Felon who sold illegal rifle to gang gets bail on gun charge, this is the problem, not guns...

[Skull Pilot]

If you are a felon, it is.

if that were the case, anyone who has previous felony convictions could be denied bail on that basis alone, no matter the charge. The bail does seem a bit low, though. It could be that he has had dealings with this particular court before, and had honored his bail on another charge.

We aren't talking a felon for bank fraud, we are talking a violent felon with an illegal gun...

You keep posting crap that is not in your links!

How do you know he was a violent felon?

Here you go.....he was convicted of First Degree Murder...that is just one of his convictions....he was also caught in an undercover sting where he admitted on video of supplying the weapons used to shoot police officers.....


This is why he should not be let out on bail......
Judge asked to reconsider bond for man who allegedly sold rifle used in cop shooting

So, why wasn't he charged with supplying the rifle?

We now know that he was convicted of 1st degree murder in 1996 and sentenced to 30 years. Why wasn't he still in jail?

Because we don't keep violent pieces of shit in jail we let them out and then blame law abiding gun owners when said pieces of shit commit more crimes

 

[Skull Pilot]

He is a felon caught in possession of a stolen gun...that is grounds to keep him without bail...past record, the serious nature of the crime....

Where did it say the gun was stolen? I must have missed that.

Regardless, simply being in possession of a firearm is not just cause for no bail. I doubt many judges would deny bail on something that relatively small.

Besides, he could just appeal to a higher court and get bail. You did review the 8th Amendment, right?

If you are a convicted felon and you are in possession of a gun you are indeed committing yet another felony.

No Bail. Long sentence. No parole. PERIOD.

8th Amendment. Try him first before sentencing him. There is no parole in the federal system. Comma.

Try again!

Yeah it'll be really tough to convict him for being a felon and carrying a gun. Since he has already been convicted of a felony and is a repeat offender there should be no bail. When he is tried and convicted then he should get 30 years no early release

Just because there is no parole in the federal system does not mean piece of shit criminals serve their entire sentence

Federal prisoners are required to serve 85% of their sentence.

and does 85% = 100% ?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I take it you are advocating denying his bail because of a crime with which he has not been charged?

I suggest reviewing the 8th Amendment before pontificating further.

He is a felon caught in possession of a stolen gun...that is grounds to keep him without bail...past record, the serious nature of the crime....

Where did it say the gun was stolen? I must have missed that.

Regardless, simply being in possession of a firearm is not just cause for no bail. I doubt many judges would deny bail on something that relatively small.

Besides, he could just appeal to a higher court and get bail. You did review the 8th Amendment, right?

If you are a convicted felon and you are in possession of a gun you are indeed committing yet another felony.

No Bail. Long sentence. No parole. PERIOD.

8th Amendment. Try him first before sentencing him. There is no parole in the federal system. Comma.

Try again!

Sorry....you are wrong...this guy is an obvious danger to his community...

This is why he should not be let out on bail......
Judge asked to reconsider bond for man who allegedly sold rifle used in cop shooting

Williams was convicted in 1998 of first-degree murder and sentenced to 30 years in Illinois state prison, according to the complaint. Details of that crime were not immediately available.


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In the filing Friday, prosecutors alleged Williams acknowledged in an interview with federal agents after his arrest that he'd provided semi-automatic rifles to members of the La Raza gang to use in its ongoing war with rival Hispanic gangs on the city's South and West sides.

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"I did know someone who could use these (expletive) rifles," Williams told agents, according to a transcript provided in the filing. "These dudes coming over here every (expletive) day with rifles. ... But that was the thought process."

Prosecutors said the interview showed the danger Williams posed to the public.

"Arming his neighbors in an ongoing gang war, tolerating the killing of individuals, including innocent children, as the cost of doing business, and exhibiting concern only when he suspects that he may be arrested, demonstrates that (Williams) has no respect for the law," Assistant U.S. Attorney Kavitha Babu wrote.

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The federal complaint against Williams alleges he sold a 9 mm pistol last month to an undercover ATF informant. Agents were watching as Williams pulled his Nissan into a La Grange parking garage, popped the trunk and handed the informant a white plastic bag containing the weapon.

"It's been fired, but it didn't get fired at nothing," Williams allegedly told the informant, who was wearing a hidden wire. "I shot it at a (gun) range."

The informant told agents that he previously traded the same gun to Williams for about $350 worth of cocaine, according to the complaint.

Thank you for posting the updated link with answers to many questions you did not have originally.

Something is rotten in Denmark,

 

[2aguy]

first and foremost....if the guy is too dangerous to have a gun in his possession, he is too dangerous to not be in jail. Secondly, bail is just money to insure one shows up for court. Unless he has shown signs that he wont show for court, being that until such time as he is convicted in court, he is still an innocent man intheeyes of the law, it is going to be hard for said court to legitamately deny him bail.

