Expert: President Trump can issue executive order stopping family separations at the border

[Cecilie1200]

Political scientist Larry Sabato notes:

"Good for you, Melania. Now ask your husband to issue an executive order to stop this cruel policy. POTUS can end it TODAY. No need for Congress to act."

Larry Sabato on Twitter

Um, no he can’t. This is what token negro did, tried to use his pen and phone, but only made a bigger mess. I find it odd that you libtards are so keen to surround these “children” with molesters and murderers by putting them in jail with their parents.

There was no token negro. And this is a Trump policy.

Enforcing the law is, and as BriPat said before, it's sad and pathetic that enforcing the law is such a new thing, and that you leftists admit it.

Then enforce the law on the white ass euros who are here on visa overstays.

Who said it wasn't being enforced?

Oh, I know, YOU just "know" it isn't, and you'd REALLY like it if we utterly ignored the vast majority of illegal immigrants to focus all our attention on a tiny minority of them.

There is not enough "piss off" in the world for you.

 

[ptbw forever]

Aaaand let me guess, none of the leftists on this board are satisfied with the executive order Trump just signed.

Get a clue. They never will be. They don't want them incarcerated with their parents, they don't want them separated. What other option is there? Let them go?

We already tried that.

Remember when Trump lovers said that only Democrats can stop this?

You do know that Trump didn't actually stop anything, right?

 

[xyz]

nya nya nya Obama. But... but..Hillary

 

[Cecilie1200]

"In the House, GOP leaders scrambled Tuesday to produce a revised version of the broader immigration bill that would keep children in detention longer than now permitted — but with their parents."

Someone explain why it's ONLY the GOP "scrambling" to produce legislation. Do we not have any Democrats in Congress? Have they suddenly become incapable of proposing legislation? Or are they just too busy demagoguing to do their jobs?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Sorry, that previous post was quoting Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border

"Sen. Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader from New York, is adamant that Trump can end the family separations on his own and that legislation is not needed." So am I to understand that Senator Schumer will refuse to vote for an end to this problem? Is it that he doesn't really WANT an end to this, or is it that he doesn't want to do his job?

 

[Slade3200]

That’s a scapegoat. I agree that the law should be fixed by congress, but facts are that Trump is in charge of how the laws are enforced. Trump decided to go zero tolerance which resulted in this mess and now he is complaining about the mess that he created and trying to blame congress.

Since its been going on since at least 2014 I'd say it was a mess created then though no one was complaining.

You do know who the POTUS was in 2014 do you not??

Sure, Obama was president in 2014, if you need to point the finger at Obama to feel better then go right ahead, if you need to change the focus of the conversation towards partisan hypocrisy then go right ahead but none of that changes the facts. Those are weak diversions. Trump issued a directive of zero tolerance that directly impacted this problem. He could undo it with a phone call. He is trying to use it as leverage to get his wall. The Left is politicizing the shit out of this to make Trump look heartless. That’s what’s happening and while it’s all happening the problem with kids at the border is really happening and it is disgusting.

Guess you missed the pictures.

What about my statement makes you think I missed the pictures? Sounds like you missed the point. Read slower

Oh I didn't miss the point. Sounds like you missed the entire thing.

Those pictures were taken in 2014. Who was POTUS in 2014??

I already answered that. Are you having a hard time following? Here I’ll paste my previous response....


Obama was president in 2014, if you need to point the finger at Obama to feel better then go right ahead, if you need to change the focus of the conversation towards partisan hypocrisy then go right ahead but none of that changes the facts. Those are weak diversions. Trump issued a directive of zero tolerance that directly impacted this problem. He could undo it with a phone call. He is trying to use it as leverage to get his wall. The Left is politicizing the shit out of this to make Trump look heartless. That’s what’s happening and while it’s all happening the problem with kids at the border is really happening and it is disgusting.

 

[Slade3200]

Obama didn't separate children from their parents. Be smart.

Obama didn't enforce the law. Should've impeached him then.

