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[Darkwind]

YOU are not defending a god-damned thing.

Rights are tangible things. To think otherwise is juvenile.

And how often do you train in urban guerrilla combat in preparation for the day when you will have to defend your tangible rights from the big evil Obama Marxist Sharia government?

If you don't comprehend it,then just say so. I've proven to you that the militia is not a requirement for the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[KNB]

*sigh*

Last post to you unless you come up with something more germane...

Either/or means that you would not be able to be in a militia AND retain the right to self defense....or you would retain the right to self defense but not be in a militia.

The actual Second Amendment prohibits none of the above. You CAN have weapons for self defense without giving up the other rights. You can have weapons to defend the State WITHOUT giving up any of the other rights. you can have weapons for hunting WITHOUT giving up any of the other rights.

In essence, you do NOT have to be in the militia to have the right to self defense.
You do not have to be in the militia to 'take game' or as we say today, hunt.
You do not have to have weapons for self defense in order to be in ONLY the militia.

and there is about 20 other permutations to what you don't have to give up simply because you are NOT in a militia.

That's one interpretation of it from someone who doesn't want to actually have to fight for their freedom.

I have served to protect My freedom and yours. Have you?

Please refrain from trying to think that you understand Me or what I have sacrificed in life to be where I am now.

Yes, I am a veteran, and that's why I know that the US military will roll over you gun owners in a heartbeat. You chimps aren't even on the same level as the Iraqi military and they fell in less than two weeks. You bitches don't even have the balls to play weekend warriors, let alone try to sustain a guerrilla revolution against your own government.

 

[kaz]

Every American should want to fight for their inherent rights and freedoms. It should be part of the very fabric of what makes you, YOU.

It's a losing effort, the majority voters are just concerned with what politicians promise to give them for nothing.

 

[williepete]

10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

LINK: Cornell Law
10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes | LII / Legal Information Institute

Militias and Community
by Robert Teesdale

The word "militia" is a loaded one.

What image does it conjure up? The most immediate image is that of a band of citizens with weapons.

Unfortunately, in the United States it also conjures up images of fringe groups - discontented citizens training in the mountains, filing liens against public officials and refusing to pay their taxes.

Organizations such as the Southern Poverty Law Center and Militia Watch keep tabs on racist or bigoted organizations, and include "militias" in their estimate of threats to common decency and the rule of law.

This is unfortunate.

While there is no question that the term "militia" has been, in many cases, appropriated by extremist groups and individuals - such appropriation does not, in any fashion, invalidate United States law.

We are all members of the Militia.

Here's the relevant section of the U.S. code - Title 10, Section 311:

Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes


(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are -


(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

In other words, you - as an able-bodied citizen of the United States - are a member of the unorganized militia.

What is the purpose of this?

The defense of community. The preservation of the rule of law when social services fail. The protection of the People from violence, tyranny, and other dangers in the face of either oppression or disaster. The keeping of the peace.

When a law enforcement officer requests that you come to his assistance, it is illegal to refuse in almost every jurisdiction of this nation. Properly so, for who would turn his back on a police officer struggling to arrest a criminal? Or fighting to save the life of an accident victim?

When you respond, you are acting as a militia member.

If there is an accident on the highway, with snarled traffic and wounded people - and you pull over to assist, to render aid and direct vehicles around the injured - you are doing that which common decency and a sense of community require.

You are acting as a militia member.

When you take a lost child by the hand and lead her to the information desk at the shopping mall; when you step from your storefront and tell a group of bullies to leave that poor kid alone; when you with your neighbors move a dead tree from the streets before your homes...

...you are the militia.

It matters not whether the call is that of a kitten in a tree, or the defense of your community and family against the predations of an arbitrary and outrageous government.

It is the spirit that moves us to plow our neighbor's driveway. It is the spirit that causes you to watch out for your friend's children. It is the spirit that motivates you to care, and to act in defense of those precious things that bind us all together as Americans.

It is the love of your fellow man.

And that, my friends, is the most honorable motivation of all.

Keep and Bear Arms - Gun Owners Home Page - 2nd Amendment Supporters

 

[The T]

I see thread after thread by Conservatives whining about Obama taking our rights and destroying American freedom, which proves that millions of well-regulated gun owners are nothing but a bunch of pussies.

In other words you give in to tyranny, and are quite comfortable with it as long as they throw YOU a bone once in awhile, correct?

 

[KNB]

Keep and bear arms for what end? Your government lies to you, spies on you, and will even kill you with a drone if they just THINK that you might take up arms against it as in the case of 17-yo Denver-born Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.

