Fascism Is as Fascism Does

[NYcarbineer]

Are you throwing strawmen at me? What does Reagan have to do with FDR or Mussolini?

What does FDR have to do with Mussolini? Other than ultimately being responsible for his being deposed and killed?

He himself expressed admiration for Mussolini, therefore on that principle the admirer tends to model himself after those he admires.

And Reagan placed a wreath on a memorial in a graveyard full of Nazi SS troopers in Bitburg in 1983.

Want to compare that admiration to the other?

 

[PoliticalChic]

As Tori Amos once said:

"...by the way I don't believe you're leaving cause me and Charles Manson like the same ice cream..."

So.......you are unaware of the close correspondence between Franklin Roosevelt and the fascist ruler of Italy?


Seems to be so very many things of which you are unaware.


Now, take notes:



11. Let's continue to remind you of how close Franklin Roosevelt and Il Duce were.

English and French commentators routinely depicted Roosevelt as akin to Mussolini. A more specific reason why, in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one.

And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.




a. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.”
Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.


b. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace:
“Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return to the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.




12. " As an economic system, fascism is SOCIALISM with a capitalist veneer. ... In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful COMPETITION, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary MARXISM, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie.

Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.....

.... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”

Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty




So....it seems they had far more in common than their enjoyment of Gelato......you dope.

Would you like to know how many Americans died liberating Italy from Mussolini? Do you need that number?

Do you need to know who was Commander-in-Chief at the time? Do you need a link for that?

Changing the subject?


Swell....I'll accept that white flag.



....oh.....and I'll have zabaione with that flag.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Here's more for you Jake:

Mussolini* - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

Italian Exceptionalism? A Shining Italian City on a Hill?

Did Ronald Reagan borrow from the above?

Are you throwing strawmen at me? What does Reagan have to do with FDR or Mussolini?

That dolt is more about smoke and mirrors than a fire in a a brothel.

It's his way of running and hiding from a post......

 

[NYcarbineer]

What's expected from a commie professor.

I'm no professor but I did pay attention in class and pumped my elders for information back when I was young. What FDR did to transform the south from what it was into what it eventually became alone qualifies the man for sainthood. The first decent paycheck a southern man ever got come because of him, the first electricity, the first car, the first immunizations, the list goes on. He finished reconstruction to the ire of northern republicans and now the south, surrounded by the fruits of his accomplishments bad mouth the man.

"...What FDR did to transform the south from what it was into what it eventually became alone qualifies the man for sainthood."


PLeeeeeeeezzzzz!


a. Hugo Black was FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, in 1937. This KKK Senator from Alabama wrote the majority decision on Korematsu v. US; in 1967, he said ‘They all look alike to a person not a Jap.”
Engage: Conversations in Philosophy: "They all look alike to a person not a Jap"*: The Legacy of Korematsu at OSU

b. "... [Hugo] Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2011/10/hugo-black-and-real-history-of-wall-of.html]



The Democrats of the South always remained racists.
They were 'Dixiecrats,' not 'Dixiecans.'



You've been raised like a mushroom....in the dark, and fed you-know-what.

Bulletin: libraries are free.

The very first item in the KKK's platform:

The recognition that America was founded as a Christian nation.

As James Madison, known as the "Chief Architect of the Constitution" stated; " We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves to control ourselves to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

The program

 

[NYcarbineer]

So.......you are unaware of the close correspondence between Franklin Roosevelt and the fascist ruler of Italy?


Seems to be so very many things of which you are unaware.


Now, take notes:



11. Let's continue to remind you of how close Franklin Roosevelt and Il Duce were.

English and French commentators routinely depicted Roosevelt as akin to Mussolini. A more specific reason why, in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one.

And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.




a. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.”
Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.


b. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace:
“Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return to the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.




12. " As an economic system, fascism is SOCIALISM with a capitalist veneer. ... In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful COMPETITION, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary MARXISM, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie.

Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.....

.... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.”

Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator."
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty




So....it seems they had far more in common than their enjoyment of Gelato......you dope.

Would you like to know how many Americans died liberating Italy from Mussolini? Do you need that number?

Do you need to know who was Commander-in-Chief at the time? Do you need a link for that?

Changing the subject?


Swell....I'll accept that white flag.



....oh.....and I'll have zabaione with that flag.....

Oh I'm sorry I thought the subject of this thread was the relationship between FDR and Mussolini.

Again, would you like those numbers?

