Fascism

[Divine Wind]

Oh fucking BULLSHIT. That was never anything more than a puerile attempt to derail the thread by harping on the shiny object of a URL......

The fact remains you are an alt-Left Liberal who used an alt-Right antisemitic website to prove your point that Trump is a fascist. Wrong on all counts. Have a really nice day!

 

[Coyote]

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

Umberto Eco
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[11] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

• "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
• "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
• "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
• "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
• "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
• "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
• "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
• Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
• "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
• "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
• "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
• "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
• "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
• "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Sound familiar....?

Opening in theatres near you January 20th, 2017.

What evidence does he provide that these are the characteristics of fascism?

Umberto Eco was a well known communist, BTW. All his claims about fascism need to be understood in that light.

How does his being a communist make his work any less valid than say a capitalist?

Communists are all liars, for one thing. His work is has no visible means of support. It has no facts or logic behind it. It's merely a list of his leftwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a leftist.

Kind of like your definitions of socialism is a list of your rightwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a rightist?

Eco seems to have some pretty good academic credentials with a degree in Philosophy which kind of goes along with understanding political ideologies. He also grew up under Mussolini's regime and describes fascism quite well.

He points out that defining fascism is somewhat fuzzy, which is also pointed out in the Encyclopedia Britannica. But both Eco and the Encyclopedia on some of the main points.

 

[Coyote]

You cannot change the definition of fascist, It describes liberal leftist dimocrats EXACTLY. The current occupant, and the bitchqueen also are exact matches for the REAL definition of fascist. BOOHOOO BOOGER EATING HOO. You have been schooled but I know you are too shallow egotistical and immature to realize it because that describes liberals too.

Trying to turn fascism into a leftist ideology is the rightwingnut's Holy Grail.

 

[westwall]

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

Umberto Eco
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[11] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

• "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
• "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
• "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
• "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
• "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
• "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
• "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
• Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
• "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
• "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
• "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
• "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
• "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
• "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Sound familiar....?

Opening in theatres near you January 20th, 2017.

Every one of those "characteristics" fits progressive, communist, socialist and religious theocracies as well. That's the problem with the list, it is so non specific, and general, as to be useless other than showing that pretty much all collectivist government systems suck in some manner or other.

 

[owebo]

You cannot change the definition of fascist, It describes liberal leftist dimocrats EXACTLY. The current occupant, and the bitchqueen also are exact matches for the REAL definition of fascist. BOOHOOO BOOGER EATING HOO. You have been schooled but I know you are too shallow egotistical and immature to realize it because that describes liberals too.

Trying to turn fascism into a leftist ideology is the rightwingnut's Holy Grail.

It's really quite,simple....which is why you LWNJs try to complicate it in order to hide from the facts....

 

[bripat9643]

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

Umberto Eco
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[11] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

• "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
• "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
• "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
• "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
• "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
• "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
• "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
• Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
• "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
• "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
• "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
• "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
• "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
• "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Sound familiar....?

Opening in theatres near you January 20th, 2017.

What evidence does he provide that these are the characteristics of fascism?

Umberto Eco was a well known communist, BTW. All his claims about fascism need to be understood in that light.

How does his being a communist make his work any less valid than say a capitalist?

Communists are all liars, for one thing. His work is has no visible means of support. It has no facts or logic behind it. It's merely a list of his leftwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a leftist.

Kind of like your definitions of socialism is a list of your rightwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a rightist?

Eco seems to have some pretty good academic credentials with a degree in Philosophy which kind of goes along with understanding political ideologies. He also grew up under Mussolini's regime and describes fascism quite well.

He points out that defining fascism is somewhat fuzzy, which is also pointed out in the Encyclopedia Britannica. But both Eco and the Encyclopedia on some of the main points.

Nope, my definition of socialism is the economic definition. It's devoid of emotion or prejudice of any kind. In functional terms, socialism is government control of the economy. Any claims to the contrary are easily proven to be bogus propaganda.

The fact that he grew up in fascist Italy proves nothing about his understanding of fascism. If you grow up in Alamogordo, does that mean you know how to build an atom bomb?

He "points out" that the his definition of fascism is "fuzzy" because he knows it's bullshit. The Encyclopedia Britannica is also full of shit.

 

[Coyote]

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

Umberto Eco
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[11] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

• "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
• "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
• "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
• "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
• "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
• "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
• "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
• Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
• "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
• "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
• "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
• "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
• "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
• "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Sound familiar....?

Opening in theatres near you January 20th, 2017.

What evidence does he provide that these are the characteristics of fascism?

Umberto Eco was a well known communist, BTW. All his claims about fascism need to be understood in that light.

How does his being a communist make his work any less valid than say a capitalist?

