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FEC President Declares "This Election Is ILLEGITIMATE"

We already have more than enough evidence to nullify this election. By December they'll be ready to tar and feather the cheaters and the media that have enabled them.
We dont need to have the election nullified, we just need a real hand audit of the ballots and throw out the ones with:
1) no signatue
2) No ID
3) Came in too late
4) the Voter is DEAD
5) the Voter no longer lives in the state
6) the ballots were counted int he middle of the night without any observers present
7) where the law requires observers from both parties and there were no Republicans, throw them out too.

And Trump wins and the stinky ass Dimocrap whores lose.
Good solution. Count me in.
 
This was written 3 days ago and already posted who knows how many times. You are repetitive and very late to the show. Be a little more responsible in your posting.
Trainor was appointed by Trump in May, fyi.
Based on your logic you could NEVER eat out because most restaurants hire new cooks faster than a revolving door. Can't trust the "new guy" right?
Just looking at the big picture, as usual. I don't claim to have the answers.
Seems more like typical libtard tunnel vision to me.

Why isn't he qualified for the position?
When did I say he wasn't qualified? What a straw man. You're better than that, Gramps.
I'm not the one who brought up his hiring date which isn't relevant to the topic. That was you
Motivations are relevant.
What are the man's "motivations"?
I don't know. I think I have a good grasp of Trump's motivations, though.
Trump isn't the topic. Try to focus. What are the motivations you are implying to diminish this man's integrity?
 
This was written 3 days ago and already posted who knows how many times. You are repetitive and very late to the show. Be a little more responsible in your posting.
Trainor was appointed by Trump in May, fyi.
Based on your logic you could NEVER eat out because most restaurants hire new cooks faster than a revolving door. Can't trust the "new guy" right?
Just looking at the big picture, as usual. I don't claim to have the answers.
Seems more like typical libtard tunnel vision to me.

Why isn't he qualified for the position?
When did I say he wasn't qualified? What a straw man. You're better than that, Gramps.
I'm not the one who brought up his hiring date which isn't relevant to the topic. That was you
Motivations are relevant.
What are the man's "motivations"?
I don't know. I think I have a good grasp of Trump's motivations, though.
Trump isn't the topic. Try to focus. What are the motivations you are implying to diminish this man's integrity?
I pointed out that he was appointed by Trump. The person to whom I posted appeared to understand. That's good enough for me. The rest of this is tedious.
 
This was written 3 days ago and already posted who knows how many times. You are repetitive and very late to the show. Be a little more responsible in your posting.
Trainor was appointed by Trump in May, fyi.
Based on your logic you could NEVER eat out because most restaurants hire new cooks faster than a revolving door. Can't trust the "new guy" right?
Just looking at the big picture, as usual. I don't claim to have the answers.
Seems more like typical libtard tunnel vision to me.

Why isn't he qualified for the position?
When did I say he wasn't qualified? What a straw man. You're better than that, Gramps.
I'm not the one who brought up his hiring date which isn't relevant to the topic. That was you
Motivations are relevant.
What are the man's "motivations"?
I don't know. I think I have a good grasp of Trump's motivations, though.
Trump isn't the topic. Try to focus. What are the motivations you are implying to diminish this man's integrity?
I pointed out that he was appointed by Trump. The person to whom I posted appeared to understand. That's good enough for me. The rest of this is tedious.
It's only tedious because I called you on it and you can't provide any answers to back up your position.

When he was hired has nothing to do with his ability to do his job. So I'll ask again....

What has he done that gives you the right to challenge his integrity?
 
The chairman of the Federal Election Commission has concluded that there is enough evidence of voter fraud to declare that "This election is illegitimate." If you did not hear about this on the news shows you watch/listen to/read, you might want to find other news outlets.


The fact that you have to find these obscure and utterly "fake news" sites to promote these lies, should tell you that you're being conned by Don the Con, but not, you're not even smart enough to see that.

What a pack of liars you people are. The FEC president's comments were carried on numerous news channels and websites, including Newsmax, The Blaze, One America News, and The Federalist.

But since MSNBC and CNN and left-wing "news" sites did not mention it, you laughably think it's "fake news." No, the problem is that you rely on fake news and won't watch real news outlets.
Conservatives are a pack of liars - Newsmax, The Blaze, One America News, and The Federalist, among far too many others, are unreliable sources; they contrive fake news and lies you and others on the right then propagate.
 
