Exposing Indoctrination

[whitehall]

Factor in David Horowitz's claim that every single high profile republican speaker has been a victim of assault (zero democrats) on a college campus sometime or many times in their career and you get indoctrination on a high education level. It seems that college students weren't fazed by the terrorist carnage recently in Europe but they were so traumatized by chalk written pro Trump stuff that the dean had to hire a counselor. It's indoctrinization to the point of insanity on college campus.

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. Was Henry A. Wallace, the man demanded by FDR, a communist?
You betcha'!!!


a. Henry Wallace, 1940-1944. “America’s main enemy was Churchill and the British Empire.” He insisted that peace would be assured“if the United States guaranteed Stalin control of Eastern Europe.”
(Ronad Radosh, “Progressively Worse,”The New Republic, June 12, 2000)

b. When Stalin seized Czechoslovakia,Wallace sided with Stalin. When Stalin blockaded Berlin, Wallace opposed the Berlin Airlift. After visiting a Soviet slave camp, Wallace enthusiastically described it a s a “combination TVA and Hudson Bay Company.”Ibid,

c. In 1948, at the apex of Moscow-directed subversion of US politics, FDR’s VP Henry Wallace, former Sec’y of Agriculture, to form the Communist-dominated and Soviet-backed “Progressive Party.” Of course, Wallace’s “Progressives” allowed not even the most peripheral criticism of Soviet aggression. (John Patrick Diggins, “Good Intentions,”The National Interest, Fall, 2000)

The progressives received one million votes.The Communist Party USA did not field a presidential candidate, and instead endorsed Wallace for President.(Progressive Party (United States, 1948) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


d.Wallace met personally with KGB agents.(Allen Weinstein and Alexander Vassiliev,Haunted Woods, p. 119)

e. “…several prominent journalists, including H.L. Mencken and Dorothy Thompson, publicly charged that Wallace and the Progressives were under the covert control of Communists. Wallace was endorsed by the Communist Party (USA),and his subsequent refusal to publicly disavow any Communist support cost him the backing of many anti-Communist liberals and socialists…” (Henry A. Wallace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

f. In his diary, Wallace, whose view of the future of America required Soviet-style Communism,wrote that FDR had assured him that he was a few years ahead of his time, but that his vision for American would “inevitably come.” (John Patrick Diggins, “Good Intentions,”The National Interest, Fall, 2000)



He walked like a duck, quacked like a duck.....he was a communist.
So.....as it is the thesis of this thread that Liberals/Democrats subscribe to totally inconsistent views, and incorporate these diametric opposites as the basis of his thinking....but that is exactly what happens, daily, on the Left side of the political spectrum.



How does a Liberal respond when said communism is revealed?
This way: "Is not, is nooootttttttt!!!"

 

[ZackB]

2. Karl Marx was the first of the modern progenitors of political doctrine who outright endorsed genocide. Yes....the slaughter of those who disagreed with his views.....and his followers did just that.

Sigh...

Okay, for those who haven't played before.

The Mail Order Bride from Hell writes one of these OCD Numbered screeds with some crazy point full of unattributed quotes..

People then come on and mock her.

Then she keeps posting it. People mock that. Then she gets all angry we aren't recognizing how brilliant she is because she got a doctorate from the University of Phoenix or something.

The crazy bitch recently got me banned for a week for making fun of her. I can only imagine the ridiculous volume and content of messages to the mods. I asked the banning mod for a sample, just for shits and giggles, but he did not oblige.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. According to Liberals and Progressives, the greatest President of the last hundred years was the very man who made certain that communism survived, world wide, and had a cozy home in the United States, too.


Cozy home? FDR even set up Stalin's agent in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House. Really. The spy lived in the White House.


a. "Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins


b. Life magazine ran a spread on Hopkins on September 22, 1941, calling his a one-man cabinet to Roosevelt. In fact, he lived at the White House, in the Lincoln Bedroom, from May 1940 to December 1943. LIFE, p. 93.





It is difficult to conceive of a college educated adult American who can subscribe to totally inconsistent views, and incorporate these diametric opposites as the basis of his thinking....but that is exactly what happens, daily, on the Left side of the political spectrum.


The basic worldview of Liberals is as follows: "Our side believes in goodness and virtue, and the equally of all men, yet embraces the most evil and pathological of political doctrines. So there!"