Communists are all liars, for one thing. His work is has no visible means of support. It has no facts or logic behind it. It's merely a list of his leftwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a leftist.

Kind of like your definitions of socialism is a list of your rightwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a rightist?

Eco seems to have some pretty good academic credentials with a degree in Philosophy which kind of goes along with understanding political ideologies. He also grew up under Mussolini's regime and describes fascism quite well.

He points out that defining fascism is somewhat fuzzy, which is also pointed out in the Encyclopedia Britannica. But both Eco and the Encyclopedia on some of the main points.

Nope, my definition of socialism is the economic definition. It's devoid of emotion or prejudice of any kind. In functional terms, socialism is government control of the economy. Any claims to the contrary are easily proven to be bogus propaganda.

The fact that he grew up in fascist Italy proves nothing about his understanding of fascism. If you grow up in Alamogordo, does that mean you know how to build an atom bomb?

He "points out" that the his definition of fascism is "fuzzy" because he knows it's bullshit. The Encyclopedia Britannica is also full of shit.

So any definition that disagree's with yours is "bullshit" regardless of it's origins?

Socialism:
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[12] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

 

[Coyote]

You cannot change the definition of fascist, It describes liberal leftist dimocrats EXACTLY. The current occupant, and the bitchqueen also are exact matches for the REAL definition of fascist. BOOHOOO BOOGER EATING HOO. You have been schooled but I know you are too shallow egotistical and immature to realize it because that describes liberals too.

Trying to turn fascism into a leftist ideology is the rightwingnut's Holy Grail.

It's really quite,simple....which is why you LWNJs try to complicate it in order to hide from the facts....

Like I said, it's your Holy Grail. You can't man up and own that extremist rightwing ideologies are just as icky as extremist leftwing ideologies. In fact...they resemble each other far more than their moderate counterparts.

 

[owebo]

You cannot change the definition of fascist, It describes liberal leftist dimocrats EXACTLY. The current occupant, and the bitchqueen also are exact matches for the REAL definition of fascist. BOOHOOO BOOGER EATING HOO. You have been schooled but I know you are too shallow egotistical and immature to realize it because that describes liberals too.

Trying to turn fascism into a leftist ideology is the rightwingnut's Holy Grail.

It's really quite,simple....which is why you LWNJs try to complicate it in order to hide from the facts....

Like I said, it's your Holy Grail. You can't man up and own that extremist rightwing ideologies are just as icky as extremist leftwing ideologies. In fact...they resemble each other far more than their moderate counterparts.

We know where you stand....sadly...

 

[Coyote]

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

Umberto Eco
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[11] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

• "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
• "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
• "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
• "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
• "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
• "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
• "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
• Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
• "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
• "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
• "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
• "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
• "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
• "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Sound familiar....?

Opening in theatres near you January 20th, 2017.

Every one of those "characteristics" fits progressive, communist, socialist and religious theocracies as well. That's the problem with the list, it is so non specific, and general, as to be useless other than showing that pretty much all collectivist government systems suck in some manner or other.

I think, beyond anarchy - every government system is collective to a degree - both right and left. What happens - in all these ideologies is that at their extremes they become authoritarian and authoritarian regimes resemble each other pretty closely.

 

[Coyote]

You cannot change the definition of fascist, It describes liberal leftist dimocrats EXACTLY. The current occupant, and the bitchqueen also are exact matches for the REAL definition of fascist. BOOHOOO BOOGER EATING HOO. You have been schooled but I know you are too shallow egotistical and immature to realize it because that describes liberals too.

Trying to turn fascism into a leftist ideology is the rightwingnut's Holy Grail.

It's really quite,simple....which is why you LWNJs try to complicate it in order to hide from the facts....

Like I said, it's your Holy Grail. You can't man up and own that extremist rightwing ideologies are just as icky as extremist leftwing ideologies. In fact...they resemble each other far more than their moderate counterparts.

We know where you stand....sadly...

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I can find pretty pictures too

 

[owebo]

You cannot change the definition of fascist, It describes liberal leftist dimocrats EXACTLY. The current occupant, and the bitchqueen also are exact matches for the REAL definition of fascist. BOOHOOO BOOGER EATING HOO. You have been schooled but I know you are too shallow egotistical and immature to realize it because that describes liberals too.

Trying to turn fascism into a leftist ideology is the rightwingnut's Holy Grail.

It's really quite,simple....which is why you LWNJs try to complicate it in order to hide from the facts....

Like I said, it's your Holy Grail. You can't man up and own that extremist rightwing ideologies are just as icky as extremist leftwing ideologies. In fact...they resemble each other far more than their moderate counterparts.

We know where you stand....sadly...

View attachment 104552

I can find pretty pictures too

Except,that makes no sense....and sadly, you know it and just want to hide....