Or maybe you could better devote your time to showing any substantive unique similarities between Mussolini and FDR, other than the comical canard that because they both tried to put their people back to work during an economic depression,

they must then necessarily be exactly alike in every other possible human characteristic.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Italian Exceptionalism? A Shining Italian City on a Hill?

Did Ronald Reagan borrow from the above?

Are you throwing strawmen at me? What does Reagan have to do with FDR or Mussolini?

What does FDR have to do with Mussolini? Other than ultimately being responsible for his being deposed and killed?

The Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.

To pretend that the thread hasn't proven the relationship is simply more proof that you are a lying sleaze.

Stay tuned.....I've just provided tons of info documenting the similarities, and....tons more to come.


The two are, in many ways, joined at the hip.



There is an ancient saying that has moment, here, in this discussion. It applies to my teaching you: "A fool, though in the company of the wise, understands nothing of the doctrine being discussed, as a spoon tastes not the flavor of the soup."

Just what your post indicates.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Any who have studied the history of the last century understand how very similar the economic policies of Mussolini and of Franklin Roosevelt were.

Mussolini and FDR?


You are one dumb bitch.

When traveling in Spain, I had many occasions to see performances of Flamenco, a kind of foot-stamping dance accompanied by castanets and a downward-turn of the mouth.

While some dancers were clearly more talented than others, I found it amusing that the less talent, the more sneer on the face.

Even more amusing is that in the forum that is the USMB, the same is true with respect to intellect, articulation, and knowledge: the less of those attributes, the more vulgar or abusive the language.



You, of course, attest to this observation.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Are you throwing strawmen at me? What does Reagan have to do with FDR or Mussolini?

What does FDR have to do with Mussolini? Other than ultimately being responsible for his being deposed and killed?

The Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.

To pretend that the thread hasn't proven the relationship is simply more proof that you are a lying sleaze.

Stay tuned.....I've just provided tons of info documenting the similarities, and....tons more to come.


The two are, in many ways, joined at the hip.



There is an ancient saying that has moment, here, in this discussion. It applies to my teaching you: "A fool, though in the company of the wise, understands nothing of the doctrine being discussed, as a spoon tastes not the flavor of the soup."

Just what your post indicates.

You haven't provided any such thing.

Do you want to dispute that it was FDR and the US military that drove Mussolini out of power?

 

[PoliticalChic]

What does FDR have to do with Mussolini? Other than ultimately being responsible for his being deposed and killed?

The Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.

To pretend that the thread hasn't proven the relationship is simply more proof that you are a lying sleaze.

Stay tuned.....I've just provided tons of info documenting the similarities, and....tons more to come.


The two are, in many ways, joined at the hip.



There is an ancient saying that has moment, here, in this discussion. It applies to my teaching you: "A fool, though in the company of the wise, understands nothing of the doctrine being discussed, as a spoon tastes not the flavor of the soup."

Just what your post indicates.

You haven't provided any such thing.

Do you want to dispute that it was FDR and the US military that drove Mussolini out of power?

Not only defaulting to the Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.....

.…but, additionally, taking refuge in complete opacity….


It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.

To pretend that the thread hasn't proven the relationship is simply more proof that you are a lying sleaze.

Stay tuned.....I've just provided tons of info documenting the similarities, and....tons more to come.


The two are, in many ways, joined at the hip.



There is an ancient saying that has moment, here, in this discussion. It applies to my teaching you: "A fool, though in the company of the wise, understands nothing of the doctrine being discussed, as a spoon tastes not the flavor of the soup."

Just what your post indicates.

You haven't provided any such thing.

Do you want to dispute that it was FDR and the US military that drove Mussolini out of power?

Not only defaulting to the Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.....

.…but, additionally, taking refuge in complete opacity….


It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

The ONLY similarity between FDR and Mussolini that is contained in your OP is the fallacious reference to fasces being put up in Italy and the US in the same era,

which I've already debunked as absurd and meaningless.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.

To pretend that the thread hasn't proven the relationship is simply more proof that you are a lying sleaze.

Stay tuned.....I've just provided tons of info documenting the similarities, and....tons more to come.


The two are, in many ways, joined at the hip.



There is an ancient saying that has moment, here, in this discussion. It applies to my teaching you: "A fool, though in the company of the wise, understands nothing of the doctrine being discussed, as a spoon tastes not the flavor of the soup."

Just what your post indicates.

You haven't provided any such thing.

Do you want to dispute that it was FDR and the US military that drove Mussolini out of power?

Not only defaulting to the Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.....