"This article is a model of how to evaluate historical evidence and shows the perils involved when isolated data is plucked from historical evidence without adequate acquaintance with the sources themselves or with the scholarly discourse concerning them. It also shows why those who insist Hopkins was a Soviet agent have not carried out a scholarly inquiry and why their conclusions are unreliable."
Editors, Front Page Magazine

Harry Hopkins was not a spy or in league with the Russians. Even the ultra-conservative Front Page Magazine saw fit to publish a lengthy detailed article by historians John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr explaining how the claim against Hopkins had been debunked with the Vassiliev Notebooks.

For decades, the only purported evidence that Hopkins was a spy was a speculation that 'Agent 19" in the declassified Venona Papers referred to Hopkins. The Vassilev notes named Agent 19 as Laurence Duggan, not Hopkins.

www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/200900/was-harry-hopkins-soviet-spy-john-earl-haynes

"Harry Hopkins was not a spy or in league with the Russians."

Wow.....look who's back.....doing what he always tried to do: defend the indefensible.

The FDR apologist is also compatriot of yet another communist...Harry Hopkins, FDR's live-in Stalinist!
What a surprise!


1. Mitrokhin's documents showed that Hopkins had warned the Soviet ambassador that the FBI had learned through a bug it had placed in the home of Steve Nelson, a Soviet illegal agent, that Nelson was getting money from the embassy. He met (KGB head in USA) Ahkmerov from time to time, giving him information to send to Moscow and receiving secret messages from Stalin....Ray Wannall, former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence, says he always suspected that Hopkins was a Soviet agent and that this is proof of his treachery.
http://seed-flame.blogspot.com/2012/02/16-venona-secrets.html

2. "...the New Yorker described Hopkins as “an articulate propagandist for all-out aid to the Russians.” Yet the presidential aide’s influence became the subject of controversy in 1949, when a U.S. Army officer who had worked in the Lend-Lease program, Maj. George R. Jordan, testified to Congress that wartime shipments to Russia approved by Hopkins included uranium and other materials necessary to the development of atomic weapons. Jordan testified that the Soviets also used Lend-Lease shipments to smuggle back to Moscow classified U.S. documents about the top-secret Manhattan Project. Much of Jordan’s testimony about the flow of stolen secrets to Moscow was corroborated byVictor Kravchenko, a Soviet official who defected in 1944 — and whom Hopkins unsuccessfully sought to have handed back over to the Russians. http://www.viralread.com/2013/06/05/top-fdr-aide-hopkins-was-soviet-agent-book-examines-betrayal/

3. In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, Wm.Bullitt warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy. He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.' He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies. "For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 575-590

FDR replied: "Bill, I don't dispute your facts, they are accurate, I don't dispute the logic of your reasoning. I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."
William C. Bullitt, "How We Won The War and Lost The Peace," Life Magazine, August 30, 1948, p. 94

5. According to Liberals and Progressives, the greatest President of the last hundred years was the very man who made certain that communism survived, world wide, and had a cozy home in the United States, too.


Cozy home? FDR even set up Stalin's agent in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House. Really. The spy lived in the White House.


a. "Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins


b. Life magazine ran a spread on Hopkins on September 22, 1941, calling his a one-man cabinet to Roosevelt. In fact, he lived at the White House, in the Lincoln Bedroom, from May 1940 to December 1943. LIFE, p. 93.





It is difficult to conceive of a college educated adult American who can subscribe to totally inconsistent views, and incorporate these diametric opposites as the basis of his thinking....but that is exactly what happens, daily, on the Left side of the political spectrum.


The basic worldview of Liberals is as follows: "Our side believes in goodness and virtue, and the equally of all men, yet embraces the most evil and pathological of political doctrines. So there!"

"This article is a model of how to evaluate historical evidence and shows the perils involved when isolated data is plucked from historical evidence without adequate acquaintance with the sources themselves or with the scholarly discourse concerning them. It also shows why those who insist Hopkins was a Soviet agent have not carried out a scholarly inquiry and why their conclusions are unreliable."
Editors, Front Page Magazine

Harry Hopkins was not a spy or in league with the Russians. Even the ultra-conservative Front Page Magazine saw fit to publish a lengthy detailed article by historians John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr explaining how the claim against Hopkins had been debunked with the Vassiliev Notebooks.

For decades, the only purported evidence that Hopkins was a spy was a speculation that 'Agent 19" in the declassified Venona Papers referred to Hopkins. The Vassilev notes named Agent 19 as Laurence Duggan, not Hopkins.

www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/200900/was-harry-hopkins-soviet-spy-john-earl-haynes

Harry Hopkins was as much a Soviet spy as you are an FDR boot-licker.
So....I prove one, I prove both.


1. Life magazine ran a spread on Hopkins on September 22, 1941, calling his a one-man cabinet to Roosevelt. In fact, he lived at the White House, in the Lincoln Bedroom, from May 1940 to December 1943. LIFE, p. 93.

2. Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins

3. Hopkins, the redistributionist: "When a democratic victory is won, then the great wealth of the world must be shared with all people."

4. In his speech to a pro-Russia rally at Madison Square Garden, June 22, 1942, Hopkins said: "But no Utopia was ever won without struggle and without the struggle to abolish poverty in the world...." So, WWII was a "war on poverty"?

5. The leading evidence that Hopkins was a spy for Joseph Stalin is presented by Herbert Romerstein and Eric Breindel in their 2000 book,The Venona Secrets: Exposing Soviet Espionage and America's Traitor

a. Their evidence is, first, that Soviet KGB defector,Oleg Gordievsky, said that Hopkins was in regular communication with top Soviet covert operative,Iskhak Akhmerov, in New York City. This was more than just a "back channel" for communication between Roosevelt and Stalin because Hopkins had existing back channels at the Soviet embassy that he used, and Akhmerov's identity as an operative was not supposed to be known to the U.S. government.

b.Second, the Venona project decrypts of Soviet communications with its spies, which came to light only in the 1990s, reveal a report on a Washington discussion between Roosevelt and Winston Churchill by an "agent 19." Only Harry Hopkins among suspected Soviet agents would have been privy to that conversation.

c. Third, former Communist Whittaker Chambers testified to Congress in 1948 about the formation of Communist "study groups" within the U.S. government from which espionage agents were recruited. One of those groups, led byLee Pressman, was established within the Department of Agriculture in late 1933, and Hopkins was a member of that group.

d. Fourth, his policies were strongly pro-Soviet, particularly in his work as head of the Lend-Lease program. http://www.dcdave.com/article5/110211.htm

 

[Dragonlady]

1984 is probably the only book the Moonie Mail Order Bride has been allowed to read during her captivity...

Oh...gee....another "I hate you" post from a dunce who is unable to counter nor deny anything in one more of my unassailable OPs.


When will you catch on: you belong in a intellectual discussion the way a port BBQ pit belongs in Mecca.

McCarthyism was inherently evil and its imposition is in direct opposition to the free speech and freedom of association provisions in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. That people lost their jobs, their families and their friends because they had, in their youth, thought that looking out for others was a good idea, and they hadn't yet learned that communism will never work because it denies basic human nature is disgraceful. So much for American freedoms.

Much like the current paranoia over ISIS in the US, communism was never any threat to take over the US government, but that didn't keep Republicans from whipping up a frenzy of fear by way of the House Un-American Activities Committee. This Committee in and of itself was Un-American because it was investigating people who exercised their right to freedom of speech and freedom of association. The rest of the world laughed at American fear of a "commie under every bed". The fact that the biggest insult you and the other lightweights here can come up with is still "commie". Bernie Sanders is a "commie".

And the Hiss and Rosenberg trials were part of the excesses of the McCarthy era. History doesn't place much emphasis on these cases because they proved to be irrelevant to history, other than as examples of the paranoia of the times. As a spy case, no major secrets were lost, none that impacted the Cold War in any major way. The Hiss disclosures being rather more important than the others. These cases were only important at the time because of the hysteria that was McCarthyism. There has always been some discussion as to whether or not the Rosenbergs were guilty or not. Their children worked tirelessly to prove their innocence.

And, unlike like you, who neither knows or understands what you're copying and pasting, I wrote every word myself.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

The first settlers to build a colonie in North America were are killed by the local Indians.

 

[Moonglow]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

The first settlers to build a colonie in North America were are killed by the local Indians.

I dee...knot...

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

The first settlers to build a colonie in North America were are killed by the local Indians.

I dee...knot...

Yes, the Indians were no less brutal than the settlers.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1984 is probably the only book the Moonie Mail Order Bride has been allowed to read during her captivity...

Oh...gee....another "I hate you" post from a dunce who is unable to counter nor deny anything in one more of my unassailable OPs.


When will you catch on: you belong in a intellectual discussion the way a port BBQ pit belongs in Mecca.

McCarthyism was inherently evil and its imposition is in direct opposition to the free speech and freedom of association provisions in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. That people lost their jobs, their families and their friends because they had, in their youth, thought that looking out for others was a good idea, and they hadn't yet learned that communism will never work because it denies basic human nature is disgraceful. So much for American freedoms.

Much like the current paranoia over ISIS in the US, communism was never any threat to take over the US government, but that didn't keep Republicans from whipping up a frenzy of fear by way of the House Un-American Activities Committee. This Committee in and of itself was Un-American because it was investigating people who exercised their right to freedom of speech and freedom of association. The rest of the world laughed at American fear of a "commie under every bed". The fact that the biggest insult you and the other lightweights here can come up with is still "commie". Bernie Sanders is a "commie".

