Freedom Works, Socialism Doesn't

[bripat9643]

'Works' for what? If you're talking about productivity and national efficiency, I'd say socialism can work pretty well, especially if backed up by strong nationalistic fascism.

Examples?

China's doing pretty well about now. Nazi Germany had things cranking there for awhile. Don't get me wrong, I'd never wanna live under such a regime, but if the only concern is keeping everyone marching forward, there's no reason soclialism can't work. As long as no one gives a shit about silly luxuries like individual liberty.

Nazi Germany's economy was not growing very fast. It had low unemployment only because the government used make-work projects to sop up all the people who couldn't get a job in the private sector.

China has adopted the institutions of private property and the market economy. It's not "socialist" any more than the United States is socialist. China's growth is the result of liberalizing its economy. Underdeveloped countries can always grow faster than developed countries because they don't have to develop new technology to increase their productivity. All they have to do is adopt the technology that the developed countries have already invented.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism doesn't work. Look at China. Since capitalism was introduced there, the standard of living became much higher on an average. If China would still be the old totalitarian, communistic state, it wouldn't be as rich as it is now.

China isn't doing capitalism, which requires free markets. They're doing state-sponsored corporatism, which is really just another flavor of socialism.

That's pretty much what we are doing as well.

 

[bripat9643]

Of course it was. Only partisans can say they believe otherwise.

Anyone who speaks correct English can say otherwise.

Anyone who speaks correct English And has the attention span of a gold fish who can only retain one sentence at a time can say otherwise

There fixed it for you.

Putting Mitt Romney's attacks on 'You didn't build that' to the Truth-O-Meter | PolitiFact

In speeches and videos, the Romney campaign has repeatedly distorted Obama's words. By plucking two sentences out of context, Romney twists the president's remarks and ignores their real meaning.

The preceding sentences make clear that Obama was talking about the importance of government-provided infrastructure and education to the success of private businesses.

Romney also conveniently ignores Obama's clear summary of his message, that "the point is ... that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

By leaving out the "individual initiative" reference, Romney and his supporters have misled viewers and given a false impression. For that, we rate the claim False.

Not the first time the loony fringe have swallowed the GOP lie. Surely wont be the last.

Romney had the context exactly correct. Only a brain damaged retard would believe the way you and the rest of the Obama dick suckers are trying to spin his remarks. He got caught claiming that entrepreneurs don't deserve any credit for building their businesses. He made it plain that he disdains businessmen and their accomplishments.

 

[BlindBoo]

Anyone who speaks correct English can say otherwise.

Anyone who speaks correct English And has the attention span of a gold fish who can only retain one sentence at a time can say otherwise

There fixed it for you.

Putting Mitt Romney's attacks on 'You didn't build that' to the Truth-O-Meter | PolitiFact

In speeches and videos, the Romney campaign has repeatedly distorted Obama's words. By plucking two sentences out of context, Romney twists the president's remarks and ignores their real meaning.

The preceding sentences make clear that Obama was talking about the importance of government-provided infrastructure and education to the success of private businesses.

Romney also conveniently ignores Obama's clear summary of his message, that "the point is ... that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

By leaving out the "individual initiative" reference, Romney and his supporters have misled viewers and given a false impression. For that, we rate the claim False.

Not the first time the loony fringe have swallowed the GOP lie. Surely wont be the last.

Romney had the context exactly correct. Only a brain damaged retard would believe the way you and the rest of the Obama dick suckers are trying to spin his remarks. He got caught claiming that entrepreneurs don't deserve any credit for building their businesses. He made it plain that he disdains businessmen and their accomplishments.

Truthiness is. Regardless of how you feel, as a campaign attack it was an epic failure. Only the faithful pseudo-conservatives felt that is what the president had said in context.

Romney?s ?you didn?t build that? attack: An epic FAIL - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

 

[bripat9643]

Anyone who speaks correct English And has the attention span of a gold fish who can only retain one sentence at a time can say otherwise

There fixed it for you.

Putting Mitt Romney's attacks on 'You didn't build that' to the Truth-O-Meter | PolitiFact

In speeches and videos, the Romney campaign has repeatedly distorted Obama's words. By plucking two sentences out of context, Romney twists the president's remarks and ignores their real meaning.

The preceding sentences make clear that Obama was talking about the importance of government-provided infrastructure and education to the success of private businesses.

