Families Outraged After Illinois Fails to Pay Out $288 Million in Lottery Winnings

[bripat9643]

Actually, the lottery rapes people a lot worse than any casino...

you're confused as usual,. you are counting the total as if there is an alternative. You remind me of people who sell a house for x amount of dollars and think they lost money when they paid capital gains

Casnios are worse places to go than to a local neighborhood store. Lotteries are great. People play and enjoy it without losing hundreds, thousands or hundreds of thousands

go away you misanthropic tool

They aren't worse places to go if you don't want to be raped when you play games of chance. The lottery is a rip off. People often do lose hundreds and thousands of dollars. When the jackpot gets especially large, a lot of people buy thousands of tickets.

 

[bripat9643]

I said "IF they were responsible." I'm not aware of any state government that is responsible. I private company is legally required to set the money aside. Otherwise they can be prosecuted for fraud. The Illinois state legislature is nothing more than a gang of criminals.

You don't get it yet, do you. Ok,I'll spell it out for you S-T-A-T-E L-O-T-T-E-R-I-E-S are N-O-T private companies.
Legislatures are not private companies and in the USA we elect our legislatures so if they are criminals it says more about the people than it does about the legislators

I think you're trying to establish the definition that government is the only organization with a license to steal.

government in the USA is not stealing anyone's money

next

Of course it is. Every dollar it taxes from me is theft.

 

[bripat9643]

Only secured creditors get paid, for the others including salaries and suppliers? The little guys Trump glosses over when he speaks of not being apologetic. What scum

They were all Chapter 11 restructurings, which lets a company stay in business while shedding debt it owes to banks, employees and suppliers.

He makes no apologies for having much of his debt wiped out. "These lenders aren't babies. These are total killers," he said at the debate. "These are not the nice, sweet little people."

Trump turned over majority control of the company to his bondholders but remained the largest single shareholder, and he once again kept control of the casinos.
Donald Trump bankruptcy: Everything you want to know
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They can restructure their pensions and other retirement benefits, but they are required to pay any unpaid wages. In the case of unions, pensions and benefits are the result of extortion, so I see no reason a company should be held to those agreements.

Most non-union companies don't offer much in the way of retirement benefits these days, so I'm still mystified about who these "little guys" were that got stiffed.

Furthermore, in the case of the so-called Trump "bankruptcies" the only thing that happened is that the banks restructured their loans at a lower interest rate.

you support ripping off the little guy

screw you

Hmmm, you mean lottery winners aren't the "little guy?"

Please quote where I have ever supported ripping off anyone.

you support Trump's bankruptcies

Lottery winners aren't being ripped of by the state

You mean I defend Trump for following the law to the letter? Why shouldn't I?

 

[bripat9643]

I said "IF they were responsible." I'm not aware of any state government that is responsible. I private company is legally required to set the money aside. Otherwise they can be prosecuted for fraud. The Illinois state legislature is nothing more than a gang of criminals.

You don't get it yet, do you. Ok,I'll spell it out for you S-T-A-T-E L-O-T-T-E-R-I-E-S are N-O-T private companies.
Legislatures are not private companies and in the USA we elect our legislatures so if they are criminals it says more about the people than it does about the legislators

So it's OK if the government steals? Is that really what you're trying to say?

No one is stealing, unless of course like a billionaire they get to claim bankruptcy and stiff the littlle guy

You still haven't demonstrated that any "little guy" got stiffed.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The lottery is a rip off..

The lottery is NOT a rip off. Most big games cost $1

now screw off

bugger off

go fly a kite -- in a lightning storm. take your chances

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Of course it is. Every dollar it taxes from me is theft.

The real question is -- what constitutes theft?

In your warped view theft is whatever you say it is

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You mean I defend Trump for following the law to the letter? Why shouldn't I?

Following the law is not always ethical or moral or the right thing to do

when it comes to being able to stiff the little guy? Shame on people like you and Trump

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

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[Avorysuds]

Would think all the proceeds go into some kind of trust so payouts can happen. Where'd all that money go?

Well you see that's the problem with Government... In the evil privet sector people can and do go to jail, in the Public sector we get told we're greedy, small government, wanna see children starve in the streets, no HC for anyone primates for asking why the money was stolen.

Unless it's a republican controlled government... then it's you're closet homosexuals who rob the needy and help the rich.... with lottery money, in this case.

Honestly though, just look at Obama VS Bush, same policies, same deficit spending, same wars, same bail outs for the rich... One evil and one is the most perfect man ever created by god... I mean evolution.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Would think all the proceeds go into some kind of trust so payouts can happen. Where'd all that money go?

Well you see that's the problem with Government... In the evil privet sector people can and do go to jail, in the Public sector we get told we're greedy, small government, wanna see children starve in the streets, no HC for anyone primates for asking why the money was stolen.

