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[JoeB131]

Quit lying. You people don't care about the deaths. This is all political. If you cared about deaths, you WOULD want to ban swimming pools since MANY more people die in drowning accidents. Your chances of drowning are MUCH greater (if you swim) than your chances of being shot.

That's not true.

33,000 gun fatalities a year.

vs.

• From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 347 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.2

CDC - Water-Related Injuries Facts - Home and Recreational Safety - Injury Center

YOu are far more likely to be killed by a firearm than drown in ANY body of water. (I think it's safe to assume not all those drownings happen in pools.)

 

[Flash]

[Q

You did get government rules as to how you built that pool. As an attractive nuisance, the pool required you supplied some way to keep neighborhood kids out of it. There are lots of reasonable restrictions required for a pool. Since the gun nuts and the NRA are blocking reasonable restrictions on guns, they should at least require training.

You are confused. That is something I see quite often with Libtards.

There were construction code requirements but there was certainly no requirements that I get some stupid mandatory training from the government on how to protect my family from drowning in the pool.

The right to keep and bear arms is a right protected under the Constitution of the United States. The government has no authority to make that enjoyment of the right contingent upon training or registration or permission to from the government because of a background check or anything else.

The filthy ass government needs to stay out of the business of controlling my life and restricting the individual rights that are enumerated in the Bill of Rights, including the right to keep and bear arms.

If the filthy ass government was really interested in saving the lives of children they would put a stop to the genocide of allowing the killing of children on demand. Until they stop the murdering of children for the sake of convenience they have no credibility suggesting that some stupid government firearms training will protect the lives of American children.

 

[Skull Pilot]

More than half of federal prisoners are incarcerated for drug crimes in 2010,according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics,

I think that's why you like the because I said so type of society it both feeds the needs of your megalomania and it suits your dim intellect

Uh, guy, man up and admit you didn't do your research, don't try to cherry pick just the federal numbers (which actually makes sense, since theFeds have authority over drug crimes.

You claimed that half the people in prison were in there for non violent drug offenses. I proved they don't even make up 20% of ALL drug offenses.

You got it wrong. Period.

Hey moron you cherry picked your numbers from incarcerated felons only

The federal numbers include ALL federal prisoners and more than half IOW MOST were in jail for drug charges

And first you tell me not to cherry pick but then you say it makes sense and at least I used a credible source not some wierd organization

Maybe you want to think about what you post

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

[Q


More reason to at least require some training for gun owners. Many people really don't know the dangers to a child. of having a gun around. They think "those tragedies will never happen to my family". They need to be told how often it does happen, and what they should do to prevent it.

I didn't get any government mandated training on pool safety when I put in my swimming pool. I didn't get any government mandated safety training when I bought my chain saw, which is probably much more dangerous than any firearm I own.

As far as I know there is no government mandated safety training required before a woman gets and abortion. After all the abortion results in the death of a child. Shouldn't a woman be required to understand how dangerous it is to her child?

It is my responsibility to provide a safe home environment for my children. The right to keep and bear arms is a right protected under the Constitution of the US and it specifically says that the right shall not be infringed. It doesn't say a damn thing about the right being contingent upon some kind of stupid and most likely ineffective bureaucratic governmental "training".

If someone thinks they need firearm safety training then they can sign up for one of my classes. I am a NRA Certified Firearms Instructor and I will glad to teach them anything they need to know. I do it several times a year.

You did get government rules as to how you built that pool. As an attractive nuisance, the pool required you supplied some way to keep neighborhood kids out of it. There are lots of reasonable restrictions required for a pool. Since the gun nuts and the NRA are blocking reasonable restrictions on guns, they should at least require training.

Pools are not a constitutional right, nor are they regulated by the federal government. Pool laws are local usually by the city or town.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

[Q


What penalty does the NRA advocate if you do leave a loaded gun laying around and your kid shoots themselves with said gun?

What penalty do you advocate for yourself if you have a swimming pool and your child drowns in it? There are thousands of children that have drowned in swimming pools.

Should you go to jail?

It is the responsibility of a parent to protect their children from hazards. The NRA provides training and children's programs to promote safe firearms ownership.

If you agree that children should be taught to not touch firearms and that parents should keep the firearms out of the accessibility of children then you should put your money where your mouth is and join the largest gun safety in the world.

Whenever there is a tragedy with a firearm and children there is usually irresponsibility on the part of some adult along the way. No different than any other tragedies that unfortunately happens in many homes every day.

More reason to at least require some training for gun owners. Many people really don't know the dangers to a child. of having a gun around. They think "those tragedies will never happen to my family". They need to be told how often it does happen, and what they should do to prevent it.

If somebody is that stupid not to be able to realize the dangers of a child with a gun, then they shouldn't even be allowed to have electricity hooked up to their home.