Romney also conveniently ignores Obama's clear summary of his message, that "the point is ... that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

By leaving out the "individual initiative" reference, Romney and his supporters have misled viewers and given a false impression. For that, we rate the claim False.

Not the first time the loony fringe have swallowed the GOP lie. Surely wont be the last.

Romney had the context exactly correct. Only a brain damaged retard would believe the way you and the rest of the Obama dick suckers are trying to spin his remarks. He got caught claiming that entrepreneurs don't deserve any credit for building their businesses. He made it plain that he disdains businessmen and their accomplishments.

Truthiness is. Regardless of how you feel, as a campaign attack it was an epic failure. Only the faithful pseudo-conservatives felt that is what the president had said in context.

Romney?s ?you didn?t build that? attack: An epic FAIL - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

It was a remarkably effective attack because it was so obviously true. The Washington Post is about as credible as Pravda was under the former Soviet Union.

 

[BlindBoo]

Romney had the context exactly correct. Only a brain damaged retard would believe the way you and the rest of the Obama dick suckers are trying to spin his remarks. He got caught claiming that entrepreneurs don't deserve any credit for building their businesses. He made it plain that he disdains businessmen and their accomplishments.

Truthiness is. Regardless of how you feel, as a campaign attack it was an epic failure. Only the faithful pseudo-conservatives felt that is what the president had said in context.

Romney?s ?you didn?t build that? attack: An epic FAIL - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

It was a remarkably effective attack because it was so obviously true. The Washington Post is about as credible as Pravda was under the former Soviet Union.

I'm sure you feel that way, deep down, in your gut, dontcha?

 

[bripat9643]

Truthiness is. Regardless of how you feel, as a campaign attack it was an epic failure. Only the faithful pseudo-conservatives felt that is what the president had said in context.

Romney?s ?you didn?t build that? attack: An epic FAIL - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

It was a remarkably effective attack because it was so obviously true. The Washington Post is about as credible as Pravda was under the former Soviet Union.

I'm sure you feel that way, deep down, in your gut, dontcha?

What, that the Washington is a propaganda rag? No, we have objective evidence of that.

 

[BlindBoo]

It was a remarkably effective attack because it was so obviously true. The Washington Post is about as credible as Pravda was under the former Soviet Union.

I'm sure you feel that way, deep down, in your gut, dontcha?

What, that the Washington is a propaganda rag? No, we have objective evidence of that.

It was a NBC News/Wall Street Journal Survey that concluded the "You didn't build that" campaign was ineffective, not the Washington Post.

Of course the true measure of it's effectiveness or lack thereof, was shown on Nov. 6, 2012.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm sure you feel that way, deep down, in your gut, dontcha?

What, that the Washington is a propaganda rag? No, we have objective evidence of that.

It was a NBC News/Wall Street Journal Survey that concluded the "You didn't build that" campaign was ineffective, not the Washington Post.

Of course the true measure of it's effectiveness or lack thereof, was shown on Nov. 6, 2012.

No, one talking point does not make an entire campaign. The proves absolutely nothing, and NBC is worse than the Washington Post.

Here's the question the NBC News poll asked:

Barack Obama recently said that if you have been successful, you did not get there on your own. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create the American system that allowed you to thrive. He said if you have a business, you didn’t build that, somebody else made that happen. When we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. Does this make you feel more positive or more negative about Barack Obama, does it not make much difference in your opinion or do you not know enough about this to have an opinion at this time?

It includes all of Obama's weasel words, so it's nothing but bullshit propaganda.

 

[BlindBoo]

What, that the Washington is a propaganda rag? No, we have objective evidence of that.

It was a NBC News/Wall Street Journal Survey that concluded the "You didn't build that" campaign was ineffective, not the Washington Post.

Of course the true measure of it's effectiveness or lack thereof, was shown on Nov. 6, 2012.

No, one talking point does not make an entire campaign. The proves absolutely nothing, and NBC is worse than the Washington Post.

Here's the question the NBC News poll asked:

Barack Obama recently said that if you have been successful, you did not get there on your own. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create the American system that allowed you to thrive. He said if you have a business, you didn’t build that, somebody else made that happen. When we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. Does this make you feel more positive or more negative about Barack Obama, does it not make much difference in your opinion or do you not know enough about this to have an opinion at this time?

It includes all of Obama's weasel words, so it's nothing but bullshit propaganda.

It was indicative of their entire campaign strategy. Lie large and lie often and if you get caught, double down.