When exactly does the Democrats' socialism kick in?

[SeaMajor7]

Hector12, I'm going through your capitalist-imperialist claptrap, point by point.

First, you claim that Lenin never worked in a factory a day in his life, which somehow disqualifies him from representing the proletariat. This is a weak ad hominem attack. Lenin's role was not to be a factory worker but to be an intellectual and revolutionary leader. His deep understanding of Marxist theory, his strategic brilliance, and his leadership skills were far more crucial to the proletarian revolution than working on an assembly line. Lenin's entire life was dedicated to studying, organizing, and leading the working class. He didn't need to work in a factory to understand the exploitation workers faced under capitalist employment (i.e. "exploiment", a word I just made up expressing the exploitation of capitalist employment); he spent years advocating for their cause and ultimately led a revolution that changed the course of history.

And let's not forget the hypocrisy in your ad hominem attack against Lenin, being that Donald Trump and his children have never worked in a factory, yet claim to champion the interests of working-class America. It's absurd to disqualify Lenin on such grounds while giving a pass to capitalist leaders who do the exact same shit.

Regarding the Kronstadt Rebellion, it's often misrepresented by critics of the Bolsheviks. The rebellion happened during an incredibly tough time for the Soviet state. They were dealing with external threats, a civil war, and economic collapse. While the sailors of Kronstadt had legitimate grievances, their rebellion threatened to destabilize the Soviet government at a critical moment. The rebellion included anarchists and anti-Bolshevik elements, which made the situation even more complicated. The Bolsheviks saw the rebellion as a counter-revolutionary threat, supported by White forces (i.e. The pro-Tsarist, capitalist armies) and the international capitalist powers that had invaded Soviet Russia, namely the US, UK, France, and ten other countries.

Suppressing it was seen as necessary to preserve the revolution. This was a difficult decision, but in any revolutionary process, tough decisions are inevitable. The priority was to protect the revolution from internal and external enemies, even if it meant making unpopular choices.

Your point about Stalin executing his military high command because the Gestapo convinced him of a plot is a mix of fact and speculation. Yes, Stalin did conduct purges of the military leadership in the late 1930s, and yes, it temporarily weakened the Soviet military. However, the idea that the Gestapo manipulated Stalin is speculative at best. The purges were part of a broader campaign to eliminate perceived enemies of the state, and while they did have damaging effects, the Soviet Union's eventual victory in World War II shows that the Red Army was able to rebuild and effectively respond to the German invasion.

Despite the initial setbacks caused by the purges, the Soviet Union adapted and successfully defended itself against the Third Reich, ultimately triumphing and playing a crucial role in the Allied victory.

As for your claim that communist oppression caused many Soviet citizens to initially welcome the Germans as liberators, you're oversimplifying a very complex situation. Yes, some Soviet citizens initially welcomed the Germans, but this was often out of desperation during the hardships of war, not because they supported Hitler.

The widespread Soviet partisan resistance against the German invaders is evidence that the majority of Soviet citizens opposed the occupiers. The Soviet Union's ability to mobilize its population in the fight against Hitler's Germany, despite the initial hardships, reflects the deep-rooted commitment to defending its homeland and the socialist state. Western narratives often exaggerate the extent of collaboration in the Soviet Union to discredit communism, but the reality is that Soviet citizens played a crucial role in the defeat of Germany. The war was essentially one between National Socialists because in many ways Stalin was a type of Socialist Nationalist, similar to Hitler, minus the racism. Stalin was a "NazBol".

Lastly, you claim that the Soviet Union was invited to join the Marshall Plan but refused. This is another oversimplification being that the requirements were for the USSR to essentially open itself to American companies and markets. Nice try, but no, we'll remain socialists.

Despite the challenges, the Soviet Union successfully rebuilt its economy after World War II without Marshall Plan aid. By 1970, it had become the second-largest economy in the world, demonstrating its capacity for self-sufficiency and the effectiveness of its socialist economic policies.

So, while you're quick to throw out these criticisms, it's clear that your understanding of Soviet history is shaped by a narrative that oversimplifies and distorts the complexities of that period. The Soviet Union, despite its flaws, achieved significant successes, especially in rebuilding after World War II, advancing in science and technology, and defending itself against its mortal enemies. Reducing these complex historical events to simplistic criticisms only serves to ignore the broader context and the achievements of the Soviet state. Nice try, but you failed again. Go read a book.

