Game Over For Obama

[JakeStarkey]

There is no possibility that insurance companies should be made to insure those with pre existing conditions. If it were home insurance people wouldn't get a policy until the house was on fire. If it was car insurance, it would be the first call after an accident.

Those with serious pre existing conditions can be handled separately out of a created fund for the purpose.

many pre-existing conditions are not expensive to treat. the insurance companies might have to give a % or two of profit to make it happen, not really a big deal.

what we don't need is another govt program.

Now too late for that.

 

[Redfish]

For someone who allegedly has an MBA you know absolutely nothing about how the government finances and legal obligations work. You also alleged that there were "liberal professors" at HBS. The business school is about economics and how to run a corporation. Every one of your posts makes it more and more clear that the closest you ever got to HBS was on the internet.

I would post a copy of my diploma, but then you would know who I am.

HBS is about how to run a business, but its also true that most of the prof lean to the left and their "business" ideas tend to be liberal--and many times don't work.

But thats OK, we just accept them for who they are and learn what we can. Actually my company sent me there for my MBA after I had proven that I could make a lot of money for them, after HBS that continued until I had given them back the years that I promised. Then I went independent and made money for myself.

America is a wonderful country, anyone can succeed if he/she is willing to work hard and has a good mind.

what really bothers me is that those on the left seem to want to take that away and turn everything over to a small bunch of super elites in DC.

hey redfish, when you gonna realize that no matter how big a hammer you get, your not gonna change the dumbocrat anvil. he's spouting off about obligations after record setting tax revenues the past two years and oduma still wants to increase spending along with all the dumbocrats and their socialist programs. you and I know they don't/won't work, and you need to learn this about dumbocrats, you can't fix stupid.

I know that, but its fun to point out their stupidity

 

[Redfish]

There is no possibility that insurance companies should be made to insure those with pre existing conditions. If it were home insurance people wouldn't get a policy until the house was on fire. If it was car insurance, it would be the first call after an accident.

Those with serious pre existing conditions can be handled separately out of a created fund for the purpose.

many pre-existing conditions are not expensive to treat. the insurance companies might have to give a % or two of profit to make it happen, not really a big deal.

what we don't need is another govt program.

Now too late for that.

Its never too late to do the right thing. ACA is falling apart, it needs to be scraped. There are too many things wrong with it to fix it.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Certainly this is Obama's lowest point to date. The question becomes is this a trend or an anomaly?

Obviously the RW echo chamber would prefer this to be a trend and they have history on their side when it comes to 2nd terms. The impending attempt to impeach AG Holder looks like a partisan political stunt to try and re-use the same impeachment strategy that worked for 2000. The recent attempt to crash the economy was as if they were hoping to turn 2014 into a repeat of 2010 with the jobless voters in the midst of another recession venting their anger on the party in power.

So yes, tying the current ACA troubles to Katrina and labeling it as a "disaster" fits the pattern of not letting any "crisis go to waste" without taking the most partisan political advantage out of it.

The potus is definitely on the ropes but to count him out may be a little premature. There are no vivid pictures of people stranded on rooftops without food and water for days on end. The public has a limited appetite for manufactured scandals in DC. If the website is up and running and there are 500k people enrolled next month it will start to fade in my opinion.

Funny thing about comparing this obamacare disaster to Katrina; Katrina was completely out of our hands, unavoidable. Obamacare and the intended takeover of the Health care industry is self-inflicted and completely, utterly avoidable in every way.

 

[NYcarbineer]

the easy answer would be to repeal it and then pass a one page law that said the following:

1. insurance companies cannot deny coverage to anyone with a pre-existing condition
2. no insurance policy shall have a lifetime maximum payment
3. insurance companies may compete across state lines
4. no malpractice award may exceed $500,000
5. the loser in a malpractice suit pays all court and legal costs
6. the govt will buy a medical policy for every citizen whose AGI is less than $xxxx (pick a number)
7. drug patents shall be limited to 3 years

problem solved, cost to the taxpayer---------ZERO.