What law are you talking about? Be specific

What fucking law are we talking about? That's a stupid question.
Law one that says immigrating at points not of legal entry are illegal.
Law two that says it's a crime to illegally enter.
Law three that says it's illegal to incarcerate children with adults. This was created by a Judge.
The goal is to not allow anyone to enter the US illegally.
Catch and release means they get to live in America. Then they don't show up when it's time to deport their asses. That is not how it's supposed to work. So because they fail to show up to be deported we have to incarcerate them until we deport them to guarantee they actually show up for it.
Law four that says if their not a Mexican or Canadian citizen we can't do same day deportations without first giving them a hearing in a court of law.

Show me the law that says the punishment for crossing the border is automatic deportation. You won’t be able to find that because the law does not define a mandated punishment, it leaves discretion for enforcement to the courts, attorney general and executive.

Then we need to change the law.
Not only should it mean automatic deportation but it should mean that those individuals illegally crossing the border aren't allowed to legally immigrate either.

That’s fine you can fight for that change but don’t pretend like that’s what the current rules are

 

[Slade3200]

No I don’t think people need to go to jail for misdemeanor offenses

Is that so ? Why not ?

Why not? Because they are not serious offenses. Do you think we should throw jaywalkers in jail as well? How about people who run stop signs or speed? Kind of a silly question don’t you think?

It is an option to put an offender in jail on a misdemeanor...especially if the offender doesn't have a fixed address.

Depends on the misdemeanor. Leftists seem to think "misdemeanor" automatically means something like littering. In fact, there are a lot of misdemeanors for which a person is arrested, illegal border crossing (the first time) among them. Driving without a valid license is a misdemeanor, but they'll still arrest you for it.

How is it determined which misdemeanors warrant an arrest and which do not?

 

[xyz]

He signed the executive order, which still allows for exceptions.

In any case, I think Congress should conduct an investigation into what happened before.

 

[Slade3200]

Sorry, that previous post was quoting Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border

"Sen. Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader from New York, is adamant that Trump can end the family separations on his own and that legislation is not needed." So am I to understand that Senator Schumer will refuse to vote for an end to this problem? Is it that he doesn't really WANT an end to this, or is it that he doesn't want to do his job?

No you are definitely not understanding. There is no stand alone bill being proposed to fix this problem. The bills beingnoroposed are packed with the other issues that are being debated... wall, lottery, chain etc

 

[Cecilie1200]

He signed the executive order, which still allows for exceptions.

In any case, I think Congress should conduct an investigation into what happened when this was in effect.

An investigation of WHAT, precisely?

 

[bripat9643]

Political scientist Larry Sabato notes:

"Good for you, Melania. Now ask your husband to issue an executive order to stop this cruel policy. POTUS can end it TODAY. No need for Congress to act."

Larry Sabato on Twitter

The separating of children from their illegal migrant parents is part of an actual law; congress would have to actually change the law.

No it is not.

Yes it is.

Wrong.

Not wrong.

 

[xyz]

He signed the executive order, which still allows for exceptions.

In any case, I think Congress should conduct an investigation into what happened when this was in effect.

An investigation of WHAT, precisely?

I didn't write clearly. The child separations, detentions, as well as current conditions for detention.

 

[Slyhunter]

Sorry, that previous post was quoting Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border

"Sen. Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader from New York, is adamant that Trump can end the family separations on his own and that legislation is not needed." So am I to understand that Senator Schumer will refuse to vote for an end to this problem? Is it that he doesn't really WANT an end to this, or is it that he doesn't want to do his job?

No you are definitely not understanding. There is no stand alone bill being proposed to fix this problem. The bills beingnoroposed are packed with the other issues that are being debated... wall, lottery, chain etc

The solution is an impenetrable border that they can't enter.
Problem solved.

 

[Cecilie1200]

He signed the executive order, which still allows for exceptions.

In any case, I think Congress should conduct an investigation into what happened when this was in effect.

An investigation of WHAT, precisely?

