ThunderKiss1965
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And there it is. The ultimate goal of keeping firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Gun control doesn't affect criminals.Seems we have to do something about Handguns
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And there it is. The ultimate goal of keeping firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Gun control doesn't affect criminals.Seems we have to do something about Handguns
Correct because there were no mentally ill people during the adoption of our constitution or any thereafter. We only had mentally ill people around the past couple of decades.
I'm guessing they were smarter back then and kept guns away from mentally ill people.
None of the 50 states currently have any type of psych evaluation mandated by law in order to purchase a firearm. I guess what you mean is you think whoever sells the gun to the mentally ill person is capable of making a mental evaluation and because of his good nature will turn down the cash if he thinks somebody is a little koo koo.
Wait a minute. If he had to shoot her to gain access to her weapons, what did he use to shoot her with?
Democrats go after 'assault weapons' because they know they can put out enough lies to scare the ignorant into agreeing with them.
We see that on this board every time the issue comes up.
Adam Lanza's mom was found with 4 gunshot wounds to the head, dipshit. Where did he get that shotgun from?Where did I state he shot her?
Wrong. Under federal law, a person can be tallied in a database and barred from purchasing or possessing a firearm due to a mental illness under two conditions: if he is involuntarily committed to a mental hospital, or if a court or government body declares him mentally incompetent. It requires a bit more than a mental health worker simply reporting they think someone is mentally ill.What I said is that mental health workers can report serious cases of illness to the authorities and they will put that individual on the Do Not Sell list just like a felon.
Yeah we want to improve American society. And we are constantly finding ways to do it. LOL thinking the last improvement in the United States ever should be taking away your precious leaded gasoline.So called assault weapons are just the first stepping stone in their long journey to disarm Americans of all firearms. If you can get away with something once or twice, why not all the time?
I remember years ago when they wanted gays to be able to be out of the closet. That's all they wanted, gays out of the closet and they would be happy.
I remember when they wanted to ban smoking in movie theaters. That's all they wanted, bans in movie theaters, and they would be happy with that.
I remember when all they wanted was lead out of gasoline. That's all they wanted to make them happy, lead out of gasoline.
Fast forward to today and we clearly see that's not all they wanted, it's only where they wanted to start. So when a anti-gun creep comes along and says all they want is an assault weapons ban, and they will be happy, all we have to do is look at the lefts history.
Do we have the stat’s on how many of those guns were bought legally and used by the legal owner to commit said murder? It would be relatively useless to make all hand guns illegal if the people committing these crimes are using illegal guns already wouldnt they just keep using illegally owned guns to keep committing the murders?
Yeah we want to improve American society. And we are constantly finding ways to do it. LOL thinking the last improvement in the United States ever should be taking away your precious leaded gasoline.
It's pretty obvious you want to destroy America. You actually think there are going to be more people in the future that think like you? You're delusional. You're a soon to be extinct dinosaur. History will laugh at you.
Wrong. Under federal law, a person can be tallied in a database and barred from purchasing or possessing a firearm due to a mental illness under two conditions: if he is involuntarily committed to a mental hospital, or if a court or government body declares him mentally incompetent. It requires a bit more than a mental health worker simply reporting they think someone is mentally ill.
Yet private gun ownership in Japan is virtually non-existent. You said democrats, who are liberal, are violent people. Y Yet there is a very low rate of violence in Japan in general, and gun violence is pretty much non-existent, yet they still have liberals over there and dont feel the need to have gun protection against liberals. And you said the liberals in Japan are just as dangerous as the left wingers here. Yet Japan has pretty much gotten rid of guns and they seem to be doing ok.
So what are we to take from this? Well it could mean a few things. First off, it could be that you are lying. Or I guess it could mean you are delusional. Or I guess there is a chance you are just a really scared person. Or it could mean that not having guns around leads to less violence in general. But it's probably a combination of all 4.
