Florida Republicans to gun hating doctors mind your own business

[hadit]

Near as I recall, Lanza didn't walk into a gun store and buy one.

No, his batshit crazy mother did. The one who was stocking up on guns like the Zombie Apocolypse was about to break out.

You're stumbling perilously close to a real change, so be careful lest you wander into something that is not caused by guns. I'll let you in on it if you don't realize where you are. Guns have always been an indispensable tool used for protection against wild animals and assailants as well as access to food. Like I said, kids could bring a gun with them to school, hunt on the way home, and no schools were shot up.

Actually, no, they couldn't. Not in most of the country, where kids grew up in cities...

There is no good reason for a civilian to own a gun under most circumstances.

Interesting falsehood. Not only has hunting NOT stopped, it is encouraged by responsible officials who don't want populations of prey animals to explode since we've removed their natural predators. Ever hit a deer with a car? You really should check into these things before spouting off on them.

In 1970, over 40 million Americans purchased hunting licences.. In 2009, that number was down to 12 million. Half of those were over age 47. Yes, hunting has declined. And frankly, this is a good thing, it means we have less people learning to be sadists.

And it remains an officially recognized means to control populations of prey animals.

I'm really starting to think he has minimal interactions with real people, given his terror that he will be a statistic in a mass shooting somewhere. I'm also a little worried about that whole psycho-sexual obsession with male genitalia he has.

I usually find that when people speculate on what i "must' be like, its an admission they really can't argue against what I am pointing out.

In this case it's because you continually talk about penises when we're discussion guns.

Now, we have people with sexual obsessions about male genitalia who are so disturbed by phallic symbols that they demand to control others' access to guns. I'm not quite sure where the abject terror comes from that somewhere, somehow, someone might be enjoying sharpening their target shooting abilities or filling their family's freezer with fresh game. It must be a sad existence, to live in so much fear all the time.

Actually that terror comes from

33,000 deaths from guns a year.
70,000 injuries from guns a year.
400,000 crimes committed with guns a year
$270,000,000,000 in economic losses related to gun violence every year.

The fact you have a weird need to slaughter animals is a bit worrisome, but the fact is, the numbers are truly appalling.

Before we go any further, I must insist that you use accurate numbers. More people kill themselves with guns than other people, so stop whining about 33,000 deaths from guns making you afraid to leave the basement. Your number for 2012 was less than 12,000, so until you use accurate numbers there is no reason to discuss it further. Now, I find it interesting that you cite the number of crimes committed with guns each year while ignoring the million plus times guns PREVENT violent crime without even being fired. So, unless you're willing to adjust your numbers, I will conclude that you are paranoid without cause and thus cannot conduct a reasonable discussion. And, BTW, you are speculating on what I "must" be like. Did you even realize you were doing that? I don't hunt.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Everyone is selfish. Haven't you realized that yet?

It's selfish of you to want to force people to live just so you won't feel the pain of a loss

are you some kind of retard? When someone you know kills themselves, do you show up at the funeral talking this kind of shit?

If someone I knew killed himself I would accept it mourn and move on I would not have told him that he must live so I won't have to feel the grief of his passing

 

[JoeB131]

Before we go any further, I must insist that you use accurate numbers. More people kill themselves with guns than other people, so stop whining about 33,000 deaths from guns making you afraid to leave the basement. Your number for 2012 was less than 12,000, so until you use accurate numbers there is no reason to discuss it further. Now, I find it interesting that you cite the number of crimes committed with guns each year while ignoring the million plus times guns PREVENT violent crime without even being fired. So, unless you're willing to adjust your numbers, I will conclude that you are paranoid without cause and thus cannot conduct a reasonable discussion. And, BTW, you are speculating on what I "must" be like. Did you even realize you were doing that? I don't hunt.

Well, I'm not ignoring the millions of times it happens, I'm saying it doesn't happen "Millions" of times. It doesn't happen hundreds of thousands of times. The FBI estimated is happens about 49,000 times a year. And frankly I consider that number suspect.

Why? Because the FBI also found in 2011, only 201 times someone was found to have killed someone with a gun and it was ruled "Justified".

So if you accept even the low ball 49,000 number, you'd have to believe that guns are pulled in anger 980 times and only fired once. That's just fucking absurd. It's even more absurd when you throw out bullshit numbers like Kleck.

But 1.5 million times a gun made a white boy feel better about his tiny dick? Yeah. That's plausible.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yeah I am OK if people choose to commit suicide it is not my place to tell anyone they cannot choose to live or die. And People have been murdering people since there have been people on this earth there is nothing you can do to stop it.