.…but, additionally, taking refuge in complete opacity….


It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

Mussolini made Catholicism the state religion of Italy. What was FDR's action comparable to that?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You haven't provided any such thing.

Do you want to dispute that it was FDR and the US military that drove Mussolini out of power?

Not only defaulting to the Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.....

.…but, additionally, taking refuge in complete opacity….


It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

The ONLY similarity between FDR and Mussolini that is contained in your OP is the fallacious reference to fasces being put up in Italy and the US in the same era,

which I've already debunked as absurd and meaningless.

"meaningless".....that suggests it is a fact, but has no import.


But you said the mention was "fallacious"......not a fact....


You're not very facile with the English language....are you.


Or....do I make you nervous? Calm down....I'll try to stop giggling.



Waiting for a think tank to begin forming around you would be like waiting for a string of Jenny Craig's to open in Ethiopia.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You haven't provided any such thing.

Do you want to dispute that it was FDR and the US military that drove Mussolini out of power?

Not only defaulting to the Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.....

.…but, additionally, taking refuge in complete opacity….


It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

Mussolini made Catholicism the state religion of Italy. What was FDR's action comparable to that?

Why must you go out of your way to prove what an uneducated dunce you are???

Trust me....it's evident at a glance.


OK....once again....take notes:


1. "Mussolini was anti-Church before becoming pro-Church.
As a socialist youth, Mussolini declared himself an atheist and railed against the Catholic Church, going so far as to say that only idiots believed Bible stories and that Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene were lovers. He even authored an anti-clerical pulp novel. But after taking power, Il Duce began working to patch up that relationship." 9 Things You May Not Know About Mussolini ? History in the Headlines


2. "Mussolini’s father was an atheist, freethinker and anti-Papal and his mother a devout Catholic. But Benito followed more in the footsteps of his father and when he did accompany his mother to church, he was a malcontent, often getting himself into trouble. He did attend Catholic boarding school–from which he was expelled.
Before becoming the leader of Italy, he was outwardly critical of Catholicism and a vocal atheist, challenging riveted crowds to prove him wrong by asking their God to strike him down and saying things like:
The history of saints is mainly the history of insane people.
Beyond that, he flew in the face of Catholicism and social convention by moving in with his girlfriend and having children out of wedlock.
However, once Mussolini took power, he realized that the Catholic Church was not only a force to be reckoned with in his own country, it had influence and reach all over the world. Thus, he decided to work with the Vatican rather than oppose it..... So there you have it, an atheist with a Catholic mask"
Benito Mussolini's Religion and Political Views | Hollowverse



3. "Mussolini is notorious for his war crimes as a Fascist dictator during World War II. As a young man he openly declared his atheism, and in his early career as a politician was openly anti-clerical. He was the Italian leader of the National Fascist Party, became Prime Minister in 1922 and was eventually a dictator who severely restricted freedom of speech. ....However, later he tried to associate Fascism with Catholicism in order to garner dwindling support (however his widow made it clear that he was still staunchly atheist). Mussolini was also deeply anti-Semitic. 10 People Who Give Atheism a Bad Name - Listverse





Bet you feel like a real dope, huh?


Bet you feel that way quite a bit.

Good....an honest evaluation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So? Saddam Hussein's elite troops referred to themselves as the Republican Guard. What does that say about Ronald Reagan?

You're being facetious. Sarcastic. How can you possibly derive that the American Republican party had any link to Hussein's Republican guard? Just because they have the same name? How facile.

You have no real intent of debunking the OP, just launching a random crusade against Reagan in an attempt to derail the thread. You will get no further responses from me.

Thank God! One less character assassin is enough...when it comes to the rwer's myopic threads trying to defame FDR but never doing it to their political parties presidents..even the really bad ones...

"....character assassin...."

Sort of like revealing Bill Clinton to be a rapist?
Or Ted Kennedy a killer?
Or Barack Obama a supporter of infanticide?

That kind of "....character assassin...."....one who tells the truth????






OK....you've dragged this out of me! More truth than you can handle.


13. Mussolini was a dictator.....was Roosevelt?
Some dictators saw him as such....


Strange bedfellows Franklin Roosevelt took.....and, he began to see himself as the same kind of dictator that he idolized.

The National Recovery Administration (NRA) was the primary New Deal agency established by U.S. president Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) in 1933.
Did Hitler recognize his kinship with it?
You betcha'!


a. It was widely praised by the German National Socialists... , the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”


b. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’


c. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”
The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”
Wolfgang Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals”








Franklin Roosevelt....dictatorial measures were his forte!
See.....that's what a dictator does.