Like I said, dumbass, why dont we determine if they are mentally ill BEFORE they purchase a gun. If someone is mentally ill they are mentally ill whether they buy a gun or not.
You are actually comparing a literacy test and poll taxes to a psychological test for gun ownership? We just both agreed that mentally ill people should not own a gun. I never said illiterate people shouldnt be allowed to vote.
I guess according to you mental illness and gun ownership only becomes a fact AFTER they do something nuts with a gun. There is a reason the military gives a rudimentary psych evaluation for people entering the Armed Services BEFORE being able to handle a weapon.
Adam Lanza's mom was found with 4 gunshot wounds to the head, dipshit. Where did he get that shotgun from?
Wrong. Under federal law, a person can be tallied in a database and barred from purchasing or possessing a firearm due to a mental illness under two conditions: if he is involuntarily committed to a mental hospital, or if a court or government body declares him mentally incompetent. It requires a bit more than a mental health worker simply reporting they think someone is mentally ill.
Do we have the stat’s on how many of those guns were bought legally and used by the legal owner to commit said murder? It would be relatively useless to make all hand guns illegal if the people committing these crimes are using illegal guns already wouldnt they just keep using illegally owned guns to keep committing the murders?
They have a conformist society and are more than happy to have a police state....Americans wouldn't put up with the police powers they have.
Moron.......for 27 years Americans bought and carried more and more guns....our gun crime rate went down 75%, our gun murder rate went down 49%...
The difference between Japan and the U.S. is simple...in Japan, if you are arrested for a crime, you are going to jail for a long time......in America, the democrat party judges, prosecutors are going to let you out, even for using guns and shooting people....
Big difference...
IN the U.S....felons, caught with guns are released over and over again, even when they are suspects in multiple shootings...
In Japan?
Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols
Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.
“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life.
That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”
The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.
Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.
Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.
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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”
The justice system in Japan punishes criminals.....they don't release them...
In fact, the Japanese submission to authority is very left wing.....as you can see here in the U.S. with submission to the government by leftists...
Japan: Gun Control and People Control
Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.
Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates.
Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority.
Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.
The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.
Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.
Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.
Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.
For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.
In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.
The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.
The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.
15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."
The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."
Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."
The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.
Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.
Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.
Either way? lol. No the way you were explaining it you were lying, thinking I wouldnt know the difference. You just dont have the guts to admit it. I actually took 30 seconds to look up the Federal Law, dummy. Which you could have done instead of making things up out of thin air.In either case it demonstrates that we do ban people with serious mental issues from gun ownership. The gun he used was purchased by her for her son which was a stupid move that cost her life. In any case, the point stands that we do not allow legal sales of firearms to those determined to be mentally incompetent people. Can somebody buy a firearm for them? Yes they can. They are called straw purchasers and not enough penalty for those that buy guns for people not allowed to own firearms.
These people on the left always try to compare apples to oranges. What works someplace else may not work here and vice versa.
In our country Asians are the least problem when it comes to crime, especially violent crime. It's a culture that has been handed down from generation to generation. They were born here, raised here, Americans with the same access to guns as any other American, yet very little crime outside of some gang activity. Most become productive citizens and enter professional fields.
What they don't get is it's not the guns that are the problem, it's the kind of people; it's our penal system that allows them to get away with the crime they do until they commit a crime so serious we lock them away for 20 or 30 years, which of course by then it's too late.
Another thing they wish to ignore is how crime is proportional to single-parent households. Asian Americans have the highest percentage of two-parent homes in the entire country.
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You are a dumb piece of shit. As of now 1 out of every 11 prison sentences in the US is a life sentence. There are only 3 countries in the world that have not ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child....Somalia, Sudan, and the United States. Currently there are 2,594 juveniles in the US serving life terms without the possibility of parole. The entire rest of the worlds total? ZERO. Let that sink in.The difference between Japan and the U.S. is simple...in Japan, if you are arrested for a crime, you are going to jail for a long time......in America, the democrat party judges, prosecutors are going to let you out, even for using guns and shooting people....