Gen. Flynn case about to blow up in Dimwinger's faces.

[Lewdog]

Lying to the FBI is a pretty substantial charge. Clinton was impeached for lying about a consensual blowjob. Flynn lied about secretly dealing with Russia on behalf of Trump's campaign.

What lie did flynn tell?

He is not accused of any other crime except a misstatement given without legal council present

Not true. He spoke with Russian officials on what to do about Obama's sanctions. Then he lied about it. Then Pence, based on Flynn's lies, told falsehoods. Then Flynn lied again. Then he got caught.

The Mueller report's account of Michael Flynn's lies

Yet is flynn had told the FBI “Sure I talked to the russians” ,which is not a crime, that would be the end of it

Correct. If he didn't lie, he wouldn't be a liar.

Flynn was blindsided and not informed he was under criminal investigation

under miramda he had a right to a lawyer before saying anything

Wait... so do you NOT tell the truth unless you are under MIRANDA? You don't have to be under MIRANDA when discussing an investigation with the FBI. Lying to the FBI is a crime and he should know that.

 

[K9Buck]

Wait... so do you NOT tell the truth unless you are under MIRANDA? You don't have to be under MIRANDA when discussing an investigation with the FBI. Lying to the FBI is a crime and he should know that.

What if some guy comes up and asks you a question and you give him an untruthful answer and, later, you find out he was an FBI agent and now you're going to prison for 6 months? Is that justice?

 

[Faun]

Wait... so do you NOT tell the truth unless you are under MIRANDA? You don't have to be under MIRANDA when discussing an investigation with the FBI. Lying to the FBI is a crime and he should know that.

What if some guy comes up and asks you a question and you give him an untruthful answer and, later, you find out he was an FBI agent and now you're going to prison for 6 months? Is that justice?

Why would anyone answer questions to someone they don't know is law enforcement about a potential crime??

 

[K9Buck]

Why would anyone answer questions to someone they don't know is law enforcement about a potential crime??

One can be charged for lying to the FBI without knowing that they're actually talking to an FBI agent. I didn't previously know that. Now, Flynn knew he was talking to FBI agents so this doesn't apply to him, but how do you feel about the concept of sending people to jail for lying to someone that they did not know was an FBI agent?

 

[Lewdog]

Wait... so do you NOT tell the truth unless you are under MIRANDA? You don't have to be under MIRANDA when discussing an investigation with the FBI. Lying to the FBI is a crime and he should know that.

What if some guy comes up and asks you a question and you give him an untruthful answer and, later, you find out he was an FBI agent and now you're going to prison for 6 months? Is that justice?

You sure as hell know that isn't what happened. Quit with the stupid ass red herrings.

 

[K9Buck]

You sure as hell know that isn't what happened.

Correct. I'm not talking about Flynn. I'm talking about the FBI talking to someone who doesn't know they're an FBI agent, getting them to say something that isn't true and then prosecuting them for it.

I'm not sure I agree with such a form of "justice". How about you?

 

[Faun]

Why would anyone answer questions to someone they don't know is law enforcement about a potential crime??

One can be charged for lying to the FBI without knowing that they're actually talking to an FBI agent. I didn't previously know that. Now, Flynn knew he was talking to FBI agents so this doesn't apply to him, but how do you feel about the concept of sending people to jail for lying to someone that they did not know was an FBI agent?

I don't know if that's true but I would be against it if it is.

 

[Lewdog]

You sure as hell know that isn't what happened.

Correct. I'm not talking about Flynn. I'm talking about the FBI talking to someone who doesn't know they're an FBI agent, getting them to say something that isn't true and then prosecuting them for it.

I'm not sure I agree with such a form of "justice". How about you?

Why? The FBI doesn't ambush people without announcing who they are and why they are asking questions... THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. And as I already asked, do you have a problem with telling the truth without being under Miranda? I don't. Hell of caught shit on this forum for telling the truth about myself. I don't have a reason to lie.

 

[Care4all]

You sure as hell know that isn't what happened.

Correct. I'm not talking about Flynn. I'm talking about the FBI talking to someone who doesn't know they're an FBI agent, getting them to say something that isn't true and then prosecuting them for it.

I'm not sure I agree with such a form of "justice". How about you?

how does an fbi agent get someone else to say something that is not true?

i mean, i've seen trump do that to his people, make them lie for him.... but he uses his power, and being a bully to do that....

but how would your scenario occur with an FBI agent getting someone else that does not know he is an agent, to lie about something he could be arrested for....?

sorry, it just makes no sense to me???

