Facing the Truth

[fncceo]

The truth is that reparations aren't owed just for slavery.

If reparations are for social injustices of the past and not for slavery, then the list of people getting them is going to be a lot larger than 40 million Blacks ...

 

[IM2]

no it doesn't IM2

you do realize the root of all racism is classism?

and that MLK got shot shortly after he preached the concept......

~S~

No, because rich blacks faced racism. In fact weslthy blacks were the ones who got their houses bombed, bsinesses burned down, and highways funning over where their businesses once. Martin Luther King faced death threats for years before he was murdered.

 

[IM2]

If reparations are for social injustices of the past and not for slavery, then the list of people getting them is going to be a lot larger than 40 million Blacks ...

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Maybe so, but chinese have not endured what we have. This crap gets old. Whites like you always trying to dismiss shit. We have never said we were the only ones and if Chinese have suffered then Chinese need to make demands. It's that simple. Understand that blacks fought to end chinese exclusion by whites then drop your disingenuous argument. As for this topic, blacks are owed reparations for times up until this second. It's time some of YOU stopped pretending this is only about some past stuff that no longer happens.

 

[fncceo]

Maybe so, but chinese have not endured what we have. This crap gets old. Whites like you always trying to dismiss shit. We have never said we were the only ones and if Chinese have suffered then Chinese need to make demands. It's that simple. Understand that blacks fought to end chinese exclusion by whites then drop your disingenuous argument. As for this topic, blacks are owed reparations for times up until this second. It's time some of YOU stopped pretending this is only about some past stuff that no longer happens.

The fact is ... if you're going to propose reparations for social injustices of the past, you have specify the specific injustice. Not everyone suffered the same level of injustices.

For example, when America paid reparations to Japanese Americans (decades too late) who were interned during World War II, they paid only those Japanese that were actually interned. They didn't pay all Japanese Americans, despite the fact that the loss of their property affected many Japanese Americans who were never interned.

If you're saying that social injustices are still happening (which they are for many groups) then what good is handing out checks without addressing those social injustices?

Take women for example, even in 2022, it is claimed that women still make 80% of what men make in the same job. If you go back a century or two, the back pay that American women could rightfully ask for from a society that benefited from that disparity could be quite substantial.

But, if you just hand every woman in America a check for a few Billion dollars, how does that address the issue going forward?

Just handing out money doesn't bring justice. Not historically, and not today.

 

[Meister]

The truth is that reparations aren't owed just for slavery. This tired right wing dodge has outlived it's usefulness. Talk about something being overused, that silly question to avoid recognizing modern damage is the epitome of overused.

Oh, you weren't allowed to own a house? Can't own a car?
Weren't allowed an education? Not sure you qualify for anything.
Sounds more like you just want to hold your hand out for the freebies.
Nobody has owned a slave, yet you want to punish them and make them pay....just how greedy you sound.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

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Did the Holocaust happen in the USA? Is this a deflection?

 

[fncceo]

Did the Holocaust happen in the USA? Is this a deflection?

NO OTHER GROUP has been made to endure what blacks have. That's not whining, it is FACT.

Demonstrably untrue... many groups can point to histories of heinous suffering, some lasting over millennia.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

Demonstrably untrue... many groups can point to histories of heinous suffering, some lasting over millennia.

We are discussing the enslavement of Africans in the Americas. Specifically, the United States of America.

 

[Lisa558]

I’m thinking all women should get reparations because our ancestors whom we never knew were looked upon as second class citizens and deprived of the right to vote until 1920.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

Oh, you weren't allowed to own a house? Can't own a car?
Weren't allowed an education? Not sure you qualify for anything.
Sounds more like you just want to hold your hand out for the freebies.
Nobody has owned a slave, yet you want to punish them and make them pay....just how greedy you sound.
Race baiter

GREEDY? What about those slaveowners? Were they greedy?

 

[Orangecat]

The truth is that reparations aren't owed just for slavery.

No one owes reparations for something they didn’t do.

 

[fncceo]

We are discussing the enslavement of Africans in the Americas. Specifically, the United States of America.

You might want to check in the OP to get on the same page. The OP has repeatedly said that the issue of reparations isn't about slavery. He says it's about past social injustices.

To be fair, if it were only about slavery, there is no one left alive to receive reparations.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

You might want to check in the OP to get on the same page. The OP has repeatedly said that the issue of reparations isn't about slavery. He says it's about past social injustices.

To be fair, if it were only about slavery, there is no one left alive to receive reparations.

