Failure of the Welfare State

[NYcarbineer]

Keep in mind, when it suits them, conservatives regularly point out how America's poor are so much better off than the poor in the really poor places...

...our poor they'll say, have tv's and cable and houses and cars and access to education and healthcare and on and on and on.

I guess it doesn't occur to them that is evidence that war on poverty HAS worked.

(get your talking points straight is my advice)

 

[PoliticalChic]

You've certainly dropped a level or two in civility.

Let me make this perfectly clear: You are not able to intimidate me.

I will continue to expose frauds like you.

And...I will dominate you with both knowledge and analysis and make clear why the 'big government panhandlers' like you are, who see other folks earnings as a eat-all-you wish buffet table, no different from any other garden-variety socialists/Marxists.

And I will do it without referring to you with the vulgar terminology to which you sink.

No, nothing intimidates a bootlicker.... you've already been cowed a long time ago.

I'm not civil to stupid people. Not complete idiots who say things like Calvin Cooldige was a great president.

Fact is, no matter how often you scrape and beg, you're just their for them to wipe their shoes on... Until you get up off your knees and stop putting up with it.

1. President Coolidge presided over the 'Roaring Twenties."
For your edification:
"As we have seen in recent programs, the administrations of President Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge were a time of economic progress for most Americans. Many companies grew larger during the 1920s, creating many new jobs. Wages for most Americans increased. Many people began to have enough money to buy new kinds of products.

The strong economy also created the right environment for many important changes in the day-to-day social life of the American people. The 1920s are remembered now as an exciting time that historians call the "roaring twenties."The 1920s brought a feeling of freedom and independence to millions of Americans, especially young Americans. Young soldiers returned from the world war with new ideas. They had seen a different world in Europe. They had faced death and learned to enjoy the pleasures that each day offered."
American History: 'Roaring Twenties' a Time of Economic and Social Change (VOA Special English 2006-06-07)


2. Now, to prove what an ignorant marionette you are, with no ability to understand history...but only to imbibe the narcotic of Left-wing propaganda,

a.From historian, Dr. Burton Folsom:
"His anti–New Deal verdict is hard to dispute: levels of unemployment at the end of the 1930s remained at depression levels. In May 1939, Treasury Secretary Henry J. Morgenthau Jr., one of Franklin Roosevelt's best friends, testified before the House Ways and Means Committee: "I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started… And an enormous debt to boot" (p. 2). When he spoke, unemployment exceeded 20 percent. Further, and here Folsom has absorbed the pioneering research of Robert Higgs, not even the onset of World War II ended the Depression. True enough, unemployment ended; but this was only because of the draft. "
The Mises Review: New Deal or Raw Deal? How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America by Burton Folsom, Jr.

b. This, from Morgenthau himself:
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot." Henry Morgenthau, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.


So...this is what I have: proof that you Liberals worship failure...and have nothing but vituperation for opposition voices.


You have more issues than the Reader’s Digest. And I understand your anger at having your ignorance revealed.

You claim a degree in history...yet have no ability to either understand history, or to learn from it.


And, to correct your error above, it was Jeremy Rabkin who applied the term 'great' to Coolidge...I said his quote was brilliant.
Dr. Rabkin teaches constitutional and international law.

What I have done is show how you hold failure as the paragon as long as the word 'Democrat' is associated with it...
...and apply terms like 'worst' as long as the subject is Republican.


Truly the sign of an intellect that can only be considered argillaceous.




One more thing....Your attempt at insult: "No, nothing intimidates a bootlicker.... you've already been cowed a long time ago."

Do you realize you've contradicted yourself?

Brilliant.
Just brilliant.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Keep in mind, when it suits them, conservatives regularly point out how America's poor are so much better off than the poor in the really poor places...

...our poor they'll say, have tv's and cable and houses and cars and access to education and healthcare and on and on and on.

I guess it doesn't occur to them that is evidence that war on poverty HAS worked.

