FEMA Deceives Nation About Twin Towers Core

[Christophera]

Yep, OP was posted by him Sunday, August 23, and I'm STILL waiting for a photo of these concrete core walls with the "3-inch" rebar.

yeah, me too

The perpetrators trying to prrotect the means of secrete mass murder would direct you to ask for the images they have taken and also have you refuse to recognize images which show the area where the supposed steel core columns were or that they show concrete and NO STEEL in the core.

You are exposed.

 

[DiveCon]

Yep, OP was posted by him Sunday, August 23, and I'm STILL waiting for a photo of these concrete core walls with the "3-inch" rebar.

yeah, me too

The perpetrators trying to prrotect the means of secrete mass murder would direct you to ask for the images they have taken and also have you refuse to recognize images which show the area where the supposed steel core columns were or that they show concrete and NO STEEL in the core.

You are exposed.

i've seen construction photos of the steel core
still havent seen any photos showing a concrete wall in the core
NONE, not even ONE

 

[Christophera]

yeah, me too

The perpetrators trying to prrotect the means of secrete mass murder would direct you to ask for the images they have taken and also have you refuse to recognize images which show the area where the supposed steel core columns were or that they show concrete and NO STEEL in the core.

You are exposed.

i've seen construction photos of the steel core
still havent seen any photos showing a concrete wall in the core
NONE, not even ONE

Correct, you are exposed working within the logical plan of the perpetrators and guilanis theft of the WTC documents enables it. FEMA carried it out by misinforming NIST who rendered an erroneous cause of death.

If steel core columns are not seen standing in the core on 9-11, and the chief engineer identifies a concrete core on September 13, 2001, then the steel core columns did not exist and all evidence independent of government soucres is correct and government sources wrong.

Due process has not been provided.

FEMA

WTC 2 concrete core.

 

[DiveCon]

The perpetrators trying to prrotect the means of secrete mass murder would direct you to ask for the images they have taken and also have you refuse to recognize images which show the area where the supposed steel core columns were or that they show concrete and NO STEEL in the core.

You are exposed.

i've seen construction photos of the steel core
still havent seen any photos showing a concrete wall in the core
NONE, not even ONE

Correct, you are exposed working within the logical plan of the perpetrators and guilanis theft of the WTC documents enables it. FEMA carried it out by misinforming NIST who rendered an erroneous cause of death.

If steel core columns are not seen standing in the core on 9-11, and the chief engineer identifies a concrete core on September 13, 2001, then the steel core columns did not exist and all evidence independent of government soucres is correct and government sources wrong.

Due process has not been provided.

FEMA



WTC 2 concrete core.

just more BULLSHIT from you
show ONE, just ONE photo during construction where they put concrete in the core

 

[elvis]

i've seen construction photos of the steel core
still havent seen any photos showing a concrete wall in the core
NONE, not even ONE

Correct, you are exposed working within the logical plan of the perpetrators and guilanis theft of the WTC documents enables it. FEMA carried it out by misinforming NIST who rendered an erroneous cause of death.

If steel core columns are not seen standing in the core on 9-11, and the chief engineer identifies a concrete core on September 13, 2001, then the steel core columns did not exist and all evidence independent of government soucres is correct and government sources wrong.

Due process has not been provided.

FEMA



WTC 2 concrete core.

just more BULLSHIT from you
show ONE, just ONE photo during construction where they put concrete in the core

eots never posts anything THIS refutable.

 

[Christophera]

Correct, you are exposed working within the logical plan of the perpetrators and guilanis theft of the WTC documents enables it. FEMA carried it out by misinforming NIST who rendered an erroneous cause of death.

If steel core columns are not seen standing in the core on 9-11, and the chief engineer identifies a concrete core on September 13, 2001, then the steel core columns did not exist and all evidence independent of government soucres is correct and government sources wrong.

Due process has not been provided.

FEMA

WTC 2 concrete core.

just more BULLSHIT from you
show ONE, just ONE photo during construction where they put concrete in the core

eots never posts anything THIS refutable.

Considering the images baring the core on 9-11 all show an empty core, FEMA's assertion cannot be supported and a examination of the thread will show that.

We've got a small group agreeing that it is night outside, when it is obviously day. Or, just because some agree that what is a lie is true, does not make it true.