Of course you are okay with people dying because they are depressed, because you are a - wait for it - malignant narcissist.

I think of all the misery a person who takes his on life inflicts on the people they leave behind and realize it's an incredibly selfish act that should be prevented.

And if you took every single gun away from Americans, guess what, you still couldn't prevent it.

You have all this heart melting sympathy for those who may want to kill themselves, yet could care less if you left Americans defenseless against the criminal element when they come to rob you on the street, in the store, or your very own home. F them. They can die as far as you're concerned. As long as they didn't have a gun to defend themselves with, you're quite happy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And just when did Americans only have 40 million guns?

I posted the chart.

Here's the thing. the Gun Industry used to be responsible. their market was hunters.

Then hunting stopped being a cool sport. Probably because murdering animals for fun isn't cool. but never mind. People stopped doing it.

so then the gun industry decided to start selling fear. Fear of criminals. Fear of the government. Fear someone might notice how tiny your dick is.

Interesting falsehood. Not only has hunting NOT stopped, it is encouraged by responsible officials who don't want populations of prey animals to explode since we've removed their natural predators. Ever hit a deer with a car? You really should check into these things before spouting off on them.

Joe has zero commonsense, I guess living in his moms basement has made it so...

I'm really starting to think he has minimal interactions with real people, given his terror that he will be a statistic in a mass shooting somewhere. I'm also a little worried about that whole psycho-sexual obsession with male genitalia he has.

Agreed. That is disturbing.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And just when did Americans only have 40 million guns?

I posted the chart.

Here's the thing. the Gun Industry used to be responsible. their market was hunters.

Then hunting stopped being a cool sport. Probably because murdering animals for fun isn't cool. but never mind. People stopped doing it.

so then the gun industry decided to start selling fear. Fear of criminals. Fear of the government. Fear someone might notice how tiny your dick is.

Interesting falsehood. Not only has hunting NOT stopped, it is encouraged by responsible officials who don't want populations of prey animals to explode since we've removed their natural predators. Ever hit a deer with a car? You really should check into these things before spouting off on them.

Car and Deer Collisions Cause 200 Deaths, Cost $4 Billion a Year

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And just when did Americans only have 40 million guns?

I posted the chart.

Here's the thing. the Gun Industry used to be responsible. their market was hunters.

Then hunting stopped being a cool sport. Probably because murdering animals for fun isn't cool. but never mind. People stopped doing it.

so then the gun industry decided to start selling fear. Fear of criminals. Fear of the government. Fear someone might notice how tiny your dick is.

Glad to see your over concern about my dick, but hunting is just as popular as ever. True, some have found better things to do, but hunting still goes on in this country.

The gun industry didn't give us fear of criminals or government--the Democrat party did.

And let's face it, nobody is the biggest seller of guns than your very own Communist President. He's probably responsible for doubling the gun sales and ammo in this country during his seven years in office.

And hey Joe......if you are ever confronted by a guy with a gun demanding your money, and he beats you head to toe with that gun as you lay defenseless, remember: whip out your dick to stop him.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And just when did Americans only have 40 million guns?

I posted the chart.

Here's the thing. the Gun Industry used to be responsible. their market was hunters.

Then hunting stopped being a cool sport. Probably because murdering animals for fun isn't cool. but never mind. People stopped doing it.

so then the gun industry decided to start selling fear. Fear of criminals. Fear of the government. Fear someone might notice how tiny your dick is.

Glad to see your over concern about my dick, but hunting is just as popular as ever. True, some have found better things to do, but hunting still goes on in this country.

The gun industry didn't give us fear of criminals or government--the Democrat party did.

And let's face it, nobody is the biggest seller of guns than your very own Communist President. He's probably responsible for doubling the gun sales and ammo in this country during his seven years in office.

And hey Joe......if you are ever confronted by a guy with a gun demanding your money, and he beats you head to toe with that gun as you lay defenseless, remember: whip out your dick to stop him.

Joe is a closeted homo

I've told him to just come out already

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And just when did Americans only have 40 million guns?

I posted the chart.

Here's the thing. the Gun Industry used to be responsible. their market was hunters.

Then hunting stopped being a cool sport. Probably because murdering animals for fun isn't cool. but never mind. People stopped doing it.

so then the gun industry decided to start selling fear. Fear of criminals. Fear of the government. Fear someone might notice how tiny your dick is.