(get your talking points straight is my advice)

"Poor" means no home, no heat, no food.

Know anyone like that?

 

[Samson]

Keep in mind, when it suits them, conservatives regularly point out how America's poor are so much better off than the poor in the really poor places...

...our poor they'll say, have tv's and cable and houses and cars and access to education and healthcare and on and on and on.

I guess it doesn't occur to them that is evidence that war on poverty HAS worked.

(get your talking points straight is my advice)

"Poor" means no home, no heat, no food.

Know anyone like that?

No.

Thus the claim that the war on poverty is won.

Get It?

 

[Neotrotsky]

Keep in mind, when it suits them, conservatives regularly point out how America's poor are so much better off than the poor in the really poor places...

...our poor they'll say, have tv's and cable and houses and cars and access to education and healthcare and on and on and on.

I guess it doesn't occur to them that is evidence that war on poverty HAS worked.

(get your talking points straight is my advice)

In establishing a permanent underclass that depends on Democrats
and Democrats depend on them for votes

Sure, I have no problem admitting that....

 

[Neotrotsky]

WHERE did you get your "From 1950 to 1960
poverty fell from 30% to 22%-"

Provide a LINK.

Can't you do your own work
Liberals are so lazy

Please if you have something else show me

Do you think it was less or more

So you made that number up.

...this is my shocked face...

you wish

 

[Bfgrn]

You mean the US Census- sure
But rates are estimates, just like the Census

If they are wrong please offer some
examples

WHERE did you get your "From 1950 to 1960
poverty fell from 30% to 22%-"

Provide a LINK.

Can't you do your own work
Liberals are so lazy

Please if you have something else show me

Do you think it was less or more

Don't try to pull that bullsit on me. YOU are the one who said: "From 1950 to 1960
poverty fell from 30% to 22%-"

NOW, fucking prove it you asshole!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Keep in mind, when it suits them, conservatives regularly point out how America's poor are so much better off than the poor in the really poor places...

...our poor they'll say, have tv's and cable and houses and cars and access to education and healthcare and on and on and on.

I guess it doesn't occur to them that is evidence that war on poverty HAS worked.

(get your talking points straight is my advice)

In establishing a permanent underclass that depends on Democrats
and Democrats depend on them for votes

Sure, I have no problem admitting that....

So there was no 'permanent underclass' before the 1960's?

What country has ever eliminated its 'underclass' by a policy of not helping them? What country has ever made their poor less poor by a policy of not helping them?

 

[Neotrotsky]

WHERE did you get your "From 1950 to 1960
poverty fell from 30% to 22%-"

Provide a LINK.

Can't you do your own work
Liberals are so lazy

Please if you have something else show me

Do you think it was less or more

Don't try to pull that bullsit on me. YOU are the one who said: "From 1950 to 1960
poverty fell from 30% to 22%-"

NOW, fucking prove it you asshole!

Actually you would have to prove me false
Sorry you are making the accusation

But honestly, you don't' t have much of a case here
I will help but this is the last handout I am giving to you

Considering that the liberal "holy grail" of Census stats
shows Poverty rate around 22 percent in 1959 and falling to about 19 percent
in 1964, before the Great Society, you don't have much of a case

So over that 4 year period they fell around .75 percent per year
So from period in question 8 percent over a 10 year period is quite reasonable
More so, when you consider the early 60 actually had a recession so the drop in
the poverty rate we could assume to be even less than in a growth economy.

What are you go to do, argue - that poverty was even higher
-that doesn't help you

Are you going to argue that it was lower and somehow popped up to
22 percent in 1959
- considering that the 50's was one of the greatest growth periods for the US
that isn't gong to work

Perhaps, the best you could is argue it stayed constant
but even that falls short
- because the poverty rate still fell from 22 percent to around 19 in 1964
without the Great Society
----------------------------

Really, if you are looking for some "Achilles heel"
keep looking. You are barking up the wrong tree
-----------------------------------------------



Sorry but my points are still valid
The Great Society has failed to deliver in its promises

 

[NYcarbineer]

Keep in mind, when it suits them, conservatives regularly point out how America's poor are so much better off than the poor in the really poor places...

