Gallup: Government Too Powerful

[auditor0007]

Simple fact, as people increase there numbers, and we live in a more densley populated nation, there has to be more rules. That means more government. A crude demonstration, if 40 people live on the banks of a 400 mile long river, and they urinate in the river, who cares? But if 4 million people live along that river, and do that, you now have a 400 mile long sewer.

Yes, in many ways we have less freedom now than when I was a child in the '40's and '50's. But, by definition, your freedom only extends to where the next persons toes begin. And when the distance between those toes continue to decrease, so will freedom.

Then apply those rules locally in the cities and areas where they are needed.

Dont go and apply them federally to everyone, when everyone doesnt need them.

And keep away from my 32 oz diet big gulp, dammit.

No way. Rocksie like a blanket solution for everyone. Things like me paying taxes for school systems i dont use, etc...thats the type of stuff LOLberals are made of.

When given the choice of siding with those who support or oppose public funding for education, I definitely prefer siding with those who support it. Those who do not are truly un-American in my book. A long time ago we as a society decided that public taxation to pay for schools to educate our kids was a good thing. Some of you loons still believe it's a terrible idea. A lot of your ideas are not mainstream. They're not even out in left field. They're in some corn field in someone's fantasy.

 

[JoeB131]

So that was the best you had, that the party that can't decide if it's an "Gift from God" rape or a "Legitimate" rape wants to stop rape victims from getting abortions, and you wonder why the ladies are a tad upset about that?

There are dingbats in both parties, and they do not represent anyone but themselves. Your attempts to tar millions of people with the dumbass statements of two or three people indicates that your logic circuits are either defective or not in use.

When some of you liberal/socialists learn that we have various levels of government, and that we expect different outcomes from those levels, then you might have a valid argument about the size of government. When conservatives speak of government being too big and too intrusive, they are normally speaking of the federal government.

Since liberal/socialists cannot make an argument against a smaller federal government, they desire to lump all government together and argue the merits of state and local governments.

The "Two or three" people were ones who won primaries. Which means a majority of Republicans in those states decided to put them on the ballot come November.

Murdoch "Gift from God Rape" beat out a guy who had been fighting the good conservative fight since the 1980's. But he just wasn't crazy enough for you people, so out he had to go.

Akin - "Legitimate Rape" beat out two other prominant Republicans, including one endorsed by the Tea Party.

The problem isn't that you guys are making an argument for smaller government. That argument ended the day the economy collapsed in 2008 and the Government had to step in because these companies were "Too big to Fail".

The problem is that you guys nominate absolute nuts like Akin and Murdoch and McDonnal "I'm not a wtich" and Palin "I can see Russia from my house" and Romney "I like to be able to fire people".

Let me know when the grownups are back in charge of your party, I might even consider voting for them again.

 

[daveman]

You mean after she kept 12 of them in the house, took him to a shooting range to show him how to use them, let him play first person shooter games for hours on end...

Yeah, his mom was totally the victim here.

Oh, wait, no, she isn't. People aren't even counting her as a victim.

The victims are the children and teachers he killed.

She falls under "Accomplice".

Again...you excuse the criminal.

Why do you love criminals? Do you have a boyfriend in prison?

No, I just don't think that having 2 million prisoners and 8 million on probation or parole is particularly good for anyone but the companies getting rich on prisons.

Say, here's a thought: People should stop breaking the law.

That never occurred to you, did it?

Moron.

Adam Lanza needed to be hospitalized.

Instead, he was allowed access to guns, trained on a range and desensitized with video-games.

In other words...it's not his fault.

That's EXACTLY what you're saying. You keep defending a mass murderer.

But then, progressives don't mind lakes of blood if it serves their agenda.

 

[JoeB131]

Again...you excuse the criminal.

Why do you love criminals? Do you have a boyfriend in prison?

No, I just don't think that having 2 million prisoners and 8 million on probation or parole is particularly good for anyone but the companies getting rich on prisons.

Say, here's a thought: People should stop breaking the law.

That never occurred to you, did it?

Moron.

We should have laws that are actually kind of sensible. Throwing someone in prison because he swiped a slice of Pizza is just plain stupid.

Throwing someone in prison because he was black and smoked a little weed is a terrible idea.

Please explain why the Germans only need to lock up 78,000, the Japanese only lock up 69,000, and we have to lock up 2 million.

Got an answer for that one?

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Adam Lanza needed to be hospitalized.

