Fascism Is as Fascism Does

[Moonglow]

it is a little scary, but then again, I am used to danger and revolting against many forms of subjugation..

I wouldn't go so far as to say you're 'revolting'.....but, they know what time you were born, because your face stopped the clock! -

.....Oh, wait- you didn't mean that kind of 'revolting'....never mind.

they had not invented clocks when I was born..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Really? I detect the overpowering stench of conspiracy theory nut job.

Easy to explain...you have no ability to use facts in your calculations.

According to my calculations: internet inspired paranoia plus half wit conspiracy theories divided by mindless political rhetoric times easily manipulated dumb shits equals this thread.

"...internet inspired paranoia plus half wit conspiracy theories...

Ignoring facts is what is giving your problem.....either that or the inability to process same.

I see your brain is giving you the silent treatment today.




OK....let's call you out, moron.....

I've constructed what...six panels in this thread, so far......


....find any errors in 'em.

Go ahead....find any.


But....be careful....if this is the first time you've tried to think you could wind up with an aneurysm!





Number seven coming right up, dope.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The fasces is on a sculpture of George Washington that was sculpted in 1785. It is a Roman symbol of power, authority, justice, and strength, that the new government adopted, which is what this country stands for. It does not pertain to individualism, but the country as a whole. We are a strong country.

And your point is...what?

That it was not resurrected as a modernRoman Empire by Mussolini and the Fascists, and has become a symbol of fascism?

Let's give you a bit of history that you seem to have missed.


1. Sometime after the First World War, the Babylon-Armageddon made its way into political theory. Each version had a people of God, under attack. There was the proletariat for the Bolsheviks and Stalinists; the children of the Roman wolf for Mussolini’s Fascists; the Warriors of Christ the King for Franco’s Phalange, and the Aryan race for the Nazis.


2. Mussolini incorporated the ideas of Georges Sorel’s syndicalism to create his brand of fascism.

a. Syndicalism is similar to socialism but included violent, direction action.

b. Syndicalists believed in rule by revolutionary trade unions, from the French word ‘syndicat.’ The Italian word ‘fascio’ means bundle, but was commonly used as a synonym for unions.

c. Syndicalism proposed that society could be divided by professional sectors of the economy; this idea influenced FDR’s New Deal.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Easy to explain...you have no ability to use facts in your calculations.

According to my calculations: internet inspired paranoia plus half wit conspiracy theories divided by mindless political rhetoric times easily manipulated dumb shits equals this thread.

"...internet inspired paranoia plus half wit conspiracy theories...

Ignoring facts is what is giving your problem.....either that or the inability to process same.

I see your brain is giving you the silent treatment today.




OK....let's call you out, moron.....

I've constructed what...six panels in this thread, so far......


....find any errors in 'em.

Go ahead....find any.


But....be careful....if this is the first time you've tried to think you could wind up with an aneurysm!





Number seven coming right up, dope.

I found the one relevant error in your opening rant.

FDR did not construct buildings in the 30's that were meant to copy Mussolini.

That is crackpottery.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[
How often must you be revealed as a lying sack of putrefaction?
.

See now according to your fantasy boyfriend TemplarKormac, by saying the above you just lost the argument,

game, set, and match, as he put it.

Step off.

Is that pidgin English for 'don't mess with my man!'?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The hagiography and Roosevelt mythology aside, the evidence from the thread is undeniable, linking FDR with Mussolini and with fascism.....except to those who make it a practice to deny any negative information about Leftists.



How about some more?

21. Former President Herbert Hoover, who developed the fascist theme to indict Roosevelt, said that the National Industry Recovery Act was too closely linked to the "fascism" that big business industrialists wanted to impose:

'Among the early Roosevelt fascist measures was the National Industry Recovery Act (NRA) of June 16, 1933 .... [these ideas] were first suggested by Gerard Swope (of the General Electric company)... They were adopted by the United States Chamber of Commerce. During the campaign of 1932, Henry I. Harriman, president of that body, urged that I agree to support these proposals, informing me that Mr. Roosevelt had agreed to do so.

