Fact about the whistleblower.......................

[okfine]

Frannie belongs in the Rubber Room to die.

 

[okfine]

Are you simply not smart enough to know what Trump did wrong? Or are you playing dumb on purpose?

Trump did nothing wrong.

And a Bronx wave to you.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

I wonder if you have the intelligence to see the irony of your post given your own signature line has a link to the CIA.

ILMAO at 11 monkey's who approved your post. You're all fucked. If something sounds cool it works independent of rhyme and reason somehow. That's today's progs, purely irrational.

Nothing the OP said conflicts with having a link to the CIA in his signature. The only "irony" is he mentioned a group he happens to have a link to. In other terms, you don't even have a point.

 

[georgephillip]

I suspect definitive answers to your questions would require Trump to release his tax returns, so until that time comes, you can start here if you have the slightest concern about the consequences of having a money-laundering, moronic con man ensconced in the White House:

Chapter 1 - The Moscow Project

"Many of Trump’s businesses spent the 1990s on the verge of collapse.

"Abraham Wallach, who became the Trump Organization’s executive vice president for acquisitions in 1990, compared joining the company to 'getting on the Titanic just before the women and children were moved to the lifeboats.'

"In 1990, the Trump Organization was reportedly $3.4 billion in debt, with Trump himself liable for more than $800 million.

"The next year, as several of Trump’s hotels and casinos reportedly accumulated millions in debt, the New Jersey Casino Control Commission concluded, 'Mr. Trump cannot be considered financially stable.' In 1992, Trump defaulted on the debt of his airline, Trump Shuttle, turning it over to U.S. Airways."

None of that, has to do with Russian mobsters laundering money.

No, the tax return has nothing to do with this. Do you really think there is clear evidence of Russian Mobster money laundering in his tax returns, and the authorities are ignoring it?

You people have a very goofy view of this issue. You act like because his tax returns are not public, that this means that magically no one in authority is looking at them.

People are sent to prison every single year, for money laundering, tax evasion, and none of them release their tax returns to the public.

Sorry, but you can make a case on this matter, without having to shove your nose up Trump's butt to see if his poop smells.

The fact Trump went through a time of extreme difficulty, is not unknown. Truth is, most successful people go through difficult times.

It is also not unknown that Trump had some Russian backers for some specific projects.

I don't have a problem with that.

Additionally, if there was money laundering going on, and I have little reason to doubt.... that still doesn't mean that Trump was involved. Again... as I stated before, Trump has hundreds on hundreds of business ventures, from limited addition neck ties, to his private jet line.

The idea that he was going to each individual business venture, and personally overseeing a money laundering operation in Moscow, is a bonkers thinking.

Years ago I worked for a small business, where the own had just had to fire the previous employee, because he was engaged in embezzlement. Now if that can happen under the nose of the business owner, in a building full of just 10 people, then the idea that Trump is going to be able to personally oversee hundreds of companies, and check up on whatever thousands of employees he has...

That's insane. That's the argument of a partisan hack, that randomly defaults to "he should release his taxes then!" as if it matters.

No, the tax return has nothing to do with this. Do you really think there is clear evidence of Russian Mobster money laundering in his tax returns, and the authorities are ignoring it?

Do you really think Trump, along with his lawyers and accountants, haven't considered how to hide that information from a routine audit?

Donald Trump’s Tax Returns: What We Might Learn

"Sophisticated tax filers use their returns to paint the picture of their finances they want the government to see. It usually takes a lot of digging to find out what is going on behind the numbers.

"For example, as The New York Times reported last year, Mr. Trump and his siblings set up a sham corporation in the early 1990s to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents.

"In that case, The Times had access to far more than just tax returns: It also relied on confidential business filings, public records and information from sources to document the fraud."

When congress gets its hands on Trump's tax returns, it will have subpoena power to complement the confidential business filings, public records, and information from whistle blowers.

Sophisticated tax filers use their returns to paint the picture of their finances they want the government to see. It usually takes a lot of digging to find out what is going on behind the numbers.

Nothing in that article, proved anything they claimed. More fake news from the NYT.

"For example, as The New York Times reported last year, Mr. Trump and his siblings set up a sham corporation in the early 1990s to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents.

The inheritance tax, is immoral and evil. I'm all for them avoiding paying it by any legal means necessary.
If they find something illegal, then file it with the authorities, and if they fine him.... fine.

But you guys being all bent, because the Trumps prevented you greedy envious evil bastards from taking their money, which wasn't yours to take.... don't give a crap. You money stealing thieves can burn in hell for all I care.

"In that case, The Times had access to far more than just tax returns: It also relied on confidential business filings, public records and information from sources to document the fraud."

Yeah. Shocking. So they got public documents, and business filings. How much was from the tax returns? I wager little.

The inheritance tax, is immoral and evil. I'm all for them avoiding paying it by any legal means necessary.
If they find something illegal, then file it with the authorities, and if they fine him.... fine.

Would you agree "they" will need to see Trump's tax returns and related financial documents in order to determine if he did anything illegal?

How would you rate Trump's integrity compared to previous post-WWII presidents?

On a 10 scale: If Ike was a 5 and Nixon was a 1, where would you place Trump's commitment to integrity?

So far, he's par for the course.

He didn't engage in lying under oath, or setting up and illegal mail server with classified information, and lied that he didn't know how to tell if the information was classified or not. He didn't send hundreds of weapons into Mexico, and then act shocked when they were used by cartels to kill people. He didn't give amnesty to a super wealthy guy who illegally traded with Iran, refused to pay his taxes, and fled to Spain, all because his wife donated a ton to the foundation. He didn't stamp the ok on weapons tech sold to China, in exchange for campaign funds, or have mysterious deaths all over the place. I don't see him sending the IRS to audit groups that oppose him. Nor do I see him picking up thousands in campaign donations in a brown paper bag, at a Buddhist monastery where followers pledge an oath of poverty.

No matter where a president golfs, the owners are going to make a lot of money. Why would Trump not visit his own golf courses?

