

There won't be any other teachers left to teach there either. Or in any other schools. Who would do this job now?

Who?

Me.

 

[Unkotare]

Those words on a piece of paper don't really change the fact that their way leads to a lot fewer mass shootings and dead school children.

If the Bill of Rights is nothing more than a "piece of paper" to you, I don't think you really qualify to be an American.

 

[Curried Goats]

If the Bill of Rights is nothing more than a "piece of paper" to you, I don't think you really qualify to be an American.

Maybe, but who you think really qualifies to be American means absolutely nothing. I'm an American because that same Constitution says I am. Bow to its superiority over you you bitch.

 

[Unkotare]

Maybe, but who you think really qualifies to be American means absolutely nothing.

It means a lot.

 

[Curried Goats]

It means a lot.

To your feelings. I know.

 

[flan327]

Me.

So why aren’t you already doing it?

 

[flan327]

Maybe, but who you think really qualifies to be American means absolutely nothing. I'm an American because that same Constitution says I am. Bow to its superiority over you you bitch.

You you bitch?

Use a comma

 

[Curried Goats]

You you bitch?

Use a comma

You're a self appointed internet hall monitor? How embarrassing.

 

[Unkotare]

To your feelings. I know.

It means a lot because I am an actual American who understands, appreciates, and loves his country. I don't see any of that in your comments to date.