Federal employees from unconstitutional agencies band together to work against the government

[The Irish Ram]

haha, jail for what?

sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch

The groups purpose is to "voice opposition" in support of environmental issues that they stand for... not to overthrow the government through violence.

The Brandenburg v. Ohio U.S. Supreme Court decision maintains that seditious speech—including speech that constitutes an incitement to violence—is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as long as it does not indicate an “imminent” threat.

Seditious speech in the United States - Wikipedia

Any state law that conflict with federal law is unconstitutional. Article 6 sec 2. And federal law says sedition is a punishable offense:

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

The difference is one of speech, (allowable) and conspiracy (punishable). These employees are conspiring, politically, to resist our government.

 

[pillars]

haha, jail for what?

sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch

The groups purpose is to "voice opposition" in support of environmental issues that they stand for... not to overthrow the government through violence.

The Brandenburg v. Ohio U.S. Supreme Court decision maintains that seditious speech—including speech that constitutes an incitement to violence—is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as long as it does not indicate an “imminent” threat.

Seditious speech in the United States - Wikipedia

Any state law that conflict with federal law is unconstitutional. Article 6 sec 2. And federal law says sedition is a punishable offense:

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

The difference is one of speech, (allowable) and conspiracy (punishable). These employees are conspiring, politically, to resist our government.

Good luck making that case in court.

 

[Slade3200]

haha, jail for what?

sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch

The groups purpose is to "voice opposition" in support of environmental issues that they stand for... not to overthrow the government through violence.

The Brandenburg v. Ohio U.S. Supreme Court decision maintains that seditious speech—including speech that constitutes an incitement to violence—is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as long as it does not indicate an “imminent” threat.

Seditious speech in the United States - Wikipedia

Any state law that conflict with federal law is unconstitutional. Article 6 sec 2. And federal law says sedition is a punishable offense:

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

The difference is one of speech, (allowable) and conspiracy (punishable). These employees are conspiring, politically, to resist our government.

Then by definition so would every sanctuary city and every state that has passed a marijuana law. If we did things your way we would need to start building more prisons STAT!

 

[koshergrl]

The park service should be administered by private corporations. Prisons are starting to be run by civilian enterprises. The founding fathers only intended for the military to be run by the government, not the whole shebang. Bureau of Land Management indeed!

The founding fathers created a government of the people and by the people. The power and evolution of the government has been done by elected officials pursuing the will of their constituents. You dodge my question... Why should ALL employees in the NPS be thrown in jail? or were you just talking out of your ass again?

Did I say anything about jail? You smoking belly button lint again?

My bad, I thought you were the OP who said Jail... Per your comment about the parks service... Private corporations are profit driven so protecting the land, animals, and resource isn't exactly their top priority. This is why it is run by the government. If you have a model where private corps would do it better while still maintaining the environmental protections then i'd like to hear it.

Er..no. Because it isn't the JOB of the fucking GOVERNMENT to "protect the land" from AMERICAN CITIZENS you fucking asshat. That is anti American, and unconstitutional.

The land belongs to us, the feds have no right to it, and they need to clear off and the Dept. of Interior needs to be eliminated.

Personally, I would like to see them lined up and shot, but that probably isn't going to happen.

ok, instead of spewing garbage statements how about you present an intelligent argument. Post links to law that says the government has no right to protect and manage our land. Or explain which illegal actions were taken to create these departments, and which illegal actions they commit with their operations. I know it probably hurts you to use your brain, but give it a shot.

"The founders ...didn’t want a mob of folks from Pennsylvania intimidating Congress into granting special favors to people of that state at the expense of others.

"The Constitution therefore allows the federal government to possess land in three forms: territories, enclaves and other property. Territories referred to land that was owned by the federal government but had not been formally made into states. Enclaves referred to land within a state that was owned by the federal government for essential purposes such as ‘Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards.’ Other property refers to land holdings for enumerated purposes, and gives the federal government limited discretion to possess land.