...our poor they'll say, have tv's and cable and houses and cars and access to education and healthcare and on and on and on.

I guess it doesn't occur to them that is evidence that war on poverty HAS worked.

(get your talking points straight is my advice)

"Poor" means no home, no heat, no food.

Know anyone like that?

Says who?

Are you acknowledging the success of the so-called welfare state, in that it has managed to minimize the number of extremely destitute in this country?

You're beginning to wake up and refute your own thread.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There is so much room to start

Let's see,,,,,
-We spend about 13 times the amount today on welfare then in the 1960's
-Papa Obama increased Federal Spending on anti-poverty programs 41% (668 billion)
combined with state/local expenditures to 284 billion
Why that is more than even defense spending

-Under Papa Obama, government will spend more on welfare in a single year than Bush spent on the war in Iraq during his entire presidency. Congressional Research Service, the cost of the Iraq war through the end of the Bush was around $622 billion. By contrast, annual federal and state means-tested welfare spending will reach $888 billion in FY 2010. Federal welfare spending alone will equal $697 billion in that year.


--------------------------------------

Sure, No room to cut anything....

Is is sad how soon the Left wanted to "throw in the towel" on the Iraq war
after a few years and call it a failure

yet

Almost 50 years on the Great Society's "war on poverty" has failed
but they still won't "throw in the towel"

It almost seems like the Left and the Democrats have a vested interest
in keeping the status quo

funny how that works

Once again no answer.

Your claim is that cutting poverty programs will reduce poverty. Now make some semblance of a case for it.

Again

in your opinion but since you think
Papa Obama is doing a good job
it means little

Unlike you. I'm just stating facts like
that before the Great Society

Blacks had a lower divorce rate and lower illegitimate rate than whites


Truth is hard for the Left
In fact, it is their worst enemy

And before Reagan there was little or no AID's or crack cocaine in this country.

 

[naturegirl]

The War on Poverty is like Papa Obama

isn't working

Here are some FACTS for you on what the War on Poverty.

When President Kennedy's brother-in law Sargent Shriver accepted President Johnson's challenge and took on the 'War on Poverty' the first thing he discovered was rather startling and disturbing. Half of the Americans living in poverty were children. Another large segment were elderly and another segment were mentally and/or physically disabled. So a HUGE segment of the poor fit the TRUE definition of a dependent. So there is an obligation as a civil society to make sure those real dependents are not trampled on or extinguished.

To address some of the players in your fairy tale, voila! We have an unabashed flaming liberal...Sargent Shriver. But I hate to disappoint you. Sargent Shriver hated welfare and had no intention of creating a handout program. He didn't believe in handouts, he believed in community action, opportunity, responsibility, and empowerment.

The 'War on Poverty' was called the Office of Economic Opportunity. The core principles were opportunity, responsibility, community and empowerment. The program's goal was maximum feasible participation. One of the concepts of empowerment was poor people had a right to one-third of the seats on every local poverty program board. It was a community based program that focused on education as the keys to the city. Programs such as VISTA, Job Corps, Community Action Program, and Head Start were created to increase opportunity for the poor so they could pull themselves out of poverty with a hand UP, not a hand out. Even when Johnson effectively pulled the plug on the War on Poverty to fund the war in Vietnam, Shriver fought on and won. During the Shriver years more Americans got out of poverty than during any similar time in our history. (The Clinton years - employing the same philosophy - were the second best.) Ref

Here is one of the agencies created by the WOP...

Job Corps is a program administered by the United States Department of Labor that offers free-of-charge education and vocational training to youth ages 16 to 24.

Job Corps offers career planning, on-the-job training, job placement, residential housing, food service, driver's education, basic health and dental care, a bi-weekly basic living allowance and clothing allowance. Some centers offer childcare programs for single parents as well.