No...he isn't an innocent man, he is a convicted felon....likely with a long criminal history which means he is a menace to his community which has has shown by being caught with an illegal gun......

in the bill of rights, it doesnt state that a previous conviction, even a violent one, in and of itself, is grounds for denying bail. the prosecution had the opportunity to argue against him getting bail, also. and as far as his innocence, on THESE charges, under the law, he is innocent till the verdict comes back or he enters a guilty plea. no matter how cut and dry a case is, until that verdict is rendered, every defendant is innocent. and possessing a gun in and of itself does not make one a menace, its what the person DOES with the gun that makes them a menace. In fact in some states, including here in the great state of Texas, a felony conviction isnt a lifetime bar on firearms ownership.

We aren't talking about an embezzler getting his gun rights back, this guy was convicted of murder in 1998 and was supposed to be serving a 30 year sentence......

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Where did it say the gun was stolen? I must have missed that.

Regardless, simply being in possession of a firearm is not just cause for no bail. I doubt many judges would deny bail on something that relatively small.

Besides, he could just appeal to a higher court and get bail. You did review the 8th Amendment, right?

If you are a convicted felon and you are in possession of a gun you are indeed committing yet another felony.

No Bail. Long sentence. No parole. PERIOD.

8th Amendment. Try him first before sentencing him. There is no parole in the federal system. Comma.

Try again!

Yeah it'll be really tough to convict him for being a felon and carrying a gun. Since he has already been convicted of a felony and is a repeat offender there should be no bail. When he is tried and convicted then he should get 30 years no early release

Just because there is no parole in the federal system does not mean piece of shit criminals serve their entire sentence

Federal prisoners are required to serve 85% of their sentence.

and does 85% = 100% ?

No, but it doesn't equal 66% either. This guy is out for a reason that has not been explained.

 

[bitter clinging swiftie]

if that were the case, anyone who has previous felony convictions could be denied bail on that basis alone, no matter the charge. The bail does seem a bit low, though. It could be that he has had dealings with this particular court before, and had honored his bail on another charge.

We aren't talking a felon for bank fraud, we are talking a violent felon with an illegal gun...

You keep posting crap that is not in your links!

How do you know he was a violent felon?

Here you go.....he was convicted of First Degree Murder...that is just one of his convictions....he was also caught in an undercover sting where he admitted on video of supplying the weapons used to shoot police officers.....


This is why he should not be let out on bail......
Judge asked to reconsider bond for man who allegedly sold rifle used in cop shooting

So, why wasn't he charged with supplying the rifle?

We now know that he was convicted of 1st degree murder in 1996 and sentenced to 30 years. Why wasn't he still in jail?

Because we don't keep violent pieces of shit in jail we let them out and then blame law abiding gun owners when said pieces of shit commit more crimes

and its by design, not accident or happenstance. Ive seen some epople get more time for possessing an "illegal" firearm than for committing a violent act.

 

[bitter clinging swiftie]

first and foremost....if the guy is too dangerous to have a gun in his possession, he is too dangerous to not be in jail. Secondly, bail is just money to insure one shows up for court. Unless he has shown signs that he wont show for court, being that until such time as he is convicted in court, he is still an innocent man intheeyes of the law, it is going to be hard for said court to legitamately deny him bail.

No...he isn't an innocent man, he is a convicted felon....likely with a long criminal history which means he is a menace to his community which has has shown by being caught with an illegal gun......

in the bill of rights, it doesnt state that a previous conviction, even a violent one, in and of itself, is grounds for denying bail. the prosecution had the opportunity to argue against him getting bail, also. and as far as his innocence, on THESE charges, under the law, he is innocent till the verdict comes back or he enters a guilty plea. no matter how cut and dry a case is, until that verdict is rendered, every defendant is innocent. and possessing a gun in and of itself does not make one a menace, its what the person DOES with the gun that makes them a menace. In fact in some states, including here in the great state of Texas, a felony conviction isnt a lifetime bar on firearms ownership.

We aren't talking about an embezzler getting his gun rights back, this guy was convicted of murder in 1998 and was supposed to be serving a 30 year sentence......

the guy shouldnt be out of jail period.............whatever else you and I might not see eye to eye on, I would be willing to bet both of us dont think cold blooded killers need to be released from jail early.

 

[2aguy]

first and foremost....if the guy is too dangerous to have a gun in his possession, he is too dangerous to not be in jail. Secondly, bail is just money to insure one shows up for court. Unless he has shown signs that he wont show for court, being that until such time as he is convicted in court, he is still an innocent man intheeyes of the law, it is going to be hard for said court to legitamately deny him bail.