"However, the Constitution does not authorize permanent land-grabs by the federal government. It authorizes Congress to make “all needful Rules and Regulations” pertaining to land. ‘Needful’ was a word carefully chosen to indicate that the regulatory power only expanded to powers specifically enumerated in the Constitution. The feds were expected to sell off non-essential land and distribute the subsequent monies in ways that benefited the public good such as paying off the debt or tax cuts.

"The current regime of federal land management is blatantly unconstitutional. The founding fathers never intended to create a Republic where the feds could impose draconian fees on peaceful individuals and force them from the land. As a matter of fact, that is exactly the arrangement that the Constitution was written to prevent, as it clearly violates the principles of fiduciary government, sympathy and independence."

Federal Land Ownership: Is It Constitutional?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Sedition is the crime of revolting or inciting revolt against government. However, because of the broad protection of free speech under the First Amendment, prosecutions for sedition are rare. Nevertheless, sedition remains a crime in the United States under 18 U.S.C.A. § 2384 (2000), a federal statute that punishes seditious conspiracy.

I said it was a crime. It is a crime. Don't know what else to tell ya.
This new little lefty group is just getting organized. It is an offshoot of a Soros funded climate change organization. They will be using our parks to disrupt vacationers by protesting and random violence at the gates. They are to our parks, as ACORN is to BLM. They'll organize. Remember that Obama held our parks hostage whenever Congress bulked at his budgets.
They represent Soros' shadow government. He should be charged with sedition along with them.

 

[The Irish Ram]

haha, jail for what?

sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch

The groups purpose is to "voice opposition" in support of environmental issues that they stand for... not to overthrow the government through violence.

The Brandenburg v. Ohio U.S. Supreme Court decision maintains that seditious speech—including speech that constitutes an incitement to violence—is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as long as it does not indicate an “imminent” threat.

Seditious speech in the United States - Wikipedia

Any state law that conflict with federal law is unconstitutional. Article 6 sec 2. And federal law says sedition is a punishable offense:

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

The difference is one of speech, (allowable) and conspiracy (punishable). These employees are conspiring, politically, to resist our government.

Then by definition so would every sanctuary city and every state that has passed a marijuana law. If we did things your way we would need to start building more prisons STAT!

Yes. Where have you been? Do you not know that the proprietor of a marijuana establishment, lab, grow warehouse can be shut down and all proceeds and product can and are being confiscated by the Feds even if it is legal in the state?
And lets be honest about "sanctuary cities". They are merely gateways to all the other cities. They are putting us all at risk.

Any state law that conflicts with federal law is unconstitutional. Ask the Constitution:

Article 6, Clause 2
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby..

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Alt National Park Service - About | Facebook

"The Alt National Park Service movement is comprised of over 1.4 million individuals fro...m around the globe, and created by a coalition of 162 National Park Service employees, 29 state park employees, 19 National Forest Service employees, 4 EPA employees, 2 USDA employees, and 32 environmental scientists.

We formed in response to the new administration, who has shown little mercy for the environment. As Americans, we have the opportunity to voice our opposition. We will not be silent. Resistance is not futile, but it is strength. In unity, we find power. America is a government by the people, for the people. We will not stand idly by and let our government destroy our environment."

Traitors and criminals. Eliminate the parks service, the forest service, the forest service, the blm and the epa.

And put them in jail.

The 'Alt' National Park Service shows how to resist

Send them all to the camps!

You really are the gift that keeps on giving, nazigrl.

 

[koshergrl]

haha, jail for what?

sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch

The groups purpose is to "voice opposition" in support of environmental issues that they stand for... not to overthrow the government through violence.

The Brandenburg v. Ohio U.S. Supreme Court decision maintains that seditious speech—including speech that constitutes an incitement to violence—is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as long as it does not indicate an “imminent” threat.

Seditious speech in the United States - Wikipedia

Any state law that conflict with federal law is unconstitutional. Article 6 sec 2. And federal law says sedition is a punishable offense:

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

The difference is one of speech, (allowable) and conspiracy (punishable). These employees are conspiring, politically, to resist our government.

Then by definition so would every sanctuary city and every state that has passed a marijuana law. If we did things your way we would need to start building more prisons STAT!