On September 16, 2020, Trainor said that churches could endorse political candidates. He justified this by pointing to Trump's 2017 executive order that the Johnson Amendment should not be enforced. FEC Commissioner Ellen Weintraub disagreed with Trainor, saying that the Johnson Amendment remains law and "cannot be undone with an executive order."[10]

Thankfully this sycophant's term as Chair expires in December
And Trump’s in January.
 
We already have more than enough evidence to nullify this election. By December they'll be ready to tar and feather the cheaters and the media that have enabled them.
We dont need to have the election nullified, we just need a real hand audit of the ballots and throw out the ones with:
1) no signatue
2) No ID
3) Came in too late
4) the Voter is DEAD
5) the Voter no longer lives in the state
6) the ballots were counted int he middle of the night without any observers present
7) where the law requires observers from both parties and there were no Republicans, throw them out too.

And Trump wins and the stinky ass Dimocrap whores lose.
Cool fantasy~

Not going to happen...many voters who live out of state are still entitled to vote there..military and diplomatic people, for example. ID's where applicable..are checked before vote is cast..ballots that were postmarked after the 3rd were never part of the count. Ballots without matching signatures were never counted. What, do you want a handwriting expert to review every ballot? The time of count is irrelevant...and the alleged lack of observers is not tantamount to election fraud. We do not disenfranchise people for procedural mistakes.
 
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The chairman of the Federal Election Commission has concluded that there is enough evidence of voter fraud to declare that "This election is illegitimate." If you did not hear about this on the news shows you watch/listen to/read, you might want to find other news outlets.


The fact that you have to find these obscure and utterly "fake news" sites to promote these lies, should tell you that you're being conned by Don the Con, but not, you're not even smart enough to see that.

What a pack of liars you people are. The FEC president's comments were carried on numerous news channels and websites, including Newsmax, The Blaze, One America News, and The Federalist.

But since MSNBC and CNN and left-wing "news" sites did not mention it, you laughably think it's "fake news." No, the problem is that you rely on fake news and won't watch real news outlets.
Conservatives are a pack of liars - Newsmax, The Blaze, One America News, and The Federalist, among far too many others, are unreliable sources; they contrive fake news and lies you and others on the right then propagate.
As long as the suckers keep buying My Pillow---those outlets will live.
 
This was written 3 days ago and already posted who knows how many times. You are repetitive and very late to the show. Be a little more responsible in your posting.
Trainor was appointed by Trump in May, fyi.
Based on your logic you could NEVER eat out because most restaurants hire new cooks faster than a revolving door. Can't trust the "new guy" right?
Just looking at the big picture, as usual. I don't claim to have the answers.
Seems more like typical libtard tunnel vision to me.

Why isn't he qualified for the position?
When did I say he wasn't qualified? What a straw man. You're better than that, Gramps.
I'm not the one who brought up his hiring date which isn't relevant to the topic. That was you
Motivations are relevant.
What are the man's "motivations"?
I don't know. I think I have a good grasp of Trump's motivations, though.
Trump isn't the topic. Try to focus. What are the motivations you are implying to diminish this man's integrity?
I pointed out that he was appointed by Trump. The person to whom I posted appeared to understand. That's good enough for me. The rest of this is tedious.
It's only tedious because I called you on it and you can't provide any answers to back up your position.

When he was hired has nothing to do with his ability to do his job. So I'll ask again....

What has he done that gives you the right to challenge his integrity?
Easy answer..he shills for Trump..which, to be fair, is his job. But the fact that he took the job...knowing what he would have to do..speaks ill of his integrity.
 
This was written 3 days ago and already posted who knows how many times. You are repetitive and very late to the show. Be a little more responsible in your posting.
Trainor was appointed by Trump in May, fyi.
Based on your logic you could NEVER eat out because most restaurants hire new cooks faster than a revolving door. Can't trust the "new guy" right?
Just looking at the big picture, as usual. I don't claim to have the answers.
Seems more like typical libtard tunnel vision to me.

