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OK... so, functionally, how does raising awareness of the consequences of having a gun reduce the number of gun-related homicides?Because those who are often the most overzealous to use guns, the ones who think that they are John Mclain or something are the ones who die by it. Adding a gun into the equation can make you feel safer, but statistically at least it just increases the likelihood that you are shot.So how can you state that out non-gun murder rate is not a problem?I have no clue....
US homicide rate 2011 was 4.8/100k.
66.8% of homicides were gun-related, thus the US non-gun homicide rate was 1.6/100k
How does that compare to, say, the UK, Ireland, Holland, Australia, Sweeden, New Zealand, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Spain, Austria, Norway, Japan and Iceland?
How will this reduce the number of gun-related homicides?To what end? until guns are viewed like ciggarettes, if you want one have it, but you now know the consequences that come with ownership.
OK... so, functionally, how does raising awareness of the consequences of having a gun reduce the number of gun-related homicides?Because those who are often the most overzealous to use guns, the ones who think that they are John Mclain or something are the ones who die by it. Adding a gun into the equation can make you feel safer, but statistically at least it just increases the likelihood that you are shot.So how can you state that out non-gun murder rate is not a problem?
US homicide rate 2011 was 4.8/100k.
66.8% of homicides were gun-related, thus the US non-gun homicide rate was 1.6/100k
How does that compare to, say, the UK, Ireland, Holland, Australia, Sweeden, New Zealand, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Spain, Austria, Norway, Japan and Iceland?
How will this reduce the number of gun-related homicides?
Also: I did not see your asnwer:
US homicide rate 2011 was 4.8/100k.
66.8% of homicides were gun-related, thus the US non-gun homicide rate was 1.6/100k
How does that compare to, say, the UK, Ireland, Holland, Australia, Sweeden, New Zealand, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Spain, Austria, Norway, Japan and Iceland?
I'm sorry - was this an answer to my question of, functionally, how does raising awareness of the consequences of having a gun reduce the number of gun-related homicides?Well theres no stats to prove ideology so I cant exactly boil that one down to numbers.OK... so, functionally, how does raising awareness of the consequences of having a gun reduce the number of gun-related homicides?Because those who are often the most overzealous to use guns, the ones who think that they are John Mclain or something are the ones who die by it. Adding a gun into the equation can make you feel safer, but statistically at least it just increases the likelihood that you are shot.
Also: I did not see your asnwer:
US homicide rate 2011 was 4.8/100k.
66.8% of homicides were gun-related, thus the US non-gun homicide rate was 1.6/100k
How does that compare to, say, the UK, Ireland, Holland, Australia, Sweeden, New Zealand, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Spain, Austria, Norway, Japan and Iceland?
UK, Ireland, Holland, Australia, Sweeden, New Zealand, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Spain, Austria, Norway, Japan and Iceland all have a murder rate of 1.6/100k or less -- that is, our non-gun murder rate exceeds their total murfer rate. In fact, our blade--related murder rate - 0.62/100k - exceeds the total murder rate of Austrai, Norway, Japan and Iceland.the swiss come in second to us in "Western" nations at like 3.8 for every 100 k. france is 3 flat, the canadians are at 2.3, the Italinas at 1.2 and the spanish at .6.. Our 4.8 looks high to them.
I'm sorry - was this an answer to my question of, functionally, how does raising awareness of the consequences of having a gun reduce the number of gun-related homicides?Well theres no stats to prove ideology so I cant exactly boil that one down to numbers.OK... so, functionally, how does raising awareness of the consequences of having a gun reduce the number of gun-related homicides?
Also: I did not see your asnwer:
US homicide rate 2011 was 4.8/100k.
66.8% of homicides were gun-related, thus the US non-gun homicide rate was 1.6/100k
How does that compare to, say, the UK, Ireland, Holland, Australia, Sweeden, New Zealand, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Spain, Austria, Norway, Japan and Iceland?
If so, then please explain.
If not, then please address the question.
UK, Ireland, Holland, Australia, Sweeden, New Zealand, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Spain, Austria, Norway, Japan and Iceland all have a murder rate of 1.6/100k or less -- that is, our non-gun murder rate exceeds their total murfer rate. In fact, our blade--related murder rate - 0.62/100k - exceeds the total murder rate of Austrai, Norway, Japan and Iceland.the swiss come in second to us in "Western" nations at like 3.8 for every 100 k. france is 3 flat, the canadians are at 2.3, the Italinas at 1.2 and the spanish at .6.. Our 4.8 looks high to them.
So... I ask again: our non-gun murder rate is NOT a problem? How?
I will tell you what..
Tell me exactly how another background check would have stopped Laughner from shooting Giffords.
No one, including the school or the Sheriff had reported the man for needing medical care even though they knew he did.
Yup. Sadly true.
Until we can truly discover who is a potential spree killer gun laws will continue to be ineffective.
And if we are telling ourselves that anybody who has a Dx of some mental or emotional disorder is going to weed out the spree killers we are fooling ourselves.
I'd venture a wager that the mentally sickest people in America have no clinical history of mental disorder.