This shows huge rebar hundreds of feet of the ground in a position that would be under the spire which was outside the concrete core walls, but the rebar marks the wall.

It also shows an empty core area, as do all images taken showing the core on 9-11, and many did.

 

[eots]

I was wondering when you would refer to Hitler or Nazi's.

Its the same point where I no longer care what you say; you've admitted that your full of prunes.

Your behavior would be supportive of the "big lie" and those telling creating would appreciate your position with your cogntitve distortions.

4. Minimizing: Perceiving one or opposite experiences (positive or negative) as absolute and maintaining singularity of belief to one or the other.

10. Labeling: Instead of understanding errors over generalization is applied.

1. All or nothing thinking: Things are placed in black or white categories.

You intend to create a,

3. Mental filter: Details in life (positive or negative) are amplified in importance while opposite is rejected.

just like the infiltrators of the government would train people in the delphi technique as described in various think tank experiments conducted to bring concensus, that actually went towards doing it with manipulation and deception.

What was not said is that the left brain is always involved with speech and listening, but the right brain may act alone with reading and writing.

Accordingly the internet is actually a better place for a psyops than radio or tv.

I'm sure that if someone is lying, the face of that person is the same face you see in the mirror each time you look at one.

Unlike most conspiracy whackjobs you aren't even entertaining. Somehow with you nutjobs, it all comes down to a list of things that "we"--the level headed people--are doing to you morons.

While it is true that every single person who doesn't believe in brain-damaged conspiracy theories like you do gets a print out every day (all 6 billion of us) of how to minimize those who don't have an oar much less both in the water; we hardly agree on what talking points to bust you in your mouth with. So we don't always agree except on one thing;

you're a schedule one dumbass.

Please quote the rules I'm employing; I haven't heard those in about 7 seconds

Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.

Member, Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.
Video interview 6/28/09:

General Stubblebine: I am Major General Albert Stubblebine. I am retired Army Major-General. In my last assignment -- my last command -- I was responsible for all of the Army's strategic intelligence forces around the world. I had responsibility for the Signals Intelligence, Photo Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, Human Intelligence. They all belonged to me, in my last assignment. …

I was supposed to find out what the enemy was doing, before the enemy did it so that we could take action against the enemy. That's Intelligence, OK, before the fact. So, we always -- always -- rely not on a single piece of data, before we make a statement, but on multiple and the more pieces of data that you have that correlate, the better you know exactly what is going on. …

So I have had a lot of experience looking at photographs. I have looked at many, many different kinds of photographs, from many, many different platforms on many, many different countries, around the world.

Interviewer: OK. So on September the 11th, in 2001, what hit the Pentagon?

General Stubblebine: I don't know exactly what hit it, but I do know, from the photographs that I have analyzed and looked at very, very carefully, it was not an airplane.

Interviewer: What made you believe that?

General Stubblebine: Well, for one thing, if you look at the hole that was made in the Pentagon, the nose penetrated far enough so that there should have been wing marks on the walls of the Pentagon. I have been unable to find those wing marks. So where were they? Did this vessel -- vehicle, or whatever it was -- have wings? Apparently not, because if it had had wings, they would have made marks on the side of the Pentagon.

One person counteracted my theory, and said, "Oh, you've got it all wrong. And the reason that it's wrong is that as the airplane came across, one wing tipped down and hit the ground and broke off." I said, "Fine, that's possible, one wing could have broken off." But if I understand airplanes correctly, most airplanes have two wings. I haven't met an airplane with only one wing. So where was the mark for the second wing? OK, one broke off -- there should have been a mark for the second wing. I could not find that in any of the photographs that I've analyzed. Now I've been very careful to not say what went in there. Why? Because you don't have that evidence. …

I did -- I've never believed that it was an airplane since I've looked at the photographs. Up until the time I looked at the photographs, I accepted what was being said. After I looked at it -- NO WAY! …

We pride ourselves with the "free press." I do not believe the "free press" is free any more. It's very expensive. It's very expensive. And the press is saying what they have been told to say about this.