So what are you defending as part of the unorganized militia?

 

[Darkwind]

What I find crazy about conversations like this is that every once in a while, you run across someone who is being blatantly dishonest, or criminally uninformed.

I discuss rights and liberties and freedoms a lot on these forums, and for the most part, I find that the progressives are just wrong. Mostly in their belief on how to deliver these rights and liberties and freedoms.

However, I think that many of them (certainly not all) deep down believe they are furthering the American fabric of freedom and liberty. While I can (and often do) vehemently disagree with their notions, I can deep down, respect the fact that they are doing it because they are American. That in the very wellspring of their souls, they feel the pull of what America stands for.

Then there are some who, like KNB, really just don't get it and I read the posts he/she makes and I don't feel that deep down belief that they are doing what they think is right for America.

Certianly, there are those who are opposed to the Second, but not out of sheer cowardice, or fear, or a desire to rob fellow Americans of their ability to protect their families and loved ones.

Sorry KNB...but I just don't get any of that from you and as such...I think you and I won't be interacting ever again.

 

[Brain357]

I see thread after thread by Conservatives whining about Obama taking our rights and destroying American freedom, which proves that millions of well-regulated gun owners are nothing but a bunch of pussies.

In other words you give in to tyranny, and are quite comfortable with it as long as they throw YOU a bone once in awhile, correct?

No I think he was saying that gun owners don't do anything but own guns, and pretend that is for some reason patriotic.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

He could have sold a gun to someone with a criminal record.

There could be fairies that fly around at night.

 

[KNB]

I see thread after thread by Conservatives whining about Obama taking our rights and destroying American freedom, which proves that millions of well-regulated gun owners are nothing but a bunch of pussies.

In other words you give in to tyranny, and are quite comfortable with it as long as they throw YOU a bone once in awhile, correct?

Yeah, dingleberry. That's right. I'm a disabled veteran who has to smoke weed every day or collapse from a violent seizure. The government determined before I was even born that marijuana is not medicine, and yet here I am using it as medicine because the legal pills that I was on didn't do anything at all except give me terrible nightmares.

I'm perfectly okay with the government kicking in my front door and shoving a gun to my head for growing my own medicine, while right-wing gun owners cheer on the big government for taking away my rights.

Fuck yourself deep and hard with your AR-15.

 

[Darkwind]

That's one interpretation of it from someone who doesn't want to actually have to fight for their freedom.

I have served to protect My freedom and yours. Have you?

Please refrain from trying to think that you understand Me or what I have sacrificed in life to be where I am now.

Yes, I am a veteran, and that's why I know that the US military will roll over you gun owners in a heartbeat. You chimps aren't even on the same level as the Iraqi military and they fell in less than two weeks. You bitches don't even have the balls to play weekend warriors, let alone try to sustain a guerrilla revolution against your own government.

Dumb fuck...They said the same thing in 1770....how'd that work out for you? American's don't lay down and they don't quit.

The military won't follow illegal orders to kill an uprising civilian revolt. They have standing orders to preserve the Constitution and let the civilian government and citizenry hash it out.

Beside, how can you have served and then sneer at a 50 million + army?

Goodbye.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Yes which is why you have so many shootings, because crazy fucks are allowed to buy guns.

Nope. Entirely incorrect. There are too many gang thug inner city types that run rampant with stolen weapons that skew the numbers. Youre just all to willing to implicate the law abiding citizen.

 

[The T]

I see thread after thread by Conservatives whining about Obama taking our rights and destroying American freedom, which proves that millions of well-regulated gun owners are nothing but a bunch of pussies.

In other words you give in to tyranny, and are quite comfortable with it as long as they throw YOU a bone once in awhile, correct?

No I think he was saying that gun owners don't do anything but own guns, and pretend that is for some reason patriotic.

Fair enough, but then what is defending liberty but patriotic. and natural?

 

[Darkwind]

I see thread after thread by Conservatives whining about Obama taking our rights and destroying American freedom, which proves that millions of well-regulated gun owners are nothing but a bunch of pussies.

In other words you give in to tyranny, and are quite comfortable with it as long as they throw YOU a bone once in awhile, correct?

No I think he was saying that gun owners don't do anything but own guns, and pretend that is for some reason patriotic.

You don't know many gun owners, do you?

 

[KNB]

Let me clarify....

I don't oppose the 2nd amendment. I oppose gun-owning pussies who claim to be defenders of freedom while cheering as their government tortures POWs to death in secret prisons during an endless war that has been repeatedly proven to be based on lies.

