Eviscerating 'The Roosevelt Alibi'

[toxicmedia]

The RW hates the inclusion of the third freedom in FDR's Four Freedoms.

Fox News has been telling these righties what makes them comfortable for enough years now, almost 20, that they'll believe anything their only source for cable news tells them...no matter how contradictory to reality it is

Typical leftist, invoking their boogeyman when losing the argument.

Typical righty, always needing validation, and to think you're winning an argument. That's why Fox News is so successful, it took repressed prudish righties who felt slighted by the 60's revolution and restored the Leave it to Beaver re-runs playing nightly in their psyches.

Your list of reasons FDR was a monster, at the end of the day, simply did not support your conclusion. But working backwards to fit campaign strategy into history must include revision, and you're primed to perpetuate it all. Maybe you're not a smart as I gave you credit for, and you actually believe what you've been saying

 

[rightwinger]

At the time, it was what considered the best reaction to a perceived threat. FDR reacted to the post Pearl Harbor hysteria of the time

I guess the Germans perceived a threat too. You're ok with that as just what was done in those days?

Again you resort to hyperbole

Japanese internment camps were wrong but they do not equate to death camps

I didn't equate them to death camps. YOU defended concentration camps.

I didn't defend them

You sure as hell did, scumbag.

Scumbag?

Well ....you smell like poop

 

[Correll]

By the time the US entered the War, the Naiz onslaught in Russia had already been turned around.

HItler could have won, if the Soviets had done a little worse in the summer/fall of 41.

After that, it was very unlikely.

Hitler had to go, as did all high level Nazis.

With US air superiority and/or the Atomic Bomb on the table, IMO the German Army might have been willing to take care of that.

20 July plot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

If not...

Then yes, then D-Day or Nuclear bombardment.

Your first sentence is an absolute lie.

In 1942, Hitler's armies advanced and took Stalingrad and 60% of the Caucusus oil fields. The only setback they had in 1942 was in Kursk.

You really are a very stupid person.

It is debatable whether the Nazi's "took" Stalingrad, considering that they never secured the ctiy, the fighting never stopped and that they took horrific losses that permanently weaken the German army.

For you to NOT consider that a setback shows you to be a very stupid person.

YOu know, nobody was calling anyone names until you showed up.

Almost like it's possible for reasonable people to reasonable disagree about an historical matter over 70 years ago...

You missed the point, asswipe. Germany was still on the advance in 1942. You said they were already weakened and losing in 1942. They weren't and it would have been far worse for Russia had we not entered the war end of 1941. You are trolling, nothing more.

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Stalingrad was a terrible failure. Kurst was a terrible failure. You could give them points for regaining the initiative if you want.

For a while.

And accomplishing nothing.

 

[Correll]

The RW hates the inclusion of the third freedom in FDR's Four Freedoms.

Fox News has been telling these righties what makes them comfortable for enough years now, almost 20, that they'll believe anything their only source for cable news tells them...no matter how contradictory to reality it is

RW was giving FDR credit for getting Stalin to fight the Nazi.

How believable it that?

 

[Statistikhengst]

By the time the US entered the War, the Naiz onslaught in Russia had already been turned around.

HItler could have won, if the Soviets had done a little worse in the summer/fall of 41.

After that, it was very unlikely.

Hitler had to go, as did all high level Nazis.

With US air superiority and/or the Atomic Bomb on the table, IMO the German Army might have been willing to take care of that.

20 July plot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

If not...

Then yes, then D-Day or Nuclear bombardment.

Your first sentence is an absolute lie.

In 1942, Hitler's armies advanced and took Stalingrad and 60% of the Caucusus oil fields. The only setback they had in 1942 was in Kursk.

You really are a very stupid person.

It is debatable whether the Nazi's "took" Stalingrad, considering that they never secured the ctiy, the fighting never stopped and that they took horrific losses that permanently weaken the German army.

For you to NOT consider that a setback shows you to be a very stupid person.

YOu know, nobody was calling anyone names until you showed up.

Almost like it's possible for reasonable people to reasonable disagree about an historical matter over 70 years ago...

You missed the point, asswipe. Germany was still on the advance in 1942. You said they were already weakened and losing in 1942. They weren't and it would have been far worse for Russia had we not entered the war end of 1941. You are trolling, nothing more.

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Stalingrad was a terrible failure. Kurst was a terrible failure. You could give them points for regaining the initiative if you want.

For a while.

And accomplishing nothing.