Swim to CUBA for your communist paradise, idiot.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Swim to CUBA for your communist paradise, idiot.

Lift the sanctions, and I'll go there on vacation and come back to my country. America is going to be socialist soon, and you can't do anything about that. If anyone should leave, it's you.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

On to page to without a demonstrative example of the democrats march towards socialism. I am starting to think the right wingers just use buzzwords that sound scary which they dont understand. One of my favorite debates with a close but low information buddy:

Him: I am not voting for those Marxists.
Me: Do you even know what a Marxist is?
Him: No. But it doesn't sound good!

Socialism is just for corporations.

 

[john doe 101]

Swim to CUBA for your communist paradise, idiot.

any time you want to meet up bitch let me know. If i have to i'll bring the brothers to let you and your people know what time it is, bitch, that is just more pain and suffering you'll have to endure. Have a nice life, bitch.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Lift the sanctions, and I'll go there on vacation and come back to my country. America is going to be socialist soon, and you can't do anything about that. If anyone should leave, it's you.

One thing you wide-eyed neo-Marxists always forget is that every Marxist Leninist revolution that happened in the 20th century REQUIRED MASS-MURDER to come to be.
Get busy, Trotsky, but watch out for the because there's going to be some other idiot that thinks he's more Marxist than you....

 

[SeaMajor7]

any time you want to meet up bitch let me know. If i have to i'll bring the brothers to let you and your people know what time it is, bitch, that is just more pain and suffering you'll have to endure. Have a nice life, bitch.

Poor john duh, internet tough guy.

 

[john doe 101]

One thing you wide-eyed neo-Marxists always forget is that every Marxist Leninist revolution that happened in the 20th century REQUIRED MASS-MURDER to come to be.
Get busy, Trotsky, but watch out for the because there's going to be some other idiot that thinks he's more Marxist than you....

of course you're too much of a pussy to come at me direct. Any time you want to meet up pussy. I'm right here.

 

[john doe 101]

Poor john duh, internet tough guy.

any time, any place.

 

[j-mac]

So you want to get rid of public roads as they are inefficient...

Just to refute your next comment:

A Public Road paid for by tax payers is "Government monopolization of an essential service'

Thanks for telling your views and it explains why ye voted against the infrastructure act..

Inside the MAGA head right now the computer chip is going
Public Road = Socialism,
Socialism = BAD,
Public Road = BAD
This doesn't compute

Um no….public roads are in the constitution. Try again.

 

[john doe 101]

Poor john duh, internet tough guy.

I can find out where you live and where you work very quickly, bitch.

 

[SeaMajor7]

I can find out where you live and where you work very quickly, bitch.

Your internet tough guy threats have been reported.

 

[john doe 101]

Your internet tough guy threats have been reported.

uh oh you scared now?

 

[john doe 101]

Your internet tough guy threats have been reported.

oh no actual consequences for your lies. how dare I do that. fuck you and your kind. your time is up fucker.

 

[SeaMajor7]

See? The Marxist Leninist zombie ASSHOLES need violence to get their way, because their ideas are completely STUPID and normal freedom loving people don't want anything to do with them.

 

[TruthNotBS]

One thing you wide-eyed neo-Marxists always forget is that every Marxist Leninist revolution that happened in the 20th century REQUIRED MASS-MURDER to come to be.
Get busy, Trotsky, but watch out for the because there's going to be some other idiot that thinks he's more Marxist than you....

It didn't require mass-murder, or any murder, you're confused. Capitalist imperialism is much worse.

 

[john doe 101]

See? The Marxist Leninist zombie ASSHOLES need violence to get their way, because their ideas are completely STUPID and normal freedom loving people don't want anything to do with them.

you are going to learn the hard way actions have consequences.

 

[SeaMajor7]

It didn't require mass-murder, or any murder, you're confused. Capitalist imperialism is much worse.

Know you history, dummy.

 

[SeaMajor7]

oh no actual consequences for your lies. how dare I do that. fuck you and your kind. your time is up fucker.

Fuck of and DIE, john duh.

 

[SeaMajor7]

I can find out where you live and where you work very quickly, bitch.

Why is it permitted on this board to threaten posters with violence?????

 

[TruthNotBS]

Know you history, dummy.