GOA to Sue the ATF's Bump Stock Ban

[busybee01]

I say you are cuckoo. There is no reason to own a bump stock.

its not about your feelings

I could say there is no reason for you to be allowed to speak in public

It is a fact. A bump stock is not required to use a rifle.

Lol
Irrelevant, Fucking pieces of shit control freaks like yourselves need to shut the fuck up

Try and make me. You should be locked in a insane asylum because you are a crazy right wing nut. It is very relevant. Banning bump stocks has nothing to do with owning a weapon.

Lol
There is no reason to ban bump stocks other than political correctness… So shut the fuck up

You shut the fuck up. There is every reason to ban bump stocks and any device or modification which causes a semi-automatic to act like a automatic weapon. A 5 year minimum prison sentence should be added

 

[busybee01]

And , i am a member of both the NRA and GOA and i'll be sending GOA a Hundred bucks to fight the Bump Stock Ban today . And others should do the same !!

not going to offer a lot of support for a device designed to get around automatic weapons being illegal.

you could do what most who really care will do - use a rubber band.

under the original intent of the 2nd full auto is perfectly legal

This business about original intent is so much bullshit. Bump stocks did not exist when the founding fathers were alive so the idea they would allow it is so much bullshit. The day you create a time machine so you can go back and ask them is when you can talk about original intent.

 

[progressive hunter]

its not about your feelings

I could say there is no reason for you to be allowed to speak in public

It is a fact. A bump stock is not required to use a rifle.

Lol
Irrelevant, Fucking pieces of shit control freaks like yourselves need to shut the fuck up

Try and make me. You should be locked in a insane asylum because you are a crazy right wing nut. It is very relevant. Banning bump stocks has nothing to do with owning a weapon.

Lol
There is no reason to ban bump stocks other than political correctness… So shut the fuck up

You shut the fuck up. There is every reason to ban bump stocks and any device or modification which causes a semi-automatic to act like a automatic weapon. A 5 year minimum prison sentence should be added

why dont you shut the fck up, there is no reason to let the government use machine guns against the people while restricting them from having the same

 

[progressive hunter]

And , i am a member of both the NRA and GOA and i'll be sending GOA a Hundred bucks to fight the Bump Stock Ban today . And others should do the same !!

not going to offer a lot of support for a device designed to get around automatic weapons being illegal.

you could do what most who really care will do - use a rubber band.

under the original intent of the 2nd full auto is perfectly legal

This business about original intent is so much bullshit. Bump stocks did not exist when the founding fathers were alive so the idea they would allow it is so much bullshit. The day you create a time machine so you can go back and ask them is when you can talk about original intent.

under original intent it meant the people would be as equally armed as the government that might oppress them

 

[busybee01]

And , i am a member of both the NRA and GOA and i'll be sending GOA a Hundred bucks to fight the Bump Stock Ban today . And others should do the same !!

not going to offer a lot of support for a device designed to get around automatic weapons being illegal.

you could do what most who really care will do - use a rubber band.

under the original intent of the 2nd full auto is perfectly legal

This business about original intent is so much bullshit. Bump stocks did not exist when the founding fathers were alive so the idea they would allow it is so much bullshit. The day you create a time machine so you can go back and ask them is when you can talk about original intent.

under original intent it meant the people would be as equally armed as the government that might oppress them

Banning bump stocks is not oppressing anyone.

 

[progressive hunter]

And , i am a member of both the NRA and GOA and i'll be sending GOA a Hundred bucks to fight the Bump Stock Ban today . And others should do the same !!

not going to offer a lot of support for a device designed to get around automatic weapons being illegal.

you could do what most who really care will do - use a rubber band.

under the original intent of the 2nd full auto is perfectly legal

This business about original intent is so much bullshit. Bump stocks did not exist when the founding fathers were alive so the idea they would allow it is so much bullshit. The day you create a time machine so you can go back and ask them is when you can talk about original intent.

under original intent it meant the people would be as equally armed as the government that might oppress them

Banning bump stocks is not oppressing anyone.

thats just your opinion, its what it leads to thats the problem,,

and if its a toy like so many claim whats the problem??

I am sure you dont want a government that rules from the barrel of a gun when you cant have one,,,those republicans are some evil POS's

 

[Rustic]

its not about your feelings

I could say there is no reason for you to be allowed to speak in public

It is a fact. A bump stock is not required to use a rifle.

Lol
Irrelevant, Fucking pieces of shit control freaks like yourselves need to shut the fuck up

Try and make me. You should be locked in a insane asylum because you are a crazy right wing nut. It is very relevant. Banning bump stocks has nothing to do with owning a weapon.