YES! Please! We want more prisons!

And more nuthouses! Take all the money that we were previously dumping into the Dept. of Education, and use it to build prisons and nutfarms.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

haha, jail for what?

sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch

The groups purpose is to "voice opposition" in support of environmental issues that they stand for... not to overthrow the government through violence.

The Brandenburg v. Ohio U.S. Supreme Court decision maintains that seditious speech—including speech that constitutes an incitement to violence—is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as long as it does not indicate an “imminent” threat.

Seditious speech in the United States - Wikipedia

Any state law that conflict with federal law is unconstitutional. Article 6 sec 2. And federal law says sedition is a punishable offense:

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

The difference is one of speech, (allowable) and conspiracy (punishable). These employees are conspiring, politically, to resist our government.

Then by definition so would every sanctuary city and every state that has passed a marijuana law. If we did things your way we would need to start building more prisons STAT!

YES! Please! We want more prisons!

And more nuthouses! Take all the money that we were previously dumping into the Dept. of Education, and use it to build prisons and nutfarms.

You should heavily promote yourself as the voice of the American right wing. I think nothing sums up the fascism of the right than demanding more prisons to lock up your political opponents. But you might want to just call them "camps" - I think it'd make your point clearer.

Sieg Heil!

 

[koshergrl]

sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch

The groups purpose is to "voice opposition" in support of environmental issues that they stand for... not to overthrow the government through violence.

The Brandenburg v. Ohio U.S. Supreme Court decision maintains that seditious speech—including speech that constitutes an incitement to violence—is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as long as it does not indicate an “imminent” threat.

Seditious speech in the United States - Wikipedia

Any state law that conflict with federal law is unconstitutional. Article 6 sec 2. And federal law says sedition is a punishable offense:

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

The difference is one of speech, (allowable) and conspiracy (punishable). These employees are conspiring, politically, to resist our government.

Then by definition so would every sanctuary city and every state that has passed a marijuana law. If we did things your way we would need to start building more prisons STAT!

YES! Please! We want more prisons!

And more nuthouses! Take all the money that we were previously dumping into the Dept. of Education, and use it to build prisons and nutfarms.

You should heavily promote yourself as the voice of the American right wing. I think nothing sums up the fascism of the right than demanding more prisons to lock up your political opponents. But you might want to just call them "camps" - I think it'd make your point clearer.

Sieg Heil!

Hey, under your regime, the useful idiots just get killed outright, and the truly violent offenders given titles.

So mine is really the more gentle choice.

 

[pillars]

Sedition is the crime of revolting or inciting revolt against government. However, because of the broad protection of free speech under the First Amendment, prosecutions for sedition are rare. Nevertheless, sedition remains a crime in the United States under 18 U.S.C.A. § 2384 (2000), a federal statute that punishes seditious conspiracy.

I said it was a crime. It is a crime. Don't know what else to tell ya.
This new little lefty group is just getting organized. It is an offshoot of a Soros funded climate change organization. They will be using our parks to disrupt vacationers by protesting and random violence at the gates. They are to our parks, as ACORN is to BLM. They'll organize. Remember that Obama held our parks hostage whenever Congress bulked at his budgets.
They represent Soros' shadow government. He should be charged with sedition along with them.

I think that no one is going to be charged with this crime, because organizing protests does not fall under the definition of sedition.

But I enjoy watching y'all lose your shit over this.

 

[koshergrl]

We need more institutions to put the crazies into.

We will fill them to overflowing for a few years, then you..I mean they...will eventually die out.

And we can turn them into cute apartment buildings for the guys who work for the oil companies, laying pipe, and drilling.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The groups purpose is to "voice opposition" in support of environmental issues that they stand for... not to overthrow the government through violence.

The Brandenburg v. Ohio U.S. Supreme Court decision maintains that seditious speech—including speech that constitutes an incitement to violence—is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as long as it does not indicate an “imminent” threat.