 

[Care4all]

Not true. He spoke with Russian officials on what to do about Obama's sanctions. Then he lied about it. Then Pence, based on Flynn's lies, told falsehoods. Then Flynn lied again. Then he got caught.

The Mueller report's account of Michael Flynn's lies

Yet is flynn had told the FBI “Sure I talked to the russians” ,which is not a crime, that would be the end of it

Correct. If he didn't lie, he wouldn't be a liar.

Flynn was blindsided and not informed he was under criminal investigation

under miramda he had a right to a lawyer before saying anything

You always have rights to a lawyer when being questioned by law enforcement. Miranda rights are only required when in custody of law enforcement.

Most people are not escorted by a lawyer 24/7 on the chance that the FBI might drop in for a chat

so flynn was at a big disadvantage to the rogue Deep State

no he wasn't at a disadvantage.... he even got a heads up, to them coming to question him

READ THE REST AT THE LINK:

washingtonpost.com
Special counsel rejects suggestion by Flynn’s attorneys that he was misled in FBI interview
Matt Zapotosky
7-9 minutes
The special counsel’s office on Friday fired back at the suggestion that former national security adviser Michael Flynn might have been duped into lying to the FBI about his conversations with the Russian ambassador — writing in a new court filing that Flynn “chose to make false statements” not just to agents but to the media, the vice president and other members of the presidential transition.

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III wrote Friday that he continued to support little or no prison time for Flynn. But he and his prosecutors vigorously pushed backed against the idea raised by Flynn’s defense attorneys that he was caught unawares by FBI agents. And they argued that his lies to Vice President Pence and others were a “material” part of a national security investigation.

“The Court should reject the defendant’s attempt to minimize the seriousness of those false statements to the FBI,” prosecutors wrote in a memo filed ahead of Flynn’s scheduled sentencing next week. “Nothing about the way the interview was arranged or conducted caused the defendant to make false statements to the FBI.”

Flynn pleaded guilty a year ago to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition and agreed to cooperate with Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign.

The special counsel said last week that Flynn has provided “firsthand information” about interactions between the Trump transition and Russian government officials.

However, many of Flynn’s supporters have questioned the legitimacy of the case against him. In arguing for a lenient sentence this week, Flynn’s defense attorneys made a point of noting that, among other circumstances, agents did not warn him beforehand that it was a crime to lie to the FBI.

“As General Flynn has frankly acknowledged in his own words, he recognizes that his actions were wrong and he accepts full responsibility for them,” Flynn’s attorneys wrote. “There are, at the same time, some additional facts regarding the circumstances of the FBI interview of General Flynn on January 24, 2017, that are relevant to the Court’s consideration of a just punishment.”

That prompted U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan to request more information on the circumstances surrounding the January interview.

In its filing responding to Sullivan’s request, the special counsel’s office released a partially redacted memo by Andrew McCabe, who then was deputy director of the FBI, describing how he gave Flynn a heads-up that the agents wanted to interview him about the conversations with the ambassador.

According to the memo, Flynn acknowledged to McCabe that he “probably knew what was said” — suggesting he might have been aware his phone calls with the Russian diplomat would be intercepted by intelligence officials — and questioned how so much information about his calls had been made public.

Prosecutors also included a partially redacted summary of an interview with former FBI agent Peter Strzok, one of the agents who interviewed Flynn, who described his relaxed demeanor.

Taken together, the documents underscore one of the lingering oddities of the Flynn case — knowing his conversations with Kislyak were recorded and knowing that the FBI agents were going to question him about the discussions, why did he try to mislead them?

“A sitting national security adviser, former head of an intelligence agency, retired lieutenant general, and 33-year veteran of the armed forces knows he should not lie to federal agents,” the prosecutors wrote.

The memo also addressed one of the issues that Flynn supporters have raised in questioning his prosecution — that the FBI agents who interviewed him did not get the impression Flynn was lying.

The special counsel’s office conceded that the agents “had the impression at that time that the defendant was not lying or did not think he was lying.”

“Those misimpressions do not change the fact — as the defendant has admitted in sworn testimony to this district court — that he was indeed lying and knowingly made false statements to FBI agents in a national security investigation,” the special counsel’s filing said. “Those false statements were material, including by raising the question of why he was lying to the FBI, the Vice President, and others.”

