Global Warming Liars

[Red Front]

Most of western Europe has been predominantly socialist since before WWII. Who there has become communist?

Communism is a society without a state, socioeconomic classes, or the need for money.


" Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a far-left[3][4][5] philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order based on the idea of common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange—allocating products to everyone in the society.[6][7][8] It also involves the absence of social classes, money,[9] and the state "

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Communism - Wikipedia

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There is "primitive communism", which is the communism of our ancestors when they lived as hunter-gatherers, in tribes, before the advent of mass agriculture.

Then there is "high communism", a modern, high-tech communism, that only exists when the individual consumer has complete control over the means (technology, machines, equipment, facilities, materials) of production. That implies that the individual consumer is able to produce all of the goods and services that they need and want to consume, without anyone else's help, participation, contribution, or input. Socialism is the process of socializing, democratizing, and eventually personalizing production (i.e. high communism = personalization of production). To give you an example of what type of technology is going to be required to establish high communism, I present you with the following:

ATOMIC PRECISION MANUFACTURING MACHINES (APMMs)








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Socialism is the process that leads not just to a socialization (i.e. non-privatization/non-monetization/non-exploitative/non-capitalist), and democratization (non-authoritarian) mode of production, but also the "personalization" (individualization) of production. Socialism employing 21st century, advanced technology:

Automated Systems, Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, Autonomous Machines, Self-Driving Vehicles, Supercomputing, Space/LEO Manufactured Materials, Nanotechnology..etc

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Leads to high communism. Prof Eric Drexler from MIT considered one of the fathers and first pioneers of nanotechnology says that if he had the funding he could produce APMMs within the next 15 years. Why does he struggle to even get ten million dollars from the US government or the billionaires, to develop what amounts to Star Trek "replicator" technology? If the public gets access to highly developed atomic precision manufacturing technology, that will completely dethrone the current exploitative, authoritarian power structure that depends upon wage labor and people depending upon government infrastructure, social services..etc. Advanced technology will completely liberate the working class and all of humanity from coercive, authoritarian power structures. rendering all human interactions and relationships 100% voluntary.

HIGH COMMUNISM = NO STATE, NO SOCIOECONOMIC CLASSES, NO NEED FOR MONEY.

The state was originally created to protect "The Haves" / "owner class" and maintain their control/ownership over lands, crops, slaves, and livestock from "The HaveNots"/ The Exploited classes. Technology frees humanity from these exploitative systems of production and social dynamics, hence dissolving the state.
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The state becomes superfluous and so does land, and real estate, and anchoring yourself to one location like a planted vegetable. No, not when you become a tech-lord. Landlordism is obsolete, it's the past, I don't want to be stuck with the burden of locationism, because as a master of production, I produce everything that I need and want without anyone else's assistance or input. I am a seafarer, earthfarer, spacefarer, I live on a ship or that giant vehicle I created, with every modern amenity imaginable, and I explore the world and seas, or even the solar system with my family on our ship. My spouse and I, and our children, might choose to live with other families, on a colony in space...

Or we can live at sea...

Or on land..

And on account of the fact that you and I own the means of production, if there's a community that is managed by an incompetent egomaniac or tyrannical fool, we leave and go somewhere else. How can a state or government impose its will upon us, when we own the means of producing everything that we consume? I don't need to live under the authority of a particular government, or in a certain community, I just go wherever I want and I only live in communities that reflect my values, vibe, and character. etc.

THAT IS HIGH COMMUNISM.
STATELESS, NO SOCIOECONOMIC CLASSES, NO NEED FOR MONEY.
REQUIREMENT: VERY ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY.


Socialism is the process that leads to high communism. Why? Why can't we arrive there through "free market capitalism"? Why not?
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Short Answer: The capitalists who own the means of production (machines, equipment, facilities, vehicles, technology/patents/licenses/permits/charters.etc), only produce the goods that we all consume for a profit, hence it's not in their financial interest to empower the consumer to produce everything that they consume without depending upon them (i.e. capitalist business enterprises). In socialism, the goods/products/services that we use are produced not for monetary gain or to be sold in a marketplace, but rather to simply be consumed. The capitalist middleman is eliminated from the equation of production and the people (working class) collectively own the means of production, producing everything to meet their needs. In a worker-run state under the authority of the worker-councils, every opportunity is taken to research and develop technology that will empower the workers and consumers to the greatest extent possible.