The taxpayer won't pay for #6? lolol

1. The insurance companies will skirt that easily by setting the cost of a policy for someone with a pre-existing condition at an astronomical level proportionate to the condition. Making a policy available will be meaningless because it will be unaffordable.

2. This will not allow people to keep that insurance they like, which you people are throwing fits over.

I corrected that on #6. there would be a cost but it would be tiny compared to what ACA is going to cost us.

on 1 and 2, the legislation could specify that the increase to the premium for pre-existing conditions could not be more than X% of the premium for a healthy person. Lifetime maximums are not a big deal except for a very few people, so I don't see that as a problem.

You're basically just citing provisions that are already in Obamacare.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So why didn't Romney make a big issue out of some people not getting to keep their healthcare plans?

 

[JakeStarkey]

many pre-existing conditions are not expensive to treat. the insurance companies might have to give a % or two of profit to make it happen, not really a big deal.

what we don't need is another govt program.

Now too late for that.

Its never too late to do the right thing. ACA is falling apart, it needs to be scraped. There are too many things wrong with it to fix it.

The GOP and Dems, actually, now are beginning to reform and make it better.

It won't be scrapped, but the influence of the far right wing is being dumped finally.

 

[Trajan]

so jake, lets see is Landrieu and her bill and uts sppters the mainstream or extremist? are the dems who voted yes on the Upton bill mainstream or extremists?

The reform and massage of ACA is moderate, mainstream attempts to make it work.

Extreme would be to kill it or make the program a national health care socialized system.

Answer is obvious.

Can you answer the question please?

hello jake....

 

[LTCArmyRet]

then you learned nothing when Romrom ran

WTF does Romney not getting elected have to do with this huge abomination called ACA?

Since you need it spelled out to you the Republicans made the 2012 election about the ACA and they lost. They have failed to repeal the ACA 40+ times. They have failed to get the ACA overturned by the Supreme Court. They have failed to shutdown the government in an attempt to defund the ACA.

The ACA is still around and the GOP is splitting apart. At some point you are going to have to stop and realize that your obsession with the ACA is doing your own party far more harm than good.

39 dem house members vote for Republican bill to delay individual mandate, 18 democrat senators going against Reid on obamacare fix, ACA website $360 million failure.

All facts, forecast is Republicans gain control of senate and house in 2014. Possibly enough to overturn ACA and withstand veto.

Insurance industry largest monetary industry in U.S., Insurance industry will ensure ACA never fully implemented. Too much to lose.

All your points discredited. Just for your education, Romney lost because he was dumb enough to state a fact that 47% of Americans don't pay federal taxes. It's an ugly truth, but it's the elephant in the room no politician can directly address and expect to get elected in the United Welfare States of America.

 

[clevergirl]

Note that 3 states that have already rejected the fix are liberal states.

(CBS News) The confusion over the Affordable Care Act only seems to deepen for many Americans trying to figure out what exactly is going to happen to their health insurance.

President Obama is now calling for a one-year extension of policies that insurance companies have already canceled, but the companies and state regulators are saying it's not that simple.

It's the customers who are caught in the middle.

In the next week, millions of people who received cancellation notices of their health care insurance may be getting another letter in the mail, this time a way to extend coverage that was canceled.

"It's a logistical nightmare that if done is likely to lead to serious customer service problems," said Robert Laszewski, a prominent insurance industry consultant with Health Policy and Strategy Associates.

Mr. Obama is pressing insurance companies to re-issue canceled plans, but whether that happens also depends on states' insurance commissioners.

And while a majority tells CBS News they continue to research the president's fix, at least three states - Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington - have already rejected it.

Meanwhile, the enrollment clock is ticking, and insurers are staring down Dec. 15. It is a key date on the calendar for anyone wishing to have coverage at the start of the new year.