Lol
There is no reason to ban bump stocks other than political correctness… So shut the fuck up

You shut the fuck up. There is every reason to ban bump stocks and any device or modification which causes a semi-automatic to act like a automatic weapon. A 5 year minimum prison sentence should be added

Lol
Na, not really
Political correctness has made you into a retard

 

[Rustic]

And , i am a member of both the NRA and GOA and i'll be sending GOA a Hundred bucks to fight the Bump Stock Ban today . And others should do the same !!

not going to offer a lot of support for a device designed to get around automatic weapons being illegal.

you could do what most who really care will do - use a rubber band.

under the original intent of the 2nd full auto is perfectly legal

This business about original intent is so much bullshit. Bump stocks did not exist when the founding fathers were alive so the idea they would allow it is so much bullshit. The day you create a time machine so you can go back and ask them is when you can talk about original intent.

under original intent it meant the people would be as equally armed as the government that might oppress them

Banning bump stocks is not oppressing anyone.

Lol
Banning bump stocks makes no sense...
So Shut the fuck up

 

[iceberg]

And , i am a member of both the NRA and GOA and i'll be sending GOA a Hundred bucks to fight the Bump Stock Ban today . And others should do the same !!

not going to offer a lot of support for a device designed to get around automatic weapons being illegal.

you could do what most who really care will do - use a rubber band.

under the original intent of the 2nd full auto is perfectly legal

This business about original intent is so much bullshit. Bump stocks did not exist when the founding fathers were alive so the idea they would allow it is so much bullshit. The day you create a time machine so you can go back and ask them is when you can talk about original intent.

under original intent it meant the people would be as equally armed as the government that might oppress them

we're getting tanks???

 

[iceberg]

And , i am a member of both the NRA and GOA and i'll be sending GOA a Hundred bucks to fight the Bump Stock Ban today . And others should do the same !!

not going to offer a lot of support for a device designed to get around automatic weapons being illegal.

you could do what most who really care will do - use a rubber band.

under the original intent of the 2nd full auto is perfectly legal

This business about original intent is so much bullshit. Bump stocks did not exist when the founding fathers were alive so the idea they would allow it is so much bullshit. The day you create a time machine so you can go back and ask them is when you can talk about original intent.

under original intent it meant the people would be as equally armed as the government that might oppress them

Banning bump stocks is not oppressing anyone.

it's not helping anything either. again, for those who just go BAN - BAM; PROBLEM SOLVED they're stupid. a freaking rubber band will do the very same thing and now this "ban" makes people want things, or something like it, for no other reason than they were told they can't have it.

human nature in as much as having to ban shit.

so tell me, what does this change for anyone who really wants to do this and what does this "ban" accomplish towards slowing down gun violence?

 

[iceberg]

And , i am a member of both the NRA and GOA and i'll be sending GOA a Hundred bucks to fight the Bump Stock Ban today . And others should do the same !!

not going to offer a lot of support for a device designed to get around automatic weapons being illegal.

you could do what most who really care will do - use a rubber band.

under the original intent of the 2nd full auto is perfectly legal

This business about original intent is so much bullshit. Bump stocks did not exist when the founding fathers were alive so the idea they would allow it is so much bullshit. The day you create a time machine so you can go back and ask them is when you can talk about original intent.

neither did cars. neither did our highways or the internet. back then it took quite some time to get a message 1000 miles. today it doesn't matter if next door or other side of the world. instant gratification.

it's really spoiled us to other things that simply *never* will be as "instant".

all we can do is put the context of what was intended then to todays environment. it was written to be a "living" document and as timeless as possible to avoid this bullshit you're trying to limit it to now so you can go "wah, i get my way, instantly...i millennial!" and regardless of how your inner-emo cries like a child, it may never be that "instant". it takes a lifetime to get through a lifetime.

how and why it was written is clearly documented in our history. maybe you should bitch less and learn more.

 

[martybegan]

No, it's to make people quit the process. Will NYPD give me 24 hour protection while I am waiting for my revolver?

The whole process is to deny a right de jure if they can't deny it de facto.

And most abortion rights people go ballistic when I use that counter, have to admit, did not expect your response.

Why do you need 24 hours protection? And what harm could a ten day wait possibly do in either case?

What if exceptions could be made? Say for medical reasons on abortions and if you can show you are in immediate danger of the handgun.

Again, to me the wait is just a way to discourage people from going through with the process.

And if someone is really angry enough to go out and buy a gun and use it right away, one can easily get an illegal one.

I'm not so sure about that. I wouldn't know where to get an illegal gun. Would you? Really?

Every bar in NYC has a bookie, and that is usually your gateway to other nefarious individuals.

So you assume you could, but you don't really know.

How does a person find a weed guy?

The market is out there, you just need an "in"

 

[iceberg]

Why do you need 24 hours protection? And what harm could a ten day wait possibly do in either case?

What if exceptions could be made? Say for medical reasons on abortions and if you can show you are in immediate danger of the handgun.

Again, to me the wait is just a way to discourage people from going through with the process.

And if someone is really angry enough to go out and buy a gun and use it right away, one can easily get an illegal one.

I'm not so sure about that. I wouldn't know where to get an illegal gun. Would you? Really?

Every bar in NYC has a bookie, and that is usually your gateway to other nefarious individuals.

So you assume you could, but you don't really know.

How does a person find a weed guy?

The market is out there, you just need an "in"

it's a lot easier these days.

from what i hear.

 

[martybegan]

I'm not totally sure which way you mean that.

Funny thing is your statement is so correct it will work either way.