The truth of the matter is in a society as large as ours, we are always going to have stupid people, and no class in the world will teach somebody how not to be stupid. You are either stupid or you're not.

Limiting the ability for a child to have access to a firearm is common sense. But as I said, common sense can't be taught. Making a law that all firearm owners must attend a class is like making all parents who own a car take classes to learn not to lock their child in a hot car during the summer which happens several times a year.

 

[BULLDOG]

[Q


More reason to at least require some training for gun owners. Many people really don't know the dangers to a child. of having a gun around. They think "those tragedies will never happen to my family". They need to be told how often it does happen, and what they should do to prevent it.

I didn't get any government mandated training on pool safety when I put in my swimming pool. I didn't get any government mandated safety training when I bought my chain saw, which is probably much more dangerous than any firearm I own.

As far as I know there is no government mandated safety training required before a woman gets and abortion. After all the abortion results in the death of a child. Shouldn't a woman be required to understand how dangerous it is to her child?

It is my responsibility to provide a safe home environment for my children. The right to keep and bear arms is a right protected under the Constitution of the US and it specifically says that the right shall not be infringed. It doesn't say a damn thing about the right being contingent upon some kind of stupid and most likely ineffective bureaucratic governmental "training".

If someone thinks they need firearm safety training then they can sign up for one of my classes. I am a NRA Certified Firearms Instructor and I will glad to teach them anything they need to know. I do it several times a year.

You did get government rules as to how you built that pool. As an attractive nuisance, the pool required you supplied some way to keep neighborhood kids out of it. There are lots of reasonable restrictions required for a pool. Since the gun nuts and the NRA are blocking reasonable restrictions on guns, they should at least require training.

Pools are not a constitutional right, nor are they regulated by the federal government. Pool laws are local usually by the city or town.

You might want to check on federal rules for pool drains and a few other federally controlled aspects of building a pool, but even if there are some state rules, they are still government imposed. I thought you hated all government control.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Backyard swimming pools, while fun, provide serious swimming pool liability. The homeowner can be held responsible for any injuries or deaths that take place in or around the pool, even if the victims were trespassing, scaled a fence to access it, or otherwise used it without the homeowner's permission. If you or your child has been injured in a neighbor's pool, they homeowner faces liability for the harm you or the child suffered. An personal injury attorney with experience in pool accident liability cases should be consulted before taking any legal or insurance related action.

Homeowner Liability

Homeowner liability stems from negligence, or the failure to do what a reasonable person would have done under similar circumstances. Injuries resulting from a lack of security around a pool or a failure to properly maintain the pool in good condition may result in homeowner liability because homeowners with pools are expected to protect guests and prevent unwanted visitors. If a homeowner is negligent in keeping the pool area safe and inaccessible, then he could be liable for injuries suffered in or around the pool.

In addition, most states, cities, and towns have statutes regarding the construction and maintenance of residential swimming pools, including requirements for special covers, locked gates, and fencing. Though these restrictions may seem elaborate, failure to comply with ordinances can invite injury and may make proving liability easier because failing to comply with protective law makes a homeowner strictly liable - meaning there is no need to prove negligence. For more information, be sure to contact a local attorney with experience in homeowner liability.



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Why look at that. Seems like swimming pools are not viewed the same as gun ownership.

There are even laws to keep people safe and insurance requirements to pay for injuries or death and there are even criminal.penalties for non compliance.

Your analogy of guns and swimming pools just don't work.


Or do you think if your kid died in a neighbor's pool because of negligence you would just claim that it was just one of those things?

So you're saying homeowners can't be sued for gun accidents on their property? Maybe you should have a talk with your insurance agent or lawyer.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

[Q


More reason to at least require some training for gun owners. Many people really don't know the dangers to a child. of having a gun around. They think "those tragedies will never happen to my family". They need to be told how often it does happen, and what they should do to prevent it.

I didn't get any government mandated training on pool safety when I put in my swimming pool. I didn't get any government mandated safety training when I bought my chain saw, which is probably much more dangerous than any firearm I own.

As far as I know there is no government mandated safety training required before a woman gets and abortion. After all the abortion results in the death of a child. Shouldn't a woman be required to understand how dangerous it is to her child?

It is my responsibility to provide a safe home environment for my children. The right to keep and bear arms is a right protected under the Constitution of the US and it specifically says that the right shall not be infringed. It doesn't say a damn thing about the right being contingent upon some kind of stupid and most likely ineffective bureaucratic governmental "training".

If someone thinks they need firearm safety training then they can sign up for one of my classes. I am a NRA Certified Firearms Instructor and I will glad to teach them anything they need to know. I do it several times a year.