If that's the most horrible and damaging thing that Trump does in office.... That would put in him the top 5 presidents of all time, integrity wise.

But that all could change tomorrow. Who knows, maybe they'll find out some horrible thing he's down, and out it all tomorrow.

However, just comparing to the last few presidents, and presidential hopefuls.... way better. Way better by far.

What other POTUS has ever had Trump's potential to profit from his public service BEFORE leaving office?

Here Are the Ways Trump Cashes In on Being President

"Trump’s hotels

• Trump hotel income jumped from $33.8 million in 2016 to $60.5 million in 2017.

"According to financial disclosures, Trump hotel revenue soared over the past few years. In 2015, records show just $16.7 million in hotel and resort revenues. However, that amount doubled to $33.8 million during the campaign and election year. Since Trump began occupying the White House, hotel income jumped about 80%, reaching $60.8 million in 2017.

"These extraordinary numbers appear easy to explain. After all, Trump opened the Old Post Office hotel in D.C. late in 2016 despite the clear guideline that 'No elected official of the Government of the United States…shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease.' Since then, it has become the go-to hotel for any foreign visitor looking to win favors from the Trumps. It’s also become the headquarters of GOP activity in D.C."

 

[Harpy Eagle]

ILMAO at 11 monkey's who approved your post. You're all fucked. If something sounds cool it works independent of rhyme and reason somehow. That's today's progs, purely irrational.

Nothing the OP said conflicts with having a link to the CIA in his signature. The only "irony" is he mentioned a group he happens to have a link to. In other terms, you don't even have a point.

Wow, I always find it fascinating how people like you choose to stand up and yell "Hey, look at how stupid I am". But, I am happy to oblige and show the world how stupid you are.

So, tell me...if all the CIA does is lie about enemies, which is what the OP stated....and if the CIA is the enemy of the President of the United States, thus making them the enemy of the people of the United States...

would it not be counterproductive to report suspicious activity to them, since all they do is lie and given that they are the enemy of the American people?

 

[NoVote]

If you don't want rich people getting wealthy on government programs, then end the government programs.

SHHhh, don't give them any more ideas, they've already fucked up too much as it is.

 

[hadit]

The whistleblower is likely CIA, but why would you believe he or she is a greater threat to this country than Donald Trump?

Whistleblower complaint, annotated

"In the course of my official duties, I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election. This interference includes, among other things, pressuring a foreign country to investigate one of the President’s main domestic political rivals. The President’s personal lawyer, Mr. Rudolph Giuliani, is a central figure in this effort. Attorney General Barr appears to be involved as well..."

"Over the past four months, more than half a dozen U.S. officials have informed me of various facts related to this effort. The information provided herein was relayed to me in the course of official interagency business. It is routine for U.S. officials with responsibility for a particular regional or functional portfolio to share such information with one another in order to inform policymaking and analysis."

Just out of curiosity... You state that Russian mobsters helped to build Trumps empire.

To support that statement, do you know how much of Trump's entire business portfolio, is tied to Russia?

Is it half? A quarter? 10%?

I've seen a few of the documents, listing Trumps business interests. There are literally a thousand or more different business ventures that Trump has investments in, from golf courses in Ireland, to an private jet company, to a 5-star hotel chain in India.

How many, had Russian backing? How many had laundered money from mobsters? Was it those located in eastern Europe? Which number only a few?

If you claim that Russian mobsters made Trump rich, then I would assume a relatively high percentage of his massive business dealings had to do with Russian mobsters.

So how many were? What percentage? Show me the evidence for your claim. I am waiting with anticipation for this bombshell information.

How many, had Russian backing? How many had laundered money from mobsters? Was it those located in eastern Europe? Which number only a few?

If you claim that Russian mobsters made Trump rich, then I would assume a relatively high percentage of his massive business dealings had to do with Russian mobsters.

So how many were? What percentage? Show me the evidence for your claim. I am waiting with anticipation for this bombshell information.

I suspect definitive answers to your questions would require Trump to release his tax returns, so until that time comes, you can start here if you have the slightest concern about the consequences of having a money-laundering, moronic con man ensconced in the White House:

Chapter 1 - The Moscow Project

"Many of Trump’s businesses spent the 1990s on the verge of collapse.

"Abraham Wallach, who became the Trump Organization’s executive vice president for acquisitions in 1990, compared joining the company to 'getting on the Titanic just before the women and children were moved to the lifeboats.'

"In 1990, the Trump Organization was reportedly $3.4 billion in debt, with Trump himself liable for more than $800 million.

"The next year, as several of Trump’s hotels and casinos reportedly accumulated millions in debt, the New Jersey Casino Control Commission concluded, 'Mr. Trump cannot be considered financially stable.' In 1992, Trump defaulted on the debt of his airline, Trump Shuttle, turning it over to U.S. Airways."

None of that, has to do with Russian mobsters laundering money.

No, the tax return has nothing to do with this. Do you really think there is clear evidence of Russian Mobster money laundering in his tax returns, and the authorities are ignoring it?

You people have a very goofy view of this issue. You act like because his tax returns are not public, that this means that magically no one in authority is looking at them.

People are sent to prison every single year, for money laundering, tax evasion, and none of them release their tax returns to the public.

Sorry, but you can make a case on this matter, without having to shove your nose up Trump's butt to see if his poop smells.

The fact Trump went through a time of extreme difficulty, is not unknown. Truth is, most successful people go through difficult times.

It is also not unknown that Trump had some Russian backers for some specific projects.

I don't have a problem with that.

Additionally, if there was money laundering going on, and I have little reason to doubt.... that still doesn't mean that Trump was involved. Again... as I stated before, Trump has hundreds on hundreds of business ventures, from limited addition neck ties, to his private jet line.

The idea that he was going to each individual business venture, and personally overseeing a money laundering operation in Moscow, is a bonkers thinking.