Some insurance companies may send follow-up letters similar to one obtained by CBS News.

It was addressed to a canceled policyholder in late September and included an option to re-enroll for coverage with their original insurance company through Nov. 30, 2014, perhaps a temporary solution for people who remain confused about their coverage, how much their premiums will cost and whether they can keep their doctor.

Obamacare fix "a logistical nightmare," insurance industry consultant says - CBS News

 

[Derideo_Te]

WTF does Romney not getting elected have to do with this huge abomination called ACA?

Since you need it spelled out to you the Republicans made the 2012 election about the ACA and they lost. They have failed to repeal the ACA 40+ times. They have failed to get the ACA overturned by the Supreme Court. They have failed to shutdown the government in an attempt to defund the ACA.

The ACA is still around and the GOP is splitting apart. At some point you are going to have to stop and realize that your obsession with the ACA is doing your own party far more harm than good.

39 dem house members vote for Republican bill to delay individual mandate, 18 democrat senators going against Reid on obamacare fix, ACA website $360 million failure.

All facts, forecast is Republicans gain control of senate and house in 2014. Possibly enough to overturn ACA and withstand veto.

Insurance industry largest monetary industry in U.S., Insurance industry will ensure ACA never fully implemented. Too much to lose.

All your points discredited. Just for your education, Romney lost because he was dumb enough to state a fact that 47% of Americans don't pay federal taxes. It's an ugly truth, but it's the elephant in the room no politician can directly address and expect to get elected in the United Welfare States of America.

Since you never addressed any of my points you have obviously failed to discredit them. Feel free to try again.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Since you need it spelled out to you the Republicans made the 2012 election about the ACA and they lost. They have failed to repeal the ACA 40+ times. They have failed to get the ACA overturned by the Supreme Court. They have failed to shutdown the government in an attempt to defund the ACA.

The ACA is still around and the GOP is splitting apart. At some point you are going to have to stop and realize that your obsession with the ACA is doing your own party far more harm than good.

39 dem house members vote for Republican bill to delay individual mandate, 18 democrat senators going against Reid on obamacare fix, ACA website $360 million failure.

All facts, forecast is Republicans gain control of senate and house in 2014. Possibly enough to overturn ACA and withstand veto.

Insurance industry largest monetary industry in U.S., Insurance industry will ensure ACA never fully implemented. Too much to lose.

All your points discredited. Just for your education, Romney lost because he was dumb enough to state a fact that 47% of Americans don't pay federal taxes. It's an ugly truth, but it's the elephant in the room no politician can directly address and expect to get elected in the United Welfare States of America.

Since you never addressed any of my points you have obviously failed to discredit them. Feel free to try again.

Obvious only to you, I'll fight to the end to defend your right to be ignorant.

 

[bodecea]

A couple of decades from now, GOPrs will be holding up signs saying "Keep your Government out of my ACA".

 

[Derideo_Te]

39 dem house members vote for Republican bill to delay individual mandate, 18 democrat senators going against Reid on obamacare fix, ACA website $360 million failure.

All facts, forecast is Republicans gain control of senate and house in 2014. Possibly enough to overturn ACA and withstand veto.

Insurance industry largest monetary industry in U.S., Insurance industry will ensure ACA never fully implemented. Too much to lose.

All your points discredited. Just for your education, Romney lost because he was dumb enough to state a fact that 47% of Americans don't pay federal taxes. It's an ugly truth, but it's the elephant in the room no politician can directly address and expect to get elected in the United Welfare States of America.

Since you never addressed any of my points you have obviously failed to discredit them. Feel free to try again.

Obvious only to you, I'll fight to the end to defend your right to be ignorant.

Let's recap. I posted the following indisputable facts;

Since you need it spelled out to you the Republicans made the 2012 election about the ACA and they lost. They have failed to repeal the ACA 40+ times. They have failed to get the ACA overturned by the Supreme Court. They have failed to shutdown the government in an attempt to defund the ACA.