14. And he sure doesn't care what the peasants think!!

" ... the NRA soon disillusioned labor, the farmers, consumers, business men, and everyone else except for the 6,000 members of the Washington staff and those who worked for the local code authorities. Consumers complained it was a scheme to jack up prices and keep them up." Manly, 'The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 49






15. Who throws folks in gulags for minor disagreements? Oh...right....dictators.

It's easy to be a dictator when you refuse to recognize the Constitution, and have the Supreme Court under your thumb.....see Wickard v. Filburn



a. People were beginning to recognize the fascist nature of the code when they saw "... the jailing of a New Jersey tailor named Jack Magid, whose crime was pressing a suit for thirty-five cents when the code fixed the price at forty cents."
The Supreme Court, n May 27, 1935, declared the NRA unconstitutional.
(The court ruled that Congress had delegated the law-making authority to the President and the NRA.)



Take a look at this:

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Are you throwing strawmen at me? What does Reagan have to do with FDR or Mussolini?

What does FDR have to do with Mussolini? Other than ultimately being responsible for his being deposed and killed?

The Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.

To pretend that the thread hasn't proven the relationship is simply more proof that you are a lying sleaze.

Stay tuned.....I've just provided tons of info documenting the similarities, and....tons more to come.


The two are, in many ways, joined at the hip.



There is an ancient saying that has moment, here, in this discussion. It applies to my teaching you: "A fool, though in the company of the wise, understands nothing of the doctrine being discussed, as a spoon tastes not the flavor of the soup."

Just what your post indicates.

Ah! I hit on this very thing this morning. I'll copy and paste it here. I don't want to draw attention away from this thread.

The exchange:

The self-victimizers are the far right as espoused by M.D. above: reactionary losers the lot of them.

. . . the statist bootlick, that fascist pig, JakeStarkey simpered.

You can't even define fascism or statism, or that I fit into either category.

But you certainly do follow The Big Lie tactics of Goebbels and Streicher.

The difference between statism and fascism?! You idiot.

What's the difference between socialism and statism?

What's the difference between positive rights and negative rights?

Never mind. As you read this, the point is flying right over your head and beyond.

The Big Lie, eh? Sort of like how the term liberal has been usurped in the parlance of popular culture to refer to you bootlicking socialists/communists?

That Big Lie?

The nonsense that the fascism of Nazi Germany was a rightwing ideology, when in fact it was a leftwing ideology that originated in Italy under Mussolini, a former Marxist who turned national socialist, admired by American progressives: Woodrow Wilson, Richard Washburn Child, Wallace Stevens, H.G. Wells, Samuel McClure, W.E.B. Du Bois, FDR. . . . This list goes on and on.

That Big Lie?

Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt - Reason.com

By the way, the Hegelian historical dialectic is the ontological foundation for both communism and fascism, leftwing ideologies that eschew historical liberalism.

And what's that other term you statists use? Oh, that's right progressive. Yeah. The progressive march of cultural Marxism toward that totalitarian dystopia: the egalitarianism of mediocrity . . . er . . . the expansion of "freedoms" . . . er . . . the expansion of governmentally imposed positive rights . . . er . . . the artificial normalization of the lunatic fringe at the expense of free-association and private property . . . er . . . the tyranny of mob rule, i.e., the strong man raised by the mob . . . er . . . collectivism . . . er . . . the subversion of natural and constitutional law . . . er . . . the universal suppression of inalienable human rights. . . .

That Big Lie?

But don't let me interrupt your delusions. By all means, carry on.

Lefty will never understand anything about the rights of others but for the business end of a loaded gun pointed at his stupid head. But, of course, he really doesn't want to take our guns. . . . Another Big Lie! Perhaps the most cynical of all: one told to suggest that the defenders of the right to keep and bear arms are just being paranoid. LOL! See there, Goebbels, Jr. . . . er . . . JakeStarkey. We get it. We see right through your Big Lie. You political sociopaths are pretty transparent, really.

You're just another thug who has no problem with the prospect of the government fining or jailing a Christian photographer or baker . . . and for what exactly? Refusing to take part in a pagan ritual? Inalienable rights, anybody? Religious liberty, anybody? They're Christians, you friggin' moron! You brown-shirt jackboot!

"The self-victimizers [of] the far right"? Is that what you said, you fascist pig? Sort of like the Big Lie of the Nazis?