Why isn't he qualified for the position?
When did I say he wasn't qualified? What a straw man. You're better than that, Gramps.
I'm not the one who brought up his hiring date which isn't relevant to the topic. That was you
Motivations are relevant.
What are the man's "motivations"?
I don't know. I think I have a good grasp of Trump's motivations, though.
Trump isn't the topic. Try to focus. What are the motivations you are implying to diminish this man's integrity?
I pointed out that he was appointed by Trump. The person to whom I posted appeared to understand. That's good enough for me. The rest of this is tedious.

Understood, or laughed at the ridiculous ad hom...?
 
The chairman of the Federal Election Commission has concluded that there is enough evidence of voter fraud to declare that "This election is illegitimate." If you did not hear about this on the news shows you watch/listen to/read, you might want to find other news outlets.


The fact that you have to find these obscure and utterly "fake news" sites to promote these lies, should tell you that you're being conned by Don the Con, but not, you're not even smart enough to see that.

What a pack of liars you people are. The FEC president's comments were carried on numerous news channels and websites, including Newsmax, The Blaze, One America News, and The Federalist.

But since MSNBC and CNN and left-wing "news" sites did not mention it, you laughably think it's "fake news." No, the problem is that you rely on fake news and won't watch real news outlets.
Conservatives are a pack of liars - Newsmax, The Blaze, One America News, and The Federalist, among far too many others, are unreliable sources; they contrive fake news and lies you and others on the right then propagate.

What makes that different from the daily bilge that outlets like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC, The NYT, WaPo, McClatchy, etc pump out on a daily basis?

All you are doing is attacking the source which is called an Ad Hominem fallacy....A debate loser....

Like you, a loser.
 
The chairman of the Federal Election Commission has concluded that there is enough evidence of voter fraud to declare that "This election is illegitimate." If you did not hear about this on the news shows you watch/listen to/read, you might want to find other news outlets.


The fact that you have to find these obscure and utterly "fake news" sites to promote these lies, should tell you that you're being conned by Don the Con, but not, you're not even smart enough to see that.

Canadas economy is finished anyways, it doesn't matter who is president. We are a victim of our own centralized system, a relic in 2020, full of arrogance and hubris expressed by our kakistocracy.

Losing our best talent, our most motivated, hard working, driven citizens, while the least impressive among us milk the system and stymie innovation. What a recipe for long term disaster. Hey, at least the "important ones" get their full government funded pensions...

Your posts are always so laughable. The Canadian economy is faring the best of any in the Western first world - just as we did in the 2008 crash, because we don't buy into the loosey goosey lack of banking regulations which allow the Americans to crash to the economy and enrich their donor class.

And as with the 2008 crash, other world leaders are beating a path to our door to find out how we did it.

I don't have any idea of who you really are, but your tales of harassment by CSIS, and repeatedly warning the US government about Canadian abuse of NAFTA, is at least "entertaining". Especially the part where the Canadian government is destroying your life over your anti-Canadian politics.
 
This was written 3 days ago and already posted who knows how many times. You are repetitive and very late to the show. Be a little more responsible in your posting.
Trainor was appointed by Trump in May, fyi.
Based on your logic you could NEVER eat out because most restaurants hire new cooks faster than a revolving door. Can't trust the "new guy" right?
Just looking at the big picture, as usual. I don't claim to have the answers.
Seems more like typical libtard tunnel vision to me.

Why isn't he qualified for the position?
When did I say he wasn't qualified? What a straw man. You're better than that, Gramps.
I'm not the one who brought up his hiring date which isn't relevant to the topic. That was you
Motivations are relevant.
What are the man's "motivations"?
I don't know. I think I have a good grasp of Trump's motivations, though.
Trump isn't the topic. Try to focus. What are the motivations you are implying to diminish this man's integrity?
I pointed out that he was appointed by Trump. The person to whom I posted appeared to understand. That's good enough for me. The rest of this is tedious.
It's only tedious because I called you on it and you can't provide any answers to back up your position.

When he was hired has nothing to do with his ability to do his job. So I'll ask again....

What has he done that gives you the right to challenge his integrity?
Easy answer..he shills for Trump..which, to be fair, is his job. But the fact that he took the job...knowing what he would have to do..speaks ill of his integrity.

Was he FEC chair in 2018? What kind of shill allows his supposed master to lose?

You're an idiot....
 