Besides vocational training, the Job Corps program also offers academic training, including basic reading and math, GED attainment, college preparatory, and Limited English Proficiency courses. Some centers also offer programs that allow students to remain in residence at their center while attending college.[citation needed] Job Corps provides career counseling and transition support to its students for up to one year after they graduate from the program.

Career paths

Career paths offered by Job Corps include:

Advanced manufacturing

Communication design
Drafting
Electronic assembly
Machine appliance repair
Machining
Welding
Manufacturing technology
Sign, billboard, and display

Automotive and machine repair

Automobile technician
General services technician
Collision repair and refinish
Heavy construction equipment mechanic
Diesel mechanic
Medium/heavy truck repair
Electronics tech
Stationary engineering

Construction

Bricklaying
Carpentry
Cement masonry
Concrete and terrazzo
Construction craft laborer
Electrical
Electrical overhead line
Facilities maintenance
Floor covering
Glazing
HVAC
Industrial engineering technician
Licensed electrician (bilingual)
Mechanical engineering technician
Painting
Plastering
Plumbing
Roto-Rooter plumbing
Tile setting

Extension programs

Advanced Career Training (ACT)
General Educational Development (GED)
Commercial driver's license (CDL)
Off-Center Training (OCT Program)
High school diploma (HSD Program)

Finance and Business

Accounting services
Business management
Clerical occupations
Legal secretary
Insurance and financial services
Marketing
Medical insurance specialist
Office administration
Paralegal
Purchasing

Health care/allied health professions

Clinical medical assistant
Dental assistant
EKG technician
Emergency medical technician
Exercise/massage therapy
Hemodialysis technician
Licensed practical/vocational nurse
Medical office support
Nurse assistant/home health aide
Opticianry
Pharmacy technician
Phlebotomy
Physical therapy assistant
Rehabilitation therapy
Rehabilitation technician
Registered nurse
Respiratory therapy
Sterile processing
Surgical technician

Homeland security

Corrections officer
Seamanship
Security and protective services

Hospitality

Culinary arts
Hotel and lodging

Information technology

A+ Microsoft MSCE
Computer Networking/Cisco
Computer systems administrator
Computer support specialist
Computer technician
Integrated system tech
Network cable installation
Visual communications

Renewable resources and energy

Forest conservation and urban forestry
Firefighting
Wastewater
Landscaping

Retail sales and services

Behavioral health aide
Criminal justice
Child development
Residential advisor
Cosmetology
Retail sales

Transportation

Asphalt paving
Material and distribution operations
Clerical occupations
Heavy equipment operations
Roustabout operator
Heavy truck driving
TCU administrative clerk

I am a result of this Jobs program.........where the heck is it now?? Nope, not happening anymore. Just let them stay home and eat stale cake. Forget about them helping themselves, it's just easier for the government to give them handouts instead of bettering themselves. Generational welfare is a learned behavior. They have been taught well.

The war on poverty worked for a while, not so much anymore.

 

[NYcarbineer]

When is some conservative here going to post his or her solution to the poverty problems in this country.

We know this so far:

You want to end all the programs associated with the war on poverty, the welfare state, etc.

Then what?

Then, for example, where does the poor kid get medical treatment that can no longer be paid for with Medicaid, now that you the conservative have ended Medicaid?

Let's hear how that kid's life and health gets better under YOUR plan? Because after all, you do have a plan that is better than the current 'welfare state' right?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The War on Poverty is like Papa Obama

isn't working

Here are some FACTS for you on what the War on Poverty.

When President Kennedy's brother-in law Sargent Shriver accepted President Johnson's challenge and took on the 'War on Poverty' the first thing he discovered was rather startling and disturbing. Half of the Americans living in poverty were children. Another large segment were elderly and another segment were mentally and/or physically disabled. So a HUGE segment of the poor fit the TRUE definition of a dependent. So there is an obligation as a civil society to make sure those real dependents are not trampled on or extinguished.

