FEMA Deceives Nation About Twin Towers Core

[Albury Smith]

I know that and they are used to try and keep a secret. Your job, if you choose to protect the Constitution is find INDEPENDENT EVIDENCE showing that the NIST report is correct in its structural basis.

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Why don't you prove that anything in it is wrong? You're not doing too well so far.

I'm proving that every time it mentions "core column" it is wrong.

Here is an image showing the 3" high tensile steel rebar that was in the concrete core walls surrounding the core area.

This was revealed after the structural steel "spire" fell.

You can plainly see the arc of the fine vertical elements in the top photo. That is because they are so small. You can plainly see the size of the structural steel which was taken from the same camera seconds before. You can see that the top photo depicts something far too small to be structural steel.

That can only be rebar and it proves that there was concrete, PARTICULARLY when other images that can only show concrete are posted as well.

NOTE: The core area right of the rebar is EMPTY.

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So the concrete was all mysteriously blown away by the "explosives," but the "3-inch rebar" is still standing? Here's a Google search for rebar sizes:
rebar sizes - Google Search
Any thoughts on why the largest diameter listed in the first half dozen hits is only 2.257"?

 

[Christophera]

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Why don't you prove that anything in it is wrong? You're not doing too well so far.

I'm proving that every time it mentions "core column" it is wrong.

Here is an image showing the 3" high tensile steel rebar that was in the concrete core walls surrounding the core area.

This was revealed after the structural steel "spire" fell.

You can plainly see the arc of the fine vertical elements in the top photo. That is because they are so small. You can plainly see the size of the structural steel which was taken from the same camera seconds before. You can see that the top photo depicts something far too small to be structural steel.

That can only be rebar and it proves that there was concrete, PARTICULARLY when other images that can only show concrete are posted as well.

NOTE: The core area right of the rebar is EMPTY.

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So the concrete was all mysteriously blown away by the "explosives," but the "3-inch rebar" is still standing? Here's a Google search for rebar sizes:
rebar sizes - Google Search
Any thoughts on why the largest diameter listed in the first half dozen hits is only 2.257"?

You haven't been reading. The rebar was custom ordered from a DOD steel mill.

I can explain why the rebar is there but that is getting off topic. The fact is that it IS there and it cannot be anything else but rebar and concrete is corroborated many other times with images from 9-11.

Here is an image showing the WTC 1 north core base wall which was 12 feet thick. Note the 3x7 foot utility connection hallway running the length of the wall section that has daylight shining through it.

Are you interested in protecting the US Constitution?

 

[DiveCon]

I'm proving that every time it mentions "core column" it is wrong.

Here is an image showing the 3" high tensile steel rebar that was in the concrete core walls surrounding the core area.

This was revealed after the structural steel "spire" fell.

You can plainly see the arc of the fine vertical elements in the top photo. That is because they are so small. You can plainly see the size of the structural steel which was taken from the same camera seconds before. You can see that the top photo depicts something far too small to be structural steel.

That can only be rebar and it proves that there was concrete, PARTICULARLY when other images that can only show concrete are posted as well.

NOTE: The core area right of the rebar is EMPTY.

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So the concrete was all mysteriously blown away by the "explosives," but the "3-inch rebar" is still standing? Here's a Google search for rebar sizes:
rebar sizes - Google Search
Any thoughts on why the largest diameter listed in the first half dozen hits is only 2.257"?

You haven't been reading. The rebar was custom ordered from a DOD steel mill.

I can explain why the rebar is there but that is getting off topic. The fact is that it IS there and it cannot be anything else but rebar and concrete is corroborated many other times with images from 9-11.

Here is an image showing the WTC 1 north core base wall which was 12 feet thick. Note the 3x7 foot utility connection hallway running the length of the wall section that has daylight shining through it.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1.core.wall.base.annot4.jpg

Are you interested in protecting the US Constitution?

are you positive what you are calling concrete actually IS?
you should be able to show it from photos during construction

 

[Christophera]

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So the concrete was all mysteriously blown away by the "explosives," but the "3-inch rebar" is still standing? Here's a Google search for rebar sizes:
rebar sizes - Google Search
Any thoughts on why the largest diameter listed in the first half dozen hits is only 2.257"?

You haven't been reading. The rebar was custom ordered from a DOD steel mill.

I can explain why the rebar is there but that is getting off topic. The fact is that it IS there and it cannot be anything else but rebar and concrete is corroborated many other times with images from 9-11.

Here is an image showing the WTC 1 north core base wall which was 12 feet thick. Note the 3x7 foot utility connection hallway running the length of the wall section that has daylight shining through it.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1.core.wall.base.annot4.jpg

Are you interested in protecting the US Constitution?

are you positive what you are calling concrete actually IS?
you should be able to show it from photos during construction

All of the photos were filtered of those showing concrete before 9-11.