So if someone were to propose a truly serious mental workup before a person could buy a gun, that might help.
But instead we waste our time debating the ammo magazine sizes as though that was going to make a huge difference.
It won't.
You did.I never said our non gun murder rate wasnt,I'm sorry - was this an answer to my question of, functionally, how does raising awareness of the consequences of having a gun reduce the number of gun-related homicides?Well theres no stats to prove ideology so I cant exactly boil that one down to numbers.
If so, then please explain.
If not, then please address the question.
UK, Ireland, Holland, Australia, Sweeden, New Zealand, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Spain, Austria, Norway, Japan and Iceland all have a murder rate of 1.6/100k or less -- that is, our non-gun murder rate exceeds their total murfer rate. In fact, our blade--related murder rate - 0.62/100k - exceeds the total murder rate of Austrai, Norway, Japan and Iceland.the swiss come in second to us in "Western" nations at like 3.8 for every 100 k. france is 3 flat, the canadians are at 2.3, the Italinas at 1.2 and the spanish at .6.. Our 4.8 looks high to them.
So... I ask again: our non-gun murder rate is NOT a problem? How?
The point you refuse to understand here that our relatively high homicide rate is not related to the availability of any sort of weapon.No, but the number of gun related homicides is.The number of non-gun homicides is not[a problem]?
The solution to your perceived problem clearly lies in something not related to the number of guns in the US.
What do you suggest?
That's what you;re trying to do by raising awareness of the consequences of owning a gun.Our gun murder rate doubles and quadruples other nations. Dont you think that needs adressing?
Call me crazy, but I see the Gun issue in a totally different light and I was scrolling to see if im alone. turns out I am. Is there anyone else out there who thinks this isnt a law problem, but a cultural issue. Americans love our guns, and we love our violence, usually those two dont mesh well. People who have very very low chances of being victims of violent crime are often the ones who are most enthusiastic that they "need" guns for self-defense. In the past year, more than 31,000 people were killed by guns in the US, where in Britain, only around 500 have been killed. It isnt the guns, its the people with the guns. In other words guns arent killing people, people who love guns are.
Don't know where you got your numbers but they are way off, there were only, 16,400 murders in 2011, the last year complete data is available, and not all those were committed with guns. Check your data before you jump out there with ignorant statements.
You stupid fuk. He didn't say "murdered" did he? He said "killed". Are you so fuking stupid you don't know the difference. Or can't you read and comprehend?
Don't know where you got your numbers but they are way off, there were only, 16,400 murders in 2011, the last year complete data is available, and not all those were committed with guns. Check your data before you jump out there with ignorant statements.
You stupid fuk. He didn't say "murdered" did he? He said "killed". Are you so fuking stupid you don't know the difference. Or can't you read and comprehend?
Ok dip stick, what ya going to do to eliminate the real big causes of death, here's a list produced by the CDC to start your campaigns. If you note there were 11,062 firearms homicides, roughly 1/6 of deaths caused by MVA and accidental poisonings. Get back to me when you have those problems under control.
10 Leading Causes of Injury Deaths, United States
2010, All Races, Both Sexes
Age Groups
Rank
1-85
1 Unintentional MV Traffic 33,608
2 Unintentional Poisoning 33,029
3 Unintentional Fall 25,998
4 Suicide Firearm 19,390
5 Homicide Firearm 11,062
6 Suicide Suffocation 9,490
7 Suicide Poisoning 6,599
8 Unintentional Unspecified 5,674
9 Unintentional Suffocation 5,260
10 Unintentional Drowning 3,740
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I never said our non gun murder rate wasnt, but one problem at a time. Our gun murder rate doubles and quadruples other nations. Dont you think that needs adressing?
fair enough, poor citing. 16 thousand though?! even if only 12 are committed by guns which is what bussiness insider tell me that number is ridiculously high. which still speaks to my original premise
I tend to agree that it is a cultural problem but not in the sense you imply. We have a judicial system that fails to enforce our laws, we have a culture that says cooperating with law enforcement is bad and a welfare system designed to destroy the nuclear family. Any society with those values will have violence, if not guns it will be with knives and clubs but it will happen. Until society as a whole decides enough is enough it will continue. People use firearms 2.5 million times a year to protect themselves from the society we have allowed to prosper, would you deny them the right to protect themselves?
That 2.5 million number that is so often cited by the NRA is really a drastic overestimation of the real number. about 35% of the time a gun was used in self defense the offender was committing a burglary. its like this, guns were reported to be used by defenders for self defense in about 845,000 burglaries. From victimization surveys, we know that there were about 6 million burglaries in the U.S. in the year of that survey and only 22% of those incidents occured when someone was in the house (1.3 million of the home invasions). Now, since only 42 % of households own firearms and since 2/3rds of the victims reported to be asleep during the invasion that means we are suppossed to believe that a gun was used (if my math is right) a little over 100 percent of the time.
In no way do I think guns should be taken away from their legal owners, I do think the 20,000 plus laws need to be inforced to keep me and everyone safe from owners that become overzealous with a firearm. Now, the majority of legal firearm owners will tell you that their first three concerns are safety safety and more safety, but there are those out there looking for a reason to use their firearms and statistically that ends poorly for the gun owner.
