Freedom Works, Socialism Doesn't

[KNB]

Medicare and Social Security continue on , and the GOP is a scared as ever to admit to really being against them in their stone hearts.

You're darn right I don't support social security and Medicare. If those programs didn't exist, paychecks would be about 25% higher for the average worker. People could plan for their own retirement. After all, we already have 401(k) and the IRA.

I happen to think that people make better decisions with THEIR money than the government does with OTHERS' money. This is a major philosophical difference between you and me, and it can't be bridged easily.

But yes, I think Social Security and Medicare shouldn't exist and should be phased out. There, I said it.

EDIT: Social Security and Medicare make people slaves to the state. I don't want bondage and slavery to the government. I want freedom and liberty. The Constitution means something to me; I don't know about you.

Where do you get the idea that paychecks would go up if Social Security was discontinued? Why would corporations suddenly raise wages?

 

[Hoosier4Liberty]

Medicare and Social Security continue on , and the GOP is a scared as ever to admit to really being against them in their stone hearts.

You're darn right I don't support social security and Medicare. If those programs didn't exist, paychecks would be about 25% higher for the average worker. People could plan for their own retirement. After all, we already have 401(k) and the IRA.

I happen to think that people make better decisions with THEIR money than the government does with OTHERS' money. This is a major philosophical difference between you and me, and it can't be bridged easily.

But yes, I think Social Security and Medicare shouldn't exist and should be phased out. There, I said it.

EDIT: Social Security and Medicare make people slaves to the state. I don't want bondage and slavery to the government. I want freedom and liberty. The Constitution means something to me; I don't know about you.

Where do you get the idea that paychecks would go up if Social Security was discontinued? Why would corporations suddenly raise wages?

Social security is funded by the payroll tax. No payroll tax, people get to keep more of their own money!

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Not only do democrat socialists destroy economies, they make things dangerous, too. Every high crime jurisdiction in the country is run by democrats.

 

[KNB]

You're darn right I don't support social security and Medicare. If those programs didn't exist, paychecks would be about 25% higher for the average worker. People could plan for their own retirement. After all, we already have 401(k) and the IRA.

I happen to think that people make better decisions with THEIR money than the government does with OTHERS' money. This is a major philosophical difference between you and me, and it can't be bridged easily.

But yes, I think Social Security and Medicare shouldn't exist and should be phased out. There, I said it.

EDIT: Social Security and Medicare make people slaves to the state. I don't want bondage and slavery to the government. I want freedom and liberty. The Constitution means something to me; I don't know about you.

Where do you get the idea that paychecks would go up if Social Security was discontinued? Why would corporations suddenly raise wages?

Social security is funded by the payroll tax. No payroll tax, people get to keep more of their own money!

And how would that create a safety net for poor and disabled elderly people?

 

[KNB]

Not only do democrat socialists destroy economies, they make things dangerous, too. Every high crime jurisdiction in the country is run by democrats.

The economy crashed in 2007. Liberals weren't in charge then.

Liberals weren't in charge before or since, either.

 

[bripat9643]

How well did that freedom work for actual jobs paying a living wage??

I have an actual job that pays far more than a "living wage." I live in Florida.

You tell me.

 

[bripat9643]

How well did that freedom work prior to 1929???

I worked beautifully. How do you think the U.S. became the most powerful nation in the world long before WW I?

 

[bripat9643]

So why did CEOs make 25X the average worker in 1950, 80X in 1980, and over 300x today? Greedy CEOs, Mega rich Pubs, idiotic Reaganism, and ignorant, brainwashed hater dupes...

Because greedy unions lobbied state legislatures to make corporate takeovers impossible. That used to be one of the most effective ways to discipline corporate management. You can thank yourself for the growing wage gap.

 

[bripat9643]

Any chance we dump all this 'socialism', 'freedom', 'capitalism' nonsense at the bottom of a lake and try to fix problems?

Yet, you continue to spout socialism.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism works until you run out of other people's money! As long as there is money to be redistributed, the liberals will be after it. Once it is plundered, then comes revolution - if not before!

Why can't you people read and comprehend?

95% of financial gains since 2009 have gone to the richest 1% of the population.
https://www.google.com/search?q=95%25+financial+gains+1%25&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

When do liberals start redistributing all the rich people's money to poor moochers?

Then you will be voting Republican in 2014, I take it.

 

[bripat9643]

Obama is a Marxist for taking funds from the public and funneling them to rich corporations? That is Socialism to you?

When did the class war begin? 2008?

Yes, that is socialism. You really need to learn some economics.

 

[bripat9643]

Not only do democrat socialists destroy economies, they make things dangerous, too. Every high crime jurisdiction in the country is run by democrats.

The economy crashed in 2007. Liberals weren't in charge then.

Liberals weren't in charge before or since, either.

Liberals controlled the House and the Senate.