Years ago I worked for a small business, where the own had just had to fire the previous employee, because he was engaged in embezzlement. Now if that can happen under the nose of the business owner, in a building full of just 10 people, then the idea that Trump is going to be able to personally oversee hundreds of companies, and check up on whatever thousands of employees he has...

That's insane. That's the argument of a partisan hack, that randomly defaults to "he should release his taxes then!" as if it matters.

No, the tax return has nothing to do with this. Do you really think there is clear evidence of Russian Mobster money laundering in his tax returns, and the authorities are ignoring it?

Do you really think Trump, along with his lawyers and accountants, haven't considered how to hide that information from a routine audit?

Donald Trump’s Tax Returns: What We Might Learn

"Sophisticated tax filers use their returns to paint the picture of their finances they want the government to see. It usually takes a lot of digging to find out what is going on behind the numbers.

"For example, as The New York Times reported last year, Mr. Trump and his siblings set up a sham corporation in the early 1990s to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents.

"In that case, The Times had access to far more than just tax returns: It also relied on confidential business filings, public records and information from sources to document the fraud."

When congress gets its hands on Trump's tax returns, it will have subpoena power to complement the confidential business filings, public records, and information from whistle blowers.

Translation: The IRS doesn't know how to spot tax fraud.

 

[Taz]

Are you simply not smart enough to know what Trump did wrong? Or are you playing dumb on purpose?

Trump did nothing wrong.

Then why all the worry?

 

[Seawytch]

Facts about tbe whistle blower.

There aren't any.

That's not entirely true. We know the IG found their report to be urgent and credible. We also know that what he or she reported was accurate. We got to read some of the transcript of the call.

 

[The Purge]

Facts about tbe whistle blower.

There aren't any.

That's not entirely true. We know the IG found their report to be urgent and credible. We also know that what he or she reported was accurate. We got to read some of the transcript of the call.

Another lie from the left....Schitts OVER THE TO P bullshit summary is enough to tell anyone that thinks that there is nothing in it and now today we get this....
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine’s president said Tuesday that no one explained to him why millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to his country was delayed, dismissing suggestions that President Donald Trump froze the funding to pressure Ukraine to investigate Democratic rival Joe Biden.

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy is struggling to distance himself from U.S. politics — and to contain the damage to Ukraine and his own reputation from a July phone conversation with Trump that unleashed a congressional impeachment inquiry.

“It is impossible to put pressure on me,” he told reporters Tuesday. “Many people try to influence me,” he said, but “I am the president of independent Ukraine.”

(Excerpt) Read more at mohavedailynews.com

 

[Care4all]

Sure.... sending his consigliere Giuliani there to dig up oppo dirt....

was just doing his job....

Only if you consider all lawyers to be 'consigliere '.

Let me ask you something.

Durning the hoax called the Russian investigation, Giuliani was the Presidents defense lawyer, right?

I heard (can't remember who it was, I think it was an ex-Commissioner for NY City Police) that all through the investigation charges and accusations were made against Trump.

This person made a solid and valid observation. The defense lawyer for anyone has the right to investigate the charges and the people making the charges.

Since this all began with Clinton and the paid-for lies in the dossier, provided by Russia to the Clinton campaign, a lot of information came up about the collusion between the DNC and Ukraine. Prominent in that information was the corruptions spearheaded by Joe Biden.

Now, that information had no direct link to the Russian hoax, but as an officer of the court, it was Giuliani's responsibility to pass the results of his findings to the DoJ.

That information is now in the hands of the special prosecutor that Barr has assigned to this case.

The left has only themselves to blame for Guliani's involvement in this matter.

no Giuliani was not Trump's Lawyer for the Mueller investigation,

Sekulow was his personal lawyer, along with whitehouse lawyers for the President.

Giuliani was his publicist and fixer, like Michael Cohen before he went to jail.... trump picked up Giuliani to replace Michael Cohen, when Cohen decided to ''sing''.

Okay, if you say so. I personally, cannot suspend disbelief to that degree.

well let me finish up.... and welcome to the site!

Giuliani or anyone on the Trump campaign or just a supporter can do what they want as far as investigating I suppose... but it breaks campaign finance laws when you solicit or take anything of value from a foreign government or foreigner in campaign help....like getting the Ukraine gvt to open up an investigation on their opponent or opponent's son....during an election cycle, which we are in...

a value over $2000 is a misdemeanor, a value over $25k is a felony.

BUT what was worse and an abuse of his power, a ''high'' crime.was using his presidential position to pull the Ukraine president and staff in to this political game of his, for his own personal gain.

Strange that none of that has happened. Trump simply referred the Ukraine President to the US Attorney General, you know the guy responsible for enforcing laws against corruption so that the matter could be investigated. Given that the AG isn't part of the Trump campaign for re-election, your concerns are not valid.

I've read the transcripts and none of what you allege can be found there. At least, not without some serious mental contortions that would be world-class in a gym competition.

why are you lying? Giuliani was mentioned over and over again in the transcript notes... his personal and political campaign lawyer/fixer/consigliere.... why'd you leave Giuliani out?

---------------------------------

trump is using the office of the president, to conduct his personal campaign, with our tax dollars

 

[basquebromance]

"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God". - Benjamin Franklin

this whistleblower is on a MISSION FROM GOD!

 

[Lesh]

"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God". - Benjamin Franklin

this whistleblower is on a MISSION FROM GOD!

Our resident shit stirrer tries to find the most bizarre way to present everything.

Bottom line is that the WB did everything according to the rules and has been vindicated BY the White House "transcript" release

 

[WTH_Progs?]

ILMAO at 11 monkey's who approved your post. You're all fucked. If something sounds cool it works independent of rhyme and reason somehow. That's today's progs, purely irrational.

Nothing the OP said conflicts with having a link to the CIA in his signature. The only "irony" is he mentioned a group he happens to have a link to. In other terms, you don't even have a point.

Wow, I always find it fascinating how people like you choose to stand up and yell "Hey, look at how stupid I am". But, I am happy to oblige and show the world how stupid you are.