I tried to show him that this stuff was sheer fascism; that it was a remaking of Mussolini's "corporate state" and refused to agree to any of it. He informed me that in view of my attitude, the business world would support Roosevelt with money and influence. That for the most part proved true.
—Hoover Memoirs 3:420


a. A different line of attack suggesting fascism came from Michael S. Sweeney, who accused Roosevelt of misusing the Office of Censorship during the war. Sweeney says Roosevelt used it to censor media coverage of his travels in order to conceal his deteriorating health and to hide visits with his former mistress, Lucy Page Mercer Rutherfurd.
Sweeney, Michael S. "Secrets of Victory: The Office of Censorship and the American Press and Radio in World War II," Pp. 274



22. From "FDR Goes To War," Folsom and Folsom
FDR’s abuse of civil rights: wiretapping for security was expanded to tap Republicans…and his wife, Eleanor!

a. The internment of 110,000 Japanese seems to have been largely political. Earl Warren of California was sensitive to his constituents resenting the large success of the Japanese in agriculture. And, interned, they couldn’t vote against FDR, and he did pick up three House seats…and after the election he began to move for the release of the Japanese.

b. FDR used war powers to censor and shut down magazines.

c. Many of his agencies were not under congressional authority…but directly controlled by the President.

 

[PoliticalChic]

According to my calculations: internet inspired paranoia plus half wit conspiracy theories divided by mindless political rhetoric times easily manipulated dumb shits equals this thread.

"...internet inspired paranoia plus half wit conspiracy theories...

Ignoring facts is what is giving your problem.....either that or the inability to process same.

I see your brain is giving you the silent treatment today.




OK....let's call you out, moron.....

I've constructed what...six panels in this thread, so far......


....find any errors in 'em.

Go ahead....find any.


But....be careful....if this is the first time you've tried to think you could wind up with an aneurysm!





Number seven coming right up, dope.

I found the one relevant error in your opening rant.

FDR did not construct buildings in the 30's that were meant to copy Mussolini.

That is crackpottery.

Nah.....it was simply an accident.

And his forgetting to complain about the symbolism of fascism.....he just forgot.




Remind me to never have you on my side of a debate.


Dunce.

 

[PoliticalChic]

See now according to your fantasy boyfriend TemplarKormac, by saying the above you just lost the argument,

game, set, and match, as he put it.

Step off.

Is that pidgin English for 'don't mess with my man!'?

Surprised you don't know the phrase....it means 'get lost.'

Surely you've heard it often enough.

 

[PoliticalChic]

it is a little scary, but then again, I am used to danger and revolting against many forms of subjugation..

I wouldn't go so far as to say you're 'revolting'.....but, they know what time you were born, because your face stopped the clock! -

.....Oh, wait- you didn't mean that kind of 'revolting'....never mind.

they had not invented clocks when I was born..

That explains the sundial on your wrist.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

The fasces is on a sculpture of George Washington that was sculpted in 1785. It is a Roman symbol of power, authority, justice, and strength, that the new government adopted, which is what this country stands for. It does not pertain to individualism, but the country as a whole. We are a strong country.

And your point is...what?

That it was not resurrected as a modernRoman Empire by Mussolini and the Fascists, and has become a symbol of fascism?

Let's give you a bit of history that you seem to have missed.


1. Sometime after the First World War, the Babylon-Armageddon made its way into political theory. Each version had a people of God, under attack. There was the proletariat for the Bolsheviks and Stalinists; the children of the Roman wolf for Mussolini’s Fascists; the Warriors of Christ the King for Franco’s Phalange, and the Aryan race for the Nazis.


2. Mussolini incorporated the ideas of Georges Sorel’s syndicalism to create his brand of fascism.

a. Syndicalism is similar to socialism but included violent, direction action.

b. Syndicalists believed in rule by revolutionary trade unions, from the French word ‘syndicat.’ The Italian word ‘fascio’ means bundle, but was commonly used as a synonym for unions.

c. Syndicalism proposed that society could be divided by professional sectors of the economy; this idea influenced FDR’s New Deal.