"Shut up, Jew, and bake that cake or else we'll fine you out of business! My boot on your face is all you 'self-victimizers' deserve."

That Big Lie?

"Reactionary losers"?! Psst. Dumbass, that is the very same rhetoric spouted by the American progressives/fascists of national socialism in the 1920's and 30's about the classical liberals of their time.

That Big Lie?

Oops. WWII. The Holocaust. The devastation of Europe. More than 60 million dead. Not so cool after all, eh? But you bootlicking statists never learn the lessons of history, do you?

And when the self-victimizers of America, fed up with you pc Nazis, take up arms against you and put you down for the rabid dogs that you are, will they be self-victimizers then, bitch?

This is you, Goebbels, Jr.:

In the end, what difference does it make?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Not only defaulting to the Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.....

.…but, additionally, taking refuge in complete opacity….


It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

The ONLY similarity between FDR and Mussolini that is contained in your OP is the fallacious reference to fasces being put up in Italy and the US in the same era,

which I've already debunked as absurd and meaningless.

"meaningless".....that suggests it is a fact, but has no import.


But you said the mention was "fallacious"......not a fact....


You're not very facile with the English language....are you.


Or....do I make you nervous? Calm down....I'll try to stop giggling.



Waiting for a think tank to begin forming around you would be like waiting for a string of Jenny Craig's to open in Ethiopia.

You're jabbering like a monkey now, that's the PC tell that you've lost the argument.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Calling her a monkey means YOU lost the argument.

Game, set, match.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Them teach him how by good examples and no insults...

You two are by far the least of all to lecture anyone about lofting insults. Shut it.

only because you think you're so superior, you have proven you are not..at being able to discuss..the subject at hand..but your youth will mislead you every time..

Really, and when have you ever made a cogent argument in your life? At least I don't have the ball and chain of liberal senility bogging me down. That will be something you need to work on personally.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Not only defaulting to the Liberal obligatory methodology: deny everything.....

.…but, additionally, taking refuge in complete opacity….


It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

Mussolini made Catholicism the state religion of Italy. What was FDR's action comparable to that?

Why must you go out of your way to prove what an uneducated dunce you are???

Trust me....it's evident at a glance.


OK....once again....take notes:


1. "Mussolini was anti-Church before becoming pro-Church.
As a socialist youth, Mussolini declared himself an atheist and railed against the Catholic Church, going so far as to say that only idiots believed Bible stories and that Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene were lovers. He even authored an anti-clerical pulp novel. But after taking power, Il Duce began working to patch up that relationship." 9 Things You May Not Know About Mussolini ? History in the Headlines


2. "Mussolini’s father was an atheist, freethinker and anti-Papal and his mother a devout Catholic. But Benito followed more in the footsteps of his father and when he did accompany his mother to church, he was a malcontent, often getting himself into trouble. He did attend Catholic boarding school–from which he was expelled.
Before becoming the leader of Italy, he was outwardly critical of Catholicism and a vocal atheist, challenging riveted crowds to prove him wrong by asking their God to strike him down and saying things like:
The history of saints is mainly the history of insane people.
Beyond that, he flew in the face of Catholicism and social convention by moving in with his girlfriend and having children out of wedlock.
However, once Mussolini took power, he realized that the Catholic Church was not only a force to be reckoned with in his own country, it had influence and reach all over the world. Thus, he decided to work with the Vatican rather than oppose it..... So there you have it, an atheist with a Catholic mask"
Benito Mussolini's Religion and Political Views | Hollowverse



3. "Mussolini is notorious for his war crimes as a Fascist dictator during World War II. As a young man he openly declared his atheism, and in his early career as a politician was openly anti-clerical. He was the Italian leader of the National Fascist Party, became Prime Minister in 1922 and was eventually a dictator who severely restricted freedom of speech. ....However, later he tried to associate Fascism with Catholicism in order to garner dwindling support (however his widow made it clear that he was still staunchly atheist). Mussolini was also deeply anti-Semitic. 10 People Who Give Atheism a Bad Name - Listverse


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEQCUgOxShc]BaZing! - YouTube[/ame]


Bet you feel like a real dope, huh?


Bet you feel that way quite a bit.

Good....an honest evaluation.

Nothing you said changes the fact that Mussolini made Catholicism Italy's official state religion.

Did FDR do any such thing? Since they are somehow identical he must have. Let's hear it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Calling her a monkey means YOU lost the argument.

Game, set, match.

Did you read what she posted? It was rubbish. Go clean the monkey dung off your nose.