Now, do I have proof of that? No. But I believe that what is being -- what certainly the -- the stories that were told -- all about 9/11 were false. I mean, you take a look at the buildings falling down. They didn't fall down because airplanes hit them. They fell down because of explosives went off inside. Demolition. Look at Building 7, for God's sake. It didn't fall down to its side. It didn't fall to this direction or that direction; just like the two Towers. …

When you look at the temperatures that you can create with fuel in a gas tank or a fuel tank of an airplane, and then you investigate the amount of heat that would be required to melt -- to melt -- the superstructure of the buildings that came tumbling down, when you put all of that together, the one thing that shows; It does not match the facts. What is it they do not want the public to know? [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E]YouTube - General of all American Intelligence: 911 was a fraud![/ame]


Video documentary One Nation Under Siege 7/11/06: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?"


Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.



Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."




Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.
Member: Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations.

Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response.

We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now---not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books---so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration’s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed.

We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media."


Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article



Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers."


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlGm9ZorT4Q]YouTube - Dr. Robert Bowman: the impossibility of the official government story[/ame]

 

[KittenKoder]

Damn Eots, where ya been? You missed the fun.

 

[Christophera]

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."

It's all true, but I like that part most. It is a broad enough perspective to be inclusive and it works generally to put any in place who attempt to deny the improprieties that have happened.

About 1984 we needed to seriously get down on government to prevent much or even the worst of what has happened.

With all the relevant facts cited by those authorities, it seems that the controlling administraction had a deflector shield in place for each critical agency preventing them from using any conclusive elements together. Inference, deduction and conclusion were not followed faithfully and that is very obvious.

Now, after the fact, they try to present that it is a "done deal". Duty fulfilled. And the world seem like an immoveable object, particuarly when watching the behaviors here. All of the groups on the ground get hustled into the standard run of DVD's and "question asking". If something explanatory is introduced at that level, group leaders reject it in favor of the available DVD's or discussion on recent theory.

Is it any wonder why the most common building material in the world is dissed as part of the core even when there are pictures of it and independent statements from authorities of structural engineering including the lead engineer of the Twin Towers construction identify concrete? I contend it is because it shows that "duty is not fulfilled" in a very fundamental way.

 

[candycorn]

Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers."

Amazingly they found plane wreckage in the Pentagon.
Amazingly five lightpoles were knocked down outside the Pentagon during the attack.
Amazingly the airplane wreckage is conclusively AA flight 77.
Amazingly the witnesses who don't agree on flight path, agree on the airplane.
Amazingly no contrail from a missile was present after the attack
Amazingly you don't offer any explanation of what happened to flight 77

 

[Albury Smith]

Why are you citing Les Robertson, the structural engineer of record for both WTC towers? If you told him about your imaginary concrete core walls, he'd just laugh at you.

MSNBC - ‘Painful and Horrible’

Still, Robertson, whose firm is responsible for three of the six tallest buildings in the world, feels a sense of pride that the massive towers, supported by a steel-tube exoskeleton and a reinforced concrete core, held up as well as they did—managing to stand for over an hour despite direct hits from two massive commercial jetliners.

(not reasonable to suggest that when 3,000 are murdered that Newsweek would make sure the information was good or that the engineering firm designing the building that collapsed would not demand, and recieve a correction)

Your behavior can only defined as supporting the secret means of mass murder. Because you know he said it, and then misrepresent it anyway.

LOL. The "truth movement" just thrives on minor inaccuracies and quote mining, doesn't it? Newsweek isn't an engineering publication, and if the cores had really been built with reinforced concrete walls, the sprinkler risers would most likely have stayed intact, instead of being severed in the plane crashes. Any thoughts on how you blow up concrete walls, genius? You hammer drill hundreds of holes in them and plant explosives in the holes. A hammer drill running on the 50th floor would be heard everywhere in the entire building. Any thoughts on why no one reported hearing hammer drills running in the towers for MONTHS? And why doesn't Les Robertson belong to your "truth movement"? He knows more about the design of the towers than any man alive, and he finds your "theories" absurd.

 

[Albury Smith]

Your behavior would be supportive of the "big lie" and those telling creating would appreciate your position with your cogntitve distortions.

4. Minimizing: Perceiving one or opposite experiences (positive or negative) as absolute and maintaining singularity of belief to one or the other.

