"Far Right" can't win for GOP? ...BS!

[Uncensored2008]

Only recently and only Rand Paul.

You asked for "Liberal social viewpoints rooted in conservative philosophy."

It has nothing to do with a role call.

The weakness of the GOP is from the decline of the old "Moral Majority" and the rise of the Libertarian faction.

For decades, a significant portion of Republicans and those like me, who have left the party but may vote for a GOP Senator or Presidential candidate, have supported real liberalism.

Most Republican Millennials favor marijuana legalization Pew Research Center

 

[Uncensored2008]

actually the wingnut has it backwards.

Conservative viewpoints in America and western democracies come out of liberal philosophy.

that is a fact

Whereas you democrats are simply leftists with no relation at all to liberal philosophy.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Who is your "solid conservative" for 2016?

A "Reagan" wouldn't win the 2016 GOP primary.

That's what you believe....So what.

Weeeeee! Way to contribute! Great post! Thoughtful!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Okay, to start with... I take considerable exception to the left-wing incarnation of "the far right" because it essentially means "conservative." In a political context, the "far right" would be fascists or neo-confederates like Tim McVeigh...

Would be?

Well it IS Rubio, Cruz, Tea Party wingers, and others who make the GOP look like a lunatic asylum

Look at you....All lathered up and afraid

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You will see people who engage in revisionist dooshiness claiming English conservatism as the roots of American conservatism American Conservatism The Conservative Mind while ignoring it was battle between Edmind Burke

actually the wingnut has it backwards.

Conservative viewpoints in America and western democracies come out of liberal philosophy.

that is a fact

Whereas you democrats are simply leftists with no relation at all to liberal philosophy.

Dante, a Democrat?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Who is your "solid conservative" for 2016?

A "Reagan" wouldn't win the 2016 GOP primary.

That's what you believe....So what.

Weeeeee! Way to contribute! Great post! Thoughtful!

Thanks.. It's true.
Your side has nothing.
Your message is simple...."My opponent sucks. Vote for me"....

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Okay, to start with... I take considerable exception to the left-wing incarnation of "the far right" because it essentially means "conservative." In a political context, the "far right" would be fascists or neo-confederates like Tim McVeigh...

Would be?

Well it IS Rubio, Cruz, Tea Party wingers, and others who make the GOP look like a lunatic asylum

Look at you....All lathered up and afraid

weirdo

 

[Liminal]

Only recently and only Rand Paul.

You asked for "Liberal social viewpoints rooted in conservative philosophy."

It has nothing to do with a role call.

The weakness of the GOP is from the decline of the old "Moral Majority" and the rise of the Libertarian faction.

For decades, a significant portion of Republicans and those like me, who have left the party but may vote for a GOP Senator or Presidential candidate, have supported real liberalism.

Most Republican Millennials favor marijuana legalization Pew Research Center

Which has what to do with conservative philosophy? Where's the conservative part?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Who is your "solid conservative" for 2016?

A "Reagan" wouldn't win the 2016 GOP primary.

That's what you believe....So what.

Weeeeee! Way to contribute! Great post! Thoughtful!

Thanks.. It's true.
Your side has nothing.
Your message is simple...."My opponent sucks. Vote for me"....

Classic projection, coach.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The "debate" raging among the Republicans at this time is between what the left calls "far right" and the GOP establishment elite. In fact, the elites are even adopting the leftist rhetoric and calling conservatives "far right" in an attempt to marginalize them. So we keep coming back to this "far right" tag which simply refers to people who are passionately committed to conservative philosophy.

So you have the Left, Democrats, Liberals and Republicans calling CON$ervatives "the far Right."
It appears everybody except the "far Right" calls CON$ervatives the "far Right."
So why are you "far Right" CON$ervatives so ashamed of being so far right?

Well isn't that special.
Nice pigeon hole commentary.
Make the accusation then demand the other person to define how they are not what is accused....Perfect...

