Files seized at Mar-a-Lago include material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities

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The documents Trump stole had a very high dollar value.

i keep hearing speculation that the nuke secrets might involve israel. their intel has been divulged in the past when donny invited rooooskie spies into the oval office quite early in his reign... i wonder if panty waisted jared's & his $2billion pay off from the saudis have anything to to with that. hmmmmm....

Now Trump claims that he took them because he feared Joe Biden. So Trump's theft is Biden's fault.

of course it was, since he can't blame obama.

 

[surada]

You twice voted for and continue to support someone who placed national security in jeopardy – someone you’ll vote for again if given the opportunity.

Such is the right’s contempt for America.

It appears that their loyalty to Trump is far more important than the US Constitution or rule of law or national security. Demagogues sometimes have awesome power.

 

[surada]

i keep hearing speculation that the nuke secrets might involve israel. their intel has been divulged in the past when donny invited rooooskie spies into the oval office quite early in his reign... i wonder if panty waisted jared's &2billion pay off from the saudis have anything to to with that. hmmmmm....


of course it was, since he can't blame obama.

The story goes that Israel had intelligence assets embedded with ISIS and Trump's visit put them in extreme danger.

Saudi Arabia is the enemy of ISIS and the penalty for any Saudi who colludes with them gets the death penalty. They would protect Israeli intelligence assets in this situation.

 

[Delldude]

Where is your proof that Hillary Clinton had classified documents on her server?

Hello.....

Hillary Clinton's private email server contained information that was classified at a higher level than "top secret," the inspector general of the intelligence community told members of Congress in a letter obtained by CBS News.

The server Clinton used as secretary of state contained "several dozen emails containing classified information determined by the [intelligence community] element to be at the CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP SECRET/SAP levels," the inspector general, Charles McCullough, wrote in the letter, which was first reported by Fox News. "SAP" stands for special access programs, which carry a classification level higher than top secret.

Former CIA Director David Petraeus was sentenced to two years' probation and fined $100,000 for sharing similarly classified information with Paula Broadwell, his biographer and mistress.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-had-emails-on-server-more-classified-than-top-secret/

 

[Delldude]

This is always the partisan answer when someone is caught in a lie.

No, it's your clowns being taken down the same path by dems and media that did for the past six years......yall fell for a continual lie, and haven;t learned from the past.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

No, it's your clowns being taken down the same path by dems and media that did for the past six years......yall fell for a continual lie, and haven;t learned from the past.

Again, the partisan response to being caught in a lie is to point fingers and go "oh yeah, well you lie too".

Just fucking one I would like to see one of you drones go "yep, I was wrong, my bad".

 

[playtime]

The story goes that Israel had intelligence assets embedded with ISIS and Trump's visit put them in extreme danger.

Saudi Arabia is the enemy of ISIS and the penalty for any Saudi who colludes with them gets the death penalty. They would protect Israeli intelligence assets in this situation.

that saudi cash was probably payment for coughing up the WaPo journalist that was chopped up.that means vlad. rumpr has it that he might have been an informant.

hmmmm - perhaps he's helping out ol' vlad.

 

[Delldude]

The U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in a 2020 decision about whether statements made by then-President Trump declassified the existence of a CIA program that “declassification, even by the president, must follow established procedures.”

If a document is declassified, that doesn’t automatically mean it can be shared widely, either. For example, nuclear information – which is generally classified – is also protected by the federal Atomic Energy Act of 1954, McClanahan explained.
Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow


The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material. Where are our nuclear warheads? What tricks have we developed to make sure they work? This information is “born secret” no matter who produces it. The restrictions on documents of this type are incredibly tight...
Not Even the President Can Declassify Nuclear Secrets

The Washington Post reported the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago for “nuclear documents,” among other classified information.
“Because [nuclear information] has this dual protection, even if you declassify a nuclear document, you cannot disseminate it because it’s still what’s called Restricted Data,” McClanahan said.
“So to the extent that he [Trump] had any nuclear information in there, declassification would not help him in the slightest, because he would still be disseminating restricted data or moving Restricted Data,” he added.
There are other federal laws in place that bar a president from taking government records, whether they are classified or declassified. Still, breaking those laws – or most other laws – doesn’t automatically disqualify someone from becoming president, because of the simple presidential qualifications that are outlined in the U.S. Constitution.

So here you go:

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow.​

 

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So here you go:

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow.​

nice try.

'cept HE CANNOT DECLASSIFY anything nuclear. which is going to bring him down. there's no 2 ways to go here .... he stole nuclear files.

 

[surada]

that saudi cash was probably payment for coughing up the WaPo journalist that was chopped up.that means vlad. rumpr has it that he might have been an informant.

hmmmm - perhaps he's helping out ol' vlad.