 

[Coyote]

Trying to turn fascism into a leftist ideology is the rightwingnut's Holy Grail.

It's really quite,simple....which is why you LWNJs try to complicate it in order to hide from the facts....

Like I said, it's your Holy Grail. You can't man up and own that extremist rightwing ideologies are just as icky as extremist leftwing ideologies. In fact...they resemble each other far more than their moderate counterparts.

We know where you stand....sadly...

View attachment 104552

I can find pretty pictures too

Except,that makes no sense....and sadly, you know it and just want to hide....

Makes a lot more sense then yours - authoritarian/totalitarian at the extremes. Of course that's assuming you're going with a linear view of ideologies. I don't think those are as accurate.

 

[Contumacious]

Please review the following two links on fascism and what we have observed since the election of Donald Trump to the office of POTUS.


Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Donald Trump and the 14 signs of Fascism • /r/politics

Consider the promises made by Mr. Trump during the time before he received the nomination of the Republican Party, his rhetoric before his election after being nominated, and his rhetoric since being elected to POTUS?

I agree that Trump is a fascist.


But Hillary was far worse,

I had to choose the lesser of evils in 2016.

Fascism affects us by degrees - someone who is a 90% fascist is close to socialism

In contrast , someone who is only 20% fascist is closer to Capitalism.


And so it goes.

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[bripat9643]

What evidence does he provide that these are the characteristics of fascism?

Umberto Eco was a well known communist, BTW. All his claims about fascism need to be understood in that light.

How does his being a communist make his work any less valid than say a capitalist?

Communists are all liars, for one thing. His work is has no visible means of support. It has no facts or logic behind it. It's merely a list of his leftwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a leftist.

Kind of like your definitions of socialism is a list of your rightwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a rightist?

Eco seems to have some pretty good academic credentials with a degree in Philosophy which kind of goes along with understanding political ideologies. He also grew up under Mussolini's regime and describes fascism quite well.

He points out that defining fascism is somewhat fuzzy, which is also pointed out in the Encyclopedia Britannica. But both Eco and the Encyclopedia on some of the main points.

Nope, my definition of socialism is the economic definition. It's devoid of emotion or prejudice of any kind. In functional terms, socialism is government control of the economy. Any claims to the contrary are easily proven to be bogus propaganda.

The fact that he grew up in fascist Italy proves nothing about his understanding of fascism. If you grow up in Alamogordo, does that mean you know how to build an atom bomb?

He "points out" that the his definition of fascism is "fuzzy" because he knows it's bullshit. The Encyclopedia Britannica is also full of shit.

So any definition that disagree's with yours is "bullshit" regardless of it's origins?

Socialism:
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[12] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

Yeah, that's pretty much correct. There is no requirement for democracy to make a system socialist. That's a recent addition after the Soviet Union embarrassed all socialists with it's existence. And the rest of the definition is equally wrong. Not all forms of "collective ownership" are socialist. Corporations are based on collective ownership, but not even you would call them socialist. Socialism is always based on coercion. If people are free to flout the rules and commands of the socialist authorities, then socialism becomes a joke.

Anyone who claims there are multiple definitions of a term is simply admitting that he doesn't know what a definition is.

 

[owebo]

It's really quite,simple....which is why you LWNJs try to complicate it in order to hide from the facts....

Like I said, it's your Holy Grail. You can't man up and own that extremist rightwing ideologies are just as icky as extremist leftwing ideologies. In fact...they resemble each other far more than their moderate counterparts.

We know where you stand....sadly...

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Except,that makes no sense....and sadly, you know it and just want to hide....

Makes a lot more sense then yours - authoritarian/totalitarian at the extremes. Of course that's assuming you're going with a linear view of ideologies. I don't think those are as accurate.

Right, because everyone knows hitler was a small government rugged individualist....

Seriously, you're fucking incapable of understanding....just keep listening to the liberal fascists who tell you what to think.....

 

[Coyote]

How does his being a communist make his work any less valid than say a capitalist?

Communists are all liars, for one thing. His work is has no visible means of support. It has no facts or logic behind it. It's merely a list of his leftwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a leftist.

Kind of like your definitions of socialism is a list of your rightwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a rightist?

Eco seems to have some pretty good academic credentials with a degree in Philosophy which kind of goes along with understanding political ideologies. He also grew up under Mussolini's regime and describes fascism quite well.

He points out that defining fascism is somewhat fuzzy, which is also pointed out in the Encyclopedia Britannica. But both Eco and the Encyclopedia on some of the main points.

Nope, my definition of socialism is the economic definition. It's devoid of emotion or prejudice of any kind. In functional terms, socialism is government control of the economy. Any claims to the contrary are easily proven to be bogus propaganda.

The fact that he grew up in fascist Italy proves nothing about his understanding of fascism. If you grow up in Alamogordo, does that mean you know how to build an atom bomb?

