Federal Court Shoots Down Concealed Carry in California

[Fair&Balanced]

Law, as with all language, is a living thing in that it is what the living use it for and as. The Constitution was written a long time ago. All the people involved are dead. We know what has changed and what is happening today, and we have to deal with it. We will either do that intelligently or not, but it will be done. Extremist stands are not going to be helpful.
Fearing one gentle old lady who expressed her opinion that the world would be better without guns is laughable. It is like she were wishing everyone would be nice and kind. Who wouldn't wish that? The evidence is that far too many are not nice and kind. One could still wish they would be.

Let me ask you a question

What if say Arizona looked around and said "you know what, look at all these people who are using violence to protest, this isn't working for us, and after all, the COTUS was written a long time ago and the founders are dead anyway so let's recognize that today we have to get rid of the right to assemble and protest. From now on, you have to have a back ground check, get a permit, and get permission from each county sheriff if you want to protest at all, and if s/he says no, tough shit?"

Would you find that acceptable? Why or why not?

 

[aris2chat]

These freaking morons, should all be impeached and replaced with random names from the Fresno phone book.

Appeals court rules Americans don't have right to carry concealed guns | Fox News

We have a right to guns, but we don't get to conceal them without permit.

 

[martybegan]

These freaking morons, should all be impeached and replaced with random names from the Fresno phone book.

Appeals court rules Americans don't have right to carry concealed guns | Fox News

We have a right to guns, but we don't get to conceal them without permit.

The issue isn't the permit, the issue is the Sheriff can deny a person one "just because". These people applied for a CCW, and were denied because they didn't give a "reason" why they "need" one.

 

[JimBowie1958]

These freaking morons, should all be impeached and replaced with random names from the Fresno phone book.

Appeals court rules Americans don't have right to carry concealed guns | Fox News

We have a right to guns, but we don't get to conceal them without permit.

That depends on the state, doesnt it?

Here in Virginia I can open carry all I want to, but I have to get a permit to carry concealed, hence the development of the 'Virginia Tuck'.

But some 8 states allow 'Constitutional carry, which is anything you want to without a permit, like Alaska and Montana and Vermont.

Constitutional Carry Index

 

[hunarcy]

These freaking morons, should all be impeached and replaced with random names from the Fresno phone book.

Appeals court rules Americans don't have right to carry concealed guns | Fox News

We have a right to guns, but we don't get to conceal them without permit.

So, Arizona, Alaska, Vermont and Montana , with their open carry, are the only states that are following The Constitution?
Alaska and Montana and Vermont

 

[paulitician]

Gee, go figure?

 

[Meathead]

Wonderful! Now only thugs will carry concealed guns.

 

[aris2chat]

The 9th Circus Court of Appeals is the most overturned Federal court in the nation.

They're probably about to add to that score.

Not if Hillary wins. I hate Trump, but SHE can't be President.

still need to vote
write someone in

 

[aris2chat]

The 9th circuit court of appeals stated today that the right to vote is not an absolute right...in fact, the citizen who wishes to vote will now need to go before the election board and show a positive reason why it is necessary for them to vote in the upcoming election. Simply being a citizen and having the Right to vote is no longer enough to justify allowing all citizens the Right to exercise their vote....

Wait....what.....it wasn't voting.......it was the 2nd Amendment.....a citizen has to explain to government agents why they are in dire need of the ability to carry a gun for self defense...even though the 2nd Amendment says the Right shall not be infringed?

Never mind...I guess some Rights are not worth keeping....and just because the 2nd ensures all the rest....yeah....that won't be a problem for future generations...

You are not insane, not an illegal immigrant, of age..............hopefully with ID.
Children and the dead should not be voting, nor dogs

 

[depotoo]

"Zacharia Johnson, a delegate to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, summed up the meaning of the Second Amendment when he declared that “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”"

It doesnt state in the 2nd amendment you have a right to have a concealed weapon.

"Keep and bear arms"

Bear arms means display your gun. You only have the right to keep and bear arms if you are part of a militia.

 

[bendog]

The 9th circuit court of appeals stated today that the right to vote is not an absolute right...in fact, the citizen who wishes to vote will now need to go before the election board and show a positive reason why it is necessary for them to vote in the upcoming election. Simply being a citizen and having the Right to vote is no longer enough to justify allowing all citizens the Right to exercise their vote....

Wait....what.....it wasn't voting.......it was the 2nd Amendment.....a citizen has to explain to government agents why they are in dire need of the ability to carry a gun for self defense...even though the 2nd Amendment says the Right shall not be infringed?

Never mind...I guess some Rights are not worth keeping....and just because the 2nd ensures all the rest....yeah....that won't be a problem for future generations...

You are not insane, not an illegal immigrant, of age..............hopefully with ID.
Children and the dead should not be voting, nor dogs

Hey, I know dogs who are smarter than people on this board. (-:

 

[Asclepias]

"Zacharia Johnson, a delegate to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, summed up the meaning of the Second Amendment when he declared that “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”"

It doesnt state in the 2nd amendment you have a right to have a concealed weapon.

"Keep and bear arms"

Bear arms means display your gun. You only have the right to keep and bear arms if you are part of a militia.