10. Labeling: Instead of understanding errors over generalization is applied.

1. All or nothing thinking: Things are placed in black or white categories.

You intend to create a,

3. Mental filter: Details in life (positive or negative) are amplified in importance while opposite is rejected.

just like the infiltrators of the government would train people in the delphi technique as described in various think tank experiments conducted to bring concensus, that actually went towards doing it with manipulation and deception.

What was not said is that the left brain is always involved with speech and listening, but the right brain may act alone with reading and writing.

Accordingly the internet is actually a better place for a psyops than radio or tv.

I'm sure that if someone is lying, the face of that person is the same face you see in the mirror each time you look at one.

Unlike most conspiracy whackjobs you aren't even entertaining. Somehow with you nutjobs, it all comes down to a list of things that "we"--the level headed people--are doing to you morons.

While it is true that every single person who doesn't believe in brain-damaged conspiracy theories like you do gets a print out every day (all 6 billion of us) of how to minimize those who don't have an oar much less both in the water; we hardly agree on what talking points to bust you in your mouth with. So we don't always agree except on one thing;

you're a schedule one dumbass.

Please quote the rules I'm employing; I haven't heard those in about 7 seconds

Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.

Member, Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.
Video interview 6/28/09:

General Stubblebine: I am Major General Albert Stubblebine. I am retired Army Major-General. In my last assignment -- my last command -- I was responsible for all of the Army's strategic intelligence forces around the world. I had responsibility for the Signals Intelligence, Photo Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, Human Intelligence. They all belonged to me, in my last assignment. …

I was supposed to find out what the enemy was doing, before the enemy did it so that we could take action against the enemy. That's Intelligence, OK, before the fact. So, we always -- always -- rely not on a single piece of data, before we make a statement, but on multiple and the more pieces of data that you have that correlate, the better you know exactly what is going on. …

So I have had a lot of experience looking at photographs. I have looked at many, many different kinds of photographs, from many, many different platforms on many, many different countries, around the world.

Interviewer: OK. So on September the 11th, in 2001, what hit the Pentagon?

General Stubblebine: I don't know exactly what hit it, but I do know, from the photographs that I have analyzed and looked at very, very carefully, it was not an airplane.

Interviewer: What made you believe that?

General Stubblebine: Well, for one thing, if you look at the hole that was made in the Pentagon, the nose penetrated far enough so that there should have been wing marks on the walls of the Pentagon. I have been unable to find those wing marks. So where were they? Did this vessel -- vehicle, or whatever it was -- have wings? Apparently not, because if it had had wings, they would have made marks on the side of the Pentagon.

One person counteracted my theory, and said, "Oh, you've got it all wrong. And the reason that it's wrong is that as the airplane came across, one wing tipped down and hit the ground and broke off." I said, "Fine, that's possible, one wing could have broken off." But if I understand airplanes correctly, most airplanes have two wings. I haven't met an airplane with only one wing. So where was the mark for the second wing? OK, one broke off -- there should have been a mark for the second wing. I could not find that in any of the photographs that I've analyzed. Now I've been very careful to not say what went in there. Why? Because you don't have that evidence. …

I did -- I've never believed that it was an airplane since I've looked at the photographs. Up until the time I looked at the photographs, I accepted what was being said. After I looked at it -- NO WAY! …

We pride ourselves with the "free press." I do not believe the "free press" is free any more. It's very expensive. It's very expensive. And the press is saying what they have been told to say about this.

Now, do I have proof of that? No. But I believe that what is being -- what certainly the -- the stories that were told -- all about 9/11 were false. I mean, you take a look at the buildings falling down. They didn't fall down because airplanes hit them. They fell down because of explosives went off inside. Demolition. Look at Building 7, for God's sake. It didn't fall down to its side. It didn't fall to this direction or that direction; just like the two Towers. …

When you look at the temperatures that you can create with fuel in a gas tank or a fuel tank of an airplane, and then you investigate the amount of heat that would be required to melt -- to melt -- the superstructure of the buildings that came tumbling down, when you put all of that together, the one thing that shows; It does not match the facts. What is it they do not want the public to know? [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E]YouTube - General of all American Intelligence: 911 was a fraud![/ame]


Video documentary One Nation Under Siege 7/11/06: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?"


Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.



Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."




Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.
Member: Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations.

Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response.

We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now---not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books---so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration’s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed.

We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media."


Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article



Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers."


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlGm9ZorT4Q]YouTube - Dr. Robert Bowman: the impossibility of the official government story[/ame]

Why is Stubblebine talking about melting steel, when the NIST findings established no temperatures higher than 1800 F (1100 F in the area of the floor joists), which is MORE than enough to weaken steel substantially? That's simply a straw man argument that no one with any sense would take seriously. And why does he find it significant that he didn't see wing marks on the Pentagon exterior, when the wall collapsed shortly after the crash, and was obscured by smoke until then? If AA 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, were the 105 eyewitnesses who saw it happen, and the thousands in there afterward, including American Airlines and NTSB inspectors, all part of the plot?
And did you notice that Bowman only gives opinions and makes allegations? What actual facts did he present to show that the US government had anything to do with the attacks on 9/11? My God, you people are gullible!

 

[Albury Smith]

Yep, OP was posted by him Sunday, August 23, and I'm STILL waiting for a photo of these concrete core walls with the "3-inch" rebar.

yeah, me too

The perpetrators trying to prrotect the means of secrete mass murder would direct you to ask for the images they have taken and also have you refuse to recognize images which show the area where the supposed steel core columns were or that they show concrete and NO STEEL in the core.

You are exposed.

There were 47 steel columns in the core of each tower, and no concrete walls above grade in either of them. Why can't you find even one construction photo of these alleged walls out of the thousands that were taken? The "perpetrators" didn't take and couldn't have confiscated all of them, dude.

 

[DiveCon]

yeah, me too

The perpetrators trying to prrotect the means of secrete mass murder would direct you to ask for the images they have taken and also have you refuse to recognize images which show the area where the supposed steel core columns were or that they show concrete and NO STEEL in the core.

You are exposed.

There were 47 steel columns in the core of each tower, and no concrete walls above grade in either of them. Why can't you find even one construction photo of these alleged walls out of the thousands that were taken? The "perpetrators" didn't take and couldn't have confiscated all of them, dude.

well, since there are no photos of the concrete in the core during construction, its clear "they" have had them all destroyed

 

[Gamolon]

Ah yes. Chris has found another forum in which to peddle his garbage.

Hello Chris, it's me, Gamolon the agent. Sent to track you down and lead all the "lemmings" down the path of lies and deceit created by our government. To lead them away from the "truth" you say you are trying to bring to light.

As I 've brought forth in other forums, the simple fact is that your core could not have physically existed. You see, YOU say that at the lobby level of the towers, your core had walls that were 17' and 12' thick. You also say that this concrete core surrounded ALL the elevators, stairwells, a 16' wide hallway that ran the length of the core. That's about 24 local elevators, 23 express elevators included in that core. My main point in all this is that people CLEARLY entered any of the express elevators from OUTSIDE your core at the lobby level without having to pass through a 12' long tunnel cut through your core wall to get to the express elevator doors. There were 23 express elevators accessible. I have blueprints marked up of the towers that can convey this foolishness, but I cannot post links yet. Chris will no doubt claim that the blueprints are fake.

I also have talked with Leslie Robertson recently via email. He is accessible through his LERA website on the 9/11 page. Sawteen See is the contact. I had written a few emails and they were eventually forwarded to Mr. Robertson.

He basically says Chris is full of crap. If anyone is interested, I will post them.

 

[Albury Smith]

Ah yes. Chris has found another forum in which to peddle his garbage.

Hello Chris, it's me, Gamolon the agent. Sent to track you down and lead all the "lemmings" down the path of lies and deceit created by our government. To lead them away from the "truth" you say you are trying to bring to light.

As I 've brought forth in other forums, the simple fact is that your core could not have physically existed. You see, YOU say that at the lobby level of the towers, your core had walls that were 17' and 12' thick. You also say that this concrete core surrounded ALL the elevators, stairwells, a 16' wide hallway that ran the length of the core. That's about 24 local elevators, 23 express elevators included in that core. My main point in all this is that people CLEARLY entered any of the express elevators from OUTSIDE your core at the lobby level without having to pass through a 12' long tunnel cut through your core wall to get to the express elevator doors. There were 23 express elevators accessible. I have blueprints marked up of the towers that can convey this foolishness, but I cannot post links yet. Chris will no doubt claim that the blueprints are fake.