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[Red Front]

Those nations you mentioned are heavily sanctioned.

The pinnacle of human development, the inevitable historical evolution of mankind can
be stopped by the decadent, corrupt capitalist economies simply deciding not to play?

Why is Marxism so fragile?

The flower analogy that I gave in my last post is very applicable.

More like your piles of Marxist shit kept killing the flowers and we stopped letting you in the garden.

Socialism and the communism that follows it, is inevitable.

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You obviously don't understand what it means to be economically sanctioned by the US.

 

[surada]

Yes, there is a hole in the ozone over the only continent that has, for all intents and purposes, no refrigerant gases ! [or permanent human population]...but everyone knows that right?

What continent is that?

 

[surada]

Yes, there is a hole in the ozone over the only continent that has, for all intents and purposes, no refrigerant gases ! [or permanent human population]...but everyone knows that right?

What continent?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

What continent is that?

You don't know where the hole in the ozone is su?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

What continent?

OK almost everyone

 

[Frankeneinstein]

What continent is that?

Atlantis

 

[ChemEngineer]

The grinding reality/poverty of Marxist Cuba:

Cuba's forgotten eastern provinces​

Poverty in Cuba​

Communism Caused Cuba's Poverty, Not U.S. Embargo | National Review​

Communism Caused Cuba's Poverty

Economic Reforms Increase Poverty in Cuba - The Borgen Project​

Priest says worst poverty in Cuba is 'lack of freedom' | Catholic News Agency​

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[Toddsterpatriot]

You obviously don't understand what it means to be economically sanctioned by the US.

It means communism is awesome, but it can easily be destroyed by yucky capitalists
simply by not trading with you. Why can't awesome commie countries beat capitalism by just
trading with other awesome commie countries? Yucky capitalist countries thrive when they
only trade with capitalist countries. Weird.

 

[surada]

The grinding reality/poverty of Marxist Cuba:

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Communism Caused Cuba's Poverty, Not U.S. Embargo | National Review​

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Communism Caused Cuba's Poverty

Economic Reforms Increase Poverty in Cuba - The Borgen Project​

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Priest says worst poverty in Cuba is 'lack of freedom' | Catholic News Agency​

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It's been over 50 years. Why do you care what kind of government they have?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's been over 50 years. Why do you care what kind of government they have?

Free the Cuban people, hang the commissars.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Marx's ideas have failed everywhere they have been tried. Didn't you know that?

You disagree? Communism is inevitable? LOL!

 

[Red Front]

It means communism is awesome, but it can easily be destroyed by yucky capitalists
simply by not trading with you. Why can't awesome commie countries beat capitalism by just
trading with other awesome commie countries? Yucky capitalist countries thrive when they
only trade with capitalist countries. Weird.

Again, you disingenuously fail to acknowledge the influence and power the American empire has over the world's economy, including trade. The Cuban government or any Cuban company or citizen living in Cuba is unable to open bank accounts with any bank outside of the Island, hence can't open lines of credit. Any company in the world that does business in Cuba, can't do business with the US. Any merchant ship that docks in a Cuban port, can't dock in any American port in the United States mainland, or in any of its territories for at least six months.

Ship & Container Tracking - VesselFinder

VesselFinder is a FREE AIS vessel tracking web site. VesselFinder displays real time ship positions and marine traffic detected by global AIS network.

www.vesselfinder.com

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home.treasury.gov

Any product that has 10% or more American-made, owned or patented parts, can not be sold to Cuba from any country. If any country or company sells such products to Cuba, it can't trade with the United States and may be sanctioned itself. There is also a long list of raw materials that Cuba can't purchase, and any ship found with those materials heading to a Cuban port will be barred from the US indefinitely and even seized by US authorities. Venezuela has already had more than one of its oil tankers prevented from docking in Cuba by the US Navy. The United States through Guantanamo has its navy monitoring all Cuban ports and identifying the merchant ship traffic around Cuba, not to speak of the fact that every one of these ships is registered into a GPS tracking network controlled by the United States. You can't run a shipping company without your fleet being registered.