 

[auditor0007]

How well did that freedom work for actual jobs paying a living wage??

What is a living wage?


And Moonglow, why dont privates make the same as generals?

Why is it that generals only make about ten times more than a private when in the private sector, the CEO may make 300 times more than the average worker in that company? See the difference? Now, I'm not saying that there should be a cap on anyone's earnings, but if you can't see how having the CEO make 300 times as much as the average worker in the company is problematic, then you are just lost. Remember, that is 300 times the average paid worker, not the lowest paid. An Army General would only make about four times as much as the average paid soldier.

 

[American4Americ]

Social security is a fundamentally flawed system because it is based upon the liberal policies of SOCIALISM and COMMUNISM. Social security was doomed to failure the moment the worst president in the history of the U.S shoved it down the throats of honest Americans. Nobody supported social security. If Charles Lindbergh were elected, we would be a patriotic nation today.

 

[BlindBoo]

Socialism works until you run out of other people's money! As long as there is money to be redistributed, the liberals will be after it. Once it is plundered, then comes revolution - if not before!

Why can't you people read and comprehend?

95% of financial gains since 2009 have gone to the richest 1% of the population.
https://www.google.com/search?q=95%25+financial+gains+1%25&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

When do liberals start redistributing all the rich people's money to poor moochers?

First, I'm talking about policies at a state and city level. Clearly, the rich are taxed at a far higher rate in California than Texas, and thus businesses move to Texas to flee these high taxes. Second, with regards to Obama, redistribution can work in multiple ways. Obama takes from the successful businessman to give to Wall Street banks through quantitative easing, TARP, and the stimulus. Socialism means that wealth is taken for the purposes of redistribution......it doesn't matter who. Obama also redistributes to food stamp recipients and welfare queens. They may be at the opposite end of the spectrum, but the Solyndra executives and the welfare bums like Jason Greenslate have a lot in common.

The growth of the top 1% is almost entirely due to capital gains growth through the stock market's success. But for those who are new money rather than old money, ie the small businessman, there is a definite class war against them with Barack "You didn't build that" Obama.

Long term capital gain should be tax as income just like wages or short term capital gains.

Well, socialism did in fact build the infrastructure that the President was referring to that day, not and individuals effort to build their own business, as the Crossroads ads tell you.

The socialist movement in American has changed a great deal of things since dawn of the 20th Century. Most of them for the better too.

 

[regent]

Perhaps the difference between capitalism and socialism, is that capitalism means government helping business and socialism means government helping people, at least that is the way it comes out on these boards. In any case most industrialized countries have that type of economy, a mixed system of socialism and capitalism. Can anyone name a country that has pure capitalism or pure socialism?

 

[American4Americ]

Perhaps the difference between capitalism and socialism, is that capitalism means government helping business and socialism means government helping people, at least that is the way it comes out on these boards. In any case most industrialized countries have that type of economy, a mixed system of socialism and capitalism. Can anyone name a country that has pure capitalism or pure socialism?

God you are dumb.

 

[Mac1958]

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There are people who bristle when they're connected to "socialism" yet clearly take its side in conversations like this.

I wonder why that is.

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[bripat9643]

Why can't you people read and comprehend?

95% of financial gains since 2009 have gone to the richest 1% of the population.
https://www.google.com/search?q=95%25+financial+gains+1%25&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

When do liberals start redistributing all the rich people's money to poor moochers?

First, I'm talking about policies at a state and city level. Clearly, the rich are taxed at a far higher rate in California than Texas, and thus businesses move to Texas to flee these high taxes. Second, with regards to Obama, redistribution can work in multiple ways. Obama takes from the successful businessman to give to Wall Street banks through quantitative easing, TARP, and the stimulus. Socialism means that wealth is taken for the purposes of redistribution......it doesn't matter who. Obama also redistributes to food stamp recipients and welfare queens. They may be at the opposite end of the spectrum, but the Solyndra executives and the welfare bums like Jason Greenslate have a lot in common.

The growth of the top 1% is almost entirely due to capital gains growth through the stock market's success. But for those who are new money rather than old money, ie the small businessman, there is a definite class war against them with Barack "You didn't build that" Obama.

Long term capital gain should be tax as income just like wages or short term capital gains.

Well, socialism did in fact build the infrastructure that the President was referring to that day, not and individuals effort to build their own business, as the Crossroads ads tell you.

The socialist movement in American has changed a great deal of things since dawn of the 20th Century. Most of them for the better too.

Obama was claiming the government built the man's business, not the roads, you fucking dumbass.

 

[Erand7899]

Feq CEOs and what they want- the ability to screw workers, pollute, get tax breaks and blackmail gov'ts, and save on their own taxes. Pub dupes!

People want and need jobs, Dumbass. That is how the vast majority of Americans provide for themselves and their families.

Without corporations, businessmen, and CEOs, there are no jobs available for the millions of people who depend on jobs.