Glad to see your over concern about my dick, but hunting is just as popular as ever. True, some have found better things to do, but hunting still goes on in this country.

The gun industry didn't give us fear of criminals or government--the Democrat party did.

And let's face it, nobody is the biggest seller of guns than your very own Communist President. He's probably responsible for doubling the gun sales and ammo in this country during his seven years in office.

And hey Joe......if you are ever confronted by a guy with a gun demanding your money, and he beats you head to toe with that gun as you lay defenseless, remember: whip out your dick to stop him.

Joe is a closeted homo

I've told him to just come out already

More than likely. If not, he hasn't realized it yet and is torturing himself.

 

[JoeB131]

And if you took every single gun away from Americans, guess what, you still couldn't prevent it.

No, but you could reduce it be a good amount.

You have all this heart melting sympathy for those who may want to kill themselves, yet could care less if you left Americans defenseless against the criminal element when they come to rob you on the street, in the store, or your very own home. F them. They can die as far as you're concerned. As long as they didn't have a gun to defend themselves with, you're quite happy.

If you are happy to live in a society with obscene racism and wealth inequality, you should probably learn to live with crime. Or you can maybe fix those root cause problems, but that would be too "socialist-y" for you, I'm sure.

Fact is, DGU's are so rare that they are irrelevent. Simply the 200 Justifiable homicides are not worth the 33,000 unjustifiable ones.

Glad to see your over concern about my dick, but hunting is just as popular as ever. True, some have found better things to do, but hunting still goes on in this country.

Again, no. Hunting licenses have shrunk from 40 million in 1970 to 16 million in 2009, and half of those were guys over 47. Hunting is a sick-ass hobby that will thankfully disappear. The country will be better off for it.

And let's face it, nobody is the biggest seller of guns than your very own Communist President. He's probably responsible for doubling the gun sales and ammo in this country during his seven years in office.

And hey Joe......if you are ever confronted by a guy with a gun demanding your money, and he beats you head to toe with that gun as you lay defenseless, remember: whip out your dick to stop him.

The reason why he has a gun to start with is the gun industry made it easy for him to get one. That's the point. But you can live with your fear of Scary Negroes who got bigger dicks than you have...

 

[hadit]

Before we go any further, I must insist that you use accurate numbers. More people kill themselves with guns than other people, so stop whining about 33,000 deaths from guns making you afraid to leave the basement. Your number for 2012 was less than 12,000, so until you use accurate numbers there is no reason to discuss it further. Now, I find it interesting that you cite the number of crimes committed with guns each year while ignoring the million plus times guns PREVENT violent crime without even being fired. So, unless you're willing to adjust your numbers, I will conclude that you are paranoid without cause and thus cannot conduct a reasonable discussion. And, BTW, you are speculating on what I "must" be like. Did you even realize you were doing that? I don't hunt.

Well, I'm not ignoring the millions of times it happens, I'm saying it doesn't happen "Millions" of times. It doesn't happen hundreds of thousands of times. The FBI estimated is happens about 49,000 times a year. And frankly I consider that number suspect.

Why? Because the FBI also found in 2011, only 201 times someone was found to have killed someone with a gun and it was ruled "Justified".

So if you accept even the low ball 49,000 number, you'd have to believe that guns are pulled in anger 980 times and only fired once. That's just fucking absurd. It's even more absurd when you throw out bullshit numbers like Kleck.

But 1.5 million times a gun made a white boy feel better about his tiny dick? Yeah. That's plausible.

So, are you willing to use accurate numbers or not? Your fear of the 30,000 number is false.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Now, I find it interesting that you cite the number of crimes committed with guns each year while ignoring the million plus times guns PREVENT violent crime without even being fired.

Sure would be great if you could prove that claim of DGUs at the pace of 1.5 million a year. From a discredited survey done 20 years ago.

But you cant prove those numbers. Yet here you are still quoting them like they are gospel. Funny shit.

 

[hadit]

Now, I find it interesting that you cite the number of crimes committed with guns each year while ignoring the million plus times guns PREVENT violent crime without even being fired.

Sure would be great if you could prove that claim of DGUs at the pace of 1.5 million a year. From a discredited survey done 20 years ago.

But you cant prove those numbers. Yet here you are still quoting them like they are gospel. Funny shit.

The fact remains that guns are frequently used to prevent violent crime without being discharged, thus saving lives. Why do you want people to die?

 

[Wilbur Right]

The fact remains that guns are frequently used to prevent violent crime without being discharged, thus saving lives. Why do you want people to die?