And the Hiss and Rosenberg trials were part of the excesses of the McCarthy era. History doesn't place much emphasis on these cases because they proved to be irrelevant to history, other than as examples of the paranoia of the times. As a spy case, no major secrets were lost, none that impacted the Cold War in any major way. The Hiss disclosures being rather more important than the others. These cases were only important at the time because of the hysteria that was McCarthyism. There has always been some discussion as to whether or not the Rosenbergs were guilty or not. Their children worked tirelessly to prove their innocence.

And, unlike like you, who neither knows or understands what you're copying and pasting, I wrote every word myself.

"McCarthyism was inherently evil blah blah blah....."

And yet another post from a brain-dead Liberal drone, for whom indoctrination has become the way of life.

Imagine this moron standing up for folks who sold America out to Joseph Stalin.



I really bring 'em out of the woodwork, don't I.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

The first settlers to build a colonie in North America were are killed by the local Indians.

I dee...knot...

Yes, the Indians were no less brutal than the settlers.

Sorry, Wild Bill....you haven't gone halfway far enough.
Indians were stone age savages.

1. March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre:Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


2. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with theNarragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


3. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


One more?

4. "Several months earlier, in September, 1874, Catherine German and her family had been moving up the Smoky Hill River in western Kansas with everything they owned in the back of a covered wagon. The Germans, originally from Georgia, were bound for Colorado and a fresh start. Just moments after breaking camp that morning, the family was surprised by Indians. Within minutes the wagon was in flames, the mother, father, and two children were dead and scalped, and four daughters — Catherine, aged 17, Sophia, 12, and little Julia and Addie, aged 7 and 5 respectively — were carried off into captivity.

Catherine’s story is not a pretty one to relate.

There are no Harlequin Romance endings here; noDances With WolvesHollywood nonsense; no silly sentimentality. Catherine was raped repeatedly during her captivity, as was her sister, Sophia; both were traded back and forth from one brave to the next; both were transformed into tribal prostitutes, their worth measured in horses. Each time the frail young women were forced to fetch wood or water for their respective lodges, each trembled in fear for each could expect to be raped as many as six times per trip.

Although the details surrounding Catherine’s rescue are a bit unusual, the conditions of her captivity are not. During the research for my book,Scalp Dance: Indian Warfare on the High Plains, 1865–1879

, I had a chance to study at random the ordeals of some dozen young women captured by Indians, including Catherine German and her sisters. With little variation, the accounts told the same sad story—rape, enslavement, brutality, beatings, abuse. For good reason I named their chapter in the book, “A Fate Worse Than Death.”
Thomas Goodrich, "A Fate Worse Than Death" | Counter-Currents Publishing

 

[JoeB131]

"The thing is, they weren't from "India", so why do you keep calling them "Indians"? "

As I have shown that they weren't 'native' to the continent, what would you like to call them?


And watch your language....it shows how angry you are that I've destroyed you again.

Uh, I didn't use any bad words... that time.

Native Americans is what they call themselves, which is good for me. But if you want to call them indigenous tribes or first nations, that works for me. But they weren't "Indians"

And we genocided the shit out of them.

Mass murder is kind of like the ladies in the old south. They all knew who fathered the mulattos on the neighbor's plantation but never their own. So you go on about Mao and Stalin but never want to talk about the Native Americans or the Slave trade, which were equally "Genocidal".

Here's the thing. Human being are shitty to each other regardless of ideology, and there's no honor in being the Leper with the Most Fingers.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"The thing is, they weren't from "India", so why do you keep calling them "Indians"? "

As I have shown that they weren't 'native' to the continent, what would you like to call them?


And watch your language....it shows how angry you are that I've destroyed you again.

Uh, I didn't use any bad words... that time.

Native Americans is what they call themselves, which is good for me. But if you want to call them indigenous tribes or first nations, that works for me. But they weren't "Indians"

And we genocided the shit out of them.

Mass murder is kind of like the ladies in the old south. They all knew who fathered the mulattos on the neighbor's plantation but never their own. So you go on about Mao and Stalin but never want to talk about the Native Americans or the Slave trade, which were equally "Genocidal".

Here's the thing. Human being are shitty to each other regardless of ideology, and there's no honor in being the Leper with the Most Fingers.

You have that 'voluntary Tourettes' problem.

And..."if you want to call them indigenous tribes or first nations,..."
clearly you don't understand the term 'indigenous.'


Both of the above testify to your stupidity.