You did get government rules as to how you built that pool. As an attractive nuisance, the pool required you supplied some way to keep neighborhood kids out of it. There are lots of reasonable restrictions required for a pool. Since the gun nuts and the NRA are blocking reasonable restrictions on guns, they should at least require training.

Pools are not a constitutional right, nor are they regulated by the federal government. Pool laws are local usually by the city or town.

You might want to check on federal rules for pool drains and a few other federally controlled aspects of building a pool, but even if there are some state rules, they are still government imposed. I thought you hated all government control.

Are you talking building codes or pool safety regulations?

Two entirely different things.

 

[BULLDOG]

[Q


What penalty does the NRA advocate if you do leave a loaded gun laying around and your kid shoots themselves with said gun?

What penalty do you advocate for yourself if you have a swimming pool and your child drowns in it? There are thousands of children that have drowned in swimming pools.

Should you go to jail?

It is the responsibility of a parent to protect their children from hazards. The NRA provides training and children's programs to promote safe firearms ownership.

If you agree that children should be taught to not touch firearms and that parents should keep the firearms out of the accessibility of children then you should put your money where your mouth is and join the largest gun safety in the world.

Whenever there is a tragedy with a firearm and children there is usually irresponsibility on the part of some adult along the way. No different than any other tragedies that unfortunately happens in many homes every day.

More reason to at least require some training for gun owners. Many people really don't know the dangers to a child. of having a gun around. They think "those tragedies will never happen to my family". They need to be told how often it does happen, and what they should do to prevent it.

If somebody is that stupid not to be able to realize the dangers of a child with a gun, then they shouldn't even be allowed to have electricity hooked up to their home.

The truth of the matter is in a society as large as ours, we are always going to have stupid people, and no class in the world will teach somebody how not to be stupid. You are either stupid or you're not.

Limiting the ability for a child to have access to a firearm is common sense. But as I said, common sense can't be taught. Making a law that all firearm owners must attend a class is like making all parents who own a car take classes to learn not to lock their child in a hot car during the summer which happens several times a year.

There might not be a class specifically on locking children in a car, but it is a question on the government mandated test to get a license. The issue is covered.

 

[BULLDOG]

[Q


More reason to at least require some training for gun owners. Many people really don't know the dangers to a child. of having a gun around. They think "those tragedies will never happen to my family". They need to be told how often it does happen, and what they should do to prevent it.

I didn't get any government mandated training on pool safety when I put in my swimming pool. I didn't get any government mandated safety training when I bought my chain saw, which is probably much more dangerous than any firearm I own.

As far as I know there is no government mandated safety training required before a woman gets and abortion. After all the abortion results in the death of a child. Shouldn't a woman be required to understand how dangerous it is to her child?

It is my responsibility to provide a safe home environment for my children. The right to keep and bear arms is a right protected under the Constitution of the US and it specifically says that the right shall not be infringed. It doesn't say a damn thing about the right being contingent upon some kind of stupid and most likely ineffective bureaucratic governmental "training".

If someone thinks they need firearm safety training then they can sign up for one of my classes. I am a NRA Certified Firearms Instructor and I will glad to teach them anything they need to know. I do it several times a year.

You did get government rules as to how you built that pool. As an attractive nuisance, the pool required you supplied some way to keep neighborhood kids out of it. There are lots of reasonable restrictions required for a pool. Since the gun nuts and the NRA are blocking reasonable restrictions on guns, they should at least require training.

Pools are not a constitutional right, nor are they regulated by the federal government. Pool laws are local usually by the city or town.

You might want to check on federal rules for pool drains and a few other federally controlled aspects of building a pool, but even if there are some state rules, they are still government imposed. I thought you hated all government control.

Are you talking building codes or pool safety regulations?

Two entirely different things.

Classify it however you want, but there are federal rules that must be followed.

 

[Flash]

[Q

Are you talking building codes or pool safety regulations?

Two entirely different things.

He first talked about mandatory government training for firearm ownership.

When I called him on it he deflected the discussion to building codes.

Typical Libtard confusion.

 

[Flash]

[



Classify it however you want, but there are federal rules that must be followed.

Screw the Federal government. It has no authority to regulate the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. "Shall not be infringed" is pretty damn self explanatory.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I didn't get any government mandated training on pool safety when I put in my swimming pool. I didn't get any government mandated safety training when I bought my chain saw, which is probably much more dangerous than any firearm I own.

As far as I know there is no government mandated safety training required before a woman gets and abortion. After all the abortion results in the death of a child. Shouldn't a woman be required to understand how dangerous it is to her child?

It is my responsibility to provide a safe home environment for my children. The right to keep and bear arms is a right protected under the Constitution of the US and it specifically says that the right shall not be infringed. It doesn't say a damn thing about the right being contingent upon some kind of stupid and most likely ineffective bureaucratic governmental "training".