Hold it there now Chica! I've been reading your pseudo intellectual claptrap all through this thread. You got sum splain' to do!

1. Syndicalism is an ECONOMIC system NOT a POLITICAL system.

2. FDR was not a syndicalist.

3. FDR was not a fascist.

4. FDR was a dyed in the wool socialist, your BS notwithstanding!

5. If you or others want an example of a President who had actual fascist leanings, look no further than Bush 43...examples follow!

6. Look up the theory of the "Unitary Presidency", read it and understand it!

7. Read Bush 43's signing statements and see how often he referenced and evoked his powers under the crackpot theory of a unitary presidency!

8. Read and understand the National Security Presidential Directive #51 (NSPD 51) Bush 43 signed in May 2007 giving the President the powers of a dictator!

9. #6, 7 & 8 should be enough to disclose the true political bent of the Bush 43 administrations when viewed through the prism of the surge of Nationalism cheered on with the prompts of the National Guv'ment post 9/11.

10. Your thinly veiled partisanship of this thread is nothing but an attempt to discredit the faction you and your ilk hold in unhealthy contempt, and trying to link the misguided FDR to fascism is beyond the pale.


Ya gonna Splain' or Refrain?

 

[PoliticalChic]

22. The Fascism of the FDR era, the 30’s, was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later.

The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.

American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.


Of course, today’s denials should remind one of Huey Long’s dictum: “When America gets Fascism it will call it anti-Fascism.”






Waldo Frank’s analysis in 1934:

"The NRA is the beginning of American Fascism. But unlike Italy and Germany, democratic parliamentarianism has for generations been strong in the Anglo-Saxon world; it is a tribal institution. Therefore, a Fascism that disposes of it, rather than sharpens and exploits it, is not to be expected in North America or Britain.

Fascism may be so gradual in the United States that most voters will not be aware of its existence.

The true Fascist leaders will not be present imitators of German Fuhrer and Italian condottieri, prancing in silver shirts. They will be judicious, black-frocked gentlemen; graduates of the best universities; disciples of Nicholas Murray Butler and Walter Lippmann."
Liberal Fascism | National Review Online




“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself”...and fascism.

 

[Siete]

The fasces is on a sculpture of George Washington that was sculpted in 1785. It is a Roman symbol of power, authority, justice, and strength, that the new government adopted, which is what this country stands for. It does not pertain to individualism, but the country as a whole. We are a strong country.

And your point is...what?

That it was not resurrected as a modernRoman Empire by Mussolini and the Fascists, and has become a symbol of fascism?

Let's give you a bit of history that you seem to have missed.


1. Sometime after the First World War, the Babylon-Armageddon made its way into political theory. Each version had a people of God, under attack. There was the proletariat for the Bolsheviks and Stalinists; the children of the Roman wolf for Mussolini’s Fascists; the Warriors of Christ the King for Franco’s Phalange, and the Aryan race for the Nazis.


2. Mussolini incorporated the ideas of Georges Sorel’s syndicalism to create his brand of fascism.

a. Syndicalism is similar to socialism but included violent, direction action.

b. Syndicalists believed in rule by revolutionary trade unions, from the French word ‘syndicat.’ The Italian word ‘fascio’ means bundle, but was commonly used as a synonym for unions.

c. Syndicalism proposed that society could be divided by professional sectors of the economy; this idea influenced FDR’s New Deal.

Hold it there now Chica! I've been reading your pseudo intellectual claptrap all through this thread. You got sum splain' to do!

1. Syndicalism is an ECONOMIC system NOT a POLITICAL system.

2. FDR was not a syndicalist.

3. FDR was not a fascist.

4. FDR was a dyed in the wool socialist, your BS notwithstanding!

5. If you or others want an example of a President who had actual fascist leanings, look no further than Bush 43...examples follow!

6. Look up the theory of the "Unitary Presidency", read it and understand it!

7. Read Bush 43's signing statements and see how often he referenced and evoked his powers under the crackpot theory of a unitary presidency!