So, tell me...if all the CIA does is lie about enemies, which is what the OP stated....and if the CIA is the enemy of the President of the United States, thus making them the enemy of the people of the United States...

would it not be counterproductive to report suspicious activity to them, since all they do is lie and given that they are the enemy of the American people?

Golly, I guess you missed the part about "enemies". Hence in your mind, if you report something to the CIA, the people you're reporting on are automatically an enemy of the CIA.

 

[Andylusion]

None of that, has to do with Russian mobsters laundering money.

No, the tax return has nothing to do with this. Do you really think there is clear evidence of Russian Mobster money laundering in his tax returns, and the authorities are ignoring it?

You people have a very goofy view of this issue. You act like because his tax returns are not public, that this means that magically no one in authority is looking at them.

People are sent to prison every single year, for money laundering, tax evasion, and none of them release their tax returns to the public.

Sorry, but you can make a case on this matter, without having to shove your nose up Trump's butt to see if his poop smells.

The fact Trump went through a time of extreme difficulty, is not unknown. Truth is, most successful people go through difficult times.

It is also not unknown that Trump had some Russian backers for some specific projects.

I don't have a problem with that.

Additionally, if there was money laundering going on, and I have little reason to doubt.... that still doesn't mean that Trump was involved. Again... as I stated before, Trump has hundreds on hundreds of business ventures, from limited addition neck ties, to his private jet line.

The idea that he was going to each individual business venture, and personally overseeing a money laundering operation in Moscow, is a bonkers thinking.

Years ago I worked for a small business, where the own had just had to fire the previous employee, because he was engaged in embezzlement. Now if that can happen under the nose of the business owner, in a building full of just 10 people, then the idea that Trump is going to be able to personally oversee hundreds of companies, and check up on whatever thousands of employees he has...

That's insane. That's the argument of a partisan hack, that randomly defaults to "he should release his taxes then!" as if it matters.

No, the tax return has nothing to do with this. Do you really think there is clear evidence of Russian Mobster money laundering in his tax returns, and the authorities are ignoring it?

Do you really think Trump, along with his lawyers and accountants, haven't considered how to hide that information from a routine audit?

Donald Trump’s Tax Returns: What We Might Learn

"Sophisticated tax filers use their returns to paint the picture of their finances they want the government to see. It usually takes a lot of digging to find out what is going on behind the numbers.

"For example, as The New York Times reported last year, Mr. Trump and his siblings set up a sham corporation in the early 1990s to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents.

"In that case, The Times had access to far more than just tax returns: It also relied on confidential business filings, public records and information from sources to document the fraud."

When congress gets its hands on Trump's tax returns, it will have subpoena power to complement the confidential business filings, public records, and information from whistle blowers.

Sophisticated tax filers use their returns to paint the picture of their finances they want the government to see. It usually takes a lot of digging to find out what is going on behind the numbers.

Nothing in that article, proved anything they claimed. More fake news from the NYT.

"For example, as The New York Times reported last year, Mr. Trump and his siblings set up a sham corporation in the early 1990s to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents.

The inheritance tax, is immoral and evil. I'm all for them avoiding paying it by any legal means necessary.
If they find something illegal, then file it with the authorities, and if they fine him.... fine.

But you guys being all bent, because the Trumps prevented you greedy envious evil bastards from taking their money, which wasn't yours to take.... don't give a crap. You money stealing thieves can burn in hell for all I care.

"In that case, The Times had access to far more than just tax returns: It also relied on confidential business filings, public records and information from sources to document the fraud."

Yeah. Shocking. So they got public documents, and business filings. How much was from the tax returns? I wager little.

The inheritance tax, is immoral and evil. I'm all for them avoiding paying it by any legal means necessary.
If they find something illegal, then file it with the authorities, and if they fine him.... fine.

Would you agree "they" will need to see Trump's tax returns and related financial documents in order to determine if he did anything illegal?

How would you rate Trump's integrity compared to previous post-WWII presidents?

On a 10 scale: If Ike was a 5 and Nixon was a 1, where would you place Trump's commitment to integrity?

So far, he's par for the course.

He didn't engage in lying under oath, or setting up and illegal mail server with classified information, and lied that he didn't know how to tell if the information was classified or not. He didn't send hundreds of weapons into Mexico, and then act shocked when they were used by cartels to kill people. He didn't give amnesty to a super wealthy guy who illegally traded with Iran, refused to pay his taxes, and fled to Spain, all because his wife donated a ton to the foundation. He didn't stamp the ok on weapons tech sold to China, in exchange for campaign funds, or have mysterious deaths all over the place. I don't see him sending the IRS to audit groups that oppose him. Nor do I see him picking up thousands in campaign donations in a brown paper bag, at a Buddhist monastery where followers pledge an oath of poverty.

No matter where a president golfs, the owners are going to make a lot of money. Why would Trump not visit his own golf courses?

If that's the most horrible and damaging thing that Trump does in office.... That would put in him the top 5 presidents of all time, integrity wise.

But that all could change tomorrow. Who knows, maybe they'll find out some horrible thing he's down, and out it all tomorrow.

However, just comparing to the last few presidents, and presidential hopefuls.... way better. Way better by far.

What other POTUS has ever had Trump's potential to profit from his public service BEFORE leaving office?

Here Are the Ways Trump Cashes In on Being President

"Trump’s hotels

• Trump hotel income jumped from $33.8 million in 2016 to $60.5 million in 2017.

"According to financial disclosures, Trump hotel revenue soared over the past few years. In 2015, records show just $16.7 million in hotel and resort revenues. However, that amount doubled to $33.8 million during the campaign and election year. Since Trump began occupying the White House, hotel income jumped about 80%, reaching $60.8 million in 2017.

"These extraordinary numbers appear easy to explain. After all, Trump opened the Old Post Office hotel in D.C. late in 2016 despite the clear guideline that 'No elected official of the Government of the United States…shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease.' Since then, it has become the go-to hotel for any foreign visitor looking to win favors from the Trumps. It’s also become the headquarters of GOP activity in D.C."