Seditious speech in the United States - Wikipedia

Any state law that conflict with federal law is unconstitutional. Article 6 sec 2. And federal law says sedition is a punishable offense:

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

The difference is one of speech, (allowable) and conspiracy (punishable). These employees are conspiring, politically, to resist our government.

Then by definition so would every sanctuary city and every state that has passed a marijuana law. If we did things your way we would need to start building more prisons STAT!

YES! Please! We want more prisons!

And more nuthouses! Take all the money that we were previously dumping into the Dept. of Education, and use it to build prisons and nutfarms.

You should heavily promote yourself as the voice of the American right wing. I think nothing sums up the fascism of the right than demanding more prisons to lock up your political opponents. But you might want to just call them "camps" - I think it'd make your point clearer.

Sieg Heil!

Hey, under your regime, the useful idiots just get killed outright, and the truly violent offenders given titles.

So mine is really the more gentle choice.

Neither you nor I have a "regime", clown shoes. Your fantasies of murdering your political opponents and sending them to camps are not indicative of a "regime", they're just the twisted and hateful delusions of an old hag who hates the world around her.

Your "regime" only exists in your mind, thankfully. But keep shouting it, please.

 

[Slade3200]

The founding fathers created a government of the people and by the people. The power and evolution of the government has been done by elected officials pursuing the will of their constituents. You dodge my question... Why should ALL employees in the NPS be thrown in jail? or were you just talking out of your ass again?

Did I say anything about jail? You smoking belly button lint again?

My bad, I thought you were the OP who said Jail... Per your comment about the parks service... Private corporations are profit driven so protecting the land, animals, and resource isn't exactly their top priority. This is why it is run by the government. If you have a model where private corps would do it better while still maintaining the environmental protections then i'd like to hear it.

Er..no. Because it isn't the JOB of the fucking GOVERNMENT to "protect the land" from AMERICAN CITIZENS you fucking asshat. That is anti American, and unconstitutional.

The land belongs to us, the feds have no right to it, and they need to clear off and the Dept. of Interior needs to be eliminated.

Personally, I would like to see them lined up and shot, but that probably isn't going to happen.

ok, instead of spewing garbage statements how about you present an intelligent argument. Post links to law that says the government has no right to protect and manage our land. Or explain which illegal actions were taken to create these departments, and which illegal actions they commit with their operations. I know it probably hurts you to use your brain, but give it a shot.

"The founders ...didn’t want a mob of folks from Pennsylvania intimidating Congress into granting special favors to people of that state at the expense of others.

"The Constitution therefore allows the federal government to possess land in three forms: territories, enclaves and other property. Territories referred to land that was owned by the federal government but had not been formally made into states. Enclaves referred to land within a state that was owned by the federal government for essential purposes such as ‘Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards.’ Other property refers to land holdings for enumerated purposes, and gives the federal government limited discretion to possess land.

"However, the Constitution does not authorize permanent land-grabs by the federal government. It authorizes Congress to make “all needful Rules and Regulations” pertaining to land. ‘Needful’ was a word carefully chosen to indicate that the regulatory power only expanded to powers specifically enumerated in the Constitution. The feds were expected to sell off non-essential land and distribute the subsequent monies in ways that benefited the public good such as paying off the debt or tax cuts.

"The current regime of federal land management is blatantly unconstitutional. The founding fathers never intended to create a Republic where the feds could impose draconian fees on peaceful individuals and force them from the land. As a matter of fact, that is exactly the arrangement that the Constitution was written to prevent, as it clearly violates the principles of fiduciary government, sympathy and independence."

Federal Land Ownership: Is It Constitutional?

You copy and paste somebody's opinion from an article they wrote? You call that brain power?

Site a law as written and how it relates to your arguement. Debate101

 

[koshergrl]

Any state law that conflict with federal law is unconstitutional. Article 6 sec 2. And federal law says sedition is a punishable offense:

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

The difference is one of speech, (allowable) and conspiracy (punishable). These employees are conspiring, politically, to resist our government.

Then by definition so would every sanctuary city and every state that has passed a marijuana law. If we did things your way we would need to start building more prisons STAT!

YES! Please! We want more prisons!