Instead, he was allowed access to guns, trained on a range and desensitized with video-games.

In other words...it's not his fault.

That's EXACTLY what you're saying. You keep defending a mass murderer.

But then, progressives don't mind lakes of blood if it serves their agenda.

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Nor do conservatives if they can make a profit.

Let's be really clear what happened here. The Gun Industry decided that Nancy Lanza was their prime market. This woman was a "prepper". She was stockpiling guns for some kind of emergency.

Had her kid been in public schools instead of home schooled, had he gotten the medical attention he needed, had he not been taken to gun ranges so he and mommy could practice for the Zombie Apocolypse, he'd have probably gotten the help he needed.

Instead, he was a bomb that waited to go off. Unfortunately, he did, and you gun whacks have been working overtime.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Hey Joe,

Not to jump into your conversation, but I agree with you to a point. Corporations in America used to have three primary goals.

1. Make a Profit

2. Take care of employees (pay a living wage, decent benefits, consider them "family")

3. Be a positive member of the Community.


Joe, all of that started to go in the 1980's. Now they are fucking ruthless. The idea is to squeeze every penny out of the enterprise and funnel as much of that money to the top corporate directors and board members as they can...as quickly as they can. Maximizing shareholder value is given lip service...but the primary goal is to enrich the top corporate officers. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

On the other hand, I hate the fucking Government, and see it as even more corrupt. I can choose to avoid doing business with a corporation. I do not buy Apple shit because they are scumbags. But the Government crawls up my asshole on almost everything, and I have to deal with them. So I guess you could say I am conflicted. But I do believe you have a valid point regarding the current state of Corporate America.

I think Government is a reflection of us. We want it to do all these things. We don't want to pay for it, and we don't want that OTHER guy getting his stuff.

The reality is the vast majority of us get more out of government than we pay in, if we had to acquire all those services from a private entity. Think Cigna is going to insure your health after you're 65?

The country would not be here if not for respect for elders.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey Joe,

Not to jump into your conversation, but I agree with you to a point. Corporations in America used to have three primary goals.

1. Make a Profit

2. Take care of employees (pay a living wage, decent benefits, consider them "family")

3. Be a positive member of the Community.


Joe, all of that started to go in the 1980's. Now they are fucking ruthless. The idea is to squeeze every penny out of the enterprise and funnel as much of that money to the top corporate directors and board members as they can...as quickly as they can. Maximizing shareholder value is given lip service...but the primary goal is to enrich the top corporate officers. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

On the other hand, I hate the fucking Government, and see it as even more corrupt. I can choose to avoid doing business with a corporation. I do not buy Apple shit because they are scumbags. But the Government crawls up my asshole on almost everything, and I have to deal with them. So I guess you could say I am conflicted. But I do believe you have a valid point regarding the current state of Corporate America.

I think Government is a reflection of us. We want it to do all these things. We don't want to pay for it, and we don't want that OTHER guy getting his stuff.

The reality is the vast majority of us get more out of government than we pay in, if we had to acquire all those services from a private entity. Think Cigna is going to insure your health after you're 65?

The country would not be here if not for respect for elders.

Can you ever comprehend a point and make a comment that makes a lick of sense.

Okay, let's try again.

What possible incentive does Cigna have to sell a health insurance policy to a person over 65 with a chronic medical condition?

 

[editec]

There is a over abundance of governmentS invading our lives and pocketbooks that is true.

Meanwhile there is a darth of government laws protecting us from individuals and corporations screwing us over.

Quite the contrary to what we all believe government are intended for, mostly our governmentS are now pandering to their MASTERS at the expense of the body politic.

 

[dblack]

There is a over abundance of governmentS invading our lives and pocketbooks that is true.

Meanwhile there is a darth of government laws protecting us from individuals and corporations screwing us over.

Quite the contrary to what we all believe government are intended for, mostly our governmentS are now pandering to their MASTERS at the expense of the body politic.

That's what happens when we create government that caters to "interests" rather than protecting rights.

 

[editec]

There is a over abundance of governmentS invading our lives and pocketbooks that is true.

Meanwhile there is a darth of government laws protecting us from individuals and corporations screwing us over.

Quite the contrary to what we all believe government are intended for, mostly our governmentS are now pandering to their MASTERS at the expense of the body politic.

That's what happens when we create government that caters to "interests" rather than protecting rights.