No...he isn't an innocent man, he is a convicted felon....likely with a long criminal history which means he is a menace to his community which has has shown by being caught with an illegal gun......

in the bill of rights, it doesnt state that a previous conviction, even a violent one, in and of itself, is grounds for denying bail. the prosecution had the opportunity to argue against him getting bail, also. and as far as his innocence, on THESE charges, under the law, he is innocent till the verdict comes back or he enters a guilty plea. no matter how cut and dry a case is, until that verdict is rendered, every defendant is innocent. and possessing a gun in and of itself does not make one a menace, its what the person DOES with the gun that makes them a menace. In fact in some states, including here in the great state of Texas, a felony conviction isnt a lifetime bar on firearms ownership.

We aren't talking about an embezzler getting his gun rights back, this guy was convicted of murder in 1998 and was supposed to be serving a 30 year sentence......

the guy shouldnt be out of jail period.............whatever else you and I might not see eye to eye on, I would be willing to bet both of us dont think cold blooded killers need to be released from jail early.

Yes......he should have had life in prison on the murder conviction. But this guy is why we have gun crime in Chicago, not the law abiding gun owners who aren't using their guns for rape, robbery and murder....

 

[bitter clinging swiftie]

first and foremost....if the guy is too dangerous to have a gun in his possession, he is too dangerous to not be in jail. Secondly, bail is just money to insure one shows up for court. Unless he has shown signs that he wont show for court, being that until such time as he is convicted in court, he is still an innocent man intheeyes of the law, it is going to be hard for said court to legitamately deny him bail.

No...he isn't an innocent man, he is a convicted felon....likely with a long criminal history which means he is a menace to his community which has has shown by being caught with an illegal gun......

in the bill of rights, it doesnt state that a previous conviction, even a violent one, in and of itself, is grounds for denying bail. the prosecution had the opportunity to argue against him getting bail, also. and as far as his innocence, on THESE charges, under the law, he is innocent till the verdict comes back or he enters a guilty plea. no matter how cut and dry a case is, until that verdict is rendered, every defendant is innocent. and possessing a gun in and of itself does not make one a menace, its what the person DOES with the gun that makes them a menace. In fact in some states, including here in the great state of Texas, a felony conviction isnt a lifetime bar on firearms ownership.

We aren't talking about an embezzler getting his gun rights back, this guy was convicted of murder in 1998 and was supposed to be serving a 30 year sentence......

the guy shouldnt be out of jail period.............whatever else you and I might not see eye to eye on, I would be willing to bet both of us dont think cold blooded killers need to be released from jail early.

Yes......he should have had life in prison on the murder conviction. But this guy is why we have gun crime in Chicago, not the law abiding gun owners who aren't using their guns for rape, robbery and murder....

or an even better outcome could be one of his would be victims exercising their second amendment right to ventilate him.
hey look, I dont have a lot of boo hoos for the type of people who make a living victimizing others.
even if he didnt get life, he should have had to serve the thirty years he got, and if he was released early at all, it should have been to some semi-institituional thing like a half way house.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I take it you are advocating denying his bail because of a crime with which he has not been charged?

I suggest reviewing the 8th Amendment before pontificating further.

He is a felon caught in possession of a stolen gun...that is grounds to keep him without bail...past record, the serious nature of the crime....

Where did it say the gun was stolen? I must have missed that.

Regardless, simply being in possession of a firearm is not just cause for no bail. I doubt many judges would deny bail on something that relatively small.

Besides, he could just appeal to a higher court and get bail. You did review the 8th Amendment, right?

If you are a convicted felon and you are in possession of a gun you are indeed committing yet another felony.

No Bail. Long sentence. No parole. PERIOD.

He was sentenced to 30 years on First Degree Murder in 1998 and is somehow back on the streets......selling illegal guns to gangs......

That is the problem in Chicago...not law abiding gun owners...

1st degree murder should be automatic life no parole.

You do realize that 1st degree murder varies from state to state. If that is not the case in your state, fix it!

 

[Skull Pilot]

If you are a convicted felon and you are in possession of a gun you are indeed committing yet another felony.

No Bail. Long sentence. No parole. PERIOD.

8th Amendment. Try him first before sentencing him. There is no parole in the federal system. Comma.

Try again!

Yeah it'll be really tough to convict him for being a felon and carrying a gun. Since he has already been convicted of a felony and is a repeat offender there should be no bail. When he is tried and convicted then he should get 30 years no early release

Just because there is no parole in the federal system does not mean piece of shit criminals serve their entire sentence

Federal prisoners are required to serve 85% of their sentence.

and does 85% = 100% ?