Such a senior official “does not need to be warned it is a crime to lie to federal agents to know the importance of telling them the truth,” prosecutors added.

 

[westwall]

What lie did flynn tell?

He is not accused of any other crime except a misstatement given without legal council present

Not true. He spoke with Russian officials on what to do about Obama's sanctions. Then he lied about it. Then Pence, based on Flynn's lies, told falsehoods. Then Flynn lied again. Then he got caught.

The Mueller report's account of Michael Flynn's lies

Yet is flynn had told the FBI “Sure I talked to the russians” ,which is not a crime, that would be the end of it

Correct. If he didn't lie, he wouldn't be a liar.

Flynn was blindsided and not informed he was under criminal investigation

under miramda he had a right to a lawyer before saying anything

You always have rights to a lawyer when being questioned by law enforcement. Miranda rights are only required when in custody of law enforcement.

Miranda applies WHENEVER you are being questioned by law enforcement.

 

[westwall]

No one is forced to answer questions by the FBI. And most certainly, no one is forced to lie to them. But should one do so and get caught lying, they most certainly may face criminal charges for lying to them.

If Andrew McCabe lied to his own FBI agents, do you agree that he too should be imprisoned for 6 months?

No, he should go away for years. Extraordinary privileges demand extraordinary punishments when those privileges are abused.

 

[Lewdog]

You guys defending Flynn crack me up. The man was Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He knew he was talking to the FBI, AND he knew lying to them was a crime.

So either he is an idiot and Obama was totally in the right in firing him for incompetence...

OR he knew he was in deep shit and thought his only way to potentially get out of it was to lie and hope for the best.

You choose... one of those choices isn't that the FBI cornered him and tried to find a reason to put him in jail.

 

[K9Buck]

You guys defending Flynn crack me up. The man was Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He knew he was talking to the FBI, AND he knew lying to them was a crime.

So either he is an idiot and Obama was totally in the right in firing him for incompetence...

OR he knew he was in deep shit and thought his only way to potentially get out of it was to lie and hope for the best.

You choose... one of those choices isn't that the FBI cornered him and tried to find a reason to put him in jail.

I'm not a fan. He messed up. He also apparently lied to VP Pence. With that said, the FBI apparently engaged in a lot of corrupt and probably criminal behavior. The hunters are now the hunted.

How much money again did McCabe's wife receive from Hillary or because of Hillary? And wasn't McCabe in charge of investigating Hillary? Do you see any conflict of interest there?

 

[Lewdog]

You guys defending Flynn crack me up. The man was Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He knew he was talking to the FBI, AND he knew lying to them was a crime.

So either he is an idiot and Obama was totally in the right in firing him for incompetence...

OR he knew he was in deep shit and thought his only way to potentially get out of it was to lie and hope for the best.

You choose... one of those choices isn't that the FBI cornered him and tried to find a reason to put him in jail.

I'm not a fan. He messed up. He also apparently lied to VP Pence. With that said, the FBI apparently engaged in a lot of corrupt and probably criminal behavior. The hunters are now the hunted.

How much money again did McCabe's wife receive from Hillary or because of Hillary? And wasn't McCabe in charge of investigating Hillary? Do you see any conflict of interest there?

Are you married? Just because two people are married doesn't mean you always share the same political positions... and you sure as hell aren't going to tell your wife who to vote for. Also to think just because a woman or man is married to someone in the FBI or any other position where they need to try and keep their political beliefs private, doesn't mean their spouse has to as well. The type of thing you are referring to is called Communism.

 

[K9Buck]

You guys defending Flynn crack me up. The man was Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He knew he was talking to the FBI, AND he knew lying to them was a crime.

So either he is an idiot and Obama was totally in the right in firing him for incompetence...

OR he knew he was in deep shit and thought his only way to potentially get out of it was to lie and hope for the best.

You choose... one of those choices isn't that the FBI cornered him and tried to find a reason to put him in jail.

I'm not a fan. He messed up. He also apparently lied to VP Pence. With that said, the FBI apparently engaged in a lot of corrupt and probably criminal behavior. The hunters are now the hunted.

How much money again did McCabe's wife receive from Hillary or because of Hillary? And wasn't McCabe in charge of investigating Hillary? Do you see any conflict of interest there?

Are you married? Just because two people are married doesn't mean you always share the same political positions... and you sure as hell aren't going to tell your wife who to vote for. Also to think just because a woman or man is married to someone in the FBI or any other position where they need to try and keep their political beliefs private, doesn't mean their spouse has to as well. The type of thing you are referring to is called Communism.