I'm ok with nothing. I am ok with private gun ownership, but if we can't put some reasonable regulations in place then we will just have to do without.

NYC makes me wait 3-6 months and pay around $500 in fees just to keep a revolver in my own apartment legally.

How reasonable is that?

The fees are a bit restrictive, but the wait makes no difference as far as I'm concerned.

On the other end of things here in kansas I can walk into a pawn shop, sign the papers, and walk out concealed carrying with no phone or fees required. I can also have a compete arsenal in my basement. Again no permits or fees.

Some middle ground is needed.

Why is the wait not an issue? What are they waiting for? The whole purpose isn't to do a check, its to make the process so onerous people just quit.

How about we put a 10 day waiting period on abortions?

This is ignorant, wrong, and fails as a false comparison fallacy.

Laws regulating the right to privacy and laws regulating the right to possess a firearm are subject to different levels of judicial review.

That doesn't answer my question, as usual.

 

[Flash]

A journey of a thousand bans begins with but a single step Comrade.

If it was a gun they were banning, I'd be upset.

But is just a needless accessory. ....

I have no interest in bump stocks. I have used them before and they are nothing more than silly range toy.

However, two things I don't like about the ban:

There are hundreds of thousands of bump stocks in this country and the idiot oppressive government has banned them because one person used them in crime. Despicable!

The Constitution says very clearly that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Bans and restrictions on arms, even bump stocks, is a clear violation of the law.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

WHERE'S THE NRA???

The NRA supports gun control and they will endorse Trump's decision to sign Nancy Pelosi's bill to create a Universal Background Check (which, in turn, requires National Gun Registration in order to enforce.) Trump is on record as being willing to sign legislation outlawing so - called assault weapons and he supports waiting periods.

When you study politics, it is like watching World Wrestling Entertainment. Trump looks like he kicked ass on that nutty wall idea, but he will cave on gun control (he proved that with the bump stock ban.)

Having built a government so big and intrusive that it cannot be resisted, the gun owners will cave and turn in or destroy their firearms by the millions. Most of them will realize that if they bury their weapons, it won't be worth a tinker's damn to them if they really need it. And, since the creation of the wall will also finance an army of federal machine gun toting mercenaries with eyes in the sky (armed drones) the sheeple will not dare stand firm for their Rights.

They will accept the Universal Background Check, followed by registration, then the criminalization of private party gun sales and then high capacity magazine bans, "evil" features and finally confiscation. The fix is in and the sheeple fell for it - hook, line, and sinker.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

A journey of a thousand bans begins with but a single step Comrade.

If it was a gun they were banning, I'd be upset.

But is just a needless accessory. ....

I have no interest in bump stocks. I have used them before and they are nothing more than silly range toy.

However, two things I don't like about the ban:

There are hundreds of thousands of bump stocks in this country and the idiot oppressive government has banned them because one person used them in crime. Despicable!

The Constitution says very clearly that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Bans and restrictions on arms, even bump stocks, is a clear violation of the law.

You forgot the most important reasons:

1) Bump stocks had already been evaluated and found to be in compliance with federal law

2) Owners now must destroy something that they paid for and the government is not offering to reimburse them for their purchase of a legal product. That is unconstitutional.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

A journey of a thousand bans begins with but a single step Comrade.

If it was a gun they were banning, I'd be upset.

But is just a needless accessory. ....

When are my Rights based upon what you think I need?

 

[Crepitus]

Why do you need 24 hours protection? And what harm could a ten day wait possibly do in either case?

What if exceptions could be made? Say for medical reasons on abortions and if you can show you are in immediate danger of the handgun.

Again, to me the wait is just a way to discourage people from going through with the process.

And if someone is really angry enough to go out and buy a gun and use it right away, one can easily get an illegal one.

I'm not so sure about that. I wouldn't know where to get an illegal gun. Would you? Really?

Every bar in NYC has a bookie, and that is usually your gateway to other nefarious individuals.

So you assume you could, but you don't really know.

How does a person find a weed guy?

The market is out there, you just need an "in"

Lol, I think just about everyone knows a "weed guy" or knows someone who does. But you are just assuming that leads to somebody who will sell you a gun, and while I'm sure it can sometimes I highly doubt it does all the time.

 

[martybegan]

Again, to me the wait is just a way to discourage people from going through with the process.

And if someone is really angry enough to go out and buy a gun and use it right away, one can easily get an illegal one.

I'm not so sure about that. I wouldn't know where to get an illegal gun. Would you? Really?

Every bar in NYC has a bookie, and that is usually your gateway to other nefarious individuals.

So you assume you could, but you don't really know.

How does a person find a weed guy?

The market is out there, you just need an "in"

Lol, I think just about everyone knows a "weed guy" or knows someone who does. But you are just assuming that leads to somebody who will sell you a gun, and while I'm sure it can sometimes I highly doubt it does all the time.

Fine, then you go to your bookie, or to the guy who sells sports gear out of his trunk (growing up it was "Tough Tony", he was a fence for the "family" that worked JFK).

Again, if you were really really that pissed, you could find an illegal gun.