Unless it's a republican controlled government... then it's you're closet homosexuals who rob the needy and help the rich.... with lottery money, in this case.

Honestly though, just look at Obama VS Bush, same policies, same deficit spending, same wars, same bail outs for the rich... One evil and one is the most perfect man ever created by god... I mean evolution.

Governments are NOT private businesses.

end of story

 

[bripat9643]

The lottery is a rip off..

The lottery is NOT a rip off. Most big games cost $1

now screw off

bugger off

go fly a kite -- in a lightning storm. take your chances

The cost of a something doesn't determine whether it's a ripoff or not. If you put $1.00 in a vending machine and nothing comes out, everyone understands you've been ripped off.

You are a special kind of stupid.

 

[bripat9643]

Would think all the proceeds go into some kind of trust so payouts can happen. Where'd all that money go?

Well you see that's the problem with Government... In the evil privet sector people can and do go to jail, in the Public sector we get told we're greedy, small government, wanna see children starve in the streets, no HC for anyone primates for asking why the money was stolen.

Unless it's a republican controlled government... then it's you're closet homosexuals who rob the needy and help the rich.... with lottery money, in this case.

Honestly though, just look at Obama VS Bush, same policies, same deficit spending, same wars, same bail outs for the rich... One evil and one is the most perfect man ever created by god... I mean evolution.

Governments are NOT private businesses.

end of story

So that means they can steal?

That's all you're saying, it's OK for government to steal.

That is so beautifully liberal!

 

[bripat9643]

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Is that your evidence of little guys that got stiffed?

 

[bripat9643]

You mean I defend Trump for following the law to the letter? Why shouldn't I?

Following the law is not always ethical or moral or the right thing to do

when it comes to being able to stiff the little guy? Shame on people like you and Trump

You have yet to post any evidence that Trump stiffed any "little guys." Please name just one and provide the evidence that he was stiffed.

 

[bripat9643]

Of course it is. Every dollar it taxes from me is theft.

The real question is -- what constitutes theft?

In your warped view theft is whatever you say it is

Theft is taking something a person values without his permission. Taxation definitely meets the definition.

 

[SwimExpert]

It isn't "Responsible money management". It is outright theft. Would you be okay with a casino withholding winnings because they had fucked up their "money management?

In fact, it is common for casinos to do so.

No they do not. If a casino arbitrarily withholds winnings the license can be suspended or revoked.
And let's suppose the Mirage in Vegas decided to randomly do this. How long do you think it would take for the word to get out that the Mirage was ripping off winning players by not paying them? And how long after that would the Mirage casino floor be devoid of players?
Think a bit before you post.

Who said anything about randomly or arbitrarily?

What else would it be but a capricious decision to simply not pay off the winners.
What the fuck are we talking about here?.

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[Procrustes Stretched]

The lottery is a rip off..

The lottery is NOT a rip off. Most big games cost $1

now screw off

bugger off

go fly a kite -- in a lightning storm. take your chances

The cost of a something doesn't determine whether it's a ripoff or not. If you put $1.00 in a vending machine and nothing comes out, everyone understands you've been ripped off.

You are a special kind of stupid.

State lotteries are a bargain. Everyone who posses a winning ticket will collect on those winnings.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Would think all the proceeds go into some kind of trust so payouts can happen. Where'd all that money go?

Well you see that's the problem with Government... In the evil privet sector people can and do go to jail, in the Public sector we get told we're greedy, small government, wanna see children starve in the streets, no HC for anyone primates for asking why the money was stolen.

Unless it's a republican controlled government... then it's you're closet homosexuals who rob the needy and help the rich.... with lottery money, in this case.

Honestly though, just look at Obama VS Bush, same policies, same deficit spending, same wars, same bail outs for the rich... One evil and one is the most perfect man ever created by god... I mean evolution.

Governments are NOT private businesses.

end of story

So that means they can steal?

That's all you're saying, it's OK for government to steal.

That is so beautifully liberal!

no matter how many times you insist they are --
Taxes are not theft

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Theft is taking something a person values without his permission. Taxation definitely meets the definition.

Citizens have a compact. Taxation is agreed to before hand

thanx for playing

 

[thereisnospoon]

It isn't "Responsible money management". It is outright theft. Would you be okay with a casino withholding winnings because they had fucked up their "money management?

In fact, it is common for casinos to do so.

No they do not. If a casino arbitrarily withholds winnings the license can be suspended or revoked.
And let's suppose the Mirage in Vegas decided to randomly do this. How long do you think it would take for the word to get out that the Mirage was ripping off winning players by not paying them? And how long after that would the Mirage casino floor be devoid of players?
Think a bit before you post.

Who said anything about randomly or arbitrarily?

What else would it be but a capricious decision to simply not pay off the winners.
What the fuck are we talking about here?.

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I made it abundantly clear by using the term "arbitrary"....