Freedom Works, Socialism Doesn't

[TemplarKormac]

Sure, I'd love for a liberal here to show me a concrete example that Socialism works. One.

 

[regent]

Perhaps the difference between capitalism and socialism, is that capitalism means government helping business and socialism means government helping people, at least that is the way it comes out on these boards. In any case most industrialized countries have that type of economy, a mixed system of socialism and capitalism. Can anyone name a country that has pure capitalism or pure socialism?

God you are dumb.

Guess you couldn't come up with a country that has a pure socialistic or capitalistic economy, and you got frustrated. There might be a couple but it would take some research to find them. But not to worry, I have a simpler more basic question for you, what is socialism?

 

[Moonglow]

Socialism works until you run out of other people's money! As long as there is money to be redistributed, the liberals will be after it. Once it is plundered, then comes revolution - if not before!

Why can't you people read and comprehend?

95% of financial gains since 2009 have gone to the richest 1% of the population.
https://www.google.com/search?q=95%25+financial+gains+1%25&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

When do liberals start redistributing all the rich people's money to poor moochers?

First, I'm talking about policies at a state and city level. Clearly, the rich are taxed at a far higher rate in California than Texas, and thus businesses move to Texas to flee these high taxes. Second, with regards to Obama, redistribution can work in multiple ways. Obama takes from the successful businessman to give to Wall Street banks through quantitative easing, TARP, and the stimulus. Socialism means that wealth is taken for the purposes of redistribution......it doesn't matter who. Obama also redistributes to food stamp recipients and welfare queens. They may be at the opposite end of the spectrum, but the Solyndra executives and the welfare bums like Jason Greenslate have a lot in common.

The growth of the top 1% is almost entirely due to capital gains growth through the stock market's success. But for those who are new money rather than old money, ie the small businessman, there is a definite class war against them with Barack "You didn't build that" Obama.

No matter who is president, there is class warfare of the 1% vs. the 99%. Look at jurisprudence.....

 

[BlindBoo]

First, I'm talking about policies at a state and city level. Clearly, the rich are taxed at a far higher rate in California than Texas, and thus businesses move to Texas to flee these high taxes. Second, with regards to Obama, redistribution can work in multiple ways. Obama takes from the successful businessman to give to Wall Street banks through quantitative easing, TARP, and the stimulus. Socialism means that wealth is taken for the purposes of redistribution......it doesn't matter who. Obama also redistributes to food stamp recipients and welfare queens. They may be at the opposite end of the spectrum, but the Solyndra executives and the welfare bums like Jason Greenslate have a lot in common.

The growth of the top 1% is almost entirely due to capital gains growth through the stock market's success. But for those who are new money rather than old money, ie the small businessman, there is a definite class war against them with Barack "You didn't build that" Obama.

Long term capital gain should be tax as income just like wages or short term capital gains.

Well, socialism did in fact build the infrastructure that the President was referring to that day, not and individuals effort to build their own business, as the Crossroads ads tell you.

The socialist movement in American has changed a great deal of things since dawn of the 20th Century. Most of them for the better too.

Obama was claiming the government built the man's business, not the roads, you fucking dumbass.

Nope, "that" was in reference to "this unbelievable American system ".

"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

Making an entire campaign slogan based on "If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that.", they had to get their people to believe that's what he said.

 

[regent]

Sure, I'd love for a liberal here to show me a concrete example that Socialism works. One.

If it doesn't work, why do so many nations have a mixed economy of socialism and capitalism?
Perhaps the problem is that most posters are unable to define socialism, but most have been led to believe that socialism leads to communism and so socialism is bad. As someone said, Americans like the practice of socialism but not the name.
If socialism is defined as the government getting involved in the nation's economic system the US began with socialism and has had socialistic programs as soon as the ink dried on the Constitution.

 

[zeke]

Why can't you people read and comprehend?

95% of financial gains since 2009 have gone to the richest 1% of the population.
https://www.google.com/search?q=95%25+financial+gains+1%25&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

When do liberals start redistributing all the rich people's money to poor moochers?

First, I'm talking about policies at a state and city level. Clearly, the rich are taxed at a far higher rate in California than Texas, and thus businesses move to Texas to flee these high taxes. Second, with regards to Obama, redistribution can work in multiple ways. Obama takes from the successful businessman to give to Wall Street banks through quantitative easing, TARP, and the stimulus. Socialism means that wealth is taken for the purposes of redistribution......it doesn't matter who. Obama also redistributes to food stamp recipients and welfare queens. They may be at the opposite end of the spectrum, but the Solyndra executives and the welfare bums like Jason Greenslate have a lot in common.

The growth of the top 1% is almost entirely due to capital gains growth through the stock market's success. But for those who are new money rather than old money, ie the small businessman, there is a definite class war against them with Barack "You didn't build that" Obama.

No matter who is president, there is class warfare of the 1% vs. the 99%. Look at jurisprudence.....

Just call it (our system) what it is; a plutocracy. Of the rich, by the rich, for the rich.

And it ain't so bad. Not nearly as bad as it could be.