Absolutely right, DK.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

I think Government is a reflection of us. We want it to do all these things. We don't want to pay for it, and we don't want that OTHER guy getting his stuff.

The reality is the vast majority of us get more out of government than we pay in, if we had to acquire all those services from a private entity. Think Cigna is going to insure your health after you're 65?

The country would not be here if not for respect for elders.

Can you ever comprehend a point and make a comment that makes a lick of sense.

Okay, let's try again.

What possible incentive does Cigna have to sell a health insurance policy to a person over 65 with a chronic medical condition?

Do you think you're running the show, idiot?



Also, you're off topic. The primary purpose of this thread is about our runaway government. Do you have Alzheimer's or something?

 

[daveman]

We should have laws that are actually kind of sensible. Throwing someone in prison because he swiped a slice of Pizza is just plain stupid.

Throwing someone in prison because he was black and smoked a little weed is a terrible idea.

Please explain why the Germans only need to lock up 78,000, the Japanese only lock up 69,000, and we have to lock up 2 million.

Got an answer for that one?

Those countries don't have American liberals telling people there's no way they can succeed, that they need the help of government merely to survive, and government programs that promote the dissolution of the nuclear family in the black community.

Democrats are responsible for the societal conditions that lead to a high black incarceration rate.

Nor do conservatives if they can make a profit.

Let's be really clear what happened here. The Gun Industry decided that Nancy Lanza was their prime market. This woman was a "prepper". She was stockpiling guns for some kind of emergency.

Had her kid been in public schools instead of home schooled, had he gotten the medical attention he needed, had he not been taken to gun ranges so he and mommy could practice for the Zombie Apocolypse, he'd have probably gotten the help he needed.

Instead, he was a bomb that waited to go off. Unfortunately, he did, and you gun whacks have been working overtime.

Your voice certainly does carry, standing on the bodies of those slain children.

 

[JoeB131]

We should have laws that are actually kind of sensible. Throwing someone in prison because he swiped a slice of Pizza is just plain stupid.

Throwing someone in prison because he was black and smoked a little weed is a terrible idea.

Please explain why the Germans only need to lock up 78,000, the Japanese only lock up 69,000, and we have to lock up 2 million.

Got an answer for that one?

Those countries don't have American liberals telling people there's no way they can succeed, that they need the help of government merely to survive, and government programs that promote the dissolution of the nuclear family in the black community.

Democrats are responsible for the societal conditions that lead to a high black incarceration rate.

YOu mean 300 years of slavery followed by 100 years of Jim Crow? Liberals did that?

Okay, get real. The Japanese and the Germans (and the other Euro-states) have more extensive social welfare states than we do. They have universal health care. They have welfare without shame.

Also, when did the government tell anyone they couldn't succeed, exactly? Did I miss a memo? Or is that what Rush Limbaugh told you they said?

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Nor do conservatives if they can make a profit.

Let's be really clear what happened here. The Gun Industry decided that Nancy Lanza was their prime market. This woman was a "prepper". She was stockpiling guns for some kind of emergency.

Had her kid been in public schools instead of home schooled, had he gotten the medical attention he needed, had he not been taken to gun ranges so he and mommy could practice for the Zombie Apocolypse, he'd have probably gotten the help he needed.

Instead, he was a bomb that waited to go off. Unfortunately, he did, and you gun whacks have been working overtime.

Your voice certainly does carry, standing on the bodies of those slain children.

Duly noted you couldn't answer the points.

In a world run the way I wanted, there be no Home Skule, no gun ownership, no hiding a damaged kid from people who could have helped him.

 

[daveman]

We should have laws that are actually kind of sensible. Throwing someone in prison because he swiped a slice of Pizza is just plain stupid.

Throwing someone in prison because he was black and smoked a little weed is a terrible idea.

Please explain why the Germans only need to lock up 78,000, the Japanese only lock up 69,000, and we have to lock up 2 million.

Got an answer for that one?

Those countries don't have American liberals telling people there's no way they can succeed, that they need the help of government merely to survive, and government programs that promote the dissolution of the nuclear family in the black community.

Democrats are responsible for the societal conditions that lead to a high black incarceration rate.

YOu mean 300 years of slavery followed by 100 years of Jim Crow? Liberals did that?

Liberals exploited it to get votes.

You don't REALLY think liberals give a damn about minorities, do you?

Okay, get real. The Japanese and the Germans (and the other Euro-states) have more extensive social welfare states than we do. They have universal health care. They have welfare without shame.

