Flight 93 crash fantasy

[saiweril]

45' hole? WTF??? Covered back up? WTF??? Bunch of plane parts came out of the ground? WTF???

You stupid or something? You do remember the crater right?

The 10-foot deep one made by the burying 155-foot long 757 down to 45'? Yes, I remember.

The one they found stuff 45' down?

As they did with that "similar" crash 1771?

 

[eots]

What cracks me up about these clowns, is that they've had 9 years and 3 months. They throw up all these "experts" and their claims, and cannot come up with any answers when challenged on their claims.

As far as 93 goes, all the evidence is right there in that area. It's the area where the plane fell off radar. If it had been a bomb, or it was shot out of the sky, the debris field would have been massive.......These so called "experts" can't come up with any other debris fields for miles around.......

are you claiming former presidents of the U.S air crash investigation board and military crash investigators are not EXPERTS ???

There WERE body parts found.....They want pictures!....Why would the government release pictures to the public of mangled, burned, twisted body parts?........Do these loons not understand respect for the victims and their families

?

THERE WERE NO BODY PARTS FOUND...and the government did release them where they were actually found ...the pentagon staff and the wtc buildings

9-11 Research: Human Remains

 

[Wicked Jester]

You loons are just too damn funny.

Living in total denial of the facts must really suck.

Go read the transcripts of the flight......It tells the whole story of what happened to flight 93

And, the funniest thing up here comes from Huggy, someone I actually like, stating that a 12 foot 6 inch diameter 757 fuselage couldn't fit into an 18 foot hole..........Well, IT CAUSED THE 18 FOOT HOLE.....That's what happened when flight 77 rammed full speed into the pentagon!

 

[eots]

You loons are just too damn funny.

Living in total denial of the facts must really suck.

Go read the transcripts of the flight......It tells the whole story of what happened to flight 93

And, the funniest thing up here comes from Huggy, someone I actually like, stating that a 12 foot 6 inch diameter 757 fuselage couldn't fit into an 18 foot hole..........Well, IT CAUSED THE 18 FOOT HOLE.....That's what happened when flight 77 rammed full speed into the pentagon!

so once again you wont address your errors or the question put to you...are not air crash investigators experts in air crash investigation ?


FAA Managers Destroyed 9/11 Tape
Recording Contained Accounts of Communications With Hijacked Planes

By Sara Kehaulani Goo
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 6, 2004; 6:16 PM
FAA Managers Destroyed 9/11 Tape (washingtonpost.com)

 

[Wicked Jester]

What cracks me up about these clowns, is that they've had 9 years and 3 months. They throw up all these "experts" and their claims, and cannot come up with any answers when challenged on their claims.

As far as 93 goes, all the evidence is right there in that area. It's the area where the plane fell off radar. If it had been a bomb, or it was shot out of the sky, the debris field would have been massive.......These so called "experts" can't come up with any other debris fields for miles around.......

are you claiming former presidents of the U.S air crash investigation board and military crash investigators are not EXPERTS ???

There WERE body parts found.....They want pictures!....Why would the government release pictures to the public of mangled, burned, twisted body parts?........Do these loons not understand respect for the victims and their families

?

THERE WERE NO BODY PARTS FOUND...and the government did release them where they were actually found ...the pentagon staff and the wtc buildings

9-11 Research: Human Remains

Were those "experts" actually involved directly in the official investigation.....were they there immediately on scene?........Did they do the DNA testing?.....Have they found any other possible debris field in the flight path?........Do they know where the fucking plane is at if it didn't go down in that field?........Can they debunk the DNA evidence........Have they had access to the evidence for independent testing.......Can they deny the cockpit recordings and transcripts?.......Can they deny the cell phone calls?

All it seems you can come up with from your "EXPERTS" is nothing more than opinions!

 

[eots]

What cracks me up about these clowns, is that they've had 9 years and 3 months. They throw up all these "experts" and their claims, and cannot come up with any answers when challenged on their claims.

As far as 93 goes, all the evidence is right there in that area. It's the area where the plane fell off radar. If it had been a bomb, or it was shot out of the sky, the debris field would have been massive.......These so called "experts" can't come up with any other debris fields for miles around.......

are you claiming former presidents of the U.S air crash investigation board and military crash investigators are not EXPERTS ???