 

[bripat9643]

First, I'm talking about policies at a state and city level. Clearly, the rich are taxed at a far higher rate in California than Texas, and thus businesses move to Texas to flee these high taxes. Second, with regards to Obama, redistribution can work in multiple ways. Obama takes from the successful businessman to give to Wall Street banks through quantitative easing, TARP, and the stimulus. Socialism means that wealth is taken for the purposes of redistribution......it doesn't matter who. Obama also redistributes to food stamp recipients and welfare queens. They may be at the opposite end of the spectrum, but the Solyndra executives and the welfare bums like Jason Greenslate have a lot in common.

The growth of the top 1% is almost entirely due to capital gains growth through the stock market's success. But for those who are new money rather than old money, ie the small businessman, there is a definite class war against them with Barack "You didn't build that" Obama.

No matter who is president, there is class warfare of the 1% vs. the 99%. Look at jurisprudence.....

Just call it (our system) what it is; a plutocracy. Of the rich, by the rich, for the rich.

And it ain't so bad. Not nearly as bad as it could be.

According to your definition of the term, any nation that allowed rich people to exist would be a plutocracy. That means every nation on Earth is a plutocracy. In other words, the term is just meaningless libturd bullshit propaganda.

 

[bripat9643]

Long term capital gain should be tax as income just like wages or short term capital gains.

Well, socialism did in fact build the infrastructure that the President was referring to that day, not and individuals effort to build their own business, as the Crossroads ads tell you.

The socialist movement in American has changed a great deal of things since dawn of the 20th Century. Most of them for the better too.

Obama was claiming the government built the man's business, not the roads, you fucking dumbass.

Nope, "that" was in reference to "this unbelievable American system ".

"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

Making an entire campaign slogan based on "If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that.", they had to get their people to believe that's what he said.

No it wasn't, dumbass. You even quoted the proof. "You didn't build that" refers to the first part of the sentence "If you've got a business." Your claim that it refers to an entirely separate sentence is so stupid that not even a Democrat would swallow it.

You must be illiterate if you don't understand what he was saying.

 

[bripat9643]

Sure, I'd love for a liberal here to show me a concrete example that Socialism works. One.

If it doesn't work, why do so many nations have a mixed economy of socialism and capitalism?
Perhaps the problem is that most posters are unable to define socialism, but most have been led to believe that socialism leads to communism and so socialism is bad. As someone said, Americans like the practice of socialism but not the name.
If socialism is defined as the government getting involved in the nation's economic system the US began with socialism and has had socialistic programs as soon as the ink dried on the Constitution.

It's very simple: the world is overpopulated with ignorant, no talent numskulls who would rather loot what other people have earned than earn it themselves. It's also overpopulated with power hungry politicians who understand that socialism gives them immense power over people. The fact that socialism is detrimental to the welfare of people who actually produce things isn't a consideration for these two groups.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

First, I'm talking about policies at a state and city level. Clearly, the rich are taxed at a far higher rate in California than Texas, and thus businesses move to Texas to flee these high taxes. Second, with regards to Obama, redistribution can work in multiple ways. Obama takes from the successful businessman to give to Wall Street banks through quantitative easing, TARP, and the stimulus. Socialism means that wealth is taken for the purposes of redistribution......it doesn't matter who. Obama also redistributes to food stamp recipients and welfare queens. They may be at the opposite end of the spectrum, but the Solyndra executives and the welfare bums like Jason Greenslate have a lot in common.

The growth of the top 1% is almost entirely due to capital gains growth through the stock market's success. But for those who are new money rather than old money, ie the small businessman, there is a definite class war against them with Barack "You didn't build that" Obama.

No matter who is president, there is class warfare of the 1% vs. the 99%. Look at jurisprudence.....

Just call it (our system) what it is; a plutocracy. Of the rich, by the rich, for the rich.

And it ain't so bad. Not nearly as bad as it could be.

by world standards Americans are 'rich'....even our poor are 'rich' by comparison.....does that make us all plutocrats....?

 

[Crystalclear]

Socialism doesn't work. Look at China. Since capitalism was introduced there, the standard of living became much higher on an average. If China would still be the old totalitarian, communistic state, it wouldn't be as rich as it is now.

 

[BlindBoo]

Obama was claiming the government built the man's business, not the roads, you fucking dumbass.

Nope, "that" was in reference to "this unbelievable American system ".

"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

Making an entire campaign slogan based on "If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that.", they had to get their people to believe that's what he said.

No it wasn't, dumbass. You even quoted the proof. "You didn't build that" refers to the first part of the sentence "If you've got a business." Your claim that it refers to an entirely separate sentence is so stupid that not even a Democrat would swallow it.

You must be illiterate if you don't understand what he was saying.

Of course it was. Only partisans can say they believe otherwise.

 

[dblack]

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If you want to help your state's economy, would you rather have your state be in the top 10 or bottom 10 for business? To me, this is an easy choice.

Nearly all of the states in the bottom 10 have Dem governors, and just about all the states in the top 10 have GOP governors and state legislatures.


Liberals keep trashing conservatives for supporting freedom, but the data is clear: freedom works.

'Works' for what? If you're talking about productivity and national efficiency, I'd say socialism can work pretty well, especially if backed up by strong nationalistic fascism.