Yes, I am sure that makes you sad.

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[Unkotare]

Your list of reasons FDR was a monster, at the end of the day, simply did not support your conclusion.

It clearly and directly supports my conclusion.

 

[Unkotare]

h convinced people to care about their fellow Americans

I hope the government never "cares about" you enough to throw you into a concentration camp the way that fucking scumbag FDR did to so many innocent, loyal Americans.

 

[irosie91]

Yes, you are right, the Jews were innocent.

(whispering)....did she just say that WWII was started by the Jews in 1933?....

well---yes----that is the islamo Nazi thing-------it happens that DA JOOOOOS did not like her client-----ADOLF-----way back in 1933 ---based on his HOLY BOOK ----mein kampf

No doubt he thought the Jews were a huge problem then, like in the US , only 2% of the pop. yet they run it all. (I don't believe those %ages, as there are still Jews incognito). So yea, no doubt that is why they declared a "holy war " on Germany when he got in office.

absolutely right-----Adolf Hitler considered jews a big problem because they did not agree that sick kids should be killed ----or gypsies should be killed for being gypsies or that Polish people should be enslaved and----blacks either eradicated or enslaved----and that is why whores like Penelope still fantasize about sucking his cock. In 1933---jews declared Adolf Hitler a BAD GUY and Penelope still has autoerotic fantasies of sucking his cock

You know when you take control of a country and them proceed to strange it financially ,and kill the moral fiber of it, but the means of the rich and powerful Zionist Jews, who in the heck can blame Germans for wanting rid of the suffocation. You did it to Russia and the communist global Jewish plan was to spread communism globally. The "final solution" was to get the jews out of Germany, and they all left as they had money. Britain befriended Russia only because they wanted to weaken both German and Russia, and the

(whispering)....did she just say that WWII was started by the Jews in 1933?....

well---yes----that is the islamo Nazi thing-------it happens that DA JOOOOOS did not like her client-----ADOLF-----way back in 1933 ---based on his HOLY BOOK ----mein kampf

Yes, you are right, the Jews were innocent.

(whispering)....did she just say that WWII was started by the Jews in 1933?....

Quiet, yes I did.

The Jews started WWII....how?

I hope I don't regret asking

very simple-----jews objected to adolf hitler and his plans as, very clearly stated in his book --published in 1928-----which involved murdering lots of people------sick kids, poles, etc etc----and making some people kinda like KINGS AND QUEENS over the rest of the world. Some people-----even in the USA were delighted with the idea-------in general-----they are the people commonly known as "white trash" -------people like Penelope-------moonshine whores and trash sitting in methadone clinics. Adolf Hitler agreed with white trash that blacks should be slaves and since jews are TOO DAMNED literate----they should die

You have never read hitlers book. Here is an idea start with Karl Lueger. You will find anti Semitism was alive and well before Hitler was even an embryo.

Anti-Judaic CS poster of 1920, depicting a Judeo-Bolshevik serpent choking the Austrian eagle

what else is new you stupid whore-bitch?

 

[Correll]

By the time the US entered the War, the Naiz onslaught in Russia had already been turned around.

HItler could have won, if the Soviets had done a little worse in the summer/fall of 41.

After that, it was very unlikely.

Hitler had to go, as did all high level Nazis.

With US air superiority and/or the Atomic Bomb on the table, IMO the German Army might have been willing to take care of that.

20 July plot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

If not...

Then yes, then D-Day or Nuclear bombardment.

Your first sentence is an absolute lie.

In 1942, Hitler's armies advanced and took Stalingrad and 60% of the Caucusus oil fields. The only setback they had in 1942 was in Kursk.

You really are a very stupid person.

It is debatable whether the Nazi's "took" Stalingrad, considering that they never secured the ctiy, the fighting never stopped and that they took horrific losses that permanently weaken the German army.

For you to NOT consider that a setback shows you to be a very stupid person.

YOu know, nobody was calling anyone names until you showed up.

Almost like it's possible for reasonable people to reasonable disagree about an historical matter over 70 years ago...

You missed the point, asswipe. Germany was still on the advance in 1942. You said they were already weakened and losing in 1942. They weren't and it would have been far worse for Russia had we not entered the war end of 1941. You are trolling, nothing more.

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Stalingrad was a terrible failure. Kurst was a terrible failure. You could give them points for regaining the initiative if you want.

For a while.

And accomplishing nothing.

Yes, I am sure that makes you sad.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

So nothing from you but groundless personal attacks, situation normal.