 

[ptbw forever]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

The first settlers to build a colonie in North America were are killed by the local Indians.

I dee...knot...

Yes, the Indians were no less brutal than the settlers.

Sorry, Wild Bill....you haven't gone halfway far enough.
Indians were stone age savages.

1. March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre:Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


2. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with theNarragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


3. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


One more?

4. "Several months earlier, in September, 1874, Catherine German and her family had been moving up the Smoky Hill River in western Kansas with everything they owned in the back of a covered wagon. The Germans, originally from Georgia, were bound for Colorado and a fresh start. Just moments after breaking camp that morning, the family was surprised by Indians. Within minutes the wagon was in flames, the mother, father, and two children were dead and scalped, and four daughters — Catherine, aged 17, Sophia, 12, and little Julia and Addie, aged 7 and 5 respectively — were carried off into captivity.

Catherine’s story is not a pretty one to relate.

There are no Harlequin Romance endings here; noDances With WolvesHollywood nonsense; no silly sentimentality. Catherine was raped repeatedly during her captivity, as was her sister, Sophia; both were traded back and forth from one brave to the next; both were transformed into tribal prostitutes, their worth measured in horses. Each time the frail young women were forced to fetch wood or water for their respective lodges, each trembled in fear for each could expect to be raped as many as six times per trip.

Although the details surrounding Catherine’s rescue are a bit unusual, the conditions of her captivity are not. During the research for my book,Scalp Dance: Indian Warfare on the High Plains, 1865–1879

, I had a chance to study at random the ordeals of some dozen young women captured by Indians, including Catherine German and her sisters. With little variation, the accounts told the same sad story—rape, enslavement, brutality, beatings, abuse. For good reason I named their chapter in the book, “A Fate Worse Than Death.”
Thomas Goodrich, "A Fate Worse Than Death" | Counter-Currents Publishing

You have to realize that the "progressives" don't care what happens to white people.

White lives don't matter to the Democrats of today.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

The first settlers to build a colonie in North America were are killed by the local Indians.

I dee...knot...

Yes, the Indians were no less brutal than the settlers.

Sorry, Wild Bill....you haven't gone halfway far enough.
Indians were stone age savages.

1. March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre:Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


2. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with theNarragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


3. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


One more?

4. "Several months earlier, in September, 1874, Catherine German and her family had been moving up the Smoky Hill River in western Kansas with everything they owned in the back of a covered wagon. The Germans, originally from Georgia, were bound for Colorado and a fresh start. Just moments after breaking camp that morning, the family was surprised by Indians. Within minutes the wagon was in flames, the mother, father, and two children were dead and scalped, and four daughters — Catherine, aged 17, Sophia, 12, and little Julia and Addie, aged 7 and 5 respectively — were carried off into captivity.

Catherine’s story is not a pretty one to relate.

There are no Harlequin Romance endings here; noDances With WolvesHollywood nonsense; no silly sentimentality. Catherine was raped repeatedly during her captivity, as was her sister, Sophia; both were traded back and forth from one brave to the next; both were transformed into tribal prostitutes, their worth measured in horses. Each time the frail young women were forced to fetch wood or water for their respective lodges, each trembled in fear for each could expect to be raped as many as six times per trip.

Although the details surrounding Catherine’s rescue are a bit unusual, the conditions of her captivity are not. During the research for my book,Scalp Dance: Indian Warfare on the High Plains, 1865–1879

, I had a chance to study at random the ordeals of some dozen young women captured by Indians, including Catherine German and her sisters. With little variation, the accounts told the same sad story—rape, enslavement, brutality, beatings, abuse. For good reason I named their chapter in the book, “A Fate Worse Than Death.”
Thomas Goodrich, "A Fate Worse Than Death" | Counter-Currents Publishing

You have to realize that the "progressives" don't care what happens to white people.

White lives don't matter to the Democrats of today.

Actually, the Left has nothing more than a shrug no matter which lives are lost....

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

...but they know what to say to accrue votes and power.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. So.....as it is the thesis of this thread that Liberals/Democrats subscribe to totally inconsistent views, and incorporate these diametric opposites as the basis of his thinking....but that is exactly what happens, daily, on the Left side of the political spectrum.