I do not dispute that there are occasions where DGUs occur.
In do contest the frequencies that are claimed by some people of anywhere from 1.5 million up to 3 million.

I have read realistic numbers of from 80 thousand up to 110 thousand. Those numbers make much more sense.

I do not believe there are 5000 DGUs each and every day of the year. Do you?

 

[hadit]

The fact remains that guns are frequently used to prevent violent crime without being discharged, thus saving lives. Why do you want people to die?

I do not dispute that there are occasions where DGUs occur.
In do contest the frequencies that are claimed by some people of anywhere from 1.5 million up to 3 million.

I have read realistic numbers of from 80 thousand up to 110 thousand. Those numbers make much more sense.

I do not believe there are 5000 DGUs each and every day of the year. Do you?

It's hard to say. On the one hand I agree that it seems like a lot, but OTOH, in a population of 300 million, it is possible.

 

[JoeB131]

The fact remains that guns are frequently used to prevent violent crime without being discharged, thus saving lives. Why do you want people to die?

Because you claim is without foundation. Completely ignore the fact that youwould have to believe that you gun nuts with your tiny dicks would have to pull out your guns 7500 times for the every one time you had to shoot the scary darkie. (Because that would be the imaginary 1,500,000 DGU's vs. 200 verified justifiable homicides with guns)

you would also have to conclude that there were be a HUGE murder rate in countries where citizens aren't allowed to own guns, as every criminal has murder on his mind. In fact, the oppossite is true. There are very few murders in Italy, Germany, the UK or France, where gun ownership iseither limited or outright banned.

 

[JoeB131]

So, are you willing to use accurate numbers or not? Your fear of the 30,000 number is false.

uh,no, we really do have 33,000 gun deaths every year. So, no, that's a reasonable thing to be afraid of. My next door neighbor shot himself, after he did a dry run a few weeks earlier when he shot a bullet across the parkinglot of our complex.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The fact remains that guns are frequently used to prevent violent crime without being discharged, thus saving lives. Why do you want people to die?

Because you claim is without foundation. Completely ignore the fact that youwould have to believe that you gun nuts with your tiny dicks would have to pull out your guns 7500 times for the every one time you had to shoot the scary darkie. (Because that would be the imaginary 1,500,000 DGU's vs. 200 verified justifiable homicides with guns)

you would also have to conclude that there were be a HUGE murder rate in countries where citizens aren't allowed to own guns, as every criminal has murder on his mind. In fact, the oppossite is true. There are very few murders in Italy, Germany, the UK or France, where gun ownership iseither limited or outright banned.

Then you tell us how many times people use a gun in self defense without killing anyone

 

[Skull Pilot]

http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf

According to the NCVS, looking at the total number of self-protective behaviors undertaken by victims of both attempted and completed violent crime for the five year period 2007 through 2011, in only 0.8 percent of these instances had the intended victim in resistance to a criminal “threatened or attacked with a firearm.”11 As detailed in the chart on the next page, for the five-year period 2007 through 2011, the NCVS estimates that there were 29,618,300 victims of attempted or completed violent crime. During this same five-year period, only 235,700 of the self-protective behaviors involved a firearm. Of this number, it is not known what type of firearm was used or whether it was fired or not. The number may also include off-duty law enforcement officers who use their firearms in self-defense.

So in 5 years 235,700 people used a gun to protect themselves from a violent crime

That's more than were murder victims
Suicide is not a crime therefore it doesn't count since a person cannot act in self defense against himself

 

[JoeB131]

Then you tell us how many times people use a gun in self defense without killing anyone

Probably almost never. The problem is that most of these cases, the person they pulled a gun on probably wasnt' an actual threat.

The FBI has a figure of 49,000 DGU's vs. 200 Justifiable homicides. I think even THAT one is too high. It means for every time you put one in the morgue, you'd have to wave your "compensation" around at someone 245 times without killing them.

I just don't find that credible. Not with the way you guys get on here talking about all the people you just can't wait to shoot.

But let's use the FBI numbers because it comes from the NCVS, which is a rolling survey of thousands of people (As opposedto Kleck's nonsense, where he interviewed a few hundred people one time and extrapolated for the whole country.

So 49,000 times a usually non-fatal crime was prevented vs. 33,000 deaths and 70,000 injuries and 400,000 a documented crime was committed with a gun because it was just too darned easy for the bad guys to get them.

Not worth it. Just give him your fucking TV. It's insured.