You never addressed any of them.

I then made the following statements;

The ACA is still around and the GOP is splitting apart. At some point you are going to have to stop and realize that your obsession with the ACA is doing your own party far more harm than good.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact that the ACA is still the law of the land.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact that the GOP is splitting apart.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact your party needs to relinquish it's obsession with the ACA.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact this obsession is doing your party more harm than good.

Since you have failed to address these points twice in a row you have tacitly conceded that they are both valid and accurate. Have a nice day.

 

[Flopper]

Doesn't look good when even the Washington Post says it may be game over for Obama.

Does the health-care fumble mean game over for Obama?


Four times he mentioned fumbling — both the HealthCare.gov Web site and his promise that people could keep their health plans if they liked them. “These are two fumbles on something that — on a big game, which — but the game’s not over,” he said.

In a narrow sense, that’s probably true: There may well be enough time to salvage Obamacare.

But on the broader question of whether Obama can rebuild an effective presidency after this debacle, it’s starting to look as if it may be game over.

The record for recent second-term presidents is not good: Reagan had Iran-contra, Clinton had impeachment and Bush had Katrina and Iraq. Once a president suffers a blow such as Obama is now suffering with his health-care law — in which the public not only disapproves of a president’s actions but starts to take a negative view of him personally — it is difficult to recover.

This week’s Quinnipiac University poll found Obama’s job-approval rating at its lowest ever, 39 percent. More ominous: Only 44 percent say Obama is honest and trustworthy, while 52 percent say he is not; that’s the first time more thought him untrustworthy than trustworthy. Polls show Obama’s personal favorability rating has dropped in tandem.

We have seen this before. After the flubbed response to Katrina in 2005, George W. Bush’s honest-and-trustworthy rating fell below 50 percent for the first time, and it never returned. Bill Clinton began his second term with 42 percent calling him honest and trustworthy; he soon slipped into the 20s in Post polling and stayed there.

The loss of trust will make even harder the already uphill effort to persuade Congress to enact other items on his agenda, such as immigration reform and a comprehensive budget deal. House Speaker John Boehner this week dashed hopes of immigration legislation getting through Congress anytime soon, saying the House wouldn’t even negotiate with the Senate over an immigration bill that chamber had passed.

Also this week, House and Senate conferees meeting to discuss the budget they have been assigned to produce acknowledged they had given up hope for a far-reaching agreement.

“As someone who’s been naive enough to believe that we could actually do a larger deal,” Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) told his fellow conferees, “at least getting something done for a year or two would, I think, have an extraordinarily positive effect.”

Obama, in his Thursday news conference, spoke of regaining his clout as part of the game. His game plan: “My intention in terms of winning back the confidence of the American people is just to work as hard as I can, identify the problems that we’ve got, make sure that we’re fixing them.”

“There are going to be ups and downs during the course of my presidency,” Obama said. “I think I said early on when I was running, I am not a perfect man and I will not be a perfect president.”

Dana Milbank: Does health-care fumble mean game over for Obama? - The Washington Post

Most presidents accomplish little in their last years in their second term, however without another election in front of him, I think a lot of people will be surprised by Obama.

In spite of the fumbles in launching Obamacare, I doubt that we will see any significant changes to the law until 2017.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Doesn't look good when even the Washington Post says it may be game over for Obama.

Does the health-care fumble mean game over for Obama?


Four times he mentioned fumbling — both the HealthCare.gov Web site and his promise that people could keep their health plans if they liked them. “These are two fumbles on something that — on a big game, which — but the game’s not over,” he said.

In a narrow sense, that’s probably true: There may well be enough time to salvage Obamacare.

But on the broader question of whether Obama can rebuild an effective presidency after this debacle, it’s starting to look as if it may be game over.