There WERE body parts found.....They want pictures!....Why would the government release pictures to the public of mangled, burned, twisted body parts?........Do these loons not understand respect for the victims and their families

?

THERE WERE NO BODY PARTS FOUND...and the government did release them where they were actually found ...the pentagon staff and the wtc buildings

9-11 Research: Human Remains

Were those "experts" actually involved directly in the official investigation.....were they there immediately on scene?........Did they do the DNA testing?.....Have they found any other possible debris field in the flight path?........Do they know where the fucking plane is at if it didn't go down in that field?........Can they debunk the DNA evidence........Have they had access to the evidence for independent testing.......Can they deny the cockpit recordinds and transcripts?.......Can they deny the cell phone calls?

All it seems you can come up with from your "EXPERTS" is nothing more than opinions!

yes it is their expert opinion that the flight data and crash scene are not consistent and that the investigation did not follow proper procedure as president of the U.S investigation board this is exactly what his expertise and mandate would have been and his direct involvement in field work would be delegated to others

 

[Wicked Jester]

You loons are just too damn funny.

Living in total denial of the facts must really suck.

Go read the transcripts of the flight......It tells the whole story of what happened to flight 93

And, the funniest thing up here comes from Huggy, someone I actually like, stating that a 12 foot 6 inch diameter 757 fuselage couldn't fit into an 18 foot hole..........Well, IT CAUSED THE 18 FOOT HOLE.....That's what happened when flight 77 rammed full speed into the pentagon!

so once again you wont address your errors or the question put to you...are not air crash investigators experts in air crash investigation ?


FAA Managers Destroyed 9/11 Tape
Recording Contained Accounts of Communications With Hijacked Planes

By Sara Kehaulani Goo
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 6, 2004; 6:16 PM
FAA Managers Destroyed 9/11 Tape (washingtonpost.com)

Here, fuckin' ignore 'em!

Flight 93 Cockpit Transcript - Wikisource

Transcript of American Airlines Flight 77

 

[eots]

are you even aware who did the investigation you put so much faith in ?

 

[eots]

o once again you wont address your errors or the question put to you...are not air crash investigators experts in air crash investigation ?


FAA Managers Destroyed 9/11 Tape
Recording Contained Accounts of Communications With Hijacked Planes

By Sara Kehaulani Goo
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 6, 2004; 6:16 PM
FAA Managers Destroyed 9/11 Tape (washingtonpost.com)

 

[saiweril]

You loons are just too damn funny.

Like those funny loons who said there were tons of photos of the mushroom cloud and when asked to produce just two photos, they could only produce one?

stating that a 12 foot 6 inch diameter 757 fuselage couldn't fit into an 18 foot hole..........Well, IT CAUSED THE 18 FOOT HOLE.....That's what happened when flight 77 rammed full speed into the pentagon!

How did Flight 93, a 155-foot long plane, bury down to 45', but only leave a 10' crater?

 

[eots]

Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career.
Licensed commercial pilot. Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic.

Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." Physics911, by Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven, 9/11/2001





Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former combat fighter pilot. Aerospace engineer. Currently Captain at a major airline. Combat experience includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle and General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber. Former President, U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board. Also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review. Awarded Distinguish Flying Cross for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals. 20-year Air Force career.
Audio interview with Rob Balsamo 6/25/07: Regarding the 9/11 Commission's account of the impact of Flight 77 at the Pentagon and discrepancies with the actual Flight Data Recorder information:

"After I did my own analysis of it, it's obvious that there's discrepancies between the two stories; between the 9/11 Commission and the flight data recorder information. And I think that's where we really need to focus a lot of our attention to get the help that we need in order to put pressure on government agencies to actually do a real investigation of 9/11. And not just from a security standpoint, but from even an aviation standpoint, like any accident investigation would actually help the aviators out by finding reasons for things happening. ...