He "points out" that the his definition of fascism is "fuzzy" because he knows it's bullshit. The Encyclopedia Britannica is also full of shit.

So any definition that disagree's with yours is "bullshit" regardless of it's origins?

Socialism:
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[12] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

Yeah, that's pretty much correct. There is no requirement for democracy to make a system socialist. That's a recent addition after the Soviet Union embarrassed all socialists with it's existence. And the rest of the definition is equally wrong. Not all forms of "collective ownership" are socialist. Corporations are based on collective ownership, but not even you would call them socialist. Socialism is always based on coercion. If people are free to flout the rules and commands of the socialist authorities, then socialism becomes a joke.

Anyone who claims there are multiple definitions of a term is simply admitting that he doesn't know what a definition is.

No one said that all forms of collective ownership are socialist. What they said is it's one of the defining characteristics of socialism. Socialism is not always based on coercion. Take for example the "socialistic" kibbutz movement in Israel. If people did not want to follow the community rules, they were free to leave. Like Fascism, there are multiple definitions - as the wikipedia article said: Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.

 

[Coyote]

Like I said, it's your Holy Grail. You can't man up and own that extremist rightwing ideologies are just as icky as extremist leftwing ideologies. In fact...they resemble each other far more than their moderate counterparts.

We know where you stand....sadly...

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I can find pretty pictures too

Except,that makes no sense....and sadly, you know it and just want to hide....

Makes a lot more sense then yours - authoritarian/totalitarian at the extremes. Of course that's assuming you're going with a linear view of ideologies. I don't think those are as accurate.

Right, because everyone knows hitler was a small government rugged individualist....

Seriously, you're fucking incapable of understanding....just keep listening to the liberal fascists who tell you what to think.....

Rightwing isn't just "small government" or "rugged individualist". That's a very American rightwing. It's also somewhat hypocritical since "rugged individualist" means only "rugged individuals" who adhere to traditional values.

 

[owebo]

Communists are all liars, for one thing. His work is has no visible means of support. It has no facts or logic behind it. It's merely a list of his leftwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a leftist.

Kind of like your definitions of socialism is a list of your rightwing prejudices about anyone who isn't a rightist?

Eco seems to have some pretty good academic credentials with a degree in Philosophy which kind of goes along with understanding political ideologies. He also grew up under Mussolini's regime and describes fascism quite well.

He points out that defining fascism is somewhat fuzzy, which is also pointed out in the Encyclopedia Britannica. But both Eco and the Encyclopedia on some of the main points.

Nope, my definition of socialism is the economic definition. It's devoid of emotion or prejudice of any kind. In functional terms, socialism is government control of the economy. Any claims to the contrary are easily proven to be bogus propaganda.

The fact that he grew up in fascist Italy proves nothing about his understanding of fascism. If you grow up in Alamogordo, does that mean you know how to build an atom bomb?

He "points out" that the his definition of fascism is "fuzzy" because he knows it's bullshit. The Encyclopedia Britannica is also full of shit.

So any definition that disagree's with yours is "bullshit" regardless of it's origins?

Socialism:
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[12] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

Yeah, that's pretty much correct. There is no requirement for democracy to make a system socialist. That's a recent addition after the Soviet Union embarrassed all socialists with it's existence. And the rest of the definition is equally wrong. Not all forms of "collective ownership" are socialist. Corporations are based on collective ownership, but not even you would call them socialist. Socialism is always based on coercion. If people are free to flout the rules and commands of the socialist authorities, then socialism becomes a joke.

Anyone who claims there are multiple definitions of a term is simply admitting that he doesn't know what a definition is.

No one said that all forms of collective ownership are socialist. What they said is it's one of the defining characteristics of socialism. Socialism is not always based on coercion. Take for example the "socialistic" kibbutz movement in Israel. If people did not want to follow the community rules, they were free to leave. Like Fascism, there are multiple definitions - as the wikipedia article said: Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.

I like your rugged individualist definition of fascism the best of any of the liberals deflections so far .....

 

[owebo]

We know where you stand....sadly...

View attachment 104552

I can find pretty pictures too

Except,that makes no sense....and sadly, you know it and just want to hide....

Makes a lot more sense then yours - authoritarian/totalitarian at the extremes. Of course that's assuming you're going with a linear view of ideologies. I don't think those are as accurate.

Right, because everyone knows hitler was a small government rugged individualist....

Seriously, you're fucking incapable of understanding....just keep listening to the liberal fascists who tell you what to think.....

Rightwing isn't just "small government" or "rugged individualist". That's a very American rightwing. It's also somewhat hypocritical since "rugged individualist" means only "rugged individuals" who adhere to traditional values.

Your Post #111 says differently you clueless liberal tool....