Troll.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Your first sentence is an absolute lie.

In 1942, Hitler's armies advanced and took Stalingrad and 60% of the Caucusus oil fields. The only setback they had in 1942 was in Kursk.

You really are a very stupid person.

It is debatable whether the Nazi's "took" Stalingrad, considering that they never secured the ctiy, the fighting never stopped and that they took horrific losses that permanently weaken the German army.

For you to NOT consider that a setback shows you to be a very stupid person.

YOu know, nobody was calling anyone names until you showed up.

Almost like it's possible for reasonable people to reasonable disagree about an historical matter over 70 years ago...

You missed the point, asswipe. Germany was still on the advance in 1942. You said they were already weakened and losing in 1942. They weren't and it would have been far worse for Russia had we not entered the war end of 1941. You are trolling, nothing more.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

Stalingrad was a terrible failure. Kurst was a terrible failure. You could give them points for regaining the initiative if you want.

For a while.

And accomplishing nothing.

Yes, I am sure that makes you sad.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

So nothing from you but groundless personal attacks, situation normal.

Troll.

Irony alert.

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[toxicmedia]

By the time the US entered the War, the Naiz onslaught in Russia had already been turned around.

HItler could have won, if the Soviets had done a little worse in the summer/fall of 41.

After that, it was very unlikely.

Hitler had to go, as did all high level Nazis.

With US air superiority and/or the Atomic Bomb on the table, IMO the German Army might have been willing to take care of that.

20 July plot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

If not...

Then yes, then D-Day or Nuclear bombardment.

Your first sentence is an absolute lie.

In 1942, Hitler's armies advanced and took Stalingrad and 60% of the Caucusus oil fields. The only setback they had in 1942 was in Kursk.

You really are a very stupid person.

It is debatable whether the Nazi's "took" Stalingrad, considering that they never secured the ctiy, the fighting never stopped and that they took horrific losses that permanently weaken the German army.

For you to NOT consider that a setback shows you to be a very stupid person.

YOu know, nobody was calling anyone names until you showed up.

Almost like it's possible for reasonable people to reasonable disagree about an historical matter over 70 years ago...

You missed the point, asswipe. Germany was still on the advance in 1942. You said they were already weakened and losing in 1942. They weren't and it would have been far worse for Russia had we not entered the war end of 1941. You are trolling, nothing more.

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9515 mit Tapatalk

Stalingrad was a terrible failure. Kurst was a terrible failure. You could give them points for regaining the initiative if you want.

For a while.

And accomplishing nothing.

There are relevant comparisons of Gettysburg and Stalingrad.

Both battles were turning points, but years away from the end of both conflicts

 

[toxicmedia]

h convinced people to care about their fellow Americans

I hope the government never "cares about" you enough to throw you into a concentration camp the way that fucking scumbag FDR did to so many innocent, loyal Americans.

Alright dude, I get it, the internment camps consume you.

The same thing happens to me when people oppose gay marriage, because my brother is gay.

So it's a compelling enough reason for you to think FDR is a scumbag.

As for the rest of your attacks on FDR, they're as unoriginal as any of this crap is. This is just right wing revisionism for electioneering purposes.

I really wish I was a historian, or black, because right now righty media and GOP strategy firms pay big bucks for people to write crap that makes Democrats look bad, or at least the people Democrats look up to

 

[rightwinger]

The RW hates the inclusion of the third freedom in FDR's Four Freedoms.

Fox News has been telling these righties what makes them comfortable for enough years now, almost 20, that they'll believe anything their only source for cable news tells them...no matter how contradictory to reality it is

RW was giving FDR credit for getting Stalin to fight the Nazi.

How believable it that?

Credit for not engaging US troops when we were not ready. Stalin demanded a second front at every meeting, FDR waited two years while Russians were being killed by the millions.
And you and PC whine about how Stalin got the best of him

 

[Statistikhengst]

The RW hates the inclusion of the third freedom in FDR's Four Freedoms.

Fox News has been telling these righties what makes them comfortable for enough years now, almost 20, that they'll believe anything their only source for cable news tells them...no matter how contradictory to reality it is

RW was giving FDR credit for getting Stalin to fight the Nazi.

How believable it that?

Credit for not engaging US troops when we were not ready. Stalin demanded a second front at every meeting, FDR waited two years while Russians were being killed by the millions.
And you and PC whine about how Stalin got the best of him

Yepp.