It's about that too.

 

[Meister]

GREEDY? What about those slaveowners? Were they greedy?

I don't know any and never met one.
Neither have you.

I don't feel responsible for what happened 200+ years ago

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

I don't know any and never met one.
Neither have you.

I don't feel responsible for what happened 200+ years ago

I never met a slaveowner, but I've heard lots about what they did.
They exploited enslaved Africans( economically, sexually and every other kind of way) to their benefit.
Just because I never met a slaveowner doesn't mean I will forget what they done.

 

[fncceo]

It's about that too.

So, pick something on which you want to be repaired ... calculate how each individual person was affected by that event and we can talk.

Because, if you just generally say, anyone who has suffered a social injustice is owed some money, you're going to have to dig deep.

Women can claim for more than a century of disparate wages and disenfranchisement.

Hispanics can claim for having half of their country taken from them and then being relegated to the lowest socioeconomic levels.

Asians can claim for being brought to this country with promises of employment and then being cheated of their wages and denied basic rights of citizenship.

Jews can claim for being legally excluded from housing, education, and employment markets well into the 1960s ... and being legally excluded from joining clubs and staying at certain hotels into the 1980s.

Pretty much everyone in this country, as a group, can claim to be the victim of social injustice.

 

[Meister]

I never met a slaveowner, but I've heard lots about what they did.
They exploited enslaved Africans( economically, sexually and every other kind of way) to their benefit.
Just because I never met a slaveowner doesn't mean I will forget what they done.

And I have to pay for that? Really?
Sounds like you're just as greedy as IM2

 

[IM2]

It's ongoing and it is black on Asian violence without provocation....

B.S. and this has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[IM2]

So, pick something on which you want to be repaired ... calculate how each individual person was affected by that event and we can talk.

Because, if you just generally say, anyone who has suffered a social injustice is owed some money, you're going to have to dig deep.

Women can claim for more than a century of disparate wages and disenfranchisement.

Hispanics can claim for having half of their country taken from them and then being relegated to the lowest socioeconomic levels.

Asians can claim for being brought to this country with promises of employment and then being cheated of their wages and denied basic rights of citizenship.

Jews can claim for being legally excluded from housing, education, and employment markets well into the 1960s ... and being legally excluded from joining clubs and staying at certain hotels into the 1980s.

Pretty much everyone in this country, as a group, can claim to be the victim of social injustice.

No, pretty much everyone can't claim what blacks do.

 

[IM2]

Historians have argued that southern lawmakers ensured that the Servicemen’s Readjustment Act of 1944 (commonly known as the G.I. Bill) was administered by states instead of the federal government to guarantee that states could direct its funds to white veterans. Similarly, in order to secure the support of white southern lawmakers, Congress included segregation clauses or rejected anti-discrimination clauses in the Hospital Survey and Reconstruction Act of 1946 (commonly known as the Hill Burton Act), which paid for our modern healthcare infrastructure. The same tactics were applied to the American Housing Act of 1949, which helped white Americans buy single family homes. These federal legislative decisions enshrined the government sanctioned discrimination of African Americans for decades to come and perpetuates the racial hierarchy today.

Throughout the 20th century, American federal, state, and local municipal governments expanded and solidified segregation efforts through zoning ordinances, slum clearance policies, construction of parks and freeways through Black neighborhoods, and public housing siting decisions.

The passage of the Fair Housing Act in 1968 outlawed housing discrimination, but did not fix the structures put in place by 100 years of discriminatory government policies, and residential segregation continues today.

California Reparations Study pg.9

Contrary to what Americans are taught, the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark 1954 case, Brown v. Board of Education, which established that racial segregation in public schools is unconstitutional, did not mark the end of segregation.

After Brown v. Board, many white people and white-dominated school boards throughout the country actively resisted integration. In the South, segregation was still in place through the early 1970s due to massive resistance by white communities. In the rest of the country, including California, education segregation occurred when government sanctioned housing segregation combined with school assignment and siting policies. Because children attended the schools in their neighborhood and school financing was tied to property taxes, most Black children attended segregated schools with less funding and resources than schools attended by white children. In 1974, the U.S. Supreme Court allowed this type of school segregation to continue in schools if it reflectedresidential segregation patterns between the cities and suburbs. In part, as result of this and other U.S. Supreme Court decisions that followed to further undermine desegregation efforts, many public schools in the United States were integrated and then resegregated, or never integrated in the first place.

California Reparations Study pg.11