They also have far more racial homogeneity than we do.

The US is more diverse...and with a much larger population.

What you think succeeds there will not necessarily succeed here.

Also, when did the government tell anyone they couldn't succeed, exactly? Did I miss a memo? Or is that what Rush Limbaugh told you they said?

You missed a great deal. Welfare rewards black mothers for being single and having more kids. Plus, Affirmative Action tells blacks they can't succeed without the help of white liberals.

Nor do conservatives if they can make a profit.

Let's be really clear what happened here. The Gun Industry decided that Nancy Lanza was their prime market. This woman was a "prepper". She was stockpiling guns for some kind of emergency.

Had her kid been in public schools instead of home schooled, had he gotten the medical attention he needed, had he not been taken to gun ranges so he and mommy could practice for the Zombie Apocolypse, he'd have probably gotten the help he needed.

Instead, he was a bomb that waited to go off. Unfortunately, he did, and you gun whacks have been working overtime.

Your voice certainly does carry, standing on the bodies of those slain children.

Duly noted you couldn't answer the points.

We've already discussed that. You blame Lanza's mother, not Lanza himself.

You NEVER blame the criminal.

In a world run the way I wanted, there be no Home Skule, no gun ownership, no hiding a damaged kid from people who could have helped him.

Yes, we know you want the State indoctrinating children from an early age so they're unable to think for themselves.

The problem with that is you wind up with an entire population of...you.

And that's doomed to failure.

 

[Vox]

As I mentioned, we're clearly moving toward a stronger centralized bureaucracy, as we slowly add the goodies, piece by piece. So I definitely can't argue there. But also as I mentioned, it's nice to see that we're not (yet) at a full sprint.

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I'll take it more seriously when people actually start refusing government benefits.

But shit. Even Ayn Rand took Medicare and Social Security after she got the Lung Cancer (because she thought government warnings about tobacco were a government plot to control her life.)

I'll take actions over touchy feely polls.

We pay into SS. Thats each individuals money that the govt confiscates for thirty forty years and then allows a pittance back.

exactly. they want to rob you all those years and then demand - oh, you can refuse. No, I won't refuse - IT IS MY MONEY they have and I am entitled to get them back.

Our leftard hypocrites - they were happy to confiscate the money from Ayn Rand but demand to refuse the care - typical. She payed for her care.

 

[JoeB131]

Those countries don't have American liberals telling people there's no way they can succeed, that they need the help of government merely to survive, and government programs that promote the dissolution of the nuclear family in the black community.

Democrats are responsible for the societal conditions that lead to a high black incarceration rate.

YOu mean 300 years of slavery followed by 100 years of Jim Crow? Liberals did that?

Liberals exploited it to get votes.

You don't REALLY think liberals give a damn about minorities, do you?

The question is, why do Minorities think that liberals give a damn about them.

Hmmm...

So either they are all kind of dumb, or they can look at things where Liberals had their backs. I'm going with the latter.

They also have far more racial homogeneity than we do.

The US is more diverse...and with a much larger population.

What you think succeeds there will not necessarily succeed here.

Well, it won't work if we never try it. But thanks for being RACIST and not answering the point.



Oh, BTW, the United Kingdom actually is pretty ethnically diverse. Works just fine there.

You missed a great deal. Welfare rewards black mothers for being single and having more kids.

If you think that is really a factor, that any woman would get pregnant for a welfare check, then you are every bit as racist as I've said.

Plus, Affirmative Action tells blacks they can't succeed without the help of white liberals.

No, it tells them most employers are white males who aren't going to give them a fair shake unless required to.

And unfortunately, research bears that out. They did a test, where resumes had the same qualifications, and half of them had names like "John" and the other half had names like "Jamal". Guess which ones got 50% more callbacks for interviews.

Duly noted you couldn't answer the points.

We've already discussed that. You blame Lanza's mother, not Lanza himself.

You NEVER blame the criminal.

Lanza's mother should have known better. I'm not even sure that Lanza could be held legally responsible, it appears his Aspbergers Autism was that severe.

Yes, we know you want the State indoctrinating children from an early age so they're unable to think for themselves.

The problem with that is you wind up with an entire population of...you.

And that's doomed to failure.

Uh, Guy, I was brought up in Catholic schools and I was pretty right wing until about six years ago. (When my ex-boss showed me what was what.)

Fact is, IF Adam Lanza had been in the system, he'd have gotten special education, instead of being an angry retard with a gun.