The record for recent second-term presidents is not good: Reagan had Iran-contra, Clinton had impeachment and Bush had Katrina and Iraq. Once a president suffers a blow such as Obama is now suffering with his health-care law — in which the public not only disapproves of a president’s actions but starts to take a negative view of him personally — it is difficult to recover.

This week’s Quinnipiac University poll found Obama’s job-approval rating at its lowest ever, 39 percent. More ominous: Only 44 percent say Obama is honest and trustworthy, while 52 percent say he is not; that’s the first time more thought him untrustworthy than trustworthy. Polls show Obama’s personal favorability rating has dropped in tandem.

We have seen this before. After the flubbed response to Katrina in 2005, George W. Bush’s honest-and-trustworthy rating fell below 50 percent for the first time, and it never returned. Bill Clinton began his second term with 42 percent calling him honest and trustworthy; he soon slipped into the 20s in Post polling and stayed there.

The loss of trust will make even harder the already uphill effort to persuade Congress to enact other items on his agenda, such as immigration reform and a comprehensive budget deal. House Speaker John Boehner this week dashed hopes of immigration legislation getting through Congress anytime soon, saying the House wouldn’t even negotiate with the Senate over an immigration bill that chamber had passed.

Also this week, House and Senate conferees meeting to discuss the budget they have been assigned to produce acknowledged they had given up hope for a far-reaching agreement.

“As someone who’s been naive enough to believe that we could actually do a larger deal,” Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) told his fellow conferees, “at least getting something done for a year or two would, I think, have an extraordinarily positive effect.”

Obama, in his Thursday news conference, spoke of regaining his clout as part of the game. His game plan: “My intention in terms of winning back the confidence of the American people is just to work as hard as I can, identify the problems that we’ve got, make sure that we’re fixing them.”

“There are going to be ups and downs during the course of my presidency,” Obama said. “I think I said early on when I was running, I am not a perfect man and I will not be a perfect president.”

Dana Milbank: Does health-care fumble mean game over for Obama? - The Washington Post

Most presidents accomplish little in their last years in their second term, however without another election in front of him, I think a lot of people will be surprised by Obama.

In spite of the fumbles in launching Obamacare, I doubt that we will see any significant changes to the law until 2017.

I agree on both points. Obama is not your average potus. As far the last 2 years go that has largely been as a result of the historical trend for the party of the WH incumbent to lose congressional seats in the 2nd term midterm elections. However 2014 might not fit the usual pattern given the current dissent with the GOP itself and how that is perceived by the voting public.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Since you never addressed any of my points you have obviously failed to discredit them. Feel free to try again.

Obvious only to you, I'll fight to the end to defend your right to be ignorant.

Let's recap. I posted the following indisputable facts;

Since you need it spelled out to you the Republicans made the 2012 election about the ACA and they lost. They have failed to repeal the ACA 40+ times. They have failed to get the ACA overturned by the Supreme Court. They have failed to shutdown the government in an attempt to defund the ACA.

You never addressed any of them.

I then made the following statements;

The ACA is still around and the GOP is splitting apart. At some point you are going to have to stop and realize that your obsession with the ACA is doing your own party far more harm than good.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact that the ACA is still the law of the land.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact that the GOP is splitting apart.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact your party needs to relinquish it's obsession with the ACA.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact this obsession is doing your party more harm than good.

Since you have failed to address these points twice in a row you have tacitly conceded that they are both valid and accurate. Have a nice day.

spinning, you're still spinning. I'll find to the end for your right to be ignorant.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Doesn't look good when even the Washington Post says it may be game over for Obama.

Does the health-care fumble mean game over for Obama?


Four times he mentioned fumbling — both the HealthCare.gov Web site and his promise that people could keep their health plans if they liked them. “These are two fumbles on something that — on a big game, which — but the game’s not over,” he said.

In a narrow sense, that’s probably true: There may well be enough time to salvage Obamacare.