There is also the problem of the United States freezing assets of sanctioned countries. Cuba, Venezuela, and Afghanistan, all of these sanctioned countries have billions of dollars of their gold, cash, and resources frozen by the United States empire, in banks around the world. Venezuela has nine billion dollars in gold frozen in London. Afghanistan has 7 billion dollars frozen in Western European banks. Cuba just lost 250 million dollars in one of the US government's latest asset-seizure campaigns. Cuba is an Island in the shadow of a capitalist empire that won't allow it to adopt socialism, out of fear that if it succeeds, the American working class will start getting some "bad ideas" about socialism and try to establish it here in the United States. The American ruling class, hates socialism and makes sure that every nation that identifies as having a Marxist, socialist economy and government, is severly punished, financially and otherwise.

US politicians also threaten Cuba with war. In the latest CIA orchestrated protests in Cuba, about a year ago, Senator Rubio and others were threatening to invade Cuba. So Cuba has to deal with the economic impact of the sanctions plus a possible invasion by the US. It's essentially a nation under siege by the United States empire. HELLO? Wake up.

 

[Red Front]

The grinding reality/poverty of Marxist Cuba:

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Communism Caused Cuba's Poverty, Not U.S. Embargo | National Review​

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Communism Caused Cuba's Poverty

Economic Reforms Increase Poverty in Cuba - The Borgen Project​

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Priest says worst poverty in Cuba is 'lack of freedom' | Catholic News Agency​

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This is another one of those silly arguments. You need to think before you adopt a line of argumentation because that same argument may be used against you. Don't you realize that? Cuba is sanctioned, and under seige by the United States yet there are nations with capitalist economies that are not sanctioned or under siege by the US and yet are in worse condition than Cuba...

CAPITALIST HAITI

CAPITALIST HAITI

Haitians trying to escape from Capitalist run and exploited Haiti.

CAPITALIST UGANDA

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You need to ask yourself "can the argument that I am about to post, be used against me?".....You need to ask those types of questions. Can your opponent turn the table and use the same, exact line of argumentation, against you? This is a classical debate principle taught in schools that have debate clubs. Basic stuff. Think before you post.

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[Red Front]

Free the Cuban people, hang the commissars.

The Cuban people need to be freed from US bullying and sanctions.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

It's been over 50 years. Why do you care what kind of government they have?

Perhaps you should address matters in the context they were intended...if you try to see that his post is proof of the miserable failure left wing politics creates you would understand the post, instead you are trying to send the message that there is no need to look at its results.

 

[surada]

Perhaps you should address matters in the context they were intended...if you try to see that his post is proof of the miserable failure left wing politics creates you would understand the post, instead you are trying to send the message that there is no need to look at its results.

Lol that's idiotic. Democrats don't want a Cuban style government. Is that the crap you're pushing? We drove Cuba into the arms of the Soviets. How old are you?

 

[Flash]

Chem Engineer posted a number of purported statements and factoids without links as I thought this forum required. I was providing refutation for all of them. If you can't handle the traffic, stay off the fucking road child. This reminds me of the earlier contention from a different denier that no evidence of a crime was evidence of a crime.

You didn't refute anything. You posted garbage from sources that have been exposed to have created fraudulent data.

You need to start thinking for yourself kid. Spouting this silly ass AGW crap from sources that have been exposed time and time again for lying to us just makes you look like an idiot.

Pull your head out of your ass.

Climate change is natural and it is real. Man made climate change is a scam.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Lol that's idiotic. Democrats don't want a Cuban style government. Is that the crap you're pushing? We drove Cuba into the arms of the Soviets. How old are you?

context su! context!

 

[Frankeneinstein]

The Cuban people need to be freed from US bullying and sanctions.

eliminating communism would free cubans from whatever it is that ails them...but of course communism comes before the people