Again, I have no problem with this.

So because some people see Trump in office, and they go to a Trump hotel.

So what?

I don't care that people go to a Trump Hotel looking for a favor. First, I doubt you can prove that assertion.

Let us say that you can prove that everyone going to a Trump hotel is doing so just to get a political favor.

Big deal. People approach politicians for favors constantly.

Did he actually give those favors? And for what?

Trump got this lease in 2013. He was not a politicians at the time he got the lease. If that's the way you want to play this, the solution is to either not lease government buildings to anyone ever, or you need to sell off government buildings you don't use.

This idea that you are going to lease a building, have that person pour in hundreds of millions of dollar in renovations, and then if they run for office, demand they give up the lease.... no. That's immoral and wrong. You would understand that, if it was your hundreds of millions that would be lost.

Besides that, did not Clinton effectively sell nights in the Lincoln bedroom for millions?

AllPolitics - White House Sleepovers - Feb. 25, 1997

It's ironic really... because Trump investment millions into renovating a government building... and he's making money because he invested the money.

Clinton invested nothing. Used tax payer money, to make millions off a public building he paid no lease for, and invested no money in renovating.

But "Clinton good" and "Trump bad".

 

[basquebromance]

"Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God". - Benjamin Franklin

this whistleblower is on a MISSION FROM GOD!

Our resident shit stirrer tries to find the most bizarre way to present everything.

Bottom line is that the WB did everything according to the rules and has been vindicated BY the White House "transcript" release

why do you hate Benjamin Franklin?

 

[georgephillip]

Do you really think Trump, along with his lawyers and accountants, haven't considered how to hide that information from a routine audit?

Donald Trump’s Tax Returns: What We Might Learn

"Sophisticated tax filers use their returns to paint the picture of their finances they want the government to see. It usually takes a lot of digging to find out what is going on behind the numbers.

"For example, as The New York Times reported last year, Mr. Trump and his siblings set up a sham corporation in the early 1990s to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents.

"In that case, The Times had access to far more than just tax returns: It also relied on confidential business filings, public records and information from sources to document the fraud."

When congress gets its hands on Trump's tax returns, it will have subpoena power to complement the confidential business filings, public records, and information from whistle blowers.

Sophisticated tax filers use their returns to paint the picture of their finances they want the government to see. It usually takes a lot of digging to find out what is going on behind the numbers.

Nothing in that article, proved anything they claimed. More fake news from the NYT.

"For example, as The New York Times reported last year, Mr. Trump and his siblings set up a sham corporation in the early 1990s to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents.

The inheritance tax, is immoral and evil. I'm all for them avoiding paying it by any legal means necessary.
If they find something illegal, then file it with the authorities, and if they fine him.... fine.

But you guys being all bent, because the Trumps prevented you greedy envious evil bastards from taking their money, which wasn't yours to take.... don't give a crap. You money stealing thieves can burn in hell for all I care.

"In that case, The Times had access to far more than just tax returns: It also relied on confidential business filings, public records and information from sources to document the fraud."

Yeah. Shocking. So they got public documents, and business filings. How much was from the tax returns? I wager little.

The inheritance tax, is immoral and evil. I'm all for them avoiding paying it by any legal means necessary.
If they find something illegal, then file it with the authorities, and if they fine him.... fine.

Would you agree "they" will need to see Trump's tax returns and related financial documents in order to determine if he did anything illegal?

How would you rate Trump's integrity compared to previous post-WWII presidents?

On a 10 scale: If Ike was a 5 and Nixon was a 1, where would you place Trump's commitment to integrity?

So far, he's par for the course.

He didn't engage in lying under oath, or setting up and illegal mail server with classified information, and lied that he didn't know how to tell if the information was classified or not. He didn't send hundreds of weapons into Mexico, and then act shocked when they were used by cartels to kill people. He didn't give amnesty to a super wealthy guy who illegally traded with Iran, refused to pay his taxes, and fled to Spain, all because his wife donated a ton to the foundation. He didn't stamp the ok on weapons tech sold to China, in exchange for campaign funds, or have mysterious deaths all over the place. I don't see him sending the IRS to audit groups that oppose him. Nor do I see him picking up thousands in campaign donations in a brown paper bag, at a Buddhist monastery where followers pledge an oath of poverty.

No matter where a president golfs, the owners are going to make a lot of money. Why would Trump not visit his own golf courses?

If that's the most horrible and damaging thing that Trump does in office.... That would put in him the top 5 presidents of all time, integrity wise.

But that all could change tomorrow. Who knows, maybe they'll find out some horrible thing he's down, and out it all tomorrow.

However, just comparing to the last few presidents, and presidential hopefuls.... way better. Way better by far.

What other POTUS has ever had Trump's potential to profit from his public service BEFORE leaving office?

Here Are the Ways Trump Cashes In on Being President

"Trump’s hotels

• Trump hotel income jumped from $33.8 million in 2016 to $60.5 million in 2017.

"According to financial disclosures, Trump hotel revenue soared over the past few years. In 2015, records show just $16.7 million in hotel and resort revenues. However, that amount doubled to $33.8 million during the campaign and election year. Since Trump began occupying the White House, hotel income jumped about 80%, reaching $60.8 million in 2017.

"These extraordinary numbers appear easy to explain. After all, Trump opened the Old Post Office hotel in D.C. late in 2016 despite the clear guideline that 'No elected official of the Government of the United States…shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease.' Since then, it has become the go-to hotel for any foreign visitor looking to win favors from the Trumps. It’s also become the headquarters of GOP activity in D.C."

Again, I have no problem with this.

So because some people see Trump in office, and they go to a Trump hotel.

So what?

I don't care that people go to a Trump Hotel looking for a favor. First, I doubt you can prove that assertion.

Let us say that you can prove that everyone going to a Trump hotel is doing so just to get a political favor.