To address some of the players in your fairy tale, voila! We have an unabashed flaming liberal...Sargent Shriver. But I hate to disappoint you. Sargent Shriver hated welfare and had no intention of creating a handout program. He didn't believe in handouts, he believed in community action, opportunity, responsibility, and empowerment.

The 'War on Poverty' was called the Office of Economic Opportunity. The core principles were opportunity, responsibility, community and empowerment. The program's goal was maximum feasible participation. One of the concepts of empowerment was poor people had a right to one-third of the seats on every local poverty program board. It was a community based program that focused on education as the keys to the city. Programs such as VISTA, Job Corps, Community Action Program, and Head Start were created to increase opportunity for the poor so they could pull themselves out of poverty with a hand UP, not a hand out. Even when Johnson effectively pulled the plug on the War on Poverty to fund the war in Vietnam, Shriver fought on and won. During the Shriver years more Americans got out of poverty than during any similar time in our history. (The Clinton years - employing the same philosophy - were the second best.) Ref

Here is one of the agencies created by the WOP...

Job Corps is a program administered by the United States Department of Labor that offers free-of-charge education and vocational training to youth ages 16 to 24.

Job Corps offers career planning, on-the-job training, job placement, residential housing, food service, driver's education, basic health and dental care, a bi-weekly basic living allowance and clothing allowance. Some centers offer childcare programs for single parents as well.

Besides vocational training, the Job Corps program also offers academic training, including basic reading and math, GED attainment, college preparatory, and Limited English Proficiency courses. Some centers also offer programs that allow students to remain in residence at their center while attending college.[citation needed] Job Corps provides career counseling and transition support to its students for up to one year after they graduate from the program.

Career paths

Career paths offered by Job Corps include:

Advanced manufacturing

Communication design
Drafting
Electronic assembly
Machine appliance repair
Machining
Welding
Manufacturing technology
Sign, billboard, and display

Automotive and machine repair

Automobile technician
General services technician
Collision repair and refinish
Heavy construction equipment mechanic
Diesel mechanic
Medium/heavy truck repair
Electronics tech
Stationary engineering

Construction

Bricklaying
Carpentry
Cement masonry
Concrete and terrazzo
Construction craft laborer
Electrical
Electrical overhead line
Facilities maintenance
Floor covering
Glazing
HVAC
Industrial engineering technician
Licensed electrician (bilingual)
Mechanical engineering technician
Painting
Plastering
Plumbing
Roto-Rooter plumbing
Tile setting

Extension programs

Advanced Career Training (ACT)
General Educational Development (GED)
Commercial driver's license (CDL)
Off-Center Training (OCT Program)
High school diploma (HSD Program)

Finance and Business

Accounting services
Business management
Clerical occupations
Legal secretary
Insurance and financial services
Marketing
Medical insurance specialist
Office administration
Paralegal
Purchasing

Health care/allied health professions

Clinical medical assistant
Dental assistant
EKG technician
Emergency medical technician
Exercise/massage therapy
Hemodialysis technician
Licensed practical/vocational nurse
Medical office support
Nurse assistant/home health aide
Opticianry
Pharmacy technician
Phlebotomy
Physical therapy assistant
Rehabilitation therapy
Rehabilitation technician
Registered nurse
Respiratory therapy
Sterile processing
Surgical technician

Homeland security

Corrections officer
Seamanship
Security and protective services

Hospitality

Culinary arts
Hotel and lodging

Information technology

A+ Microsoft MSCE
Computer Networking/Cisco
Computer systems administrator
Computer support specialist
Computer technician
Integrated system tech
Network cable installation
Visual communications

Renewable resources and energy

Forest conservation and urban forestry
Firefighting
Wastewater
Landscaping

Retail sales and services

Behavioral health aide
Criminal justice
Child development
Residential advisor
Cosmetology
Retail sales

Transportation

Asphalt paving
Material and distribution operations
Clerical occupations
Heavy equipment operations
Roustabout operator
Heavy truck driving
TCU administrative clerk

I am a result of this Jobs program.........where the heck is it now?? Nope, not happening anymore. Just let them stay home and eat stale cake. Forget about them helping themselves, it's just easier for the government to give them handouts instead of bettering themselves. Generational welfare is a learned behavior. They have been taught well.