How does a Liberal respond when said communism is revealed?
" Since Wallace was never a member of the Communist Party- and never called himself a Communist-and instead belonged to other political parties his entire life- all you did was provide direct quotes of people who also never said that Wallace was a communist."
Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan


"...the lies you are perpetrating in this thread. The Vice President of the USA during WWII was not a communist. "
Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan


"....prove that FDR insisted on having a communist as VP. "Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan



"And again- where in all of that Conspiracy crap- is there 'proof' that Henry Wallace was a communist? Once again- just you pulling crap out of your ass." Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan


Again- waiting for you to actually prove one of the things you have posted- prove that FDR insisted on having a communist as VP. Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan



9. ".... her claims are not mistakes, they are purposeful lies and efforts at disinformation." Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan


" There is nothing in [your posts] that confirms Wallace as a communist and certainly not as a sitting VP communist. You are giving speculation and opinion, nothing more. " Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan


Here we go:

There is this.... "…historian John Lewis Gaddis has written that “there is Soviet documentation that Wallace was regularly reporting to the Kremlin in 1945 and 1946 while he was in the Truman administration,” and that later, when Truman was considering a secret effort to approach the Soviets, his effort was “blown wide open by Wallace when he was running for president on the Progressive Party ticket” in 1948. This was after Truman fired Wallace for giving an address in Madison Square Garden attacking the Truman administration for excessive anti-Communist zeal.


‘Wallace would have created an American foreign policy run by Soviet agents he had installed in the White House, including Lauchlin Currie, Harry Dexter White, his former assistant at Commerce, and the secret Communist and Soviet agent Harry Magdof, who wrote Wallace’s Madison Square Garden speech in 1946 . . . all of whom would have given Joseph Stalin precisely what he sought: control of Eastern Europe and inroads into subversion of France, Italy, and Great Britain as well…..new evidence has emerged that points to just how much Wallace was under the control of the Soviets, and how they were counting on him as the man in the United States best suited to serve their ends.’
FDR, Stalin, and Oliver Stone - The New York Sun


FDR, Harry Hopkins, Henry Wallace.......and many more....all answered to Joseph Stalin.

Thank goodness for the hero Senator Joseph McCarthy.

 

[ptbw forever]

The first settlers to build a colonie in North America were are killed by the local Indians.

I dee...knot...

Yes, the Indians were no less brutal than the settlers.

Sorry, Wild Bill....you haven't gone halfway far enough.
Indians were stone age savages.

1. March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre:Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


2. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with theNarragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


3. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


One more?

4. "Several months earlier, in September, 1874, Catherine German and her family had been moving up the Smoky Hill River in western Kansas with everything they owned in the back of a covered wagon. The Germans, originally from Georgia, were bound for Colorado and a fresh start. Just moments after breaking camp that morning, the family was surprised by Indians. Within minutes the wagon was in flames, the mother, father, and two children were dead and scalped, and four daughters — Catherine, aged 17, Sophia, 12, and little Julia and Addie, aged 7 and 5 respectively — were carried off into captivity.

Catherine’s story is not a pretty one to relate.

There are no Harlequin Romance endings here; noDances With WolvesHollywood nonsense; no silly sentimentality. Catherine was raped repeatedly during her captivity, as was her sister, Sophia; both were traded back and forth from one brave to the next; both were transformed into tribal prostitutes, their worth measured in horses. Each time the frail young women were forced to fetch wood or water for their respective lodges, each trembled in fear for each could expect to be raped as many as six times per trip.

Although the details surrounding Catherine’s rescue are a bit unusual, the conditions of her captivity are not. During the research for my book,Scalp Dance: Indian Warfare on the High Plains, 1865–1879

, I had a chance to study at random the ordeals of some dozen young women captured by Indians, including Catherine German and her sisters. With little variation, the accounts told the same sad story—rape, enslavement, brutality, beatings, abuse. For good reason I named their chapter in the book, “A Fate Worse Than Death.”
Thomas Goodrich, "A Fate Worse Than Death" | Counter-Currents Publishing

You have to realize that the "progressives" don't care what happens to white people.

White lives don't matter to the Democrats of today.

Actually, the Left has nothing more than a shrug no matter which lives are lost....

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

...but they know what to say to accrue votes and power.

At their core they are truly sociopaths with no regard for human life, but as of now they do have to placate a lot to non-white voters.

This hurts white people a lot more than Republicans want to admit.

 

[initforme]

Slave owners were scum....whether or not they became abolitionists. All slave owners, ALL, were anti christian folk. All lives matter and all are created equal despite race. I do agree that indoctrination teaches he was a great american. From what I have researched on my own, despite what my teachers tried to teach me(he was great), I find a lot that he was not. Case closed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Slave owners were scum....whether or not they became abolitionists. All slave owners, ALL, were anti christian folk. All lives matter and all are created equal despite race. I do agree that indoctrination teaches he was a great american. From what I have researched on my own, despite what my teachers tried to teach me(he was great), I find a lot that he was not. Case closed.

Clearly, the previous post was far too nuanced for you.