Big deal. People approach politicians for favors constantly.

Did he actually give those favors? And for what?

Trump got this lease in 2013. He was not a politicians at the time he got the lease. If that's the way you want to play this, the solution is to either not lease government buildings to anyone ever, or you need to sell off government buildings you don't use.

This idea that you are going to lease a building, have that person pour in hundreds of millions of dollar in renovations, and then if they run for office, demand they give up the lease.... no. That's immoral and wrong. You would understand that, if it was your hundreds of millions that would be lost.

Besides that, did not Clinton effectively sell nights in the Lincoln bedroom for millions?

AllPolitics - White House Sleepovers - Feb. 25, 1997

It's ironic really... because Trump investment millions into renovating a government building... and he's making money because he invested the money.

Clinton invested nothing. Used tax payer money, to make millions off a public building he paid no lease for, and invested no money in renovating.

But "Clinton good" and "Trump bad".

Again, I have no problem with this.

So because some people see Trump in office, and they go to a Trump hotel.

So what?

Blumenthal, et al. v. Trump | Constitutional Accountability Center

"The Founders adopted the Foreign Emoluments Clause because they believed America would be harmed if federal officeholders, including the President, made policy decisions based on their own self-interest rather than the national interest."

What has Trump done that makes you believe he is immune from bribery?

 

[georgephillip]

Do you really think Trump, along with his lawyers and accountants, haven't considered how to hide that information from a routine audit?

Donald Trump’s Tax Returns: What We Might Learn

"Sophisticated tax filers use their returns to paint the picture of their finances they want the government to see. It usually takes a lot of digging to find out what is going on behind the numbers.

"For example, as The New York Times reported last year, Mr. Trump and his siblings set up a sham corporation in the early 1990s to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents.

"In that case, The Times had access to far more than just tax returns: It also relied on confidential business filings, public records and information from sources to document the fraud."

When congress gets its hands on Trump's tax returns, it will have subpoena power to complement the confidential business filings, public records, and information from whistle blowers.

Sophisticated tax filers use their returns to paint the picture of their finances they want the government to see. It usually takes a lot of digging to find out what is going on behind the numbers.

Nothing in that article, proved anything they claimed. More fake news from the NYT.

"For example, as The New York Times reported last year, Mr. Trump and his siblings set up a sham corporation in the early 1990s to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents.

The inheritance tax, is immoral and evil. I'm all for them avoiding paying it by any legal means necessary.
If they find something illegal, then file it with the authorities, and if they fine him.... fine.

But you guys being all bent, because the Trumps prevented you greedy envious evil bastards from taking their money, which wasn't yours to take.... don't give a crap. You money stealing thieves can burn in hell for all I care.

"In that case, The Times had access to far more than just tax returns: It also relied on confidential business filings, public records and information from sources to document the fraud."

Yeah. Shocking. So they got public documents, and business filings. How much was from the tax returns? I wager little.

The inheritance tax, is immoral and evil. I'm all for them avoiding paying it by any legal means necessary.
If they find something illegal, then file it with the authorities, and if they fine him.... fine.

Would you agree "they" will need to see Trump's tax returns and related financial documents in order to determine if he did anything illegal?

How would you rate Trump's integrity compared to previous post-WWII presidents?

On a 10 scale: If Ike was a 5 and Nixon was a 1, where would you place Trump's commitment to integrity?

So far, he's par for the course.

He didn't engage in lying under oath, or setting up and illegal mail server with classified information, and lied that he didn't know how to tell if the information was classified or not. He didn't send hundreds of weapons into Mexico, and then act shocked when they were used by cartels to kill people. He didn't give amnesty to a super wealthy guy who illegally traded with Iran, refused to pay his taxes, and fled to Spain, all because his wife donated a ton to the foundation. He didn't stamp the ok on weapons tech sold to China, in exchange for campaign funds, or have mysterious deaths all over the place. I don't see him sending the IRS to audit groups that oppose him. Nor do I see him picking up thousands in campaign donations in a brown paper bag, at a Buddhist monastery where followers pledge an oath of poverty.

No matter where a president golfs, the owners are going to make a lot of money. Why would Trump not visit his own golf courses?

If that's the most horrible and damaging thing that Trump does in office.... That would put in him the top 5 presidents of all time, integrity wise.

But that all could change tomorrow. Who knows, maybe they'll find out some horrible thing he's down, and out it all tomorrow.

However, just comparing to the last few presidents, and presidential hopefuls.... way better. Way better by far.

What other POTUS has ever had Trump's potential to profit from his public service BEFORE leaving office?

Here Are the Ways Trump Cashes In on Being President

"Trump’s hotels

• Trump hotel income jumped from $33.8 million in 2016 to $60.5 million in 2017.

"According to financial disclosures, Trump hotel revenue soared over the past few years. In 2015, records show just $16.7 million in hotel and resort revenues. However, that amount doubled to $33.8 million during the campaign and election year. Since Trump began occupying the White House, hotel income jumped about 80%, reaching $60.8 million in 2017.

"These extraordinary numbers appear easy to explain. After all, Trump opened the Old Post Office hotel in D.C. late in 2016 despite the clear guideline that 'No elected official of the Government of the United States…shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease.' Since then, it has become the go-to hotel for any foreign visitor looking to win favors from the Trumps. It’s also become the headquarters of GOP activity in D.C."

Again, I have no problem with this.

So because some people see Trump in office, and they go to a Trump hotel.

So what?

I don't care that people go to a Trump Hotel looking for a favor. First, I doubt you can prove that assertion.

Let us say that you can prove that everyone going to a Trump hotel is doing so just to get a political favor.

Big deal. People approach politicians for favors constantly.

Did he actually give those favors? And for what?

Trump got this lease in 2013. He was not a politicians at the time he got the lease. If that's the way you want to play this, the solution is to either not lease government buildings to anyone ever, or you need to sell off government buildings you don't use.