 

[thereisnospoon]

Then, gives us a few examples of how Cruz is more "reactionary far right" than Reagan in terms of legislation he has supported that Reagan would have opposed and such?

Cruz would never have supported St Ronnie's tax, borrow and spend policies.

As though anyone on your side would object...
Reagan rescued us from Carter's shit show economy....

 

[NYcarbineer]

Then, gives us a few examples of how Cruz is more "reactionary far right" than Reagan in terms of legislation he has supported that Reagan would have opposed and such?

Cruz would never have supported St Ronnie's tax, borrow and spend policies.

As though anyone on your side would object...
Reagan rescued us from Carter's shit show economy....

Reagan's economy went into a 16 month recession 6 months after he was elected. The business cycle rescued him. He slept through it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

There's no such thing as a 'Far-Right'.

One either Recognizes, Respects, Defends and Adheres to the Principles that define America, or one does not and since there's no such thing as "REALLY Recognizing, Respecting, Defending, and Adhering to American Principles, well... you know.

The thing to understand however is that where one runs a campaign resting upon those principles... one wins. And that is because those principles speak to the human soul.

There's no such thing as a 'Far-Right'.
if you say so.....

It's the reasoning that says so Harry. All I did was point it out

i cant agree with that....i guess its all on how one looks at things.....

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

There's no such thing as a 'Far-Right'.

One either Recognizes, Respects, Defends and Adheres to the Principles that define America, or one does not and since there's no such thing as "REALLY Recognizing, Respecting, Defending, and Adhering to American Principles, well... you know.

The thing to understand however is that where one runs a campaign resting upon those principles... one wins. And that is because those principles speak to the human soul.

There's no such thing as a 'Far-Right'.
if you say so.....

It's the reasoning that says so Harry. All I did was point it out

i cant agree with that....i guess its all on how one looks at things.....

That's fine Harry. Buts how you respond to the reasoning that counts.

And 'I disagree' does not engage the reasoning.

 

[Skylar]

Okay, to start with... I take considerable exception to the left-wing incarnation of "the far right" because it essentially means "conservative." In a political context, the "far right" would be fascists or neo-confederates like Tim McVeigh. These radicals make up about .02% or less in the US, they are not a factor in any election because most of them don't vote. But the left has campaigned to instill this image of conservatives as "far right" when that simply isn't the case. So right off the bat we need to clarify that "far right" means hard core conservatives.

Conservatism is a philosophy and not an ideology. Unlike Liberalism, Conservatives have a wide range of personal beliefs on various issues of social and foreign policy nature, and perhaps even a little bit on economic issues. Most are pro life and believe in God. Most are believers in the Constitution and original intent of the founders. It's not a prerequisite to be a Conservative, you can oppose any of these and still be one.

The "debate" raging among the Republicans at this time is between what the left calls "far right" and the GOP establishment elite. In fact, the elites are even adopting the leftist rhetoric and calling conservatives "far right" in an attempt to marginalize them. So we keep coming back to this "far right" tag which simply refers to people who are passionately committed to conservative philosophy.

In 2008 and 2012, the establishment pushed the idea that only a "moderate" could defeat the Democrats. Both times, the moderate got clocked. Once again, we have the same elite establishment pushing the rhetoric that we need to nominate someone who isn't "far right" because they just can't win the general election. I say BULLSHIT!

The last "far right" conservative was Ronald Reagan... he won two of the largest landslides in political history. There is no evidence that a "far right" candidate cannot win the general election.... NONE! To the contrary, when nominated, they win by landslides.

Now the Elites are very powerful and have influence in the media, so they are pointing to all these polls showing how 47% of America is "politically independent" ...so we have to 'run to the middle' and be more 'moderate' which simply means, less conservative or less committed to conservative principles. The major flaw with this thinking is, most "politically independent" voters are Conservatives! A Conservative (far right) candidate is going to appeal to most of those voters. This is precisely what happened with Reagan and we called them "Reagan Democrats" because they represented the Conservatives who has previously voted Democrat.