8. Read and understand the National Security Presidential Directive #51 (NSPD 51) Bush 43 signed in May 2007 giving the President the powers of a dictator!

9. #6, 7 & 8 should be enough to disclose the true political bent of the Bush 43 administrations when viewed through the prism of the surge of Nationalism cheered on with the prompts of the National Guv'ment post 9/11.

10. Your thinly veiled partisanship of this thread is nothing but an attempt to discredit the faction you and your ilk hold in unhealthy contempt, and trying to link the misguided FDR to fascism is beyond the pale.


Ya gonna Splain' or Refrain?

PC tried to confuse the issue with spin under the guise of history, and failed miserably at both. She is a champion of talking points void of facts.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Do the Liberals in this this thread know that they lave a Local Government?

A Local Government that they've already paid for and can solve many of the problems that arise in their town WITHOUT Federal Interference?

Do the Liberals in this thread even know WHERE their seat of local government IS and visited it even ONCE?

Why do they keep inviting and expecting the f*ckin' Feds to get involved all the time?

You don't seem to know what the topic of this thread is.

The topic of this thread is the mentally retarded contention that FDR was a fascist because some federal buildings built in the 1930's used the fasces symbols as part of their outward design.

Discuss that if you want to be on topic.

In fairness to you it may have become confusing as to what the actual subject of this thread was since even the author of it has long since fled from its original stupidity.

True.

The premise of the thread also fails as a post hoc fallacy. Conservatives are infamous for contriving bizarre and wrong conclusions from all manner of information.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do the Liberals in this this thread know that they lave a Local Government?

A Local Government that they've already paid for and can solve many of the problems that arise in their town WITHOUT Federal Interference?

Do the Liberals in this thread even know WHERE their seat of local government IS and visited it even ONCE?

Why do they keep inviting and expecting the f*ckin' Feds to get involved all the time?

You don't seem to know what the topic of this thread is.

The topic of this thread is the mentally retarded contention that FDR was a fascist because some federal buildings built in the 1930's used the fasces symbols as part of their outward design.

Discuss that if you want to be on topic.

In fairness to you it may have become confusing as to what the actual subject of this thread was since even the author of it has long since fled from its original stupidity.

True.

The premise of the thread also fails as a post hoc fallacy. Conservatives are infamous for contriving bizarre and wrong conclusions from all manner of information.

And it's amusing to see them plow forward with oblivious determination, even after they've been proven wrong.

Rightwingers have more in common with cults than FDR had in common with Mussolini.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Does the effort to demonize President Roosevelt, eighty some years after the fact, strike anyone as,

if nothing else,

a bit untimely? PoliticalChic has that wife-in-a-bad-marriage quality, you know, how the old lady wants to start arguments with you about shit that happened years ago...

Give. it. a. rest. Go watch your stories or something...

 

[bripat9643]

Do the Liberals in this this thread know that they lave a Local Government?

A Local Government that they've already paid for and can solve many of the problems that arise in their town WITHOUT Federal Interference?

Do the Liberals in this thread even know WHERE their seat of local government IS and visited it even ONCE?

Why do they keep inviting and expecting the f*ckin' Feds to get involved all the time?

You don't seem to know what the topic of this thread is.

The topic of this thread is the mentally retarded contention that FDR was a fascist because some federal buildings built in the 1930's used the fasces symbols as part of their outward design.

Discuss that if you want to be on topic.

In fairness to you it may have become confusing as to what the actual subject of this thread was since even the author of it has long since fled from its original stupidity.

True.

The premise of the thread also fails as a post hoc fallacy. Conservatives are infamous for contriving bizarre and wrong conclusions from all manner of information.

Almost every dumbass liberal theory is based on the fallacy of post hoc, ergo propter hoc, so if you're going to go down that road then you'll have to reject virtually everything you believe.

 

[bripat9643]

Does the effort to demonize President Roosevelt, eighty some years after the fact, strike anyone as,

if nothing else,

a bit untimely? PoliticalChic has that wife-in-a-bad-marriage quality, you know, how the old lady wants to start arguments with you about shit that happened years ago...