No, but it doesn't equal 66% either. This guy is out for a reason that has not been explained.

Our backwards prison system that treats nonviolent offenders worse murderers

 

[Skull Pilot]

He is a felon caught in possession of a stolen gun...that is grounds to keep him without bail...past record, the serious nature of the crime....

Where did it say the gun was stolen? I must have missed that.

Regardless, simply being in possession of a firearm is not just cause for no bail. I doubt many judges would deny bail on something that relatively small.

Besides, he could just appeal to a higher court and get bail. You did review the 8th Amendment, right?

If you are a convicted felon and you are in possession of a gun you are indeed committing yet another felony.

No Bail. Long sentence. No parole. PERIOD.

He was sentenced to 30 years on First Degree Murder in 1998 and is somehow back on the streets......selling illegal guns to gangs......

That is the problem in Chicago...not law abiding gun owners...

1st degree murder should be automatic life no parole.

You do realize that 1st degree murder varies from state to state. If that is not the case in your state, fix it!

Yes some states are better than others but what's that got to do with the idea that all first degree murderers should get a life sentence.

But for some reason people today think that a fucking killer should be let back out on the streets.

Herein lies the problem we do not have the will to lock up violent offenders for long sentences then when they get out and commit yet more violent crimes there's all kinds of hand wringing and we try to prevent crime by restricting the rights of those who obey the law

 

[Skull Pilot]

first and foremost....if the guy is too dangerous to have a gun in his possession, he is too dangerous to not be in jail. Secondly, bail is just money to insure one shows up for court. Unless he has shown signs that he wont show for court, being that until such time as he is convicted in court, he is still an innocent man intheeyes of the law, it is going to be hard for said court to legitamately deny him bail.

No...he isn't an innocent man, he is a convicted felon....likely with a long criminal history which means he is a menace to his community which has has shown by being caught with an illegal gun......

in the bill of rights, it doesnt state that a previous conviction, even a violent one, in and of itself, is grounds for denying bail. the prosecution had the opportunity to argue against him getting bail, also. and as far as his innocence, on THESE charges, under the law, he is innocent till the verdict comes back or he enters a guilty plea. no matter how cut and dry a case is, until that verdict is rendered, every defendant is innocent. and possessing a gun in and of itself does not make one a menace, its what the person DOES with the gun that makes them a menace. In fact in some states, including here in the great state of Texas, a felony conviction isnt a lifetime bar on firearms ownership.

We aren't talking about an embezzler getting his gun rights back, this guy was convicted of murder in 1998 and was supposed to be serving a 30 year sentence......

the guy shouldnt be out of jail period.............whatever else you and I might not see eye to eye on, I would be willing to bet both of us dont think cold blooded killers need to be released from jail early.

they shouldn't be released at all

 

[JimBowie1958]

1st degree murder should be automatic life no parole.

No, it should be an automatic hanging.....after a fair trial of course.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You do realize that 1st degree murder varies from state to state. If that is not the case in your state, fix it!

But 'fixing' Ill-noise is a Herculean task.

Maybe it would be better to dismember it and pretend it never happened?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You do realize that 1st degree murder varies from state to state. If that is not the case in your state, fix it!

But 'fixing' Ill-noise is a Herculean task.

Maybe it would be better to dismember it and pretend it never happened?

There is another solution: Move!

 

[JimBowie1958]

But 'fixing' Ill-noise is a Herculean task.
Maybe it would be better to dismember it and pretend it never happened?

There is another solution: Move!

The citizens of Ill-noise have the right to dismantle that abomination if they choose to, and I would encourage them.

They dont need washed up old never-has-beens telling them to move, dude.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

But 'fixing' Ill-noise is a Herculean task.
Maybe it would be better to dismember it and pretend it never happened?

There is another solution: Move!

The citizens of Ill-noise have the right to dismantle that abomination if they choose to, and I would encourage them.

They dont need washed up old never-has-beens telling them to move, dude.

No. The citizens of of Ill-noise are forever outnumbered by the utter filth that resides in the northeastern part of the state called Chick-a-go-go. They are slaves to the illegals, welfare queens and gangbangers of Cook County and the vicinity.

I used to live there. I moved.

 

[JimBowie1958]

No. The citizens of of Ill-noise are forever outnumbered by the utter filth that resides in the northeastern part of the state called Chick-a-go-go. They are slaves to the illegals, welfare queens and gangbangers of Cook County and the vicinity.

I used to live there. I moved.

And as more decent people abandon that Shit-hole, the population dwindles and rural people become a stronger faction and....they vote for Trump! TA-DAH!

Dont be so pessimistic, man.

The sun will rise tomorrow, at least that is what this little urchin told me.