This was written 3 days ago and already posted who knows how many times. You are repetitive and very late to the show. Be a little more responsible in your posting.
Trainor was appointed by Trump in May, fyi.
Based on your logic you could NEVER eat out because most restaurants hire new cooks faster than a revolving door. Can't trust the "new guy" right?
Just looking at the big picture, as usual. I don't claim to have the answers.
Seems more like typical libtard tunnel vision to me.

Why isn't he qualified for the position?
When did I say he wasn't qualified? What a straw man. You're better than that, Gramps.
I'm not the one who brought up his hiring date which isn't relevant to the topic. That was you
Motivations are relevant.
What are the man's "motivations"?
I don't know. I think I have a good grasp of Trump's motivations, though.
Trump isn't the topic. Try to focus. What are the motivations you are implying to diminish this man's integrity?
I pointed out that he was appointed by Trump. The person to whom I posted appeared to understand. That's good enough for me. The rest of this is tedious.
It's only tedious because I called you on it and you can't provide any answers to back up your position.

When he was hired has nothing to do with his ability to do his job. So I'll ask again....

What has he done that gives you the right to challenge his integrity?
Easy answer..he shills for Trump..which, to be fair, is his job. But the fact that he took the job...knowing what he would have to do..speaks ill of his integrity.

Was he FEC chair in 2018? What kind of shill allows his supposed master to lose?

You're an idiot....
He was appointed as Chairman in June of this year.
What kind of shill? One with little power..and one placed in his position in the vain hope that he could maybe be useful..he was not.

As to my idiocy...I'll take it over yours every day of the week. I, at least, face facts, even unpleasant ones, with a firm grasp of reality and an absence of magical thinking.
 
This was written 3 days ago and already posted who knows how many times. You are repetitive and very late to the show. Be a little more responsible in your posting.
Trainor was appointed by Trump in May, fyi.
Based on your logic you could NEVER eat out because most restaurants hire new cooks faster than a revolving door. Can't trust the "new guy" right?
Just looking at the big picture, as usual. I don't claim to have the answers.
Seems more like typical libtard tunnel vision to me.

Why isn't he qualified for the position?
When did I say he wasn't qualified? What a straw man. You're better than that, Gramps.
I'm not the one who brought up his hiring date which isn't relevant to the topic. That was you
Motivations are relevant.
What are the man's "motivations"?
I don't know. I think I have a good grasp of Trump's motivations, though.
Trump isn't the topic. Try to focus. What are the motivations you are implying to diminish this man's integrity?
I pointed out that he was appointed by Trump. The person to whom I posted appeared to understand. That's good enough for me. The rest of this is tedious.
It's only tedious because I called you on it and you can't provide any answers to back up your position.

When he was hired has nothing to do with his ability to do his job. So I'll ask again....

What has he done that gives you the right to challenge his integrity?
Easy answer..he shills for Trump..which, to be fair, is his job. But the fact that he took the job...knowing what he would have to do..speaks ill of his integrity.

Was he FEC chair in 2018? What kind of shill allows his supposed master to lose?

You're an idiot....
He was appointed as Chairman in June of this year.
What kind of shill? One with little power..and one placed in his position in the vain hope that he could maybe be useful..he was not.

As to my idiocy...I'll take it over yours every day of the week. I, at least, face facts, even unpleasant ones, with a firm grasp of reality and an absence of magical thinking.

No majical thinking here dumbass....I have repeated multiple times in these threads that when the election is certified, and electors are certified, I would accept the election...Til then, it is proper to ask questions, and fully investigate irregularaties....The reality I see is people like you wanting to rush the process because you don't want it looked at too closely....
 
The chairman of the Federal Election Commission has concluded that there is enough evidence of voter fraud to declare that "This election is illegitimate." If you did not hear about this on the news shows you watch/listen to/read, you might want to find other news outlets.


The fact that you have to find these obscure and utterly "fake news" sites to promote these lies, should tell you that you're being conned by Don the Con, but not, you're not even smart enough to see that.

What a pack of liars you people are. The FEC president's comments were carried on numerous news channels and websites, including Newsmax, The Blaze, One America News, and The Federalist.