Give. it. a. rest. Go watch your stories or something...

There were plenty of people who despised Roosevelt while he was in often. If you don't believe it, then you should read anything that H.L. Mencken had to say about him. After the war he became virtually a god, so it was difficult to make any of your ilk see the truth about him. It's only now that scholars have started seriously examining his record rather than engage in pure worship.

 

[bripat9643]

You don't seem to know what the topic of this thread is.

The topic of this thread is the mentally retarded contention that FDR was a fascist because some federal buildings built in the 1930's used the fasces symbols as part of their outward design.

Discuss that if you want to be on topic.

In fairness to you it may have become confusing as to what the actual subject of this thread was since even the author of it has long since fled from its original stupidity.

True.

The premise of the thread also fails as a post hoc fallacy. Conservatives are infamous for contriving bizarre and wrong conclusions from all manner of information.

And it's amusing to see them plow forward with oblivious determination, even after they've been proven wrong.

Rightwingers have more in common with cults than FDR had in common with Mussolini.

Really? Then why have you been studiously avoiding my posts on the subject? I even quoted the abstract from a paper published by a Yale professor on the subject. So far you haven't bothered to comment.

 

[bripat9643]

19. ".... it means the Pentagon and Department of Homeland Security equip even the tiniest rural police departments with massive military vehicles, body armor and grenade launchers. The equipment is surplus from the long wars we fought in Iraq and Afghanistan.

..... SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) teams were once used only in emergencies such as riots or robberies where hostages were taken. But today there are more than 50,000 "no-knock raids" a year.
It's not because crime got worse. There is less crime today.

Government always grows, and government is force. Force is always dangerous."
Policing America - John Stossel - Page full






20. "HOMELAND SECURITY, FEDS SWARM SMALL TOWN IN BIZARRE UNANNOUNCED SHOW OF FORCE
Homeland Security agents, backed by police SWAT teams, armored vehicles and a Black Hawk helicopter staged a bizarre unannounced show of force in front of a school in a small Illinois town, scenes which will exacerbate concerns about the increasing militarization of U.S. law enforcement.
KTVI labeled the presence of the feds a “mystery,” although it subsequently emerged that the school was being used as a staging ground for a raid on a house three miles away. Authorities refused to divulge the purpose behind the raid or if anyone was taken into custody.

The sheer number of feds present, in addition to multiple armored vehicles, military-style choppers and other vehicles, in order to conduct a raid on a single house clearly suggests overkill and will prompt more concerns as to the increasing militarization of U.S. law enforcement.

A recent ACLU investigation into the issue decried the fact that American neighborhoods are turning into warzones as SWAT tactics become more brutal, causing an increase in deaths, injuries and property damage.

Back in May, Indiana Police Sergeant Dan Downing admitted that the militarization of domestic law enforcement was partly to deal with returning veterans who are now seen as a homegrown terror threat. A local Fox affiliate reported that the cops were now “armed for war” against such threats.
» Homeland Security, Feds Swarm Small Town in Bizarre Unannounced Show of Force Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!



Does something smell like......fascism?

Really? I detect the overpowering stench of conspiracy theory nut job.

I detect the mutterings of a retard who doesn't realize how thoroughly brainwashed he is.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Does the effort to demonize President Roosevelt, eighty some years after the fact, strike anyone as,

if nothing else,

a bit untimely? PoliticalChic has that wife-in-a-bad-marriage quality, you know, how the old lady wants to start arguments with you about shit that happened years ago...

Give. it. a. rest. Go watch your stories or something...

Yes.

As well as ridiculous and obsessive.

The OP is obviously the typical ignorant reactionary paleocon seeking – and failing – to undermine the success that was the New Deal, in addition to settled and accepted post-Lochner Commerce Clause jurisprudence.

The OP and those of her ilk need to accept the fact that this is no longer the 19th Century, that the 'liberty to contract' is an irrelevant anachronism, and that the world is far too complex a place today for the simplistic and naïve dogma of the nostalgic right.