If someone thinks they need firearm safety training then they can sign up for one of my classes. I am a NRA Certified Firearms Instructor and I will glad to teach them anything they need to know. I do it several times a year.

You did get government rules as to how you built that pool. As an attractive nuisance, the pool required you supplied some way to keep neighborhood kids out of it. There are lots of reasonable restrictions required for a pool. Since the gun nuts and the NRA are blocking reasonable restrictions on guns, they should at least require training.

Pools are not a constitutional right, nor are they regulated by the federal government. Pool laws are local usually by the city or town.

You might want to check on federal rules for pool drains and a few other federally controlled aspects of building a pool, but even if there are some state rules, they are still government imposed. I thought you hated all government control.

Are you talking building codes or pool safety regulations?

Two entirely different things.

Classify it however you want, but there are federal rules that must be followed.

Just like there are federal rules for guns--but safety shouldn't be one of them no more than swimming pool safety.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey moron you cherry picked your numbers from incarcerated felons only

Um, yeah, that's who we lock up are "Felons". SOrry you are confused on this point.

 

[hadit]

Quit lying. You people don't care about the deaths. This is all political. If you cared about deaths, you WOULD want to ban swimming pools since MANY more people die in drowning accidents. Your chances of drowning are MUCH greater (if you swim) than your chances of being shot.

This is true. Society has decided that some freedoms are worth the lives lost exercising them. Swimming pool ownership is one, driving fast is another, and gun ownership is another.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Hey moron you cherry picked your numbers from incarcerated felons only

Um, yeah, that's who we lock up are "Felons". SOrry you are confused on this point.

There are crimes that aren't felonies that can have jail time as a punishment, moron

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Quit lying. You people don't care about the deaths. This is all political. If you cared about deaths, you WOULD want to ban swimming pools since MANY more people die in drowning accidents. Your chances of drowning are MUCH greater (if you swim) than your chances of being shot.

This is true. Society has decided that some freedoms are worth the lives lost exercising them. Swimming pool ownership is one, driving fast is another, and gun ownership is another.

Society may have decided that, but liberals haven't.

Every time there is a problem regardless of how rare it occurs, liberals believe they have to provide a solution. And because liberals believe it's their job to provide a solution to everything, 99% of the time that solution is more government.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey moron you cherry picked your numbers from incarcerated felons only

Um, yeah, that's who we lock up are "Felons". SOrry you are confused on this point.

There are crimes that aren't felonies that can have jail time as a punishment, moron

Guy, just man up and admit you made a mistake. Don't keep trying to double down because you are too much of a malignant narcissist to admit that you repeated a bit of 'conventional wisdom' without actually checking it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Hey moron you cherry picked your numbers from incarcerated felons only

Um, yeah, that's who we lock up are "Felons". SOrry you are confused on this point.

There are crimes that aren't felonies that can have jail time as a punishment, moron

Guy, just man up and admit you made a mistake. Don't keep trying to double down because you are too much of a malignant narcissist to admit that you repeated a bit of 'conventional wisdom' without actually checking it.

I didn't More than half of all people in our prisons are in for drug charges

I don't know how you can believe a number that said it 30% less than federal numbers since you believe everything else the government tells you

 

[ChrisL]

Quit lying. You people don't care about the deaths. This is all political. If you cared about deaths, you WOULD want to ban swimming pools since MANY more people die in drowning accidents. Your chances of drowning are MUCH greater (if you swim) than your chances of being shot.

That's not true.

33,000 gun fatalities a year.

vs.

• From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 347 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.2

CDC - Water-Related Injuries Facts - Home and Recreational Safety - Injury Center

YOu are far more likely to be killed by a firearm than drown in ANY body of water. (I think it's safe to assume not all those drownings happen in pools.)

Hmmm. You are cherry picking your data by only using certain years. Overall, many, many more people die from drowning than from being shot.

Causes of Death, 2000
Age in years all ages <1 1-4 5-14 15-24 25-34 35-44 45-54 55-64 65-74 75-84 ≥85 not stated
Drowning or submergence 3,482 75 493 375 646 419 480 354 217 179 156 64 24
Accidental firearm discharge 776 1 18 67 202 131 153 78 50 41 24 11 0

I am puzzled and disappointed by their listing of both "Fatal Drowning" and "Non-Fatal Drowning." CDC, learn to speak English! Drowning is death by water, while near drowning is almost dying because of water. Similarly, when you receive a bad but non-fatal electrical shock, what happened is that you were shocked. If it actually kills you, then that iselectrocution.

More useful data on drowning is listed in the CDC's Drowning — United States, 2005—2009 report,