But on the broader question of whether Obama can rebuild an effective presidency after this debacle, it’s starting to look as if it may be game over.

The record for recent second-term presidents is not good: Reagan had Iran-contra, Clinton had impeachment and Bush had Katrina and Iraq. Once a president suffers a blow such as Obama is now suffering with his health-care law — in which the public not only disapproves of a president’s actions but starts to take a negative view of him personally — it is difficult to recover.

This week’s Quinnipiac University poll found Obama’s job-approval rating at its lowest ever, 39 percent. More ominous: Only 44 percent say Obama is honest and trustworthy, while 52 percent say he is not; that’s the first time more thought him untrustworthy than trustworthy. Polls show Obama’s personal favorability rating has dropped in tandem.

We have seen this before. After the flubbed response to Katrina in 2005, George W. Bush’s honest-and-trustworthy rating fell below 50 percent for the first time, and it never returned. Bill Clinton began his second term with 42 percent calling him honest and trustworthy; he soon slipped into the 20s in Post polling and stayed there.

The loss of trust will make even harder the already uphill effort to persuade Congress to enact other items on his agenda, such as immigration reform and a comprehensive budget deal. House Speaker John Boehner this week dashed hopes of immigration legislation getting through Congress anytime soon, saying the House wouldn’t even negotiate with the Senate over an immigration bill that chamber had passed.

Also this week, House and Senate conferees meeting to discuss the budget they have been assigned to produce acknowledged they had given up hope for a far-reaching agreement.

“As someone who’s been naive enough to believe that we could actually do a larger deal,” Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) told his fellow conferees, “at least getting something done for a year or two would, I think, have an extraordinarily positive effect.”

Obama, in his Thursday news conference, spoke of regaining his clout as part of the game. His game plan: “My intention in terms of winning back the confidence of the American people is just to work as hard as I can, identify the problems that we’ve got, make sure that we’re fixing them.”

“There are going to be ups and downs during the course of my presidency,” Obama said. “I think I said early on when I was running, I am not a perfect man and I will not be a perfect president.”

Dana Milbank: Does health-care fumble mean game over for Obama? - The Washington Post

Most presidents accomplish little in their last years in their second term, however without another election in front of him, I think a lot of people will be surprised by Obama.

In spite of the fumbles in launching Obamacare, I doubt that we will see any significant changes to the law until 2017.

I agree on both points. Obama is not your average potus. As far the last 2 years go that has largely been as a result of the historical trend for the party of the WH incumbent to lose congressional seats in the 2nd term midterm elections. However 2014 might not fit the usual pattern given the current dissent with the GOP itself and how that is perceived by the voting public.

Oduma sheep in agreement, wow, never seen that before!! BWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Since you never addressed any of my points you have obviously failed to discredit them. Feel free to try again.

Obvious only to you, I'll fight to the end to defend your right to be ignorant.

Let's recap. I posted the following indisputable facts;

Since you need it spelled out to you the Republicans made the 2012 election about the ACA and they lost. They have failed to repeal the ACA 40+ times. They have failed to get the ACA overturned by the Supreme Court. They have failed to shutdown the government in an attempt to defund the ACA.

You never addressed any of them.

I then made the following statements;

The ACA is still around and the GOP is splitting apart. At some point you are going to have to stop and realize that your obsession with the ACA is doing your own party far more harm than good.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact that the ACA is still the law of the land.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact that the GOP is splitting apart.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact your party needs to relinquish it's obsession with the ACA.

Nothing in your response addressed the fact this obsession is doing your party more harm than good.

Since you have failed to address these points twice in a row you have tacitly conceded that they are both valid and accurate. Have a nice day.

FACTS!!! So they are facts just because you posted them, huh? don't think so.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

A couple of decades from now, GOPrs will be holding up signs saying "Keep your Government out of my ACA".

ACA: worst health crisis since the Spanish Flu