Do drop back when the conversation gets around to monster trucks, and favorite Crayola.

 

[Theowl32]

Slave owners were scum....whether or not they became abolitionists. All slave owners, ALL, were anti christian folk. All lives matter and all are created equal despite race. I do agree that indoctrination teaches he was a great american. From what I have researched on my own, despite what my teachers tried to teach me(he was great), I find a lot that he was not. Case closed.

You know there is still slave labor today, right? I did not read your response to my post about the general facts regarding the trans-atlantic slave trade.

No, not all slave owners were the losers you claim. Hard for you to accept I see.

Just so long as you are aware that whites were not solely responsible for the enslavement of western Africa and the trans-atlantic slave trade.

Or....

Are you so simple minded that you think it was all about color of skin?

 

[Camp]

5. According to Liberals and Progressives, the greatest President of the last hundred years was the very man who made certain that communism survived, world wide, and had a cozy home in the United States, too.


Cozy home? FDR even set up Stalin's agent in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House. Really. The spy lived in the White House.


a. "Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins


b. Life magazine ran a spread on Hopkins on September 22, 1941, calling his a one-man cabinet to Roosevelt. In fact, he lived at the White House, in the Lincoln Bedroom, from May 1940 to December 1943. LIFE, p. 93.





It is difficult to conceive of a college educated adult American who can subscribe to totally inconsistent views, and incorporate these diametric opposites as the basis of his thinking....but that is exactly what happens, daily, on the Left side of the political spectrum.


The basic worldview of Liberals is as follows: "Our side believes in goodness and virtue, and the equally of all men, yet embraces the most evil and pathological of political doctrines. So there!"

"This article is a model of how to evaluate historical evidence and shows the perils involved when isolated data is plucked from historical evidence without adequate acquaintance with the sources themselves or with the scholarly discourse concerning them. It also shows why those who insist Hopkins was a Soviet agent have not carried out a scholarly inquiry and why their conclusions are unreliable."
Editors, Front Page Magazine

Harry Hopkins was not a spy or in league with the Russians. Even the ultra-conservative Front Page Magazine saw fit to publish a lengthy detailed article by historians John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr explaining how the claim against Hopkins had been debunked with the Vassiliev Notebooks.

For decades, the only purported evidence that Hopkins was a spy was a speculation that 'Agent 19" in the declassified Venona Papers referred to Hopkins. The Vassilev notes named Agent 19 as Laurence Duggan, not Hopkins.

www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/200900/was-harry-hopkins-soviet-spy-john-earl-haynes

"Harry Hopkins was not a spy or in league with the Russians."

Wow.....look who's back.....doing what he always tried to do: defend the indefensible.

The FDR apologist is also compatriot of yet another communist...Harry Hopkins, FDR's live-in Stalinist!
What a surprise!


1. Mitrokhin's documents showed that Hopkins had warned the Soviet ambassador that the FBI had learned through a bug it had placed in the home of Steve Nelson, a Soviet illegal agent, that Nelson was getting money from the embassy. He met (KGB head in USA) Ahkmerov from time to time, giving him information to send to Moscow and receiving secret messages from Stalin....Ray Wannall, former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence, says he always suspected that Hopkins was a Soviet agent and that this is proof of his treachery.
http://seed-flame.blogspot.com/2012/02/16-venona-secrets.html

2. "...the New Yorker described Hopkins as “an articulate propagandist for all-out aid to the Russians.” Yet the presidential aide’s influence became the subject of controversy in 1949, when a U.S. Army officer who had worked in the Lend-Lease program, Maj. George R. Jordan, testified to Congress that wartime shipments to Russia approved by Hopkins included uranium and other materials necessary to the development of atomic weapons. Jordan testified that the Soviets also used Lend-Lease shipments to smuggle back to Moscow classified U.S. documents about the top-secret Manhattan Project. Much of Jordan’s testimony about the flow of stolen secrets to Moscow was corroborated byVictor Kravchenko, a Soviet official who defected in 1944 — and whom Hopkins unsuccessfully sought to have handed back over to the Russians. http://www.viralread.com/2013/06/05/top-fdr-aide-hopkins-was-soviet-agent-book-examines-betrayal/

3. In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, Wm.Bullitt warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy. He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.' He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies. "For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 575-590

FDR replied: "Bill, I don't dispute your facts, they are accurate, I don't dispute the logic of your reasoning. I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."
William C. Bullitt, "How We Won The War and Lost The Peace," Life Magazine, August 30, 1948, p. 94

5. According to Liberals and Progressives, the greatest President of the last hundred years was the very man who made certain that communism survived, world wide, and had a cozy home in the United States, too.