Functionally, how does raising awareness of the consequences of having a gun reduce the number of gun-related homicides?I want to reform the number one killer of black teens, the "inanimate object" that takes 12,000 american lives a year. I stand by the second amendment and would defend it with my life, but why do we have to live like this? Why cant we call a spade a spade and say that there is in fact a gun violence issue in this country?
Functionally, how does raising awareness of the consequences of having a gun reduce the number of gun-related homicides?I want to reform the number one killer of black teens, the "inanimate object" that takes 12,000 american lives a year. I stand by the second amendment and would defend it with my life, but why do we have to live like this? Why cant we call a spade a spade and say that there is in fact a gun violence issue in this country?
Do you think that people who are prone to comitting murder are unaware of the 'dangers and hazards' of owning a firearm?Becoming aware of the dangers of any hazardous item will reduce the number of harm it can afflict.Functionally, how does raising awareness of the consequences of having a gun reduce the number of gun-related homicides?I want to reform the number one killer of black teens, the "inanimate object" that takes 12,000 american lives a year. I stand by the second amendment and would defend it with my life, but why do we have to live like this? Why cant we call a spade a spade and say that there is in fact a gun violence issue in this country?
If people understood the 'dangers and hazards' of owning firearms, they would be less likely to deliberately shoot each other? Why?I think you would see a reduce in the numbers.[of murders]
Do you think that people who are prone to comitting murder are unaware of the 'dangers and hazards' of owning a firearm?Becoming aware of the dangers of any hazardous item will reduce the number of harm it can afflict.Functionally, how does raising awareness of the consequences of having a gun reduce the number of gun-related homicides?
If people understood the 'dangers and hazards' of owning firearms, they would be less likely to deliberately shoot each other? Why?I think you would see a reduce in the numbers.[of murders]
You stupid fuk. He didn't say "murdered" did he? He said "killed". Are you so fuking stupid you don't know the difference. Or can't you read and comprehend?
Ok dip stick, what ya going to do to eliminate the real big causes of death, here's a list produced by the CDC to start your campaigns. If you note there were 11,062 firearms homicides, roughly 1/6 of deaths caused by MVA and accidental poisonings. Get back to me when you have those problems under control.
10 Leading Causes of Injury Deaths, United States
2010, All Races, Both Sexes
Age Groups
Rank
1-85
1 Unintentional MV Traffic 33,608
2 Unintentional Poisoning 33,029
3 Unintentional Fall 25,998
4 Suicide Firearm 19,390
5 Homicide Firearm 11,062
6 Suicide Suffocation 9,490
7 Suicide Poisoning 6,599
8 Unintentional Unspecified 5,674
9 Unintentional Suffocation 5,260
10 Unintentional Drowning 3,740
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I wont use his languege, but dont you think those numbers are still really high for guns?
Your premise is based on the idea that these people are gut-wrenchingly stupid -- that they do not realize that a gun can do when in the fact the reason they have the gun at all is because of what it can do. Surely you see the weakness here.Do you think that people who are prone to comitting murder are unaware of the 'dangers and hazards' of owning a firearm?Becoming aware of the dangers of any hazardous item will reduce the number of harm it can afflict.
If people understood the 'dangers and hazards' of owning firearms, they would be less likely to deliberately shoot each other? Why?I think you would see a reduce in the numbers.[of murders]
Yes I absolutely do. These are kids committing a lot of these muders. Born into low income situations they are given a gun at thirteen and told sell drugs on this corner until youre arrested, serve your time, and then repaet. They dont understand the consequences of using a gun, they think they need it to survive because every other person has one.
If it was established knowledge that owning that gun puts you at significantly higher risks of dying yourself, I would hope we would be having a totally different conversation.
Ok dip stick, what ya going to do to eliminate the real big causes of death, here's a list produced by the CDC to start your campaigns. If you note there were 11,062 firearms homicides, roughly 1/6 of deaths caused by MVA and accidental poisonings. Get back to me when you have those problems under control.
10 Leading Causes of Injury Deaths, United States
2010, All Races, Both Sexes
Age Groups
Rank
1-85
1 Unintentional MV Traffic 33,608
2 Unintentional Poisoning 33,029
3 Unintentional Fall 25,998
4 Suicide Firearm 19,390
5 Homicide Firearm 11,062
6 Suicide Suffocation 9,490
7 Suicide Poisoning 6,599
8 Unintentional Unspecified 5,674
9 Unintentional Suffocation 5,260
10 Unintentional Drowning 3,740
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I wont use his languege, but dont you think those numbers are still really high for guns?
Are you so naive as to think the gun suicide numbers wouldn't move to another category if a gun wasn't available? The homicide rate is too high, but like I said in my previous post, until we fix attitudes in the majority of the minority communities that won't change, and there is no new law that will be effective.
I want to reform the number one killer of black teens, the "inanimate object" that takes 12,000 american lives a year. I stand by the second amendment and would defend it with my life, but why do we have to live like this? Why cant we call a spade a spade and say that there is in fact a gun violence issue in this country?