Unlike Hitler and Stalin, both of whom did not listen to their Generals, FDR listened to ours, who told him it would take about 2 years to be able to open a second front.

FDR's actions led to us getting the maximum positive result for our side with the least possible US deaths and casualties and also led to us ending WII as the undisputed dominant Superpower in the world.

RWNJs can scream all they want, because, well, Benghazi, but at the end of the day, they cannot change facts.

 

[Unkotare]

h convinced people to care about their fellow Americans

I hope the government never "cares about" you enough to throw you into a concentration camp the way that fucking scumbag FDR did to so many innocent, loyal Americans.

Alright dude, I get it, the internment camps consume you.

All right "dude" I get that concentration camps are just fine with you as long as they are built on the order of a democrat.

 

[rightwinger]

h convinced people to care about their fellow Americans

I hope the government never "cares about" you enough to throw you into a concentration camp the way that fucking scumbag FDR did to so many innocent, loyal Americans.

Alright dude, I get it, the internment camps consume you.

All right "dude" I get that concentration camps are just fine with you as long as they are built on the order of a democrat.

In 1942 what was worse? The Japanese internment camps or lynchings in the south?

That was the era we are talking about

 

[Unkotare]

h convinced people to care about their fellow Americans

I hope the government never "cares about" you enough to throw you into a concentration camp the way that fucking scumbag FDR did to so many innocent, loyal Americans.

Alright dude, I get it, the internment camps consume you.

The same thing happens to me when people oppose gay marriage, because my brother is gay.

So it's a compelling enough reason for you to think FDR is a scumbag.

As for the rest of your attacks on FDR, they're as unoriginal as any of this crap is. This is just right wing revisionism for electioneering purposes.

I really wish I was a historian, or black, because right now righty media and GOP strategy firms pay big bucks for people to write crap that makes Democrats look bad, or at least the people Democrats look up to

Yeah, because liberals haven't been RE-writing history books for decades now.

 

[Unkotare]

h convinced people to care about their fellow Americans

I hope the government never "cares about" you enough to throw you into a concentration camp the way that fucking scumbag FDR did to so many innocent, loyal Americans.

Alright dude, I get it, the internment camps consume you.

All right "dude" I get that concentration camps are just fine with you as long as they are built on the order of a democrat.

In 1942 what was worse? The Japanese internment camps or lynchings in the south?

That was the era we are talking about

Are you living in the era of false analogies?

You are weak and getting weaker, while your herring is getting redder.

 

[MaryL]

Bowing to popular requests.....here is another thread awarding Franklin Delano Roosevelt the contumely he so richly deserves! (Actually, the sort of fake requests by folks who really don't want the truth mentioned.)



1. For the Left, Franklin Roosevelt must be seen as the brilliant savior, not only of America, but of all of the Western world! And, toward that end, all of his endeavors in aiding and abetting Stalin have to be seen as saving the world from Nazism.....
(Notice how frequently the Left anoints 'saviors'?)



Get ready: here it comes...after all.....without Roosevelt's aid to Russia, Hitler would have defeated the USSR, and the rest of the world!!!
(Cue Toccata and Fugue in D minor)

That's the alibi that Roosevelt fans use to 'explain' Roosevelt's slavish, servile, obsequious conduct toward Joseph Stalin.


Is the alibi true?








Of course not.....nothing could be further from the truth.


Actually, here is the reality:
a. Stalin would not only not have surrendered, he would have defeated Hitler!

b. He used Roosevelt to make sure that there would be no German resistance to communism in Europe post war,

c. He forced Roosevelt to refuse to accept German surrender, or armistice, extending the war by several years, and costing hundreds of thousands of American lives.






2. Today, with the research unshrouded by wartime propaganda, who believes that Stalin would have surrendered to Hitler?
Only the usual suspects, the fools who still worship Franklin Roosevelt and need the mythology and hagiography to retain the Liberal worldview of history.


Two facts that make my argument:
a. Stalin could not care less how many Russian lives were lost.... and it was Stalin, rather than Hitler, who killed the most Russians.

b. The Russians were prepared for Hitler's attack; Hitler began Operation Barbarossa with only two months supplies...


And, get this: it is impossible to make an argument that Stalin was any better than Hitler. Stalin was smarter and more devious....and far more evil...than either Hitler or Roosevelt.




3. What the heck would lead anyone to believe that Stalin would surrender to Hitler???
The fabrication is central to any argument designed to shield Roosevelt, and explain his pandering to the homicidal maniac, Stalin.