The war on poverty worked for a while, not so much anymore.

How did the decades of intergenerational poverty happen in Africa? or India? Not much in the way of government handouts there.

How come poverty is worse there than here?

 

[MeBelle]

When is some conservative here going to post his or her solution to the poverty problems in this country.

We know this so far:

You want to end all the programs associated with the war on poverty, the welfare state, etc.

Then what?

Then, for example, where does the poor kid get medical treatment that can no longer be paid for with Medicaid, now that you the conservative have ended Medicaid?

Let's hear how that kid's life and health gets better under YOUR plan? Because after all, you do have a plan that is better than the current 'welfare state' right?

What a flat out LIE!

Medicare and Medicaid have both been cut to the bone.

Medicare barely covers the true cost of health care.
Medicaid NEVER covers the true cost of health care.

FACT: Many doctors won't even take on Medicare or Medicaid patients.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Africa and India

Because they don't promote real free markets systems enough

 

[MeBelle]

How did the decades of intergenerational poverty happen in Africa? or India? Not much in the way of government handouts there.

How come poverty is worse there than here?

Government ineptitude and corruption

 

[Neotrotsky]

Once again no answer.

Your claim is that cutting poverty programs will reduce poverty. Now make some semblance of a case for it.

Again

in your opinion but since you think
Papa Obama is doing a good job
it means little

Unlike you. I'm just stating facts like
that before the Great Society

Blacks had a lower divorce rate and lower illegitimate rate than whites


Truth is hard for the Left
In fact, it is their worst enemy

And before Reagan there was little or no AID's or crack cocaine in this country.

Sure I will blame Reagan for that
if you agree the Great Society is the biggest factor in increasing black divorce and
the illegitimate rate

 

[Bfgrn]

Can't you do your own work
Liberals are so lazy

Please if you have something else show me

Do you think it was less or more

Don't try to pull that bullsit on me. YOU are the one who said: "From 1950 to 1960
poverty fell from 30% to 22%-"

NOW, fucking prove it you asshole!

Actually you would have to prove me false
Sorry you are making the accusation

But honestly, you don't' t have much of a case here
I will help but this is the last handout I am giving to you

Considering that the liberal "holy grail" of Census stats
shows Poverty rate around 22 percent in 1959 and falling to about 19 percent
in 1964, before the Great Society, you don't have much of a case

So over that 4 year period they fell around .75 percent per year
So from period in question 8 percent over a 10 year period is quite reasonable
More so, when you consider the early 60 actually had a recession so the drop in
the poverty rate we could assume to be even less than in a growth economy.

What are you go to do, argue - that poverty was even higher
-that doesn't help you

Are you going to argue that it was lower and somehow popped up to
22 percent in 1959
- considering that the 50's was one of the greatest growth periods for the US
that isn't gong to work

Perhaps, the best you could is argue it stayed constant
but even that falls short
- because the poverty rate still fell from 22 percent to around 15 in 1964
without the Great Society
----------------------------

Really, if you are looking for some "Achilles heel"
keep looking. You are barking up the wrong tree

Let's recap:

You made a statement using absolute figures that you tried to pass off as factual: "From 1950 to 1960 poverty fell from 30% to 22%-"

When in reality you have no proof.

When I asked for proof, instead of admitting you were merely speculating and emoting, you decided to attack: "Can't you do your own work
Liberals are so lazy"

So NOW that you have been caught lying, you are trying to justify and rationalize you lies and emotional outbursts.