The fact is that IF the steel core columns existed in the core, YOU should be able to show them in the core area on 9-11. I show the core, over and over, to be empty on 9-11 AND I show concrete walls surrounding it.

The west core wall, narrow end, of WTC 1 looking south along the line of the wall. The core area to the left is empty.

Looking past WTC 7 from the north east to the south west at the spire. The concrete wall sihouettes the interior box columns.

 

[DiveCon]

what you are seeing there is most likely the outter shell
not the core

 

[Christophera]

what you are seeing there is most likely the outter shell
not the core

What you refer to is called the "perimeter walls" and they are obvious, they look like this. The perimeter box columns are 14x14" and 22" apart.

This, is obviously NOT the perimeter wall. The interior box columns are 20 feet apart.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Imagine this. You take a glass and freeze it. Not dip just the end into hot water. Snap!

That's what brought the towers down. Some areas were at room temperature, others at 600 to 800 degrees. The areas of intense heat brought about by 30,000 liters of jet fuel, caused the building to "buckle" between areas of low temperature and super high temperature. It's like the most basic physics and so easy to reproduce with stuff in your kitchen.

So often, the simplest explanation is the correct one.

This is not a thread about what happened or how it happened. This is a thread about a simple deception by FEMA of the agency conducting an analysis of a structure that was supposed to have collapsed.

The deception invalidates the analysis.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I could understand Christophera's argument that the NIST findings were unlawful IF he could provide evidence that the NIST willfully misrepresented facts

and findings but I am having a hard time understanding what is unconstitutional if he is correct.

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He's not correct; it's that simple.

The only concrete above grade in the towers was the floor slabs. The cores had walls constructed of thick gypsum planks, and they had no structural value at all.

deception and lies put out by the truthers is really just par for the course.


sigh

 

[Christophera]

Imagine this. You take a glass and freeze it. Not dip just the end into hot water. Snap!

That's what brought the towers down. Some areas were at room temperature, others at 600 to 800 degrees. The areas of intense heat brought about by 30,000 liters of jet fuel, caused the building to "buckle" between areas of low temperature and super high temperature. It's like the most basic physics and so easy to reproduce with stuff in your kitchen.

So often, the simplest explanation is the correct one.

This is not a thread about what happened or how it happened. This is a thread about a simple deception by FEMA of the agency conducting an analysis of a structure that was supposed to have collapsed.

The deception invalidates the analysis.

You have no evidence but think that evidence is cuckoo? You provide no reasoning.

Do you support the US Constitution or would you rather see the rights and freedoms of Americans disappear?

 

[kwc57]

FEMA decieved NIST about the structural design of the Twin Towers core. Accordingly, the "cause of death" in 3,000 murders is invaildated.

The supposed 47 steel core columns did not exists and are never seen on 9-11 in the core area. Construction photos are use to misrepresent the elevator guide rail support steel as "core columns".

Elevator guide rail support steel is easily identified by the "butt plate" used to join the support steel together and accomodate shifting and tiltin the new section to provide perfect plumb alignment for the elevator guide rail.

Left and right of the central crane are support steel with butt plates in the core area at the 5th floor.

Are there enough people here to support 15 posts before I can post evidence?

This just in........Obama might not be an American citizen. You might wat to look into it as well.

 

[Christophera]

I could understand Christophera's argument that the NIST findings were unlawful IF he could provide evidence that the NIST willfully misrepresented facts

and findings but I am having a hard time understanding what is unconstitutional if he is correct.

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He's not correct; it's that simple.

The only concrete above grade in the towers was the floor slabs. The cores had walls constructed of thick gypsum planks, and they had no structural value at all.

deception and lies put out by the truthers is really just par for the course.


sigh

Your response is incompetent because no evidence of the supposed core is provided. Posted evidence shows an empty core area.

You do not appear to support truth and justice at all as you refuse to observe evidence and have none.

Are you working for the demise of the Constitution?

 

[DiveCon]

here is a better shot of what you are seeing

 

[Christophera]

FEMA decieved NIST about the structural design of the Twin Towers core. Accordingly, the "cause of death" in 3,000 murders is invaildated.

The supposed 47 steel core columns did not exists and are never seen on 9-11 in the core area. Construction photos are use to misrepresent the elevator guide rail support steel as "core columns".

Elevator guide rail support steel is easily identified by the "butt plate" used to join the support steel together and accomodate shifting and tiltin the new section to provide perfect plumb alignment for the elevator guide rail.

Left and right of the central crane are support steel with butt plates in the core area at the 5th floor.

Are there enough people here to support 15 posts before I can post evidence?

This just in........Obama might not be an American citizen. You might wat to look into it as well.

I agree, but this topic prempts that and without resolution to this issue, the impetus will never be found to correct the matter. Without that resolution , there will be no rule of law, no matter where one is born.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

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He's not correct; it's that simple.

