Ray From Cleveland
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Again, think real hard. See if you can figure out why in-person voter fraud is so extremely rare.That's not how he got busted.North Carolina Republican operative charged in election fraud schemeYou can provide a long list of Republicans committing voter fraud, but you don't? Am I just supposed to take you one your word here, or what?
Note: Redistricting and voter ID laws aren't forms of "voter fraud."
Two Republicans charged in Ohio election fraud, win anyway
Oregon elections worker fired after allegations of ballot tampering
Now get busy explaining how those could have been stopped by Voter ID.
Good luck with that.
Voter ID will not catch criminals within the system, but it will help prevent fraudulent voting outside of the system. Nobody said voter ID will stop all voter fraud, just people who want to, or try to vote using a false identity. But in the first North Carolina story, if the real voter casts a vote where they indeed have an ID, then the conflict would have been settled by the absentee ballots this guy was trying to cast. And who knows, maybe that's how he got busted.
The only kind of fraud Voter ID would ever prevent is in-person voter fraud. Now I want you to think real hard about why in-person voter fraud is so extremely rare.
Hint: It has nothing to do with Voter ID.
The problem with real person voter fraud is that it's almost undetectable. A couple of years ago I might have witnessed it. The guy in front of me presented an ID, and the elderly poll worker examined it and denied him a ballot. The guy just turned around and left the building without giving any kind of argument.
Nobody called the police, it was never reported in the paper, nobody knew except the guy that tried to vote and the worker who said his ID was unacceptable. So I'm sure it goes on all the time. Some get denied voting and others get away with it. After the ballot is cast, nobody knows.
"Might have" anecdotes don't mean shit.
The only reason it's considered rare is because very few get caught at it for the reasons I already explained. It's rare that somebody speeds on the highway when there are no cops around to do laser to catch them. If the city or state doesn't do traffic enforcement, then nobody is really speeding, are they?
Voter-ID doesn't hurt anybody. After all, look at all the other reasons you need an ID. You need one to get a passport, buy tobacco or alcohol products, to get a home loan from a bank, to cash a check at a store, to get a CCW permit in most states, to get a CDL. But it's wrong to ask people to get an ID to verify they have the right to vote?