It gets worse for you:

Although the government began tracking the percentage of the population living in poverty in 1959, for the 18-64 and 65 and over age groups, no formal data exists between the years 1959-1966.


Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

 

[Neotrotsky]

Don't try to pull that bullsit on me. YOU are the one who said: "From 1950 to 1960
poverty fell from 30% to 22%-"

NOW, fucking prove it you asshole!

Actually you would have to prove me false
Sorry you are making the accusation

But honestly, you don't' t have much of a case here
I will help but this is the last handout I am giving to you

Considering that the liberal "holy grail" of Census stats
shows Poverty rate around 22 percent in 1959 and falling to about 19 percent
in 1964, before the Great Society, you don't have much of a case

So over that 4 year period they fell around .75 percent per year
So from period in question 8 percent over a 10 year period is quite reasonable
More so, when you consider the early 60 actually had a recession so the drop in
the poverty rate we could assume to be even less than in a growth economy.

What are you go to do, argue - that poverty was even higher
-that doesn't help you

Are you going to argue that it was lower and somehow popped up to
22 percent in 1959
- considering that the 50's was one of the greatest growth periods for the US
that isn't gong to work

Perhaps, the best you could is argue it stayed constant
but even that falls short
- because the poverty rate still fell from 22 percent to around 15 in 1964
without the Great Society
----------------------------

Really, if you are looking for some "Achilles heel"
keep looking. You are barking up the wrong tree

Let's recap:

You made a statement using absolute figures that you tried to pass off as factual: "From 1950 to 1960 poverty fell from 30% to 22%-"

When in reality you have no proof.

When I asked for proof, instead of admitting you were merely speculating and emoting, you decided to attack: "Can't you do your own work
Liberals are so lazy"

So NOW that you have been caught lying, you are trying to justify and rationalize you lies and emotional outbursts.

It gets worse for you:

Although the government began tracking the percentage of the population living in poverty in 1959, for the 18-64 and 65 and over age groups, no formal data exists between the years 1959-1966.


Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Yes let us recap
Obviously you are a slow reader
Perhaps you should have someone read it to you

• Actually you would have to prove me false
• Sorry you are making the accusation
  
• But honestly, you don't' t have much of a case here
• I will help but this is the last handout I am giving to you
  
• Considering that the liberal "holy grail" of Census stats
• shows Poverty rate around 22 percent in 1959 and falling to about 19 percent
• in 1964, before the Great Society, you don't have much of a case
  
• So over that 4 year period they fell around .75 percent per year
• So from period in question 8 percent over a 10 year period is quite reasonable
• More so, when you consider the early 60 actually had a recession so the drop in
• the poverty rate we could assume to be even less than in a growth economy.
  
• What are you go to do, argue - that poverty was even higher
• -that doesn't help you
  
• Are you going to argue that it was lower and somehow popped up to
• 22 percent in 1959
• - considering that the 50's was one of the greatest growth periods for the US
• that isn't gong to work
  
• Perhaps, the best you could is argue it stayed constant
• but even that falls short
• - because the poverty rate still fell from 22 percent to around 19 in 1964
• without the Great Society
• ----------------------------
  
• Really, if you are looking for some "Achilles heel"
• keep looking. You are barking up the wrong tree
• -----------------------------------------------
  
  
  
• Sorry but my points are still valid
• The Great Society has failed to deliver in its promises

Keep trying
Speculating - not at all, it is easily found in many sources

Lying, emotional outburst
Funny, considering you were the only one using profanity while I
remained totally professional
Caught lying - you have proved nothing

Really I know the Left likes to live off the work of others
Believe me it would be much more satisfying to you to do the work yourself


Sorry pal, if you claim I am wrong or lying - the burden is on you
More so, since your claim is totally moot to the posting. Indeed you are stuck
on the tree but do not see the whole forest

Again, please try to prove me wrong
good luck with that,,,,,

Maybe you will get lucky and show it fell from 28 or 29 % to 22%
or better yet from 32% to 22%
Oh boy, that will crack the case wide open