Too bad Madison didnt put this in the 2nd amendment. As its contructed the 2nd amendment says only the miliita have a right to guns and the militia is currently determined to be the national guard by congress.

 

[martybegan]

"Zacharia Johnson, a delegate to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, summed up the meaning of the Second Amendment when he declared that “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”"

It doesnt state in the 2nd amendment you have a right to have a concealed weapon.

"Keep and bear arms"

Bear arms means display your gun. You only have the right to keep and bear arms if you are part of a militia.

Too bad Madison didnt put this in the 2nd amendment. As its contructed the 2nd amendment says only the miliita have a right to guns and the militia is currently determined to be the national guard by congress.

Again, the people have a right to guns, the States have the right to a militia.

 

[bendog]

"Zacharia Johnson, a delegate to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, summed up the meaning of the Second Amendment when he declared that “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”"

It doesnt state in the 2nd amendment you have a right to have a concealed weapon.

"Keep and bear arms"

Bear arms means display your gun. You only have the right to keep and bear arms if you are part of a militia.

Too bad Madison didnt put this in the 2nd amendment. As its contructed the 2nd amendment says only the miliita have a right to guns and the militia is currently determined to be the national guard by congress.

horse be gone and barn door already shut on this one.

 

[bendog]

"Zacharia Johnson, a delegate to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, summed up the meaning of the Second Amendment when he declared that “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”"

It doesnt state in the 2nd amendment you have a right to have a concealed weapon.

"Keep and bear arms"

Bear arms means display your gun. You only have the right to keep and bear arms if you are part of a militia.

Too bad Madison didnt put this in the 2nd amendment. As its contructed the 2nd amendment says only the miliita have a right to guns and the militia is currently determined to be the national guard by congress.

Again, the people have a right to guns, the States have the right to a militia.

hmmmm. A state doesn't have a right to a milita. The state has no right. The power to raise a militia was ceded by the states in the post WWII national guard scheme.

But we can buy and keep guns.

 

[martybegan]

"Zacharia Johnson, a delegate to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, summed up the meaning of the Second Amendment when he declared that “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”"

"Keep and bear arms"

Bear arms means display your gun. You only have the right to keep and bear arms if you are part of a militia.

Too bad Madison didnt put this in the 2nd amendment. As its contructed the 2nd amendment says only the miliita have a right to guns and the militia is currently determined to be the national guard by congress.

Again, the people have a right to guns, the States have the right to a militia.

hmmmm. A state doesn't have a right to a milita. The state has no right. The power to raise a militia was ceded by the states in the post WWII national guard scheme.

How so? The National Guard may have federal connections, but the 2nd amendment was never repealed, and if a State chose too, they can still raise another Militia.

 

[Asclepias]

"Zacharia Johnson, a delegate to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, summed up the meaning of the Second Amendment when he declared that “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”"

"Keep and bear arms"

Bear arms means display your gun. You only have the right to keep and bear arms if you are part of a militia.

Too bad Madison didnt put this in the 2nd amendment. As its contructed the 2nd amendment says only the miliita have a right to guns and the militia is currently determined to be the national guard by congress.

Again, the people have a right to guns, the States have the right to a militia.

hmmmm. A state doesn't have a right to a milita. The state has no right. The power to raise a militia was ceded by the states in the post WWII national guard scheme.

But we can buy and keep guns.

The second amendment says its the states right. Of course they have to follow congress and they have decided the national guard is the militia.

 

[Asclepias]

"Zacharia Johnson, a delegate to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, summed up the meaning of the Second Amendment when he declared that “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”"

It doesnt state in the 2nd amendment you have a right to have a concealed weapon.

"Keep and bear arms"

Bear arms means display your gun. You only have the right to keep and bear arms if you are part of a militia.

Too bad Madison didnt put this in the 2nd amendment. As its contructed the 2nd amendment says only the miliita have a right to guns and the militia is currently determined to be the national guard by congress.

horse be gone and barn door already shut on this one.

The SCOTUS has been known to overturn things. The first century after the 2nd amendment saw the SCOTUS agree with me. Its a pendulum.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

"Zacharia Johnson, a delegate to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, summed up the meaning of the Second Amendment when he declared that “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”"

Bear arms means display your gun. You only have the right to keep and bear arms if you are part of a militia.

Too bad Madison didnt put this in the 2nd amendment. As its contructed the 2nd amendment says only the miliita have a right to guns and the militia is currently determined to be the national guard by congress.

Again, the people have a right to guns, the States have the right to a militia.

hmmmm. A state doesn't have a right to a milita. The state has no right. The power to raise a militia was ceded by the states in the post WWII national guard scheme.

But we can buy and keep guns.

The second amendment says its the states right. Of course they have to follow congress and they have decided the national guard is the militia.

You ignorant fuck, the 2nd is an individual right , confirmed by SCOTUS time after time after time.

 

[aris2chat]

These freaking morons, should all be impeached and replaced with random names from the Fresno phone book.

Appeals court rules Americans don't have right to carry concealed guns | Fox News

We have a right to guns, but we don't get to conceal them without permit.

The issue isn't the permit, the issue is the Sheriff can deny a person one "just because". These people applied for a CCW, and were denied because they didn't give a "reason" why they "need" one.

If people see you carry, they will leave you alone. Not everyone notices the way a jacket lays to know that person is carrying.