And more nuthouses! Take all the money that we were previously dumping into the Dept. of Education, and use it to build prisons and nutfarms.

You should heavily promote yourself as the voice of the American right wing. I think nothing sums up the fascism of the right than demanding more prisons to lock up your political opponents. But you might want to just call them "camps" - I think it'd make your point clearer.

Sieg Heil!

Hey, under your regime, the useful idiots just get killed outright, and the truly violent offenders given titles.

So mine is really the more gentle choice.

Neither you nor I have a "regime", clown shoes. Your fantasies of murdering your political opponents and sending them to camps are not indicative of a "regime", they're just the twisted and hateful delusions of an old hag who hates the world around her.

Your "regime" only exists in your mind, thankfully. But keep shouting it, please.

No, you had a regime. He's still doing his thing.

Psst...

 

[koshergrl]

Did I say anything about jail? You smoking belly button lint again?

My bad, I thought you were the OP who said Jail... Per your comment about the parks service... Private corporations are profit driven so protecting the land, animals, and resource isn't exactly their top priority. This is why it is run by the government. If you have a model where private corps would do it better while still maintaining the environmental protections then i'd like to hear it.

Er..no. Because it isn't the JOB of the fucking GOVERNMENT to "protect the land" from AMERICAN CITIZENS you fucking asshat. That is anti American, and unconstitutional.

The land belongs to us, the feds have no right to it, and they need to clear off and the Dept. of Interior needs to be eliminated.

Personally, I would like to see them lined up and shot, but that probably isn't going to happen.

ok, instead of spewing garbage statements how about you present an intelligent argument. Post links to law that says the government has no right to protect and manage our land. Or explain which illegal actions were taken to create these departments, and which illegal actions they commit with their operations. I know it probably hurts you to use your brain, but give it a shot.

"The founders ...didn’t want a mob of folks from Pennsylvania intimidating Congress into granting special favors to people of that state at the expense of others.

"The Constitution therefore allows the federal government to possess land in three forms: territories, enclaves and other property. Territories referred to land that was owned by the federal government but had not been formally made into states. Enclaves referred to land within a state that was owned by the federal government for essential purposes such as ‘Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards.’ Other property refers to land holdings for enumerated purposes, and gives the federal government limited discretion to possess land.

"However, the Constitution does not authorize permanent land-grabs by the federal government. It authorizes Congress to make “all needful Rules and Regulations” pertaining to land. ‘Needful’ was a word carefully chosen to indicate that the regulatory power only expanded to powers specifically enumerated in the Constitution. The feds were expected to sell off non-essential land and distribute the subsequent monies in ways that benefited the public good such as paying off the debt or tax cuts.

"The current regime of federal land management is blatantly unconstitutional. The founding fathers never intended to create a Republic where the feds could impose draconian fees on peaceful individuals and force them from the land. As a matter of fact, that is exactly the arrangement that the Constitution was written to prevent, as it clearly violates the principles of fiduciary government, sympathy and independence."

Federal Land Ownership: Is It Constitutional?

You copy and paste somebody's opinion from an article they wrote? You call that brain power?

Site a law as written and how it relates to your arguement. Debate101

Cite a law, you mean.

That's why I am not wasting any effort making my own argument. Besides which, you demanded that I "Post links to law that says the government has no right to protect and manage our land. Or explain which illegal actions were taken to create these departments, and which illegal actions they commit with their operations"...I did it.

The constitution is the law, btw.

 

[rightwinger]

Then by definition so would every sanctuary city and every state that has passed a marijuana law. If we did things your way we would need to start building more prisons STAT!

YES! Please! We want more prisons!

And more nuthouses! Take all the money that we were previously dumping into the Dept. of Education, and use it to build prisons and nutfarms.

You should heavily promote yourself as the voice of the American right wing. I think nothing sums up the fascism of the right than demanding more prisons to lock up your political opponents. But you might want to just call them "camps" - I think it'd make your point clearer.

Sieg Heil!

Hey, under your regime, the useful idiots just get killed outright, and the truly violent offenders given titles.