What has been missing for Conservatives is a voice. Someone who believes in Conservative philosophy passionately and can articulate what it's all about to the masses. We've allowed people like John McCain and Mitt Romney to carry the water for Conservatism and along with the left, morph it into some backward ideology that must be defeated, or at the very least, apologized for! Conservatives have an uphill battle to change this dynamic but it can be done, it has been done before.

To the GOP Elites: You better get on board with a solid Conservative or the Democrats will win in 2016. This idea that we have to nominate someone "more moderate" is simply surrendering to the liberal left. It is telling every "independent voter" out there that you stand for absolutely nothing and will do whatever you can to capitulate to the left on every issue. You will not win with that strategy!

Here's the truck sized hole in your reasoning:

You can't get far right candidates through the GOP primary.....one of the most receptive and sympathetic audiences you have. What makes you think you could convince moderates, independents and liberals to vote far right when you can't even convince a plurality of conservative primary voters?

You can't. We get this same silly schtick every election cycle. And its as broken this time as it was last.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Then, gives us a few examples of how Cruz is more "reactionary far right" than Reagan in terms of legislation he has supported that Reagan would have opposed and such?

Cruz would never have supported St Ronnie's tax, borrow and spend policies.

As though anyone on your side would object...
Reagan rescued us from Carter's shit show economy....

Reagan's economy went into a 16 month recession 6 months after he was elected. The business cycle rescued him. He slept through it.

ROFLMNAO! The recession WAS THE BUSINESS CYCLE.

In truth Reagan inherited an economy in much worse shape that what the brown clown inherited.

The worst of the Reagan years would be economic nirvana compared to the best 4 quarters cobbled together from the 24 obamas quarters to which we've been long subjected.

 

[edthecynic]

Bush left a weak and sorry sack of shit in charge in Iraq...

No... it was WASHINGTON!

Right-wing extremists ALWAYS blame "WASHINGTON" for the messes far Right CON$ervoFascist ideologs make.

 

[edthecynic]

In truth Reagan inherited an economy in much worse shape

Not a word of truth in that lie!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Then, gives us a few examples of how Cruz is more "reactionary far right" than Reagan in terms of legislation he has supported that Reagan would have opposed and such?

Cruz would never have supported St Ronnie's tax, borrow and spend policies.

As though anyone on your side would object...
Reagan rescued us from Carter's shit show economy....

Reagan's economy went into a 16 month recession 6 months after he was elected. The business cycle rescued him. He slept through it.

ROFLMNAO! The recession WAS THE BUSINESS CYCLE.

In truth Reagan inherited an economy in much worse shape that what the brown clown inherited.

The worst of the Reagan years would be economic nirvana compared to the best 4 quarters cobbled together from the 24 obamas quarters to which we've been long subjected.

The economy was in expansion when Reagan took office. The recession began in July 1981. Look it up, pervert.

lolol

 

[NYcarbineer]

Then, gives us a few examples of how Cruz is more "reactionary far right" than Reagan in terms of legislation he has supported that Reagan would have opposed and such?

Cruz would never have supported St Ronnie's tax, borrow and spend policies.

As though anyone on your side would object...
Reagan rescued us from Carter's shit show economy....

Reagan's economy went into a 16 month recession 6 months after he was elected. The business cycle rescued him. He slept through it.

ROFLMNAO! The recession WAS THE BUSINESS CYCLE.

In truth Reagan inherited an economy in much worse shape that what the brown clown inherited.

The worst of the Reagan years would be economic nirvana compared to the best 4 quarters cobbled together from the 24 obamas quarters to which we've been long subjected.

Unemployment hit 10.8 under Reagan in 1982.

The worst unemployment rate under Obama has been 10.0%.

I'm not surprised that a guy who thinks the Earth is 6000 years old has problems with numbers.