But since MSNBC and CNN and left-wing "news" sites did not mention it, you laughably think it's "fake news." No, the problem is that you rely on fake news and won't watch real news outlets.
Conservatives are a pack of liars - Newsmax, The Blaze, One America News, and The Federalist, among far too many others, are unreliable sources; they contrive fake news and lies you and others on the right then propagate.

What makes that different from the daily bilge that outlets like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC, The NYT, WaPo, McClatchy, etc pump out on a daily basis?

All you are doing is attacking the source which is called an Ad Hominem fallacy....A debate loser....

Like you, a loser.

Your argument fails completely if your source is "questionable", at best.

Actually, any post is only as good as the validity of the information on which it is based. If the source is a "fake news", as this one is, the entire argument becomes moot. That YOU see no difference between "questionable sources" such as Newsmanx, OAN, or FOX News, and WAPO, NYT, NBC, CBS OR ABC is hardly surprising, since you are unable to discern between a "credible source" and and "questionable source".

One of the reasons why there are no really successful "fake news" sites for liberals is that liberals trust nothing and no one. We check out every source, and why someone would say such a thing if it wasn't true. Owners and purveyors of fake news sites said that it is impossible to successfully lie to liberals since they fact check EVERYTHING. Every liberal lie they posted was completely debunked within 10 minutes of it being posted. Conservatives are so much easier to lie to, because the Republican Party and right wing radio has already brainwashed them into distrusting the MSM.

Conservatives fact check nothing and will accept ANY piece of shit from ANY website which supports their closely held beliefs. This leads to clever billionaires like Rubert Murdoch, Robert Mercer, the Koch Brothers, and the Sinclair Family to buy up newspapers, television stations, and local television stations in reliably conservative parts of the country, and to promote a veritable pack of lies, to keep them voting Republican, to line the pockets of their radically right wing billionaire owners, who wealth and power are dependent on keeping the Republicans in power.

It's hard for Republicans to run on their record of unemployment, police state/Apartheid tactics of voter suppression and disenfranchisement of black and minority voters, all of which came to a head in the 2018 midterms.

The blatant attempts to disenfranchise poor and minority voters has completely disgusted those very people that Republicans needs to appeal to: women and minorities. Closing polling stations in poor neighbourhoods, instituting arcane, last minute rules for registration to disenfranchise Native Americans, and striking tens of thousands of names from voter registration rolls weeks before an election, all of which were litigated in the courts in 2018, achieved an unexpected outcome:

THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS WERE THE FAIREST, AND BEST RUN ELECTIONS WITH THE HIGHEST TURN OUT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

AND TRUMP LOST IN A "LANDSLIDE".
 
The chairman of the Federal Election Commission has concluded that there is enough evidence of voter fraud to declare that "This election is illegitimate." If you did not hear about this on the news shows you watch/listen to/read, you might want to find other news outlets.


The fact that you have to find these obscure and utterly "fake news" sites to promote these lies, should tell you that you're being conned by Don the Con, but not, you're not even smart enough to see that.

Canadas economy is finished anyways, it doesn't matter who is president. We are a victim of our own centralized system, a relic in 2020, full of arrogance and hubris expressed by our kakistocracy.

Losing our best talent, our most motivated, hard working, driven citizens, while the least impressive among us milk the system and stymie innovation. What a recipe for long term disaster. Hey, at least the "important ones" get their full government funded pensions...

Your posts are always so laughable. The Canadian economy is faring the best of any in the Western first world - just as we did in the 2008 crash, because we don't buy into the loosey goosey lack of banking regulations which allow the Americans to crash to the economy and enrich their donor class.

And as with the 2008 crash, other world leaders are beating a path to our door to find out how we did it.

I don't have any idea of who you really are, but your tales of harassment by CSIS, and repeatedly warning the US government about Canadian abuse of NAFTA, is at least "entertaining". Especially the part where the Canadian government is destroying your life over your anti-Canadian politics.

Canadas economy is meek and laughable. It's why the hardest working and most talented leave for other nations. It's why when people run from war in Syria, they actually go BACK to face those dangers rather than stay in low performing Canada. it's why Canadian Snowbirds are telling the Canadian government to go fly a kite, as they head to Florida during the pandemic, upsetting the powers that be (primarily because they want their tax revenue here).