Sans the view that everything Roosevelt did saved Russia from being steam-rollered by the Nazis, surrendering to Hitler, and giving Hitler a free hand in the west.....well.....the curtain is pulled aside, and everyone can see that the wizard of Hyde Park weren't no wizard at all!

He was to Stalin what pre-pubescent teeny-boppers are to Justin Bieber....love-sick.

We funded Russia because they were the enemy of our enemy. FDR didn't know how much a monster Stalin was at the time. We also Funded Great Brittan. Brits and Europeans always credit Russia with winning the war, they always seem to leave that out. FDR wasn't a saint, true enough. But GW Bush, MR. WMDs that weren't there invading Iraq and destabilizing the area, lets get back to more relevant and recent political American villains.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Bowing to popular requests.....here is another thread awarding Franklin Delano Roosevelt the contumely he so richly deserves! (Actually, the sort of fake requests by folks who really don't want the truth mentioned.)



1. For the Left, Franklin Roosevelt must be seen as the brilliant savior, not only of America, but of all of the Western world! And, toward that end, all of his endeavors in aiding and abetting Stalin have to be seen as saving the world from Nazism.....
(Notice how frequently the Left anoints 'saviors'?)



Get ready: here it comes...after all.....without Roosevelt's aid to Russia, Hitler would have defeated the USSR, and the rest of the world!!!
(Cue Toccata and Fugue in D minor)

That's the alibi that Roosevelt fans use to 'explain' Roosevelt's slavish, servile, obsequious conduct toward Joseph Stalin.


Is the alibi true?








Of course not.....nothing could be further from the truth.


Actually, here is the reality:
a. Stalin would not only not have surrendered, he would have defeated Hitler!

b. He used Roosevelt to make sure that there would be no German resistance to communism in Europe post war,

c. He forced Roosevelt to refuse to accept German surrender, or armistice, extending the war by several years, and costing hundreds of thousands of American lives.






2. Today, with the research unshrouded by wartime propaganda, who believes that Stalin would have surrendered to Hitler?
Only the usual suspects, the fools who still worship Franklin Roosevelt and need the mythology and hagiography to retain the Liberal worldview of history.


Two facts that make my argument:
a. Stalin could not care less how many Russian lives were lost.... and it was Stalin, rather than Hitler, who killed the most Russians.

b. The Russians were prepared for Hitler's attack; Hitler began Operation Barbarossa with only two months supplies...


And, get this: it is impossible to make an argument that Stalin was any better than Hitler. Stalin was smarter and more devious....and far more evil...than either Hitler or Roosevelt.




3. What the heck would lead anyone to believe that Stalin would surrender to Hitler???
The fabrication is central to any argument designed to shield Roosevelt, and explain his pandering to the homicidal maniac, Stalin.

Sans the view that everything Roosevelt did saved Russia from being steam-rollered by the Nazis, surrendering to Hitler, and giving Hitler a free hand in the west.....well.....the curtain is pulled aside, and everyone can see that the wizard of Hyde Park weren't no wizard at all!

He was to Stalin what pre-pubescent teeny-boppers are to Justin Bieber....love-sick.

We funded Russia because they were the enemy of our enemy. FDR didn't know how much a monster Stalin was at the time. We also Funded Great Brittan. Brits and Europeans always credit Russia with winning the war, they always seem to leave that out. FDR wasn't a saint, true enough. But GW Bush, MR. WMDs that weren't there invading Iraq and destabilizing the area, lets get back to more relevant and recent political American villains.

Your post reeks of such abysmal ignorance, one scarcely knows where to begin.

Perhaps you should invest in a library card.

1. Roosevelt rushed to do what no previous President had chosen to do: recognize Russia and give it world entree.
That was 1933.
Who was the enemy he was shielding us from in 1933?

2. "FDR didn't know how much a monster Stalin was at the time."
Eight months earlier, journalist Gareth Jones had exposed Stalin's Terror Famine: "In the train a Communist denied to me that there was a famine. I flung a crust of bread which I had been eating from my own supply into a spittoon. A peasant fellow-passenger fished it out and ravenously ate it." Gareth Jones journalist - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

a. Malcolm Muggeridge "was the first writer to reveal the true nature of Stalin s regime when in 1933 he exposed the terror famine in the Ukraine. " Time and Eternity The Uncollected Writings of Malcolm Muggeridge Malcolm Muggeridge Nicholas Flynn 9781570759055 Amazon.com Books

Everyone knew, you dunce!