Lt. Cdr. Bernard J. Smith, U.S. Nay (ret) – Retired carrier Naval Aviator and former aircraft accident investigator.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"From my several years experience as an aircraft accident investigator for the U.S.Navy, I am appalled at the basic principles of investigation being ignored; ie, premature destruction of evidence, reliable eye witness accounts ignored, etc. To allow the official version to be the final word in this planned event, as is evident from the AE9/11 investigation, would be a major disservice to the victims and the nation." AE911Truth.org



Major Jon I. Fox, U.S. Marine Corps – Former Marine Corps fighter pilot, including interceptor pilot. Retired commercial airline pilot, Continental Airlines. Aircraft flown: Boeing 727, McDonnell Douglas DC-10, LearJet. 35-year commercial aviation career.
Statement to this website 6/3/08:

"Recent research proves that explosives were used at the World Trade Center. Flight paths and maneuvers of the aircraft involved at the Pentagon and Shanksville do not match NTSB released flight data recordings. Shouldn't there be a criminal investigation before more lives and trillions of dollars are wasted?"




Lt. Col. David Gapp, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired Pilot and Qualified Aircraft Accident Investigator. Served as President, Aircraft Accident Board. Military aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Cessna T-37 Dragonfly "Tweet", Northrup T-38 Talon. 3,000+ total hours flown. 31 years of U.S. Air Force service. One year as commercial pilot for Continental Airlines. Commercial aircraft flown: ATR-42.

Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers.




Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.


Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[Wicked Jester]

You loons are just too damn funny.

Like those funny loons who said there were tons of photos of the mushroom cloud and when asked to produce just two photos, they could only produce one?

stating that a 12 foot 6 inch diameter 757 fuselage couldn't fit into an 18 foot hole..........Well, IT CAUSED THE 18 FOOT HOLE.....That's what happened when flight 77 rammed full speed into the pentagon!

How did Flight 93, a 155-foot long plane, bury down to 45', but only leave a 10' crater?

Does this look like a 10 foot crater?:

http://jc3131.k12.sd.us/event/crater-flight93.jpg

 

[saiweril]

Does this look like a 10 foot crater?:

Does someone else want to tell the court Jester what he just posted, or should I?

 

[HUGGY]

A 2000 lb bomb wouldn't penetrate 45 feet into packed gravel and rocks.

 

[DiveCon]

Does this look like a 10 foot crater?:

Does someone else want to tell the court Jester what he just posted, or should I?

its from a movie, but it was a recreation of the event

 

[SFC Ollie]

You loons are just too damn funny.

Like those funny loons who said there were tons of photos of the mushroom cloud and when asked to produce just two photos, they could only produce one?

stating that a 12 foot 6 inch diameter 757 fuselage couldn't fit into an 18 foot hole..........Well, IT CAUSED THE 18 FOOT HOLE.....That's what happened when flight 77 rammed full speed into the pentagon!

How did Flight 93, a 155-foot long plane, bury down to 45', but only leave a 10' crater?

That's really a simple question that you can show yourself if you have a BB Gun. Shoot into a sand box is the BB buried? Is the hole it made as deep as the BB went? Flight 93 crashed into a reclaimed mine, the earth there would be rather soft. Much of the plane would have buried itself.

Now tell me how that analogy is soooo wrong.

 

[saiweril]

How did Flight 93, a 155-foot long plane, bury down to 45', but only leave a 10' crater?

That's really a simple question that you can show yourself if you have a BB Gun. Shoot into a sand box is the BB buried? Is the hole it made as deep as the BB went? Flight 93 crashed into a reclaimed mine, the earth there would be rather soft. Much of the plane would have buried itself.

Now tell me how that analogy is soooo wrong.

I didn't know Flight 93 was a solid object that crashed at the beach.

But if 93 did what you said, tons and tons of plane debris should have been dug out of the ground, right?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Why do I bother?

 

[saiweril]

Shoot into a sand box is the BB buried? Is the hole it made as deep as the BB went? Flight 93 crashed into a reclaimed mine, the earth there would be rather soft. Much of the plane would have buried itself.

Patriot911, the above description is FAR different than what happened to Flight 1771, right?

 

[Wicked Jester]

Does this look like a 10 foot crater?:

Does someone else want to tell the court Jester what he just posted, or should I?

Sorry about that. clicked on the wrong one.

HERE......Does this look like a 10 foot crater......How long is that fire truck?

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/photos/docs/shankshole3.jpg