Our lack of civil liberties and the creepy RCMP, OPP and their surrogates, have ensured that Canada remains in the 20th Century, while everyone else flies by. They eat our lunch and burp in our faces.

Here is a prediction. Canada won't be long for the G7 It may take 15 or 20 years, but, our reputation is etched in stone. Canada will just no longer "fit the criteria". We've been fortunate to be beside the U.S, if not, our GDP would be a tenth of what it is today. We don't embrace civil liberties and basic human rights, thus, we don't embrace American Values (even as some scumbags try to import them into the ol' US of A).

Our back to back loses on the Security Council over the last 10 years should wake us up, but, the kakistocracy likes to keep their heads in the trough, to hell with Canadas long term success, so of course they won't change. Arrogance at it's finest. Like an old beauty queen believing all the guys in the town and all the years, haven't move on.

CSIS isn't my problem, I've been aware of this for many years now. My problem, is also Canadas problem...
 
The chairman of the Federal Election Commission has concluded that there is enough evidence of voter fraud to declare that "This election is illegitimate." If you did not hear about this on the news shows you watch/listen to/read, you might want to find other news outlets.


The fact that you have to find these obscure and utterly "fake news" sites to promote these lies, should tell you that you're being conned by Don the Con, but not, you're not even smart enough to see that.

What a pack of liars you people are. The FEC president's comments were carried on numerous news channels and websites, including Newsmax, The Blaze, One America News, and The Federalist.

But since MSNBC and CNN and left-wing "news" sites did not mention it, you laughably think it's "fake news." No, the problem is that you rely on fake news and won't watch real news outlets.
Conservatives are a pack of liars - Newsmax, The Blaze, One America News, and The Federalist, among far too many others, are unreliable sources; they contrive fake news and lies you and others on the right then propagate.

What makes that different from the daily bilge that outlets like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC, The NYT, WaPo, McClatchy, etc pump out on a daily basis?

All you are doing is attacking the source which is called an Ad Hominem fallacy....A debate loser....

Like you, a loser.

Your argument fails completely if your source is "questionable", at best.

Actually, any post is only as good as the validity of the information on which it is based. If the source is a "fake news", as this one is, the entire argument becomes moot. That YOU see no difference between "questionable sources" such as Newsmanx, OAN, or FOX News, and WAPO, NYT, NBC, CBS OR ABC is hardly surprising, since you are unable to discern between a "credible source" and and "questionable source".

One of the reasons why there are no really successful "fake news" sites for liberals is that liberals trust nothing and no one. We check out every source, and why someone would say such a thing if it wasn't true. Owners and purveyors of fake news sites said that it is impossible to successfully lie to liberals since they fact check EVERYTHING. Every liberal lie they posted was completely debunked within 10 minutes of it being posted. Conservatives are so much easier to lie to, because the Republican Party and right wing radio has already brainwashed them into distrusting the MSM.

Conservatives fact check nothing and will accept ANY piece of shit from ANY website which supports their closely held beliefs. This leads to clever billionaires like Rubert Murdoch, Robert Mercer, the Koch Brothers, and the Sinclair Family to buy up newspapers, television stations, and local television stations in reliably conservative parts of the country, and to promote a veritable pack of lies, to keep them voting Republican, to line the pockets of their radically right wing billionaire owners, who wealth and power are dependent on keeping the Republicans in power.

It's hard for Republicans to run on their record of unemployment, police state/Apartheid tactics of voter suppression and disenfranchisement of black and minority voters, all of which came to a head in the 2018 midterms.

The blatant attempts to disenfranchise poor and minority voters has completely disgusted those very people that Republicans needs to appeal to: women and minorities. Closing polling stations in poor neighbourhoods, instituting arcane, last minute rules for registration to disenfranchise Native Americans, and striking tens of thousands of names from voter registration rolls weeks before an election, all of which were litigated in the courts in 2018, achieved an unexpected outcome:

THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS WERE THE FAIREST, AND BEST RUN ELECTIONS WITH THE HIGHEST TURN OUT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

AND TRUMP LOST IN A "LANDSLIDE".

Sorry, but no one that I know of declared that you are the arbiter of which news sources are truthful, and which aren't, except for yourself...That's what freedom of the press is all about...It isn't just regurgitating the 'popular' viewpoint, which is what you seem to think constitutes a reliable source of news...
 

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