This idea that you are going to lease a building, have that person pour in hundreds of millions of dollar in renovations, and then if they run for office, demand they give up the lease.... no. That's immoral and wrong. You would understand that, if it was your hundreds of millions that would be lost.

Besides that, did not Clinton effectively sell nights in the Lincoln bedroom for millions?

AllPolitics - White House Sleepovers - Feb. 25, 1997

It's ironic really... because Trump investment millions into renovating a government building... and he's making money because he invested the money.

Clinton invested nothing. Used tax payer money, to make millions off a public building he paid no lease for, and invested no money in renovating.

But "Clinton good" and "Trump bad".

Trump got this lease in 2013. He was not a politicians at the time he got the lease. If that's the way you want to play this, the solution is to either not lease government buildings to anyone ever, or you need to sell off government buildings you don't use.

Many believe Trump should have been required to forfeit that lease after becoming POTUS:

GSA Says Trump D.C. Hotel Lease Is Valid, Despite Ban On Elected Officials

"Many ethics and contract experts have called upon GSA to end the lease, noting that the contract language specifically says no 'elected official of the Government of the United States ... shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease, or to any benefit that may arise therefrom[.]'"

 

[Andylusion]

Sophisticated tax filers use their returns to paint the picture of their finances they want the government to see. It usually takes a lot of digging to find out what is going on behind the numbers.

Nothing in that article, proved anything they claimed. More fake news from the NYT.

"For example, as The New York Times reported last year, Mr. Trump and his siblings set up a sham corporation in the early 1990s to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents.

The inheritance tax, is immoral and evil. I'm all for them avoiding paying it by any legal means necessary.
If they find something illegal, then file it with the authorities, and if they fine him.... fine.

But you guys being all bent, because the Trumps prevented you greedy envious evil bastards from taking their money, which wasn't yours to take.... don't give a crap. You money stealing thieves can burn in hell for all I care.

"In that case, The Times had access to far more than just tax returns: It also relied on confidential business filings, public records and information from sources to document the fraud."

Yeah. Shocking. So they got public documents, and business filings. How much was from the tax returns? I wager little.

The inheritance tax, is immoral and evil. I'm all for them avoiding paying it by any legal means necessary.
If they find something illegal, then file it with the authorities, and if they fine him.... fine.

Would you agree "they" will need to see Trump's tax returns and related financial documents in order to determine if he did anything illegal?

How would you rate Trump's integrity compared to previous post-WWII presidents?

On a 10 scale: If Ike was a 5 and Nixon was a 1, where would you place Trump's commitment to integrity?

So far, he's par for the course.

He didn't engage in lying under oath, or setting up and illegal mail server with classified information, and lied that he didn't know how to tell if the information was classified or not. He didn't send hundreds of weapons into Mexico, and then act shocked when they were used by cartels to kill people. He didn't give amnesty to a super wealthy guy who illegally traded with Iran, refused to pay his taxes, and fled to Spain, all because his wife donated a ton to the foundation. He didn't stamp the ok on weapons tech sold to China, in exchange for campaign funds, or have mysterious deaths all over the place. I don't see him sending the IRS to audit groups that oppose him. Nor do I see him picking up thousands in campaign donations in a brown paper bag, at a Buddhist monastery where followers pledge an oath of poverty.

No matter where a president golfs, the owners are going to make a lot of money. Why would Trump not visit his own golf courses?

If that's the most horrible and damaging thing that Trump does in office.... That would put in him the top 5 presidents of all time, integrity wise.

But that all could change tomorrow. Who knows, maybe they'll find out some horrible thing he's down, and out it all tomorrow.

However, just comparing to the last few presidents, and presidential hopefuls.... way better. Way better by far.

What other POTUS has ever had Trump's potential to profit from his public service BEFORE leaving office?

Here Are the Ways Trump Cashes In on Being President

"Trump’s hotels

• Trump hotel income jumped from $33.8 million in 2016 to $60.5 million in 2017.

"According to financial disclosures, Trump hotel revenue soared over the past few years. In 2015, records show just $16.7 million in hotel and resort revenues. However, that amount doubled to $33.8 million during the campaign and election year. Since Trump began occupying the White House, hotel income jumped about 80%, reaching $60.8 million in 2017.

"These extraordinary numbers appear easy to explain. After all, Trump opened the Old Post Office hotel in D.C. late in 2016 despite the clear guideline that 'No elected official of the Government of the United States…shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease.' Since then, it has become the go-to hotel for any foreign visitor looking to win favors from the Trumps. It’s also become the headquarters of GOP activity in D.C."

Again, I have no problem with this.

So because some people see Trump in office, and they go to a Trump hotel.

So what?

I don't care that people go to a Trump Hotel looking for a favor. First, I doubt you can prove that assertion.

Let us say that you can prove that everyone going to a Trump hotel is doing so just to get a political favor.

Big deal. People approach politicians for favors constantly.

Did he actually give those favors? And for what?

Trump got this lease in 2013. He was not a politicians at the time he got the lease. If that's the way you want to play this, the solution is to either not lease government buildings to anyone ever, or you need to sell off government buildings you don't use.

This idea that you are going to lease a building, have that person pour in hundreds of millions of dollar in renovations, and then if they run for office, demand they give up the lease.... no. That's immoral and wrong. You would understand that, if it was your hundreds of millions that would be lost.

Besides that, did not Clinton effectively sell nights in the Lincoln bedroom for millions?

AllPolitics - White House Sleepovers - Feb. 25, 1997

It's ironic really... because Trump investment millions into renovating a government building... and he's making money because he invested the money.

Clinton invested nothing. Used tax payer money, to make millions off a public building he paid no lease for, and invested no money in renovating.

But "Clinton good" and "Trump bad".

Again, I have no problem with this.

So because some people see Trump in office, and they go to a Trump hotel.

So what?

Blumenthal, et al. v. Trump | Constitutional Accountability Center

"The Founders adopted the Foreign Emoluments Clause because they believed America would be harmed if federal officeholders, including the President, made policy decisions based on their own self-interest rather than the national interest."