 

[dblack]

Socialism doesn't work. Look at China. Since capitalism was introduced there, the standard of living became much higher on an average. If China would still be the old totalitarian, communistic state, it wouldn't be as rich as it is now.

China isn't doing capitalism, which requires free markets. They're doing state-sponsored corporatism, which is really just another flavor of socialism.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Socialism doesn't work. Look at China. Since capitalism was introduced there, the standard of living became much higher on an average. If China would still be the old totalitarian, communistic state, it wouldn't be as rich as it is now.

China isn't doing capitalism, which requires free markets. They're doing state-sponsored corporatism, which is really just another flavor of socialism.

the Dimwit's dream...

 

[bripat9643]

Nope, "that" was in reference to "this unbelievable American system ".

"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

Making an entire campaign slogan based on "If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that.", they had to get their people to believe that's what he said.

No it wasn't, dumbass. You even quoted the proof. "You didn't build that" refers to the first part of the sentence "If you've got a business." Your claim that it refers to an entirely separate sentence is so stupid that not even a Democrat would swallow it.

You must be illiterate if you don't understand what he was saying.

Of course it was. Only partisans can say they believe otherwise.

Anyone who speaks correct English can say otherwise.

 

[bripat9643]

10 Best States for Business 2013: Slideshow | ChiefExecutive.net | Chief Executive Magazine
10 Worst States for Business 2013: Slideshow | ChiefExecutive.net | Chief Executive Magazine


If you want to help your state's economy, would you rather have your state be in the top 10 or bottom 10 for business? To me, this is an easy choice.

Nearly all of the states in the bottom 10 have Dem governors, and just about all the states in the top 10 have GOP governors and state legislatures.


Liberals keep trashing conservatives for supporting freedom, but the data is clear: freedom works.

'Works' for what? If you're talking about productivity and national efficiency, I'd say socialism can work pretty well, especially if backed up by strong nationalistic fascism.

Examples?

 

[dblack]

10 Best States for Business 2013: Slideshow | ChiefExecutive.net | Chief Executive Magazine
10 Worst States for Business 2013: Slideshow | ChiefExecutive.net | Chief Executive Magazine


If you want to help your state's economy, would you rather have your state be in the top 10 or bottom 10 for business? To me, this is an easy choice.

Nearly all of the states in the bottom 10 have Dem governors, and just about all the states in the top 10 have GOP governors and state legislatures.


Liberals keep trashing conservatives for supporting freedom, but the data is clear: freedom works.

'Works' for what? If you're talking about productivity and national efficiency, I'd say socialism can work pretty well, especially if backed up by strong nationalistic fascism.

Examples?

China's doing pretty well about now. Nazi Germany had things cranking there for awhile. Don't get me wrong, I'd never wanna live under such a regime, but if the only concern is keeping everyone marching forward, there's no reason soclialism can't work. As long as no one gives a shit about silly luxuries like individual liberty.

 

[Erand7899]

10 Best States for Business 2013: Slideshow | ChiefExecutive.net | Chief Executive Magazine
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If you want to help your state's economy, would you rather have your state be in the top 10 or bottom 10 for business? To me, this is an easy choice.

Nearly all of the states in the bottom 10 have Dem governors, and just about all the states in the top 10 have GOP governors and state legislatures.


Liberals keep trashing conservatives for supporting freedom, but the data is clear: freedom works.

'Works' for what? If you're talking about productivity and national efficiency, I'd say socialism can work pretty well, especially if backed up by strong nationalistic fascism.

I'd say that you don't know what you are talking about. There isn't a bureaucrat in existance that has the knowledge, skill, experience, or understanding, sufficient to determine how much toilet paper is needed, and where it is needed. Yet, you think that one or more of those bozos could run the economy?

Socialism only benefits the non productive, and it does so at the expense of the productive. Fascism only benefits the government at the expense of the individual. Both isms are fit for serfs, not freemen.

 

[BlindBoo]

No it wasn't, dumbass. You even quoted the proof. "You didn't build that" refers to the first part of the sentence "If you've got a business." Your claim that it refers to an entirely separate sentence is so stupid that not even a Democrat would swallow it.

You must be illiterate if you don't understand what he was saying.

Of course it was. Only partisans can say they believe otherwise.

Anyone who speaks correct English can say otherwise.

Anyone who speaks correct English And has the attention span of a gold fish who can only retain one sentence at a time can say otherwise

There fixed it for you.

Putting Mitt Romney's attacks on 'You didn't build that' to the Truth-O-Meter | PolitiFact

In speeches and videos, the Romney campaign has repeatedly distorted Obama's words. By plucking two sentences out of context, Romney twists the president's remarks and ignores their real meaning.

The preceding sentences make clear that Obama was talking about the importance of government-provided infrastructure and education to the success of private businesses.

Romney also conveniently ignores Obama's clear summary of his message, that "the point is ... that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

By leaving out the "individual initiative" reference, Romney and his supporters have misled viewers and given a false impression. For that, we rate the claim False.

Not the first time the loony fringe have swallowed the GOP lie. Surely wont be the last.