I didn't write clearly. The child separations, detentions, as well as current conditions for detention.

And again I ask, what do you want investigated? What information do you not already have?

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Political scientist Larry Sabato notes:

"Good for you, Melania. Now ask your husband to issue an executive order to stop this cruel policy. POTUS can end it TODAY. No need for Congress to act."

Larry Sabato on Twitter

"political scientist" is a euphemism meaning "commie propagandist." Any such order would violate the Constitution.

So you'll be demanding Trump to be impeached in 3, 2, 1......... one half........one quarter.........one 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[bripat9643]

Just to inject a little context and perspective here: You realize that separating illegal families began under . . . Obama, right? Right? You know that, right?

So what? What does that have to do with anything that’s going on now? Do you really think that distracting from the situation by trying to point out political hypocrisy is of any help?

Are you trying to make a point that since Dems didn’t complain about it under Obama then they have no right to complain about what’s happening now? Fine, fair point so all the partisan hacks can beat it... so now that it is us moderates and independents left, what do you think about the issue at hand?

The point is that the kids in cages issue shows that Dems have a credibility gap and that it's a faux issue.
Once again the Dirty Dems are fanning the flames of hate for votes.

Calling it a faux issue may make you feel better but it’s far from the truth. It’s a real issue and that pretty plain to see.

It's a scam, a con, a giant piece of shit.

 

[Slade3200]

Sorry, that previous post was quoting Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border

"Sen. Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader from New York, is adamant that Trump can end the family separations on his own and that legislation is not needed." So am I to understand that Senator Schumer will refuse to vote for an end to this problem? Is it that he doesn't really WANT an end to this, or is it that he doesn't want to do his job?

No you are definitely not understanding. There is no stand alone bill being proposed to fix this problem. The bills beingnoroposed are packed with the other issues that are being debated... wall, lottery, chain etc

The solution is an impenetrable border that they can't enter.
Problem solved.

If that’s what you want to support then go right ahead. Doesn’t really have anything to do with this conversation though

 

[bripat9643]

So solve the problem by changing the law he's enforcing.

That’s a scapegoat. I agree that the law should be fixed by congress, but facts are that Trump is in charge of how the laws are enforced. Trump decided to go zero tolerance which resulted in this mess and now he is complaining about the mess that he created and trying to blame congress.

Since its been going on since at least 2014 I'd say it was a mess created then though no one was complaining.

You do know who the POTUS was in 2014 do you not??

Sure, Obama was president in 2014, if you need to point the finger at Obama to feel better then go right ahead, if you need to change the focus of the conversation towards partisan hypocrisy then go right ahead but none of that changes the facts. Those are weak diversions. Trump issued a directive of zero tolerance that directly impacted this problem. He could undo it with a phone call. He is trying to use it as leverage to get his wall. The Left is politicizing the shit out of this to make Trump look heartless. That’s what’s happening and while it’s all happening the problem with kids at the border is really happening and it is disgusting.

Guess you missed the pictures.

You’re fucking deranged.

There are no pictures of Obama breaking up families.

MSNBC Panel Admits Obama Also Separated Immigrant Families

 

[Slade3200]

Just to inject a little context and perspective here: You realize that separating illegal families began under . . . Obama, right? Right? You know that, right?

So what? What does that have to do with anything that’s going on now? Do you really think that distracting from the situation by trying to point out political hypocrisy is of any help?

Are you trying to make a point that since Dems didn’t complain about it under Obama then they have no right to complain about what’s happening now? Fine, fair point so all the partisan hacks can beat it... so now that it is us moderates and independents left, what do you think about the issue at hand?

The point is that the kids in cages issue shows that Dems have a credibility gap and that it's a faux issue.
Once again the Dirty Dems are fanning the flames of hate for votes.

Calling it a faux issue may make you feel better but it’s far from the truth. It’s a real issue and that pretty plain to see.

It's a scam, a con, a giant piece of shit.

You’re right. All those kids are probably just paid actors like in sandy hook.