What has Trump done that makes you believe he is immune from bribery?

But Trump has not done any of that.

Again, the lease was signed in 2013, and Trump invested millions into a building owned by the government.

Now if you were to tell me that he signed a lease last year, with the clause that tax payer money was to renovate the building, so that Trump to make a huge profit....

Then you absolutely have a point. That is clearly looking like Trump using the his government office, for his own personal benefit, at the cost of tax payers.

But in this case, the government is making money off Trump. He's paying the government a lease. He signed that lease years before being in elected office. He invested hundreds of millions into a government building. That building, owned by tax payers, now is worth a ton more money.

I have no problem with this.

 

[georgephillip]

The whistleblower is likely CIA, but why would you believe he or she is a greater threat to this country than Donald Trump?

Whistleblower complaint, annotated

"In the course of my official duties, I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election. This interference includes, among other things, pressuring a foreign country to investigate one of the President’s main domestic political rivals. The President’s personal lawyer, Mr. Rudolph Giuliani, is a central figure in this effort. Attorney General Barr appears to be involved as well..."

"Over the past four months, more than half a dozen U.S. officials have informed me of various facts related to this effort. The information provided herein was relayed to me in the course of official interagency business. It is routine for U.S. officials with responsibility for a particular regional or functional portfolio to share such information with one another in order to inform policymaking and analysis."

Just out of curiosity... You state that Russian mobsters helped to build Trumps empire.

To support that statement, do you know how much of Trump's entire business portfolio, is tied to Russia?

Is it half? A quarter? 10%?

I've seen a few of the documents, listing Trumps business interests. There are literally a thousand or more different business ventures that Trump has investments in, from golf courses in Ireland, to an private jet company, to a 5-star hotel chain in India.

How many, had Russian backing? How many had laundered money from mobsters? Was it those located in eastern Europe? Which number only a few?

If you claim that Russian mobsters made Trump rich, then I would assume a relatively high percentage of his massive business dealings had to do with Russian mobsters.

So how many were? What percentage? Show me the evidence for your claim. I am waiting with anticipation for this bombshell information.

How many, had Russian backing? How many had laundered money from mobsters? Was it those located in eastern Europe? Which number only a few?

If you claim that Russian mobsters made Trump rich, then I would assume a relatively high percentage of his massive business dealings had to do with Russian mobsters.

So how many were? What percentage? Show me the evidence for your claim. I am waiting with anticipation for this bombshell information.

I suspect definitive answers to your questions would require Trump to release his tax returns, so until that time comes, you can start here if you have the slightest concern about the consequences of having a money-laundering, moronic con man ensconced in the White House:

Chapter 1 - The Moscow Project

"Many of Trump’s businesses spent the 1990s on the verge of collapse.

"Abraham Wallach, who became the Trump Organization’s executive vice president for acquisitions in 1990, compared joining the company to 'getting on the Titanic just before the women and children were moved to the lifeboats.'

"In 1990, the Trump Organization was reportedly $3.4 billion in debt, with Trump himself liable for more than $800 million.

"The next year, as several of Trump’s hotels and casinos reportedly accumulated millions in debt, the New Jersey Casino Control Commission concluded, 'Mr. Trump cannot be considered financially stable.' In 1992, Trump defaulted on the debt of his airline, Trump Shuttle, turning it over to U.S. Airways."

None of that, has to do with Russian mobsters laundering money.

No, the tax return has nothing to do with this. Do you really think there is clear evidence of Russian Mobster money laundering in his tax returns, and the authorities are ignoring it?

You people have a very goofy view of this issue. You act like because his tax returns are not public, that this means that magically no one in authority is looking at them.

People are sent to prison every single year, for money laundering, tax evasion, and none of them release their tax returns to the public.

Sorry, but you can make a case on this matter, without having to shove your nose up Trump's butt to see if his poop smells.

The fact Trump went through a time of extreme difficulty, is not unknown. Truth is, most successful people go through difficult times.

It is also not unknown that Trump had some Russian backers for some specific projects.

I don't have a problem with that.

Additionally, if there was money laundering going on, and I have little reason to doubt.... that still doesn't mean that Trump was involved. Again... as I stated before, Trump has hundreds on hundreds of business ventures, from limited addition neck ties, to his private jet line.

The idea that he was going to each individual business venture, and personally overseeing a money laundering operation in Moscow, is a bonkers thinking.

Years ago I worked for a small business, where the own had just had to fire the previous employee, because he was engaged in embezzlement. Now if that can happen under the nose of the business owner, in a building full of just 10 people, then the idea that Trump is going to be able to personally oversee hundreds of companies, and check up on whatever thousands of employees he has...

That's insane. That's the argument of a partisan hack, that randomly defaults to "he should release his taxes then!" as if it matters.

No, the tax return has nothing to do with this. Do you really think there is clear evidence of Russian Mobster money laundering in his tax returns, and the authorities are ignoring it?

Do you really think Trump, along with his lawyers and accountants, haven't considered how to hide that information from a routine audit?

Donald Trump’s Tax Returns: What We Might Learn

"Sophisticated tax filers use their returns to paint the picture of their finances they want the government to see. It usually takes a lot of digging to find out what is going on behind the numbers.

"For example, as The New York Times reported last year, Mr. Trump and his siblings set up a sham corporation in the early 1990s to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents.

"In that case, The Times had access to far more than just tax returns: It also relied on confidential business filings, public records and information from sources to document the fraud."

When congress gets its hands on Trump's tax returns, it will have subpoena power to complement the confidential business filings, public records, and information from whistle blowers.

Translation: The IRS doesn't know how to spot tax fraud.

ranslation: The IRS doesn't know how to spot tax fraud.

The IRS doesn't have the time to routinely examine every "billionaire's) tax returns; however, congress does have the time to go through Trump's financials with a fine tooth comb; what are you afraid they will find?

Tax Fraud By The Numbers: The Trump Timeline [UPDATED 2019]