Cozy home? FDR even set up Stalin's agent in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House. Really. The spy lived in the White House.


a. "Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins


b. Life magazine ran a spread on Hopkins on September 22, 1941, calling his a one-man cabinet to Roosevelt. In fact, he lived at the White House, in the Lincoln Bedroom, from May 1940 to December 1943. LIFE, p. 93.





It is difficult to conceive of a college educated adult American who can subscribe to totally inconsistent views, and incorporate these diametric opposites as the basis of his thinking....but that is exactly what happens, daily, on the Left side of the political spectrum.


The basic worldview of Liberals is as follows: "Our side believes in goodness and virtue, and the equally of all men, yet embraces the most evil and pathological of political doctrines. So there!"

"This article is a model of how to evaluate historical evidence and shows the perils involved when isolated data is plucked from historical evidence without adequate acquaintance with the sources themselves or with the scholarly discourse concerning them. It also shows why those who insist Hopkins was a Soviet agent have not carried out a scholarly inquiry and why their conclusions are unreliable."
Editors, Front Page Magazine

Harry Hopkins was not a spy or in league with the Russians. Even the ultra-conservative Front Page Magazine saw fit to publish a lengthy detailed article by historians John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr explaining how the claim against Hopkins had been debunked with the Vassiliev Notebooks.

For decades, the only purported evidence that Hopkins was a spy was a speculation that 'Agent 19" in the declassified Venona Papers referred to Hopkins. The Vassilev notes named Agent 19 as Laurence Duggan, not Hopkins.

www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/200900/was-harry-hopkins-soviet-spy-john-earl-haynes

Harry Hopkins was as much a Soviet spy as you are an FDR boot-licker.
So....I prove one, I prove both.


1. Life magazine ran a spread on Hopkins on September 22, 1941, calling his a one-man cabinet to Roosevelt. In fact, he lived at the White House, in the Lincoln Bedroom, from May 1940 to December 1943. LIFE, p. 93.

2. Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins

3. Hopkins, the redistributionist: "When a democratic victory is won, then the great wealth of the world must be shared with all people."

4. In his speech to a pro-Russia rally at Madison Square Garden, June 22, 1942, Hopkins said: "But no Utopia was ever won without struggle and without the struggle to abolish poverty in the world...." So, WWII was a "war on poverty"?

5. The leading evidence that Hopkins was a spy for Joseph Stalin is presented by Herbert Romerstein and Eric Breindel in their 2000 book,The Venona Secrets: Exposing Soviet Espionage and America's Traitor

a. Their evidence is, first, that Soviet KGB defector,Oleg Gordievsky, said that Hopkins was in regular communication with top Soviet covert operative,Iskhak Akhmerov, in New York City. This was more than just a "back channel" for communication between Roosevelt and Stalin because Hopkins had existing back channels at the Soviet embassy that he used, and Akhmerov's identity as an operative was not supposed to be known to the U.S. government.

b.Second, the Venona project decrypts of Soviet communications with its spies, which came to light only in the 1990s, reveal a report on a Washington discussion between Roosevelt and Winston Churchill by an "agent 19." Only Harry Hopkins among suspected Soviet agents would have been privy to that conversation.

c. Third, former Communist Whittaker Chambers testified to Congress in 1948 about the formation of Communist "study groups" within the U.S. government from which espionage agents were recruited. One of those groups, led byLee Pressman, was established within the Department of Agriculture in late 1933, and Hopkins was a member of that group.

d. Fourth, his policies were strongly pro-Soviet, particularly in his work as head of the Lend-Lease program. http://www.dcdave.com/article5/110211.htm

You are doing exactly what the quote and link in my post warned about. Just look at the sources in your cut and paste response. You use Treachery of Henry Hopkins by Irvine and Kincaid. Neither of them has ever been recognized as historians. They are (in Reeds case were) right wing commentators and the distorted article was written long before the documents that debunked their assertions was publicly available. That means the source is obsolete as well as an opinionated commentary.

Move on to The Venona Secrets by Romerstein, published in 2000, again, written before the Vassiliev notes became available, and directly addressed in the article provided in my post.

Finally, your source of a blog from DC Dave. OK, you have provided source data from political commentators and a historian who did not have access to KGB documents smuggled out of Russia because they wrote before they knew the most important documents on the topic even existed, let alone what was in them.

Everyone's choice, they can believe your distorted cut and paste, designed to misinform partisan nonsense, or the detailed and specific complete unedited (not cut up and pieced together) refuting of your drivel by two well known and respected scholarly historians. Think I'll trust in them over DC Dave.