 

[Unkotare]

You missed the whole Katrina thing when all those Red State types were all bitching that FEMA didn't respond fast enough. !

You lying sack of crap. It was ridiculous, idiotic, far-left loons like you who jumped to blame President Bush for a natural disaster while local democrat government left their own friends and neighbors to perish.

 

[Vox]

We should have laws that are actually kind of sensible. Throwing someone in prison because he swiped a slice of Pizza is just plain stupid.

Throwing someone in prison because he was black and smoked a little weed is a terrible idea.

Please explain why the Germans only need to lock up 78,000, the Japanese only lock up 69,000, and we have to lock up 2 million.

Got an answer for that one?

Those countries don't have American liberals telling people there's no way they can succeed, that they need the help of government merely to survive, and government programs that promote the dissolution of the nuclear family in the black community.

Democrats are responsible for the societal conditions that lead to a high black incarceration rate.

YOu mean 300 years of slavery followed by 100 years of Jim Crow? Liberals did that?

Okay, get real. The Japanese and the Germans (and the other Euro-states) have more extensive social welfare states than we do. They have universal health care. They have welfare without shame.

No, they DO NOT. That is US who have it without shame.
They police their welfare takers so abuse is not as rampant as here. You, and other leftards would scream like slaughtered pigs if even a resemblance of control and check system of the welfare recipients which is in Europe ( Germany and Sweden especially, but others as well) would even be proposed here.
You scream like slaughtered pigs if the drug testing of the welfare recipients is ever proposed - which is a MUST in Europe.
So don't even start with "more welfare" in Europe.
They have LESS welfare and it is very well monitored.
Do they have abuse. Sure, they do. Whenever you have a government program, you WILL HAVE abuse. But it is not even close to the abuse we have in the US

 

[Antares]

YOu mean 300 years of slavery followed by 100 years of Jim Crow? Liberals did that?

Liberals exploited it to get votes.

You don't REALLY think liberals give a damn about minorities, do you?

The question is, why do Minorities think that liberals give a damn about them.

Hmmm...

So either they are all kind of dumb, or they can look at things where Liberals had their backs. I'm going with the latter.





Well, it won't work if we never try it. But thanks for being RACIST and not answering the point.



Oh, BTW, the United Kingdom actually is pretty ethnically diverse. Works just fine there.



If you think that is really a factor, that any woman would get pregnant for a welfare check, then you are every bit as racist as I've said.



No, it tells them most employers are white males who aren't going to give them a fair shake unless required to.

And unfortunately, research bears that out. They did a test, where resumes had the same qualifications, and half of them had names like "John" and the other half had names like "Jamal". Guess which ones got 50% more callbacks for interviews.

Lanza's mother should have known better. I'm not even sure that Lanza could be held legally responsible, it appears his Aspbergers Autism was that severe.

Yes, we know you want the State indoctrinating children from an early age so they're unable to think for themselves.

The problem with that is you wind up with an entire population of...you.

And that's doomed to failure.

Uh, Guy, I was brought up in Catholic schools and I was pretty right wing until about six years ago. (When my ex-boss showed me what was what.)

Fact is, IF Adam Lanza had been in the system, he'd have gotten special education, instead of being an angry retard with a gun.

Poor little effeminate Joe.....it's cute how you hide behind the skirts of anyone who had the balls to do what you won't.

Don't send people Joe....dispatch of those you hate yourself.

 

[JoeB131]

You missed the whole Katrina thing when all those Red State types were all bitching that FEMA didn't respond fast enough. !

You lying sack of crap. It was ridiculous, idiotic, far-left loons like you who jumped to blame President Bush for a natural disaster while local democrat government left their own friends and neighbors to perish.

Okay, but LA voted for BUsh twice, that still makes it a red state. And they whined a lot when they didn't get the help they needed.

Bush fucked up Katrina. Sorry, he just did. So did Nagin and Landrieu, but as Harry Truman said, "the Buck Stops Here".

 

[JoeB131]

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Fact is, IF Adam Lanza had been in the system, he'd have gotten special education, instead of being an angry retard with a gun.

Poor little effeminate Joe.....it's cute how you hide behind the skirts of anyone who had the balls to do what you won't.

Don't send people Joe....dispatch of those you hate yourself.

I think you are a little confused here, guy.

YOu wingnuts are the ones who fantasize about all the folks you want to shoot.