So mine is really the more gentle choice.

Neither you nor I have a "regime", clown shoes. Your fantasies of murdering your political opponents and sending them to camps are not indicative of a "regime", they're just the twisted and hateful delusions of an old hag who hates the world around her.

Your "regime" only exists in your mind, thankfully. But keep shouting it, please.

No, you had a regime. He's still doing his thing.

Psst...

Those blue areas account for more votes than the red areas

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Then by definition so would every sanctuary city and every state that has passed a marijuana law. If we did things your way we would need to start building more prisons STAT!

YES! Please! We want more prisons!

And more nuthouses! Take all the money that we were previously dumping into the Dept. of Education, and use it to build prisons and nutfarms.

You should heavily promote yourself as the voice of the American right wing. I think nothing sums up the fascism of the right than demanding more prisons to lock up your political opponents. But you might want to just call them "camps" - I think it'd make your point clearer.

Sieg Heil!

Hey, under your regime, the useful idiots just get killed outright, and the truly violent offenders given titles.

So mine is really the more gentle choice.

Neither you nor I have a "regime", clown shoes. Your fantasies of murdering your political opponents and sending them to camps are not indicative of a "regime", they're just the twisted and hateful delusions of an old hag who hates the world around her.

Your "regime" only exists in your mind, thankfully. But keep shouting it, please.

No, you had a regime. He's still doing his thing.

Psst...

You must be so proud that such large expanses of uninhabited desert voted for Herr Drumpfenfuerer. Maybe you can train some of those desert tortoises I keep hearing about to be your brownshirts.

As for "my regime" - I never voted for Obama.

But don't let truth stand in your way - who cares about truth when you've got hate?

 

[koshergrl]

YES! Please! We want more prisons!

And more nuthouses! Take all the money that we were previously dumping into the Dept. of Education, and use it to build prisons and nutfarms.

You should heavily promote yourself as the voice of the American right wing. I think nothing sums up the fascism of the right than demanding more prisons to lock up your political opponents. But you might want to just call them "camps" - I think it'd make your point clearer.

Sieg Heil!

Hey, under your regime, the useful idiots just get killed outright, and the truly violent offenders given titles.

So mine is really the more gentle choice.

Neither you nor I have a "regime", clown shoes. Your fantasies of murdering your political opponents and sending them to camps are not indicative of a "regime", they're just the twisted and hateful delusions of an old hag who hates the world around her.

Your "regime" only exists in your mind, thankfully. But keep shouting it, please.

No, you had a regime. He's still doing his thing.

Psst...

You must be so proud that such large expanses of uninhabited desert voted for Herr Drumpfenfuerer. Maybe you can train some of those desert tortoises I keep hearing about to be your brownshirts.

As for "my regime" - I never voted for Obama.

But don't let truth stand in your way - who cares about truth when you've got hate?

Psst...those tracts of land aren't uninhabited.

They're just not dominated by disgusting, criminal, communist pigs such as yourself.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You should heavily promote yourself as the voice of the American right wing. I think nothing sums up the fascism of the right than demanding more prisons to lock up your political opponents. But you might want to just call them "camps" - I think it'd make your point clearer.

Sieg Heil!

Hey, under your regime, the useful idiots just get killed outright, and the truly violent offenders given titles.

So mine is really the more gentle choice.

Neither you nor I have a "regime", clown shoes. Your fantasies of murdering your political opponents and sending them to camps are not indicative of a "regime", they're just the twisted and hateful delusions of an old hag who hates the world around her.

Your "regime" only exists in your mind, thankfully. But keep shouting it, please.

No, you had a regime. He's still doing his thing.

Psst...

You must be so proud that such large expanses of uninhabited desert voted for Herr Drumpfenfuerer. Maybe you can train some of those desert tortoises I keep hearing about to be your brownshirts.

As for "my regime" - I never voted for Obama.

But don't let truth stand in your way - who cares about truth when you've got hate?

Psst...those tracts of land aren't uninhabited.

They're just not dominated by disgusting, criminal, communist pigs such as yourself.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to keep your delusions alive.