I also have talked with Leslie Robertson recently via email. He is accessible through his LERA website on the 9/11 page. Sawteen See is the contact. I had written a few emails and they were eventually forwarded to Mr. Robertson.

He basically says Chris is full of crap. If anyone is interested, I will post them.

Here's a video of Robertson saying that Chris is full of crap:
World Trade Center Not a Demolition

 

[Christophera]

yeah, me too

The perpetrators trying to prrotect the means of secrete mass murder would direct you to ask for the images they have taken and also have you refuse to recognize images which show the area where the supposed steel core columns were or that they show concrete and NO STEEL in the core.

You are exposed.

There were 47 steel columns in the core of each tower,

Hmmmmmmm, we see the core area of the tower very clearly. No steel core columns. However, we do see massive rebar along the line of the concrete walls.

Here is a very large piece of concrete falling into the core which is seen empty behind it.

The evidence proves you wrong.

and no concrete walls above grade in either of them.

I noticed you have no explanation for what this is if it is not concrete.

Why can't you find even one construction photo of these alleged walls out of the thousands that were taken?

Correct the infiltrators of the government that you serve with protection for their secret means of mass murder took them before 9-11. Something that is very logical. It is also logical that they would have you focus on that and ignore that you cannot show steel core columns in the core area. Which shows you are a fraud.

The "perpetrators" didn't take and couldn't have confiscated all of them, dude.[/B]

They not only got all of the construction photos showing concrete, they got the 2 hour video from PBS titled "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers". Dr. Ron Larsen Ph.d, physics, cornell and former Marine Major Drew Raines III conducted a search for about 6 month and found libraries listed it, but then could not find their copies. Dr. Larsen uploaded one of his web radio shows that I co-hosted where he describes their search. Download the .mp3 here.

6/20/07 interview (documentary search update 17:50 minutes)
LCB-062007-16kb-Chris.mp3 - www.libertycalling.com

 

[Gamolon]

His own theory says he's full of crap. From a design standpoint, there are so many errors and contradictions within his theory that it's comical. And he wonders why he's been kicked to the curb by so many forums. The list is quite large. Even fellow truther sites ban him after a bit.

He's changes his theory to fit whatever current argument he is engaged in. I've look at web archives of his site as he changed them over the years and the changes directly correlate to debates he was in. Debates in which someone comes up with a major mistake and he changes is theory to fit an explanation into it in order to try and "explain" why the error is there or to make it look like the person is wrong.

Perfect example is when I brought up the outside the core access to the express elevators at the lobby level, he NOW claims that the towers cores were radically different. He claims that WTC2's core was redesigned, get this now, AFTER WTC1 was already started. A total redesign AFTER construction was started. What was the reason for the redesign? According to Chris, nobody wanted to rent WTC1 because all the elevators were INSIDE his concrete core and had poor access. The redesigned the core of WTC2 to have the express elevators OUTSIDE his core yet keep the 24 local elevators inside the core with everything else.

I have asked for proof of this and he has not provided anything.

Typical.

 

[Gamolon]

They not only got all of the construction photos showing concrete, they got the 2 hour video from PBS titled "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers". Dr. Ron Larsen Ph.d, physics, cornell and former Marine Major Drew Raines III conducted a search for about 6 month and found libraries listed it, but then could not find their copies.

All words Chris. Where's the actual proof that they found records? What libraries?

 

[Christophera]

They not only got all of the construction photos showing concrete, they got the 2 hour video from PBS titled "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers". Dr. Ron Larsen Ph.d, physics, cornell and former Marine Major Drew Raines III conducted a search for about 6 month and found libraries listed it, but then could not find their copies.

All words Chris. Where's the actual proof that they found records? What libraries?

You would love to know that so you could see them stolen too.

You expose your use of conditions created by the infiltrators of government. Here is the concrete when it matters, when the towers cannot be misrepresented as they are by you, FEMA and other infiltrators of the trutn movement in construction photos.

I notice you still have only text for evidence. Another photo of the same piece of concrete from another perspective

Here is evidence showing a massive concrete wall.