The only concrete above grade in the towers was the floor slabs. The cores had walls constructed of thick gypsum planks, and they had no structural value at all.

deception and lies put out by the truthers is really just par for the course.


sigh

Your response is incompetent because no evidence of the supposed core is provided. Posted evidence shows an empty core area.

You do not appear to support truth and justice at all as you refuse to observe evidence and have none.

Are you working for the demise of the Constitution?

circle jerk alert!

 

[Christophera]

here is a better shot of what you are seeing

You have not stated that you seek to protect the US Consitution and your photo is NOT better than the closer photo of the core wall at its base.

You have not stated you are here to protec the Constitution so your efforts to substitute a poorer quality view of the WTC 1 core is taken as the act of one working against truth and justice or preservation of the Constitution.

 

[DiveCon]

how many times do you have to be told that this is NOT a constitutional matter
nothing in this violates the constitution
you just want to see something that wasnt there

 

[Albury Smith]

I'm proving that every time it mentions "core column" it is wrong.

Here is an image showing the 3" high tensile steel rebar that was in the concrete core walls surrounding the core area.

This was revealed after the structural steel "spire" fell.

You can plainly see the arc of the fine vertical elements in the top photo. That is because they are so small. You can plainly see the size of the structural steel which was taken from the same camera seconds before. You can see that the top photo depicts something far too small to be structural steel.

That can only be rebar and it proves that there was concrete, PARTICULARLY when other images that can only show concrete are posted as well.

NOTE: The core area right of the rebar is EMPTY.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So the concrete was all mysteriously blown away by the "explosives," but the "3-inch rebar" is still standing? Here's a Google search for rebar sizes:
rebar sizes - Google Search
Any thoughts on why the largest diameter listed in the first half dozen hits is only 2.257"?

You haven't been reading. The rebar was custom ordered from a DOD steel mill.

I can explain why the rebar is there but that is getting off topic. The fact is that it IS there and it cannot be anything else but rebar and concrete is corroborated many other times with images from 9-11.

Here is an image showing the WTC 1 north core base wall which was 12 feet thick. Note the 3x7 foot utility connection hallway running the length of the wall section that has daylight shining through it.

Are you interested in protecting the US Constitution?

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Please quit trying to sound patriotic with your libelous crap. You still haven't shown one photo of a concrete core wall in a WTC tower, there's no such thing as a "DoD steel mill," and the idea of 3-inch rebar in a 12" concrete wall is utterly absurd, as is the notion that all of the concrete in these alleged walls was blown away by explosives, leaving one piece of steel standing.
If you want accurate details of the construction of the WTC towers, here's the link:
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch2.pdf
Good grief...

 

[DiveCon]

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So the concrete was all mysteriously blown away by the "explosives," but the "3-inch rebar" is still standing? Here's a Google search for rebar sizes:
rebar sizes - Google Search
Any thoughts on why the largest diameter listed in the first half dozen hits is only 2.257"?

You haven't been reading. The rebar was custom ordered from a DOD steel mill.

I can explain why the rebar is there but that is getting off topic. The fact is that it IS there and it cannot be anything else but rebar and concrete is corroborated many other times with images from 9-11.

Here is an image showing the WTC 1 north core base wall which was 12 feet thick. Note the 3x7 foot utility connection hallway running the length of the wall section that has daylight shining through it.



Are you interested in protecting the US Constitution?

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Please quit trying to sound patriotic with your libelous crap. You still haven't shown one photo of a concrete core wall in a WTC tower, there's no such thing as a "DoD steel mill," and the idea of 3-inch rebar in a 12" concrete wall is utterly absurd, as is the notion that all of the concrete in these alleged walls was blown away by explosives, leaving one piece of steel standing.
If you want accurate details of the construction of the WTC towers, here's the link:
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch2.pdf
Good grief...

he wont like that, its a FEMA site

 

[Albury Smith]

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He's not correct; it's that simple.

The only concrete above grade in the towers was the floor slabs. The cores had walls constructed of thick gypsum planks, and they had no structural value at all.

deception and lies put out by the truthers is really just par for the course.


sigh

Your response is incompetent because no evidence of the supposed core is provided. Posted evidence shows an empty core area.

You do not appear to support truth and justice at all as you refuse to observe evidence and have none.

Are you working for the demise of the Constitution?

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Show me ONE photo of a poured concrete core wall above grade in a WTC tower. Still waiting...

 

[Albury Smith]

deception and lies put out by the truthers is really just par for the course.


sigh

Your response is incompetent because no evidence of the supposed core is provided. Posted evidence shows an empty core area.

You do not appear to support truth and justice at all as you refuse to observe evidence and have none.

Are you working for the demise of the Constitution?

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Show me ONE photo of a poured concrete core wall above grade in a WTC tower. Still waiting...

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It also makes a liar out of him. although that wasn't too difficult.