 

[The T]

I see thread after thread by Conservatives whining about Obama taking our rights and destroying American freedom, which proves that millions of well-regulated gun owners are nothing but a bunch of pussies.

In other words you give in to tyranny, and are quite comfortable with it as long as they throw YOU a bone once in awhile, correct?

Yeah, dingleberry. That's right. I'm a disabled veteran who has to smoke weed every day or collapse from a violent seizure. The government determined before I was even born that marijuana is not medicine, and yet here I am using it as medicine because the legal pills that I was on didn't do anything at all except give me terrible nightmares.

I'm perfectly okay with the government kicking in my front door and shoving a gun to my head for growing my own medicine, while right-wing gun owners cheer on the big government for taking away my rights.

Fuck yourself deep and hard with your AR-15.

All that animosity for POT? Really?

 

[Darkwind]

10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

LINK: Cornell Law
10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes | LII / Legal Information Institute

Militias and Community
by Robert Teesdale

The word "militia" is a loaded one.

What image does it conjure up? The most immediate image is that of a band of citizens with weapons.

Unfortunately, in the United States it also conjures up images of fringe groups - discontented citizens training in the mountains, filing liens against public officials and refusing to pay their taxes.

Organizations such as the Southern Poverty Law Center and Militia Watch keep tabs on racist or bigoted organizations, and include "militias" in their estimate of threats to common decency and the rule of law.

This is unfortunate.

While there is no question that the term "militia" has been, in many cases, appropriated by extremist groups and individuals - such appropriation does not, in any fashion, invalidate United States law.

We are all members of the Militia.

Here's the relevant section of the U.S. code - Title 10, Section 311:

Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes


(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are -


(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

In other words, you - as an able-bodied citizen of the United States - are a member of the unorganized militia.

What is the purpose of this?

The defense of community. The preservation of the rule of law when social services fail. The protection of the People from violence, tyranny, and other dangers in the face of either oppression or disaster. The keeping of the peace.

When a law enforcement officer requests that you come to his assistance, it is illegal to refuse in almost every jurisdiction of this nation. Properly so, for who would turn his back on a police officer struggling to arrest a criminal? Or fighting to save the life of an accident victim?

When you respond, you are acting as a militia member.

If there is an accident on the highway, with snarled traffic and wounded people - and you pull over to assist, to render aid and direct vehicles around the injured - you are doing that which common decency and a sense of community require.

You are acting as a militia member.

When you take a lost child by the hand and lead her to the information desk at the shopping mall; when you step from your storefront and tell a group of bullies to leave that poor kid alone; when you with your neighbors move a dead tree from the streets before your homes...

...you are the militia.

It matters not whether the call is that of a kitten in a tree, or the defense of your community and family against the predations of an arbitrary and outrageous government.

It is the spirit that moves us to plow our neighbor's driveway. It is the spirit that causes you to watch out for your friend's children. It is the spirit that motivates you to care, and to act in defense of those precious things that bind us all together as Americans.

It is the love of your fellow man.

And that, my friends, is the most honorable motivation of all.

Keep and Bear Arms - Gun Owners Home Page - 2nd Amendment Supporters

How is Robert these days? He and I are friends from way back on the old defunct MSNBC boards.

 

[The T]

I have served to protect My freedom and yours. Have you?

Please refrain from trying to think that you understand Me or what I have sacrificed in life to be where I am now.

Yes, I am a veteran, and that's why I know that the US military will roll over you gun owners in a heartbeat. You chimps aren't even on the same level as the Iraqi military and they fell in less than two weeks. You bitches don't even have the balls to play weekend warriors, let alone try to sustain a guerrilla revolution against your own government.

Dumb fuck...They said the same thing in 1770....how'd that work out for you? American's don't lay down and they don't quit.

The military won't follow illegal orders to kill an uprising civilian revolt. They have standing orders to preserve the Constitution and let the civilian government and citizenry hash it out.

Beside, how can you have served and then sneer at a 50 million + army?

Goodbye.

Obviously never understood the oath military members take to protect and defend The Constitution.

 

[Brain357]

In other words you give in to tyranny, and are quite comfortable with it as long as they throw YOU a bone once in awhile, correct?

No I think he was saying that gun owners don't do anything but own guns, and pretend that is for some reason patriotic.

You don't know many gun owners, do you?

I know a lot. Sorry but just owning a gun is not patriotic. Was the mother of Adam Lanza patriotic? Her gun ownership led to how many innocent people dying?

 

[jon_berzerk]

Their customer reviews are stunning

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lol

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