Lol. What an idiotic response.

 

[Lewdog]

You guys defending Flynn crack me up. The man was Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He knew he was talking to the FBI, AND he knew lying to them was a crime.

So either he is an idiot and Obama was totally in the right in firing him for incompetence...

OR he knew he was in deep shit and thought his only way to potentially get out of it was to lie and hope for the best.

You choose... one of those choices isn't that the FBI cornered him and tried to find a reason to put him in jail.

I'm not a fan. He messed up. He also apparently lied to VP Pence. With that said, the FBI apparently engaged in a lot of corrupt and probably criminal behavior. The hunters are now the hunted.

How much money again did McCabe's wife receive from Hillary or because of Hillary? And wasn't McCabe in charge of investigating Hillary? Do you see any conflict of interest there?

Are you married? Just because two people are married doesn't mean you always share the same political positions... and you sure as hell aren't going to tell your wife who to vote for. Also to think just because a woman or man is married to someone in the FBI or any other position where they need to try and keep their political beliefs private, doesn't mean their spouse has to as well. The type of thing you are referring to is called Communism.

Lol. What an idiotic response.

Sorry but just because someone works for the government doesn't mean they give up their rights, nor does it mean their family has to as well. That's called Communism. Is that what you want? Just because someone may affiliate themselves with a political party opposite the President, doesn't mean they can't follow orders and do their job? Do you think all the hundreds of military leaders in the U.S. are all Republicans? And their wives are all Republicans? Do you think all the thousands of people working in the intelligence agencies are all Republicans? Do you think all their spouses are Republicans? You really are delusional.

Have you realized yet that Trump has been impeached? Or are you still ignoring that as well?

 

[K9Buck]

It was a massive conflict of interest.

 

[Mac-7]

Flynn was blindsided and not informed he was under criminal investigation

under miramda he had a right to a lawyer before saying anything

You always have rights to a lawyer when being questioned by law enforcement. Miranda rights are only required when in custody of law enforcement.

Most people are not escorted by a lawyer 24/7 on the chance that the FBI might drop in for a chat

so flynn was at a big disadvantage to the rogue Deep State

No one is forced to answer questions by the FBI. And most certainly, no one is forced to lie to them. But should one do so and get caught lying, they most certainly may face criminal charges for lying to them.

When the FBI drops in on the pretext of shooting the breeze when they are really trying to hang a crime on you thats a trap

So that means one should lie to them??

I’d like to meet the man who tells the truth 100% of time

in washington lies are the native language

If flynn had known he was under criminal investigation I think he would have chosen his words more carefully

 

[Mac-7]

You guys defending Flynn crack me up. The man was Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He knew he was talking to the FBI, AND he knew lying to them was a crime.

So either he is an idiot and Obama was totally in the right in firing him for incompetence...

OR he knew he was in deep shit and thought his only way to potentially get out of it was to lie and hope for the best.

You choose... one of those choices isn't that the FBI cornered him and tried to find a reason to put him in jail.

I'm not a fan. He messed up. He also apparently lied to VP Pence. With that said, the FBI apparently engaged in a lot of corrupt and probably criminal behavior. The hunters are now the hunted.

How much money again did McCabe's wife receive from Hillary or because of Hillary? And wasn't McCabe in charge of investigating Hillary? Do you see any conflict of interest there?

Are you married? Just because two people are married doesn't mean you always share the same political positions... and you sure as hell aren't going to tell your wife who to vote for. Also to think just because a woman or man is married to someone in the FBI or any other position where they need to try and keep their political beliefs private, doesn't mean their spouse has to as well. The type of thing you are referring to is called Communism.

Lol. What an idiotic response.

Sorry but just because someone works for the government doesn't mean they give up their rights, nor does it mean their family has to as well. That's called Communism. Is that what you want? Just because someone may affiliate themselves with a political party opposite the President, doesn't mean they can't follow orders and do their job? Do you think all the hundreds of military leaders in the U.S. are all Republicans? And their wives are all Republicans? Do you think all the thousands of people working in the intelligence agencies are all Republicans? Do you think all their spouses are Republicans? You really are delusional.

Have you realized yet that Trump has been impeached? Or are you still ignoring that as well?

Have you realized yet that Trump has been impeached? Or are you still ignoring that as well?

Pelosi has ignored it so far