The murder of Khashoggi is not Saudi style. He was also a friend of Osama bin Laden and an advocate for the teachings of Sayeed Qubt and Hassan Al Banna. Both have been outlawed in Arabia since the early 1970s.

 

[surada]

So here you go:

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow.​

Didn't you read your whole article?

 

[surada]

nice try.

'cept HE CANNOT DECLASSIFY anything nuclear. which is going to bring him down. there's no 2 ways to go here .... he stole nuclear files.

There's been a sea change among 44% of Trump supporters about the theft of the documents.. from unethical to illegal..

 

[flan327]

Hi, Fran, so good to see you. Sorry to hear about Kukla and Ollie passing away.

There are only so many wash cycles your kind can take, after all.

POST REPORTED

 

[flan327]

i keep hearing speculation that the nuke secrets might involve israel. their intel has been divulged in the past when donny invited rooooskie spies into the oval office quite early in his reign... i wonder if panty waisted jared's & his $2billion pay off from the saudis have anything to to with that. hmmmmm....




of course it was, since he can't blame obama.

Afraid of capital letters?

 

[westwall]

Various reports over the past few weeks. Some of the top secret documents were in Trump's desk drawer with his passports.

Various reports from un named sources.

In other words nothing credible.

 

[westwall]

The FBI said that they were mixed together, which is why they took all of the documents.

And you believe PROVEN LIARS, why?

 

[flan327]

Various reports from un named sources.

In other words nothing credible.

Bunker time!!!!!

 

[Delldude]

nice try.

'cept HE CANNOT DECLASSIFY anything nuclear. which is going to bring him down. there's no 2 ways to go here .... he stole nuclear files.

Yes He can......as long as it doesn't have to do with the production of or use of nuclear weapons. Documents on nuclear capability of a certain country doesn't fit the definition.

So, could Trump declassify National Defense Information at will?

Essentially, the logic is that whoever has the authority to classify documents also has the authority to declassify documents. And, all classification authority under these executive orders ultimately stems from the president, so the assertion that Trump could have declassified those documents as he saw fit is probably plausible. However, valid declassification actions require procedures, records, and logging, and arguably ought to have been marked as declassified prior to entering into private hands. This defense has never been litigated, however, so the limits a president might have in this area remain uncertain. Typically, classification violations are handled administratively—revoked security clearance, terminated employment, etc.—and not as criminal cases.

Restricted Data

National Defense Information covers pretty much every secret you can imagine, except one special category: anything relating to the production or use of nuclear weapons. This type of information has its own special legal framework that is parallel to and independent of all other secrets, although any given nuclear secret might (and frequently does) exist in both regimes simultaneously (requiring two sets of clearances, for example, and two different declassification actions, one for each system).

So can Trump declassify nuclear secrets?

One of the difficulties with all of these issues is that there is essentially no precedent in applying them to the president. Some precedent exists for presidents trying to make certain things secret at will, or for the government trying to censor the publication of secrets, but really none when it comes to presidents asserting that they have declassified something secret and thus cannot be charged for mishandling it. It just hasn’t ever been an issue before that I can see. That means that it’s difficult to predict how the courts would rule on it, because on top of the First Amendment issues, you are also getting into deep questions about the power of the president—a nebulous area when talking about national security issues. Though, again, usually the issue has gone in the other direction—with presidents expanding secrecy, not reducing it.

So can Trump declassify nuclear secrets?

One of the difficulties with all of these issues is that there is essentially no precedent in applying them to the president. Some precedent exists for presidents trying to make certain things secret at will, or for the government trying to censor the publication of secrets, but really none when it comes to presidents asserting that they have declassified something secret and thus cannot be charged for mishandling it. It just hasn’t ever been an issue before that I can see. That means that it’s difficult to predict how the courts would rule on it, because on top of the First Amendment issues, you are also getting into deep questions about the power of the president—a nebulous area when talking about national security issues. Though, again, usually the issue has gone in the other direction—with presidents expanding secrecy, not reducing it.

Alex Wellerstein is a historian of nuclear weapons at the Stevens Institute of Technology in Hoboken, New Jersey. He is the author of Restricted Data: The History of Nuclear Secrecy in the United States (University of Chicago Press, 2021).

https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-trump-just-declare-nuclear-secrets-unclassified

 

[Delldude]

There's been a sea change among 44% of Trump supporters about the theft of the documents.. from unethical to illegal..

How about unproven.

 

[surada]

nice try.

'cept HE CANNOT DECLASSIFY anything nuclear. which is going to bring him down. there's no 2 ways to go here .... he stole nuclear files.

Did Trump move all those classified documents to Mara Lago when he was still president?